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Old 08-02-2017, 06:02 PM   #1
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Finally, a tube built for our industry

Hey Guys,

About 13 months ago I started searching for a Porn Tube website where I could promote my affiliate programs.

I needed somewhere I could just send my social media traffic (Reddit, Twitter, Facebook, etc) too, and get visitors to watch my promo videos and have the option to click on my banners with my links. (Landing Page)

After searching if their where such a Tube Website that would allow you to post your own Promo videos and post your own banners with affiliate links, I would soon begin looking for an alternative as it was virtually impossible to find such a website.

The reason was that no Tube Website was offering these options, you couldn't just upload a promo video and own the Advertisement space around that video.

That's because that's how tube websites make money, you upload videos, they make money from the ads on your videos. It's that simple.

I saw that there was something that was missing from our industry and so I took it upon myself to create a (possibly the first of its kind) Porn Tube website which I believe has been built for people in our Industry.

Finally a Tube where the user owns the ad space on their videos, A Tube where we can send traffic to our affiliate links, and not to The Tubes bank accounts.

This is the Ad Space that can be used when using our Tube Site -

On all your videos and images you get to place -

[Note: All jpg, gif and png banners will have your affiliate link embeded]
2 NTV 315X300 Ads no right hand side of your videos. (Desktop) [iframe, jpg, gif, png]
1 Text link above your videos (Desktop) [80 Characters Including Spaces]
1 300X100 above your videos (Mobile) [iframe, jpg, gif, png]
1 770X76 Banner below your videos (Desktop, Mobile) [jpg, gif, png]

And also you get -

[Optional] Pop Unders on your videos, when visitors press play on your video, the video will be opened in a new tab and begin playing, and the existing tab will redirect to the affiliate link

[Optional] Player click advertising , when user clicks pause, a new tab is opened with your affiliate link. (Only works on first pause, and only on Desktop)

Also you can embed your videos on other websites/blogs/etc, when someone clicks on the video to pause they will be redirected to your actual video with your ads.

Our Tube is 100% FREE to use, no bull shit.

Finally this is the part your probably waiting for, what is the website.

The website is pornrabid dot com

If you would like to join and promote your own promos and links, leave your Skype Details below and I will make it happen.

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And how do you monetize this?

These are all blocked with adblock pro

/ads2.contentabc.com/ads?spot_id=2826667&rand=1291nww3cvk0&ata=PORNRABI D[/url]
http://ads2.contentabc.com/ads?spot_...&ata=PORNRABID
/www.pornrabid.com/admin/images/Advertisements/Family%20Strokes/3%20Side%20Video%20Ads/Family%20Strokes11.jpg[/url]
/www.pornrabid.com/admin/images/Advertisements/Family%20Strokes/3%20Side%20Video%20Ads/Family%20Strokes5.gif[/url]
/stats.g.doubleclick.net/r/collect?v=1&aip=1&t=dc&_r=3&tid=UA-82070236-1&cid=1803385228.1501771530&jid=1073005167&_gid=10 93465905.1501771530&gjid=442051764&_v=j56&z=112452 6890[/url]

Right idea wrong plan
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Old 08-03-2017, 09:22 AM   #3
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And how do you monetize this?

These are all blocked with adblock pro

/ads2.contentabc.com/ads?spot_id=2826667&rand=1291nww3cvk0&ata=PORNRABI D[/url]
http://ads2.contentabc.com/ads?spot_...&ata=PORNRABID
/www.pornrabid.com/admin/images/Advertisements/Family%20Strokes/3%20Side%20Video%20Ads/Family%20Strokes11.jpg[/url]
/www.pornrabid.com/admin/images/Advertisements/Family%20Strokes/3%20Side%20Video%20Ads/Family%20Strokes5.gif[/url]
/stats.g.doubleclick.net/r/collect?v=1&aip=1&t=dc&_r=3&tid=UA-82070236-1&cid=1803385228.1501771530&jid=1073005167&_gid=10 93465905.1501771530&gjid=442051764&_v=j56&z=112452 6890[/url]

Right idea wrong plan
I respect your criticism , this is something which was definately over looked, as with every road block, their is a way around this. I will have this dealt with asap, if you would like, please share what your approach would be to deal with ad blockers. what is the right plan.
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Old 08-03-2017, 10:55 AM   #4
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Just a quick g search https://blockadblock.com/blockadblock_basic_script.php

