Originally Posted by jerkules

"I haven't quite made any money"

So you will not get much for that site either. I see you are embedding videos from other tube sites and you do not even change the titles and there is no unique content whatsoever. No wonder you do not get much love from Google. You should prioritize quality over quantity. Have a good luck.

Originally Posted by Creatine

Honestly I would leave the adult niche while you can.

I run the website xFapZilla.com, Femdo.me, and xCatt.com and youfap.co I waste at least 5 hours per day posting on them.

Imagine if instead of wasting my time on the porn tube sites If I got 100,000 visitors to UpVoat?

Everyday i'm sitting here trying to post at least 100 videos to my tube sites per day making NOTHINGG. I think I might be insane.

Originally Posted by Creatine

Honestly I would leave the adult niche while you can.

I run the website xFapZilla.com, Femdo.me, and xCatt.com and youfap.co I waste at least 5 hours per day posting on them.

Here's what 100,000 visitors will get you.


I started another website, it's basically Reddit.com mixed with buzzfeed.com.
The new site I launched is called UpVoat.com

Here's what about 1,000 views on Google Adsense pays.




Imagine if instead of wasting my time on the porn tube sites If I got 100,000 visitors to UpVoat?

Everyday i'm sitting here trying to post at least 100 videos to my tube sites per day making NOTHINGG. I think I might be insane.

I thought about shutting them down many times, every night as I go to bed I think about if it's even worth it.


I don't know what to do anymore. I really need to make a decision but it's hard to let go. I already have over 4,000 videos posted on the tubes.

Originally Posted by thommy

i try to figure out where i can find 100 K visitors in your stats. maybe i missunderstand what you have posted but as far as i see these are adimpressions in the first stat and in the second pageimpressions. as you have 6 ads on each page and estimated 3-4 pageviews per user the first stat would show aproximately 4000 unique users and not 100.000.

correct me if i am wrong

greetings
thommy

Originally Posted by thommy

ahh that is what i thought - what made me cofused was your sentence



because ad impressions are not visitors.

but i think you both have quite the same problem with your tubes and i think that is a result of a basicly wrong way to generate traffic.

i know tonns of german sites what have more than 10 K english speaking users daily on them but they do not even optimize on english language or even have the sites in english. this users are going there because this pages are perfectly made for google rankings and user satisfaction and getting 500 - 800 k UNIQUE VISITORS only from the 3 german speaking countries (PER DAY) and all from google, bing and yahoo.

i was investigating a bit in the past few month how this "international market" is generating users and make them to money and found out that there are standards around what can not work.

most common error is that thousands of webmasters are thinking they have a million users on their websites. but fact is that most of this traffic is simple circle jerk traffic.
if you send 1 million unique users on 1000 different websites does not mean that you have now 1 billion users (what would be the fact if you count the numbers of every single webmaster). these are STILL THE SAME MILLION users and they have the limited buying power of 1 million individuals. you can circle them as much as you want - it does not make their wallet bigger.

all what i can read about SEO here is buying links and and exchange traffic.

that is a method what does not work anymore.
it might not destroy your position (if you are lucky) but it will not push you anywhere when the onpage SEO does not makes sense.
i do not say that you do not need links but you do not need many of them and you need to place them smart.

if i look on your or similar sites there are so many SEO-nogos what will never attract google that i think your problem is exactly there and not in the hours you invest to make this sites working.

google is really not a mystery - you can read nearly all what is nessecary in their own giving informations. who made google complicated have been the SEOs and linksellers who make you think you need them.

the point is that everybody copies from the other including mistakes - everbody is running after public formulas what can´t work either. this market is so open as i have never seen a market before. google rankings are mostly so fragil, that you see every day how sites going on top and then lose rankings again. that means there is nothing strong existing.

if you watch the rankings in the google country searches you will see a totally different picture. and that´s because these markets are limited and webmasters do not have other possibilities to get traffic as from google and co that´s why they learned to understand google.

i have not deep looked into your sites and i do not even know what site the threadstarter talks about but there are really a lot of basic mistakes on them even when they look optically really nice.

greetings
thommy

Originally Posted by plsureking

nice stats man.

there are many problems with tubes, but one of the main problems is that a tube isn't a business model. it worked out for a few corporate tubes with large staff, but small tube operations are not a good business.

tubes ARE a great traffic magnet. they should be built or operated as a marketing resource, not a revenue source. people who try to make money on their marketing tools have got it all wrong. build tubes to funnel traffic to your paysites. that's their only real use today.

