Thanks Trump, largest Coal plant in Westren US closing 25 years ahead of schedule. (2019)

[crockett]

It's closing because coal is no longer economically viable as I've said many times. We aren't bringing back coal jobs unless you pay workers $1.50/hr. Even at that wage it might not be viable.. Trump = dumb, dumb that has no clue what he's talking about..



Three years ago, the EPA struck a deal with the owners of the largest coal plant in the Western U.S. to close the plant by 2044. Now?because of economics, not regulation?the owners plan to shut the plant down by 2019 instead.

https://www.fastcoexist.com/3068458/...ad-of-schedule


For the record the company I used to work for, installed the clean coal emissions systems at this plant just a few years ago. Meaning it's up to date to EPA standards it's just not viable to burn coal for power..

[JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Not Trump's fault

Obama's fault...he was the president the last 8 years...Trump is 5 weeks in

[Google Expert]

TRUMP!
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GFY libs 24/7

[mineistaken]

So are currently running mines paying 1.50 an hour? If not, your argument is debunked right there...

[crockett]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

Not Trump's fault

Obama's fault...he was the president the last 8 years...Trump is 5 weeks in

You didn't even read did you..

[crockett]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

So are currently running mines paying 1.50 an hour? If not, your argument is debunked right there...

Read what I wrote.. Coal is not financially viable to create power. Plants are closing all over the US because they are losing money. I said that in order for them to be "profitable" they would need to pay workers $1.50/hr to make the plants viable. Obviously that's not gonna happen..

Even in China they are stopping coal and China has shit loads of cheap labor and shitloads of coal. China has 170 billion tons of coal reserves and they import it from slave labor in North Korea for dirt cheap, but even they see the writing on the wall. Solar & wind cost way less and is renewable..

Trump bringing back "coal jobs" is bullshit and he should be honest with these people and set up programs to retrain them rather than lie to them giving them false hope..

[JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Who cares? And what does this have to do with trump?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

Who cares? And what does this have to do with trump?

Do you not pay attention? Trump campaigned on and continues to promise to bring back coal jobs. It's not gonna happen. The "free market" has spoken and coal is not profitable. Do you want to pay $400/month for electric in 10 years? Because that's probably what it would cost for areas that rely on coal.

As less plants burn coal, the cost to dig coal out of the ground & transport it becomes more due to the cost being spread over a smaller customer base. The cost to burn coal will continue to rise while solar & wind will continue to get cheaper.. It's basic economics & business management 101..

This is the same thing which will push everyone to electric cars.. Fuel will cost more to produce as the customer base shrinks causing the price to rise. In 30 years we will not be driving gas powered cars and we will not have any coal plants left. They will all be electric self driving cars. (insurance cost will drive everyone to self driving).

[Joshua G]

hey crockett, you dumb shit. trump, or congress, can stick a big fat tax on coal imports, & magically wipe away the economic advantage.

thats why he was elected president, dildo. promising to do exactly that, while hilary was hanging out with lady gaga. the coal plant will change their tune when the policy does.

duh duh duh. back on the short bus dumbfuck.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Coal Miners -- the writing was on the wall for them 25 years ago -- dumb as fuck. They had almost a generation to adjust -- adapt or die off.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by crockett

as I've said many times.

The great crockett has spoken, the secret White House advisor living in a van stinking of BO.

[Klen]

Coal is not needed anyway, only poor people still using it which cannot afford electricity or gas.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by nico-t

The great crockett has spoken, the secret White House advisor living in a van stinking of BO.

It should be a warning sign that a guy traveling in a van knows more about the coal industry than the President of the US.. Then again it's not surprising being the current POTUS gets his news from the same sources as people like you.. Fox News & Alex Jones rather than his professional advisors who probably know something (no not the paid advisors he hand picked for his cabinet)

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

hey crockett, you dumb shit. trump, or congress, can stick a big fat tax on coal imports, & magically wipe away the economic advantage.

thats why he was elected president, dildo. promising to do exactly that, while hilary was hanging out with lady gaga. the coal plant will change their tune when the policy does.

duh duh duh. back on the short bus dumbfuck.