For sure there are scripts for anti ad blocks.
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way too generic to make monies with it on smaller scale traffic
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Old 08-03-2017, 02:38 PM   #6
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way too generic to make monies with it on smaller scale traffic
For me it's not about me making money, I did not create this Tube purely for the money, I created it to benefit our industry, believe me I would have quit along time ago if that where the case , and generic, its a tube site, not targeting any specific niche or anything. Anything legal goes.
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**** How Marketers Can Adapt to These Changes ****
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So how do we apply these post-digital age changes to advertising and marketing?
Goodwin said that we need to think about the future of marketing beyond digital
– and that the lines are blurring between different types of content.
“We need to think about these blurred lines,” he said, “like the difference
between content and advertising, the difference between editorial and
advertorial, the difference between a TV and a phone, the difference between
movies and TV. Everything is blurring. We can either be quite scared about that
or we can think about that as a huge opportunity.”
We face some huge challenges and problems in advertising, problems that Goodwin
says should really be viewed as opportunities. Ad blocking, for example.
“As an industry, we’ve done a terrible job of dealing with this,” Goodwin
observed, “I think it’s an incredibly exciting opportunity. If people are
blocking ads, how do we provide them with content people want to see?”

This is where content marketing comes in, feels Goodwin:
“In an environment where people need information they trust, in an environment
where people are trying to get rid of stuff that is superfluous to their needs,
in an environment where we have this very rich, personal data, where we know
how people are behaving, and where we know what people want, I think this is
where the opportunity of content marketing lies.”

Tom Goodwin at #ThinkContent London Summit.
https://insights.newscred.com/techno...ting-strategy/


Do some reading on how adblockers work heuristically ...
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target ad blocker users

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For me it's not about me making money, I did not create this Tube purely for the money, I created it to benefit our industry, believe me I would have quit along time ago if that where the case , and generic, its a tube site, not targeting any specific niche or anything. Anything legal goes.

Is there a way to identify visitors using ad blockers and if yes what is it?
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Is there a way to identify visitors using ad blockers and if yes what is it?
Not sure if their is a way to identify them at this stage, but I am keen to find a way to get around ad blockers.
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to get around you must first identify

After you identify that there is an ad blocker you can decide how to deal with it.

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if add blocker
content

if! add blocker
content

seems pretty simple after you identify that there is an ad blocker.
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What are you going to do when you ''identify them?'' Shoot them

Retaliation is a lose-lose scenario. Best thing to do is to serve local (from your server) ads and links that will not be blocked.

There are lots of JavaScript adblocker detectors, you just have to modify to cloak them and then dynamically serve the right content. Use a search engine.

Or, just have some content that they will see that you will profit from -- that is the easiest solution.
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What are you going to do when you ''identify them?'' Shoot them

Retaliation is a lose-lose scenario. Best thing to do is to serve local (from your server) ads and links that will not be blocked.

There are lots of JavaScript adblocker detectors, you just have to modify to cloak them and then dynamically serve the right content. Use a search engine.

Or, just have some content that they will see that you will profit from -- that is the easiest solution.
exactly what you said.
once identified you serve other ads.
preferable from your own site.
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there's some issues with this that you might not have considered:

1. It's very, very illegal to provide a platform where anonymous people can profit off of stolen content. So you need to know who people are and have their tax info and shit before you can allow them to profit off of ad space on your website. Then you need to have a DMCA system and a repeat offender policy and all of that shit in place.

2. It's very, very dangerous to allow users to put their own ad codes in your website. They could put whatever they want--malware, child porn, etc. Stuff that could actually get you in legal trouble. So you need some solution to constantly monitor all the ad codes being used. (seems nicer to just let exoclick do that for you, right?)

Realistically, every tubesite is already doing what you're doing. It's called "content partnership programs". But because of the reasons above, they're way more restrictive than what you're talking about--content partners have to be approved and prove they actually own/produce content, and the only advertising space they get is a text link and a pre-approved banner back to their content.

It's commendable what you're trying to do but it probably needs some more thought
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there's some issues with this that you might not have considered:

1. It's very, very illegal to provide a platform where anonymous people can profit off of stolen content. So you need to know who people are and have their tax info and shit before you can allow them to profit off of ad space on your website. Then you need to have a DMCA system and a repeat offender policy and all of that shit in place.

2. It's very, very dangerous to allow users to put their own ad codes in your website. They could put whatever they want--malware, child porn, etc. Stuff that could actually get you in legal trouble. So you need some solution to constantly monitor all the ad codes being used. (seems nicer to just let exoclick do that for you, right?)

Realistically, every tubesite is already doing what you're doing. It's called "content partnership programs". But because of the reasons above, they're way more restrictive than what you're talking about--content partners have to be approved and prove they actually own/produce content, and the only advertising space they get is a text link and a pre-approved banner back to their content.

It's commendable what you're trying to do but it probably needs some more thought
Thanks for the input, will definately take into consideration.
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1. It's very, very illegal to provide a platform where anonymous people can profit off of stolen content. So you need to know who people are and have their tax info and shit before you can allow them to profit off of ad space on your website.
Hi wankawonk.

Very good post. I agree that OP's setup is really problematic.

