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Originally Posted by 12clicks
Jay,
what's going on with leaks has got to stop. its not whistle blowing, its undermining the government. We were listening to terrorist phone calls right up until it was leaked. people who leak classified info should be thrown in jail be they republican or democrat.
as far as the rights we've lost, we've lost nothing
"the right to be notified of a search" does not exist. "the right to protection against unreasonable searches and seizures" does.
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I completely agree that if classify info is leaked, whoever leaks it has to go to jail. Same applies to the Valerie Plame situation.
As for the "rights", if you limit your search for rights from the bill of rights being undermined by the patriot act, you'll have an easier time defending the patriot act, but "sneak and peaks", seizures without notification, secret prisons etc are limitations on your freedoms/protections. If the government doesn't abuse of its powers then there's no problem, but with such broad legislation, who's to say a Democrat president won't abuse the act and go after his political enemies for example?
I know you don't want to talk "what ifs", and it's fair enough. I'm just saying the potential for abuse is there, and that's why in my opinion, rights or freedoms or whatever you want to call it can be attacked by it.