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Originally Posted by Libertine
You are defending the rights of "potential". Now, sperm cells and egg cells have "potential". Using condoms, you destroy that "potential". After all, without condoms, all other things being equal, a woman might get pregnant from sex. And yes, this potential is unique and the beginning of life as well, and yes, all of us were this kind of potential once as well.
See how your arguments make using condoms "wrong" as well? Clearly, there must be something wrong with those arguments.
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I addressed this already. A sperm is not a human life nor is an egg. Only the union of a sperm and an egg begin the human life cycle. What you call potential is merely a human in it's earliest stage of development.
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The cycle of life is NOT a moral concept. Yes, there is something that could be described as "the cycle of life", but it is simple biology. Nothing moral or spiritual about it.
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I agree totally. There is no need or room for spirituality in the discussion. Religious folk need not apply.
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Now, about miscarriages, my point there is that they are not as tragic as an actual person dying, since an actual person has a higher moral value than an embryo. The analogy here is that if abortion is "killing a child", then a miscarriage is "a child dying" - and no, that analogy does not work, because an embryo isn't a child yet.
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I'll take your word for that. I've never had a miscarriage and don't know what it's like. Many ppl are very distraught over having experienced a miscarriage.
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As for endangered species dying... we're talking about risking an entire species there. We don't protect those eggs because of the intrinsic value of those eggs (if they were chicken eggs, they'd be an omelette), but because destroying those eggs could contribute to the entire species disappearing forever. Little risk of that happening with humans, now is there?
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Correct, but the point stands that the egg is the bird and that's why we protect it. Without the former you cannot have the latter. It's the bird cycle of life. You can't have the butterfly without the caterpillar, or the frog without the tadpole.