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Originally Posted by dunefield
Well considering you treat BJJ as some kind of Oracle of martial arts every BJJ expert should win... Why didn't Nog submit Barnett? If anyone was close to the submission it was the knee bar at the end...
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It is, or we wouldn't have the Martial Arts World we have now. You throw out red herrings, but won't answer the question.
If the Gracies did not start the UFC, would you still be doing katas thinking that TKD guys could kick ass?
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Plus whats wrong with Wrestling, Sambo or Judo? Those arts deal with submissions as well... Times have evolved and it's pretty much under one header of GRAPPLING in general now... I'm sorry but your nuthugging BJJ love has clouded up your vision...
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I'm trying really hard not to call you an idiot. Where have I said that Wrestling Sambo or Judo sucked? Stop being an idiot. You can't post without throwing out red herrings.
To get it correct, it's called "Submission Wrestling" now.
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But if you wanna keep looking back at UFC 1-5 thats fine... I'll look back further and remember a certain Judo expert armbarring Helio... After all BJJ is god gift to martial arts right? 
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BJJ was. MMA has evolved past it now, and it now is an integral part of MMA training.
You suck at debates. You can't stay on your own tangents and are everywhere with false accusations and red herrings.