But I'm unclear about this point... Is it indeed "very, very illegal" if the anonymous uploader assumes/claims the banner ad spots by inserting his own affiliate code?

I could see that if the website owner was paying the uploader directly for posting the stolen content... yeah, sure. Illegal as fuck. And if the website owner is paying the uploader directly, then yeah, he'd need tax info, etc.

But in the OP's case, it's somewhat like a Free Host arrangement. OP is hosting the video and the banner ads for free. All the monetary agreements are actually between the uploader and his own sponsor(s). So I don't see why OP would need to be involved with that.

Am I mistaken?

Having said that... if OP aims to proceed, he'd better have a quick and easy DMCA/removal process or he's going to have problems with his own web host.
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But in the OP's case, it's somewhat like a Free Host arrangement. OP is hosting the video and the banner ads for free. All the monetary agreements are actually between the uploader and his own sponsor(s). So I don't see why OP would need to be involved with that.
Precisely, it is like free hosting, literally all we do is set your banner ads up and insert your affiliate links, you (The User) upload the video, so what we are aiming to be is a Tube website where marketers can host there videos and send traffic to their Sponsors Landing Page.
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It depends on the copyright laws with respect to safe harbor. If you are in the USA if you honor DMCA take down requests -- you are probably in the same place as Twitter or Facebook with respect to safe harbor.

*not offered as legal advice.
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It's complicated but, normally how a tube site works is, some anonymous rando (whose info you don't have) uploads a vid to your site. If it's a copyright violation and it gets reported, as long as you remove the video, you get DMCA safe harbor.

the problem happens if you *incentivized* the anonymous rando to upload the video (ie by offering them ad space or money). Your DMCA safe harbor could break down because you're offering the person an economic incentive to break the law, and then not doing your due diligence to make sure that everyone you're offering this incentive to is on the up-and-up.

In the end it's all about "good faith due diligence"; if you ever end up in a court, you need to be able to convince a judge that you payed attention to DMCA and tried to follow the law. If they found out you payed anonymous people (or gave 'em ad space) without checking what they uploaded, and then they uploaded copyright-protected stuff, the judge would be likely to think you didn't do your due diligence.
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Twitter, et. al allows you to upload videos and link to websites -- what makes them so special? Other than it is not adult content.

https://support.twitter.com/articles/15795#

I would study their CYA Policies (cover your ass) -- they have a pretty good legal in house staff.
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And how do you monetize this?

These are all blocked with adblock pro

/ads2.contentabc.com/ads?spot_id=2826667&rand=1291nww3cvk0&ata=PORNRABI D[/url]
http://ads2.contentabc.com/ads?spot_...&ata=PORNRABID
/www.pornrabid.com/admin/images/Advertisements/Family%20Strokes/3%20Side%20Video%20Ads/Family%20Strokes11.jpg[/url]
/www.pornrabid.com/admin/images/Advertisements/Family%20Strokes/3%20Side%20Video%20Ads/Family%20Strokes5.gif[/url]
/stats.g.doubleclick.net/r/collect?v=1&aip=1&t=dc&_r=3&tid=UA-82070236-1&cid=1803385228.1501771530&jid=1073005167&_gid=10 93465905.1501771530&gjid=442051764&_v=j56&z=112452 6890[/url]

Right idea wrong plan
I found a workaround, a working example is here - Rachel Starr and Van Wylde - Dirty Wives Club [Naughty America]

I can now run ads with affiliate links without the adblock issue, if anyone would like to give what we are offering a go please feel free to express your interest below.
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ad blocking is not good

thought some of you might find this interesting.
Yahoo Mail Blocks Users Who Run Ad Blockers | Fortune.com
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You ever hear of youtube?
Are you aware of the legal process required by a 3rd party to notify you of copyright-protected stuff on your site? If they do not notify you properly, there is nothing they can do about it. If there was Youtube would be out of business.

This 'stuff' is uploaded to youtube constantly. Youtube has *incentivized* people to upload. Yes, you can get paid for uploading content to youtube. Of course youtube catches you doing anything, youtube does not want done, youtube will remove your content and when you repeat remove your account. Etc Etc.

I think this is a GREAT idea. With it comes some responsibility to protect yourself. Like wearing a seat belt. Driving you car is more dangerous than operating this website.

Legal notice must be given by a 3rd party that you are using their stuff. Email is not legal notice, a phone call is not legal notice, neither is a letter in the mail. However, I would make sure I checked my email, answered the phone and read all my snail mail, just to keep the legal fees down.
Personally, if it is not certified mail or a process server sends it to me. I pretty much ignore it as legal notice.

Nothing I have read in this thread would lead me to think that this is not a great idea.

The point is keep up the good work on this awesome site.

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You ever hear of youtube?
Are you aware of the legal process required by a 3rd party to notify you of copyright-protected stuff on your site? If they do not notify you properly, there is nothing they can do about it. If there was Youtube would be out of business.