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Originally Posted by wankawonk

Most of the top tubes don't actually own paysites. That's really just a mindgeek thing. In fact most of the top tubes send their traffic to mindgeek paysites.

Originally Posted by myleene

Your business model is wrong and the only one making bank are your ad networks.

Originally Posted by Creatine

I think it would be difficult to out rank the pornhub network, xvideos, xhamster, etc. The competition is brutal in the porn/adult tube industry.
I don't know if good content is enough anymore. There are 1,000's of porn tube sites and more being built every day.

Originally Posted by Creatine

You act like it's so simple to manipulate Google. There are people on BlackHatWorld.com that make it their mission to try to manipulate the rankings.

Originally Posted by videosc

Creatine, thanks for your posts. I am in the same boat as you, spending hours on adult blogs with virtually nothing to show for it. I'd love to do mainstream sites but I have no idea what topics I'd do that would be popular. Its sad to say but my passion has always been porn so that's why I got into this. But like you I often feel like just walking away and trying something else. Heck, I'm no where near making minimum wage for my adult blogging work so I might as well get a job at McDonalds.

Originally Posted by thommy

so just do in adult the same as you have to do in mainstream: get the user right away and don´t try to make profit from him after he went through 100 hands.

Originally Posted by plsureking

hey thommy your whole post was great, especially your explanation of dilution. the part quoted above is the key. i mention this a few times a year when paysite owners want to start their own tubes.

once a surfer hits the tubes, a paysite sale is basically lost. as soon as they start clicking around tubes, there's little chance of seeing a credit card. there's too much free porn.

get them early (ie from social or email) and keep them on your sites.

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Originally Posted by thommy

i do not completely agree with you because there is a BASIC point in all of that what clears most of your facts in a very simple and logic way.

1. porn as it is done from most webasters here is nothing else than pushing visitors from one site to the other.

now i want you to calculate the following:

lets say 100 users leaded somehow to 50 different domains of 50 different webmaster (no matter if the just open one site and leave - or watching a few pages or even get redirected with the next click to again another site) than each of this 50 webmasters have 100 uniques on his domain multiplied by 50 = 5000 unique users in 50 different stats of 50 different webmasters.

the usual average buying power (for porn) from 5000 different users is approximately at 100 US in average.

but we do not have 5000 users in that race - there are only 100 in fact - so divide the average buying power of 100 US by 50 and you are at 2 US.

this 2 US is the BUYING POWER, what means this is not what a webmaster can earnt, because it includes costs for the sold product, payment costs and a few other costs. so from this 2 US there will be paid out 1 US maximum.

now divide this 1 US by the number of unique vistors we have in that game - means 1:5000 = 0,0002 US per "virtual unique" or 0,02 US eCPM.

that explains all what is happening here and as more this traffic is redirected and subredirected as lower is the endresult.

when webmasters going mainstream, there are no such circle jerks and toplist options. it means the user have to be generated at the source (google, facebook etc).
what leads to a very other quality of user because that one is the ONE and not the one who was already 50 times the one.

that fact makes mainstream optically more profitable but in fact, if you just count it on the REAL NUMBER OF UNIQUE VISITORS it is not.

so the problem is not the product and not the adultbiz - the problem is that people can´t count and calculate. that is the neverending fairytale with what multilevel marketing systems and ponzi schemes do find idiots enough since centuries because people do not have a clue of business calculation based on true numbers.

webmasters what are able to make such a calculation and react on that are able to make 50-100 times more profit from their visitors.

that explains also the fairytale, that niche products would make a higher profit. infact they DO NOT. they make a much lower profit if you calculate it on TRUE numbers.
TRUE numbers means always that you have to count the number of INDIVIDUAL USERS because only whyt THEY have in their wallet can be made.

so the error is not in the economy - the error is based on a completely nonsense marketing strategy what is founded, copied and subcopied by people who are trying to survive in a business market without having even a little plan of economiy and calculation rules. ther was a time when that worked just because nobody did it better. but this time is passed since years and it will not come back by just multiply the old errors.

