Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

There are people doing it with good content, tons of updates, and doing everything to make members happy. But those people are few and far between, and their programs don't pay and can't pay nearly as much as others.

I'm not taking a side on this issue, just stating what direction the industry is going. There are very few new programs that are succesful that are opening up without a form of PPS. If you take a look at these new sites, they are almost all just 10-20 movies, a bonus network, and a shitload of upsells.

And you have to look at surfers too, which have gotten not only smarter, but more options. Members don't need to sit and wait a week for the newest update, they can just sign up for a new site and get a whole new batch of content. This isn't the old days where there was maybe 1 or 2 sites that focused on a niche like footjobs, now you have 30-40.

Lets face it, unless you're a micro niche with little competition, a unique site that has something exclusive (such as a hot solo girl), you aren't going to get much for rebills. The only rebills you are going to get are those who forget to cancel.

So before you point the finger at me, I'm not taking a side. I'm just saying what is happening. You took a shot at Epic for their sites quality, I'm saying that you can take a shot at almost every new sponsor on the market. Just sign up for a few and see what I mean. There are too many sites, too much free porn, and too many options for surfers to sit and rebill. It's outdated and companies have adjusted.