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There are approx 11,500 deaths by firearms each year in the US - many times more than all other recorded countries in total. (The data on this is widely recorded.) On child deaths alone, there are approx 3500 for a country that, for example, has a population twice that of Japan. How many child deaths occur in Japan as a result of firearms each year? None.
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I would love to see your source where there are more deaths due to firearms in the US verus the whole world. Please provide it.
You seem to sidetrack
again that the rest of the world's countries are not GUN CULTURES. Why do you try to argue a point about the lower suicide rates of the USA (Gun Culture), versus one that does not (Japan)?
But arguments can be structured any way.
The
National Safety Council put out this report:
The chances in my lifetime living in the United States of dying...
Assault with Firearm 1 in 222
Passenger in a car 1 in 237
My chances go up surviving an assault with a firearm, as I am armed, but does not changed with riding in a car. Let's ban cars!
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Sure... keep hearing the arguement that a gun does not fire itself - people fire them. Following that thread, it suggests an element of people, at some time or other don't need to be in possession of firearms - they are out of control.
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You are relying on the lowest common denominator that people are idiots. I conceede that there are those that can be looked at such, but your generalization is akin to racism, as it broadly paints that all Americans who legally own firearms can be looked down as an idiot.
It is responsiblity, plain and simple.
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Agree totally that parents bear a responsibilty - they are often the first in the firing line for condemnation when an incident occurs. However anyone, whether a child or otherwise, can obtain a weapon if they so wish - and for whatever legitimate or otherwise purpose. Bottom line - live with a gun culture and pay the price - tho under these circumstances there can also be more positive results in the fact that a gun is a method of protection. It's almost a vicious circle.
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Excellent point, I cannot argue this.
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If it is elected to have a gun culture - a society does pay a price for that. It's a very simple issue. No person on this planet can be assured of being "responsible" in the handling of weapons thru the timescale they may possess a weapon. Florida is no different to anywhere else. There is every chance a school shooting can happen in Florida - just wait a few weeks.
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You almost had a point here about a gun culture...
How do you explain this then? Canada does not have a gun culture, and it is illegal to own certain weapons, and heavily tracked.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americ....ap/index.html
Florida is different, and if you bothered to look at stats for the state you would know that crime is down, assaults and rapes are down, to coincided funny enough with Concealed Weapons Permits.
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Another indicator of assessibility of guns to children - one survey of around 3000 children across the US resulted in findings that 60ish percent could access a weapon in a short time if they so wished. This suggests there is a core underlying problem??
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Please provide link to data. A survey does not take into account of actual accesablity. My kids can say they can get to a gun rather quickly.
If I unlock my safe, and give it to them.
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Overall.. if folks have guns, they may use them - for whatever purpose. In a way it's like purveying the concept of "national security" when, in reality, it will not stop any determined attacker.
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Absolutely. As 9/11/2001 has shown, that if someone wants to kill people, they will find a way.
One of the best debates on Guns Pro/Con I've had on GFY ever. Thank you!