No actually Josh BB you are wrong. Again.

Unless of course you want to slap huge taxes on all of the other fuels that coal has to compete with.

Now the great Orange Baboon is not about to do that. Not now he has hired half of big oil into his administration.

Is he Josh.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Coal Miners -- the writing was on the wall for them 25 years ago -- dumb as fuck. They had almost a generation to adjust -- adapt or die off.

The US still has more coal plants than any other kind

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

The US still has more coal plants than any other kind

Not for long.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by NewNick

Not for long.

Were do you get that?

[MaDalton]

burning coal in this age is stupid

[Barry-xlovecam]

Defending the indefensible is stupid.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

The US still has more coal plants than any other kind

Mapping Every Power Plant in the United States - Visual Capitalist

Actually no.. Natural Gas from fracking has over 3 times as many power plants in the US. These newer natural gas plants are smaller and spread out vs really big coal plants. They are no longer investing in giant sized power plants but rather smaller more localized because even natural gas will be phased out due to cost vs renewables.

The United States has 511 coal-fired power plants that generate 34% of the nation’s electricity. Coal produces the majority of energy in 14 sates.

The United States has 1,740 natural gas power plants that generate 30% of the nation’s electricity. Natural gas is the most important source of power in 15 states.

Coal's future is dead in less than 20 years most likely. Maybe even sooner.

There is also 2 times as many people employed in the solar industry as there are in the coal industry and wind power is also catching up..

btw the stats above are wrong on the percentages (out of date the article was from 2015). According to the US gov dept of energy both coal & natural gas are at dead even 33%. (that's how fast shit is changing)

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by StefanG

burning coal in this age is stupid

Stupid is not understanding that Coal is a huge resource here in the US, but you have always posted on things you don't comprehend !

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by crockett

You didn't even read did you..

No. He definitely, definitely, did not read it.

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

Who cares? And what does this have to do with trump?

Shhhh, shhhh... take a nap.

Originally Posted by Joshua G

hey crockett, you dumb shit. trump, or congress, can stick a big fat tax on coal imports, & magically wipe away the economic advantage.

No, and not the point. You didn't read it either.

Originally Posted by StefanG

burning coal in this age is stupid

[Rochard]

Thanks Trump!

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Stupid is not understanding that Coal is a huge resource here in the US, but you have always posted on things you don't comprehend !

We can have all the coal in the world, but if it costs more to extract, transport and turn into energy than the profits it will make, it's no better than a pile of dirt.. Stupid is not understanding basic economics.

[Rochard]

Here in California we have a problem where they are going to be shutting down a lot of power plants ahead of time. About a decade ago - maybe longer - our power companies could not produce enough power for the entire state so we had "brown outs"... Which is when they limited how much power you could use. It was strange - you would walk into a department store and two thirds of their lights would be off. So since then they've built a lot of power plants to make sure it never happens again.... Now people are putting solar on their houses and businesses and power consumption is dropping down. All of these power plants are not needed, and will never be needed.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Here in California we have a problem where they are going to be shutting down a lot of power plants ahead of time. About a decade ago - maybe longer - our power companies could not produce enough power for the entire state so we had "brown outs"... Which is when they limited how much power you could use. It was strange - you would walk into a department store and two thirds of their lights would be off. So since then they've built a lot of power plants to make sure it never happens again.... Now people are putting solar on their houses and businesses and power consumption is dropping down. All of these power plants are not needed, and will never be needed.

