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Originally Posted by Webby
It has little to do with Hamas, rocket attacks or much more stories purveyed by eg US media. Hamas and rocket attacks are the end result of oppression and aggression over decades.
Use a current example... since when was it ever rational to bomb the offices of an elected leader - continue with further offensive, killing mainly civilians, - women and children, - set up naval blockades, bomb infrastructre including roads, bridges and airports - all on the alleged "excuse" of a few Israeli soldiers??? DUH???
There is no longer any justification for claims of "defense" - this has been consistant agression and oppression for decades.
Bottom line... kill my family and destroy my home and I will destroy you. There is a choice.
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you are outlining the true problem... peoples ability to rationalize ANYONES behavior and rendering it down to simple issues of right and wrong and asymetrical behaviors. but its not really that simple and you are not on to anything new. the fact is that no argument you can make can be made without a counter argument... hence, the conflict with no hope of resolution. luckily, the GFY braintrust has all the answers and hopefully these threads will be e-mailed to the UN, Hamas and Israeli Parliment.
arguing and debating an issue like this with the logic and reasoning that demands there be a right and wrong is a losing debate... its been done in the region for a few millenia already.
to answer your questions... (i personally don't care how many israelis or palestinians get killed or why) --- Israels tactic has been simple ... to make the costs of supporting terrorism, funding terrorism and committing terrorist acts outweigh the benefit. Israel is surrounded by people that want to see them all wiped off the map, by countries that today, that refuse to acknowledge their existence as a state. and by statese that fund terrorist groups whos principle existence is centered on fundamental ideas like killing all jews, driving them out of Israel etc etc.
the problem is complex and trying to argue that its final resolution can be found in simply doing "x,y,z" as you and others are doing is like watching a pack of third graders trying to debate better ways to put a space station into orbit around mars.
its fortuneate that Israel used your logic when they were surrounded on all sides and attacked by their neighbors.