This 'stuff' is uploaded to youtube constantly. Youtube has *incentivized* people to upload. Yes, you can get paid for uploading content to youtube. Of course youtube catches you doing anything, youtube does not want done, youtube will remove your content and when you repeat remove your account. Etc Etc.

I think this is a GREAT idea. With it comes some responsibility to protect yourself. Like wearing a seat belt. Driving you car is more dangerous than operating this website.

Legal notice must be given by a 3rd party that you are using their stuff. Email is not legal notice, a phone call is not legal notice, neither is a letter in the mail. However, I would make sure I checked my email, answered the phone and read all my snail mail, just to keep the legal fees down.
Personally, if it is not certified mail or a process server sends it to me. I pretty much ignore it as legal notice.

Nothing I have read in this thread would lead me to think that this is not a great idea.

The point is keep up the good work on this awesome site.

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Thanks for the feedback. I am in the process of getting my legal stuff in order, so I have that added layer of protection as you mentioned.
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For me it's not about me making money, I did not create this Tube purely for the money, I created it to benefit our industry, believe me I would have quit along time ago if that where the case , and generic, its a tube site, not targeting any specific niche or anything. Anything legal goes.
I like you spirit.
I also build site for the pleasure to create something and I always try to do it surfer friendly and in the legal affiliate way.
Could you hit me on PM to discuss about our way to see the adult business compared to the greedy way?
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@gotonudecom to answer your question about AdBlock, yes it is possible.

You can check with JavaScript if the object available in the page, if not, tell the user to enable ads. It will save money on traffic.

ex.

````
<script>
// The code that they give you to load their ads
var mAdsProvider = ....
mAdsProvider.load()

// Your code
if !window.mAdsProvider.didLoad() {
alert('AdBlock is active')
} else {
window.loadAllTheVideosNow()
}
</script>
````

Other than that:
* Some AdBlock software does not work on iFrame
* Some tube sites proxy ads from their server (ex. iframes) , and blocking the ads will block the tube's content.
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You have to look at what I want (and you are intentionally blocking) or go away!

Most of the site's visitors using ad blockers will just leave.

If your competitor is smart, he will be able to show unblocked ads, that are first-party, to the views you turn away.
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I like you spirit.
I also build site for the pleasure to create something and I always try to do it surfer friendly and in the legal affiliate way.
Could you hit me on PM to discuss about our way to see the adult business compared to the greedy way?
Hey Fred, just sent you a ICQ request
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Old 10-02-2017, 06:50 PM   #28
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If you are promoting a Adult Website and you are looking for a Tube website that you can upload your promo videos and place ur Affiliate links with your promo ads, pleas just send me a P.M and we can get u setup with a account and upload access along with all the ads and your affiliate links for you to begin your Promoting. Let us be your vessel to start converting some sales.
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Hey Fred, just sent you a ICQ request
Oops, you make me realize that I don't use ICQ from 9 years but let it in my GFY account.
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Oops, you make me realize that I don't use ICQ from 9 years but let it in my GFY account.
I Barely use ICQ too, I sent u a friend request, hope we can talk
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There is no 'private message' only a 'visitor message' option for your account.. maybe it gets enabled after 100 posts or somethings.. can you post an email address where I can reach you?
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guess I need to make more posts

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There is no 'private message' only a 'visitor message' option for your account.. maybe it gets enabled after 100 posts or somethings.. can you post an email address where I can reach you?

Lets test that theory out. I can not send PMs to anyone.
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And you pay all the servers and the CDN costs because you are such a friendly man?
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I found a workaround, a working example is here - Rachel Starr and Van Wylde - Dirty Wives Club [Naughty America]

I can now run ads with affiliate links without the adblock issue, if anyone would like to give what we are offering a go please feel free to express your interest below.
no you did not.

barry gave you already a hint:

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Do some reading on how adblockers work heuristically ...
and forget about the first level identification - new adblockers are also checking the subdocument.

the way you try it will not work. it´s a bit more complicate to fool them.
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And you pay all the servers and the CDN costs because you are such a friendly man?
I don't use cdn's, The server it's self is pretty affordable and I have other projects on the same server so it's not a problem to have this project going.
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no you did not.

barry gave you already a hint:



and forget about the first level identification - new adblockers are also checking the subdocument.

the way you try it will not work. it´s a bit more complicate to fool them.
I'll admit I'm not that tech savvy to implement the things you guys have suggested, the only thing that I could change, and was capable of changing was the url directory names labeled Advertisement. Adblocking was something I greatly overlooked from the beginning.
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Google Chrome's new default adblocker *could* change things a lot.
Other browsers will most likely adopt similar technology to remain competitive.
Affiliate sales links may be meeting their waterloo soon IDK ...

Generally speaking, affiliates and search engine have been at *war* for years now.
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