It's not just that, but most appliances, lights and things which use electric are more efficient than even a decade ago. Just look at the differences in light bulbs as an easy example. Now the interesting thing will be in 10-20 years as most cars on the road have become hybrids or full electric. There will once again be a spike in demand.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Major energy sources and percent share of total U.S. electricity generation in 2015:1

Coal = 33%
Natural gas = 33%
Nuclear = 20%
Hydropower = 6%
Other renewables = 7%
Biomass = 1.6%
Geothermal = 0.4%
Solar = 0.6%
Wind = 4.7%
Petroleum = 1%
Other gases = <1%
https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=427&t=3

67% of electricity is NOT generated with coal fired plants.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Major energy sources and percent share of total U.S. electricity generation in 2015:1

Coal = 33%
Natural gas = 33%
Nuclear = 20%
Hydropower = 6%
Other renewables = 7%
Biomass = 1.6%
Geothermal = 0.4%
Solar = 0.6%
Wind = 4.7%
Petroleum = 1%
Other gases = <1%
https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=427&t=3

67% of electricity is NOT generated with coal fired plants.

There is actually a "Petroleum = 1%er" near my dad's house. It was the old power plant back in the day, but now it's just kept in "usable" condition as an emergency back up. It uses 2 giant turbine engines to produce energy. There are 2 giant tanks next to it that must hold thousands of gallons of fuel. These tanks are massive in size, like what you see at gas refinery plants. I could only imagine the cost to run that power plant..

Now on the other hand, I don't believe the number of 0.6% for solar is accurate in the "real world". They are not taking into account all the energy generated by solar installed at businesses & by home owners. That energy doesn't get added to the totals because it just replaces energy that would of come from somewhere else.

[Barry-xlovecam]

I suppose diesel backup generators for datacenters count in that number too

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

blah blah blah

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Stupid is not understanding that Coal is a huge resource here in the US, but you have always posted on things you don't comprehend !

coal is also a huge resource in other places where people had the wisdom to realize that polluting the planet in this age is nuts when you have other renewable resources that even create new jobs.

but forward thinking was never your thing, i know

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I suppose diesel backup generators for datacenters count in that number too

I don't think they would. That is stats for grid tied power if I'm not mistaken. I think back up generators would fall into the same exclusion as self installed solar panels.

Also, there are actually private companies that have coal plants for example. American Sugar company operates their own coal fired power plants at their factories. Monsanto Chemical co also operates one as the company I worked for installed emission systems on all of them.

Supposedly the Monsanto plant was the dirtiest plant any of our guys had ever seen which falls in line with that company's ethics. (dirty coal plant is not a good thing because they tend to catch on fire)

[JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE]

crockett needs to take a break

perhaps a week ban?

[MrBottomTooth]

If solar and wind cost way less...can someone please tell the Ontario government? Their experiment in renewable energy has saddled us with the highest electricity rates in all of North America.

[Barry-xlovecam]

My elementary school had a coal fired power plant c.1960. We generated our own electricity -- smoke-stack puffing dark grey smoke all day. Maybe, they took power from the grid for the minimal night lighting.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

If solar and wind cost way less...can someone please tell the Ontario government? Their experiment in renewable energy has saddled us with the highest electricity rates in all of North America.

Thats a Canada problem ... Most energy in the east of the country ...

The best fossil fuel plants are only about 50% efficient. In the U.S., hydropower is produced for an average of 0.85 cents per kilowatt-hour (kwh). This is about 50% the cost of nuclear, 40% the cost of fossil fuel, and 25% the cost of using natural gas.

Facts About Hydropower

In the west you have loads of natural gas.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

If solar and wind cost way less...can someone please tell the Ontario government? Their experiment in renewable energy has saddled us with the highest electricity rates in all of North America.

You guys are not in the right location for solar.. As for wind, I'm personally not convinced on it. They are building wind farms in the US like it's going out of style, but every time I drive by these wind towers it seems like more than half of them are just sitting still..

The problem IMO, is power companies want to build "grid tied" shit so they can sell the power where ever.. Solar as an example is power system that should be more focused on local usage with battery storage banks. That is where solar shines so to speak. I'm not really a fan of grid tied wind farms or grid tied solar as there is no way to store that power meaning it can never be consistent on it's own with out storage capacity.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

crockett needs to take a break

perhaps a week ban?

Johnny Clips is scared of the future..

