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Originally Posted by JMM
There aren't a lot of intelligent people in this business so it isn't that easy to have an intelligent business discussion. However, Mutt, you are one of the intelligent ones, so I will respond.
I said earlier we took a girls sets off of one of our sites at her request. When we shot the girl, she was 18 and stupid. Most of them are 18 and stupid when they shoot. We paid her $500 for the shoot, we made that back in a couple of days. Fast forward 4 years. The girl is 22 and has just completed 2 years of training to become an EMT with the county fire department. 3 weeks before her graduation someone at the department stumbles across her sets. She is told point blank, if the pictures dont come down, you are out. Are you HONESTLY telling me that you would tell this girl to go fuck herself? Of course you wouldn't. And to be 100% honest, I would not want to know or do business with ANYONE that would tell her to go fuck herself in this situation. That is just my opinion.
Another case. Just recently, here in Austin, some FINE ART NUDES of a teacher were discovered on the net. There was nothing pornographic about them. This woman, who dedicated her life to teaching, will NEVER teach again. A little different situation of course, but it pretty much fucked up her life.
Those are just two examples. We could sit here all day and come up with a few hundred hypothetical scenarios. A website IS different than a magazine or a DVD. Magazines and DVD's have limited runs and limited lives. Sure, they hang around a long time in someones basement or under the mattress, but for the most part, they are on the stand for a month and then they are all but forgotten until they appear again 6 years later in a plastic wrapped 3 pack at the 7-11. Websites are NOW. As long as they are up, they will always be NOW. It is a big difference.
If a model came to me tomorrow and wanted to get out of her site, I would do everything I could to come up with a compromise where all parties, me, her, and the affiliates, are not harmed. I wouldn't simply have a blanket policy of NO. There are several things that can be done that wouldn't hurt my business or the affiliates. If it turned out that was not the case, well then the answer might very well be, I'm sorry, but NO.
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first - i agree that magazines are different than websites - and girls know that - if we only were recruiting for magazines it would be a field day. the difference between a DVD and a website - not much these days, girls who go shoot for an LA porn shooter are going to everywhere on the Net - potentially alot more exposure than a solo girl site model.
You're right that the hypotheticals are endlesss BUT they are important because each girl and situation is different and since you have taken a different stance than ninavain and most others in the niche I know would take i'd like to know in what situations you would do otherwise than a straight 'no i'm sorry'. let's forget about girls just shot for content - there isn't a huge dilemma here - there are no affiliates involved, there is no website - just content sets you are licensing - to remove them costs you a modest loss of income - 1000 dollars at most. Not hard to be the good guy in this situation.
let's take a more difficult example based on what this thread is about - solo girl sites. you shoot a 19 year old model for a solo site - the girl is not stupid, she is informed that she is being shot for the purpose of a solo girl site(yes there are shooters who hide that from girls and that is not fair), you pay her well and shoot enough content for a solo girl site. You launch the site, affiliates are promoting the site, and the site is doing very well - making you and the affiliates lots of money. 6 months later or in the case you present 2 years later you get a frantic email/phonecall from the model that she has is going through to become an EMT or police officer or something like that and she will lose her job if her website is discovered. The website is making you and affiliates over 6 figures a year - could even be 7 figures - what do you do then? Easy to remove 5 or 10 sets from a content store or from a members area of a multimodel site - of course I'd do that for a girl if her story was legit. But this case is much different - you talk about compromises - what compromises can you make in this situation? She's told you there really are no compromises - her site either comes down immediately so that nobody from the EMT department can see it or she is at risk of getting kicked out. Affiliates are going to be pissed off - the fallout is going to hurt your program's reputation - and the financial loss major. The compromises I can think of in this situation - GeoIP protecting the site from her hometown(we are doing this) is far from perfect. Another compromise could be 'In order to shut down your site without doing damage to my business I need to keep the site up for six more months' - this also doesn't help her much - they can find the site within those six months. There really is no compromise in this case - you either take a HUGE hit for this girl or you don't.
Are you shutting down her site so she can become an EMT?
And a good question to ask yourself is from what you know of the girl's character would she do the same for you if the tables were turned?