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Originally Posted by Lenny2
Your butterfly guard isn't going to keep me from grabbing your hair and slamming your head into the pavement, or jamming my thumb in your eye, or biting your ear off.
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Ahh, the voice of inexperience speaks! If you're in a good guard, and you reach forward to grab hair, you're going to end up in an armbar everytime. Same goes for finger in the eye. Arms that far forward is bad period. If your mouth could reach somebody's ear in the guard, you're going to get sweapt. Off center, no posture. Day 1 stuff.
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Originally Posted by Lenny2
I'm not interested in being the UFC champion, I'm interested in surviving if I'm attacked in an alley by 2 thugs with lead pipes. You go ahead and put the first guy into an armbar while the 2nd guy bashes your head in.
Maybe you'll get him to tap out before your brains start leaking onto the pavement. 
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It doesn't matter what kind of hobby martial artist you are, your chances against two guys with weapons are low period.