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by crockett

You guys are not in the right location for solar.. As for wind, I'm personally not convinced on it. They are building wind farms in the US like it's going out of style, but every time I drive by these wind towers it seems like more than half of them are just sitting still..

The problem IMO, is power companies want to build "grid tied" shit so they can sell the power where ever.. Solar as an example is power system that should be more focused on local usage with battery storage banks. That is where solar shines so to speak. I'm not really a fan of grid tied wind wars or grid tied solar as there is no way to store that power meaning it can never be consistent.

other countries do fine with wind, you need to choose the right location

[TCLGirls]

Something must be wrong with this news story because Trump said he was going to bring coal jobs back. He wouldn't lie would he? LOL

[Barry-xlovecam]

"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." - Abraham Lincoln

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by crockett

Johnny Clips is scared of the future..

He should have been banned months ago

John1975 / JohnnyClips / JohnnyNight /Joshua G

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

Not Trump's fault

Obama's fault...he was the president the last 8 years...Trump is 5 weeks in

But the stock market is Trump, right ??????

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." - Abraham Lincoln

But you CAN be a fool all of the time ( i.e. Trump )

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Here in California we have a problem where they are going to be shutting down a lot of power plants ahead of time. About a decade ago - maybe longer - our power companies could not produce enough power for the entire state so we had "brown outs"... Which is when they limited how much power you could use. It was strange - you would walk into a department store and two thirds of their lights would be off. So since then they've built a lot of power plants to make sure it never happens again.... Now people are putting solar on their houses and businesses and power consumption is dropping down. All of these power plants are not needed, and will never be needed.

Not necessarily, where will electric cars get their power from ?

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by StefanG

burning coal in this age is stupid

Yes, digging up dirt to burn for energy is evil. Meanwhile...

The UK's £1billion carbon-belcher raping US forests

Protected forests in Europe felled to meet EU renewable targets – report

You seem like a reasonable guy. If you don't see the lunacy is this then I would have to conclude that my assumption about you is wrong.




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[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

Yes, digging up dirt to burn for energy is evil. Meanwhile...

The UK's £1billion carbon-belcher raping US forests

Protected forests in Europe felled to meet EU renewable targets – report

You seem like a reasonable guy. If you don't see the lunacy is this then I would have to conclude that my assumption about you is wrong.


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i absolutely agree, just because I dislike one thing, it doesn't mean that I automatically approve others.

i strongly believe that our energy problem can solved - not today, not tomorrow, but in a process over the next 20-30 years - by:

- first and foremost SAVING energy. more energy efficient technology (LED lights for example are a huge improvement in that) but also better building insulation for example. You can acutally build houses that heat and cool themselves without heating or air condition. Very expensive today but this is what R&D are for - backward thinking and religion have no place here.

- also focussing on renewable energy like wind, sun, geothermal, water - there are still many uncharted possibilities here

- and because the wind doesn't always blow and the sun doesn't always shine and we have not developed sufficient methods of storing surplus energy YET, natural gas (no fracking!) plants to even out the energy demand - also because you can power those up and down quickly, opposed to coal for example. Problem here: those gas plants are not very profitable when you just use them when the renewables do not match demand and therefore private for profit energy suppliers don't want to build them.

And that's why - even as company owner working for profit - I do not believe that unrestrained capitalism is the answer to everything. Because in some things longterm thinking is more important.

[2MuchMark]

Still pissed at this.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Still pissed at this.

Go out to dinner, have some fun. The world is still spinning when you're done.

And within the next 8 years time the world will look a whole of a lot better. Guaranteed. Unless the establishment manages to assassinate Trump - then you'll have the same shitty corrupt Washington veterans Clintons, Bushes and Obama causing wars, mayhem, division and racism across the globe.

What is it with you Trump haters being so obsessed? 99% of your worries are based on empty headlines of corporate media constantly bashing him just to brainwash you.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by nico-t

Go out to dinner, have some fun. The world is still spinning when you're done...