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Old 06-24-2006, 12:48 PM  
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Wow!! Very convincing argument.. except for the fact that Drake and Seti are the biggest UFO skeptics you'll ever hear... You know, even the president of any skeptic association doesnt disagree with Drake...? They all believe that alien life is a possibility... Does that add to their credibility?
Yes, it does add to their credibility that they keep all options open, rather than wildly speculating about all sorts of things (like MJ12, PI40, organizations shooting down UFOs to steal their technology, etc.).

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yeah, easy to discredit anything based on generalisations like that... "misinterprations", "insanity" , etc.... Remember about Intellectual rigour? Nevermind the details... the motto of true Skeptics
What exactly do you mean by "intellectual rigour"? To me, it means considering all options, investigating them, and then practicing inference to the best explanation, all the while accepting that the best explanation may prove to be wrong later on.

Now, intellectual rigour leads me to the following line of reasoning:

1. I have seen plenty of proof that there are shitloads of people who claim truly absurd things, that have proven to be completely erroneous.
2. Therefore, I will not accept a claim that seems truly absurd in the context of my entire body of knowledge, based on mere claims by a relatively small group of people.
3. I will only change my current views on such absurd claims when presented either with compelling evidence, or statements from a very large body of people whose observations I trust.
4. UFO theory is truly absurd, considering such things as the Drake Equation, the idea of alien life so advanced it can travel across the universe yet so simplistic it can not cloak itself or observe earth from a distance, large numbers of people successfully keeping such essential knowledge from the public, etc.
5. Therefore, I will not believe UFO theory unless presented with compelling evidence or testimonies from a very large number of trustworthy people.

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As for world religions... Those 400 whistleblowers didnt lived 2000 years ago... I think that makes them more reliable.. Small detail right?
There are millions of people alive today, many of them professors and scientists, who truly believe they speak with God on a daily basis.
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