so just do in adult the same as you have to do in mainstream: get the user right away and don´t try to make profit from him after he went through 100 hands.
think in INDIVIDUALS and not in traffic numbers and find the right way to show that to the search engines (SEO does not mean to trick them but show them in what you are good).

the game is VERY simple when you are able to cut out all this bullshit fairytale-strategies made by "1-brain-cell-marketers" - they only work for them if they find people what are even more stupid - but they do not work for the people who believe in them.

you really do not have to be albert einstein and you do not even need a calculator to see where facts can´t be facts. you just need a normal healthy brain.

greetings
thommy

Originally Posted by Creatine

Hey thommy I have some difficulties understanding this, from what i'm picking up you're saying the traffic actually converts well. But it's just all bounced around among tube sites which creates lower CPM's and less profits?

Originally Posted by thommy

it is mostly not even bounced around the tubesites. it is bounced around many sites it hese are "toplists" or "galleries" or whatever junksite what get´s only traffic FROM such ressources and many many more



no matter HOW crowded the internt is - in google is just ONE first page and that where is a user usually starts his tour.



that´s also not true - th enetworks do not make the big part of what advertisers spend - the point is that advertisers are never able to pay more as they can make on advertisement.

99% of all ads i see around are CPM ads and webmasters do usually hide them in the footer or put such a lot of them, that the traffic from there loses a lot of value.

it is still the same count - if you have 2 ads on a page or 10 it ist still only ONE user who can see them. worse when this ads are on sites where blind clicks are used for trafficexchange stuff. this user is gobe before he had the chance to click but the advertiser have to pay this impression.

no - the mainproblem are definetly NOT the networks - the mainproblem are the webmasters who want to make money with ads but do not want a user clicks there.

beside that you have to see another point. an advertiser who works with CPM have to look at least that the source he use is matching his product as good as possible. that leads to the nonsense that cams want to promote on camseites and dating on datingsites. they will NEVER have the chance to make any money from anything else. but do you really belive that a potential ccambuyer is ONLY on cam related sites? how does he get there when he is new and never heard about it?

this is why i personally would not use and not offer CPM to anybody. i think the one and only real value we have in compare to the "regular media" is the user action and this is the click.



well i think you do not make your pornsites for your family. and yes it is quite impossible to spread porn on facebook. that´s why i prefer the good old searchengines. social media in porn is a step what you should try when you are at the limit with searchengines



it is in fact VERY easy because SEO does not work any different as advertisement.
if you set a link just to be there it is senseless.
if you set a link what get clicks but no following usage, you made something wrong. maybe your message caused another expectation or the target site did not show right away, that the user is where he wanted.
so when you set a link think what can work and what do you REALLY have.

if your links and your traffic to your site is not producing ondomain pageviews and holding time you have the wrong traffic and the wrong adverstisement (a link IS adverisement)

i won a bet a few month ago with an advertiser who wanted to buy gay traffic from me. but in our network of 6500 domains is NOT ONE gaysite.
the guy made a banner with the following phrase:

ARE YOU GAY or DO YOU WANT TO BECOME ONE ???

and this ads where ONLY shown on mainstream porn sites and they are still running on a quite high CPC and I won the bet.



well you can do all that and write blogarticles and more but at the end you have to have REAL users who like your content somehow.

google does not react on spamlinks anymore because the have the possibility to follow users and do not have to trust in links. but IF a link is followed by users AND this surfer is USING the site he has clicked on THAN a link is a positive one and google will try to reproduce "your advertising strategy" (what means your linktext or key) in their own listings.

that will take a while and can also not be tricked out, because google is testing this keys on just a few users first. you will never know when where and to who your result will be shown - that is googles secret.
and as you will not look behind this secret the one and only way is to make websites attractive.



well i was just roughly going over your sites and what i saw there first is that you also hide the banners. too many of them in the footer and too many fakeads because of CPM.

i tell you what:
chose your BEST and most prominent places
write over the ad fat ADVERTISEMENT
cut out all banners in the footer for now (later you can put one or 2
work with CPC or choose banners from programms and set them up. but look that the banner is EXACTLY matching with what is behind
DO NOT use links with landingpagerotations or shit like that - because you will never know what worked and what not
promote there WHATEVER YOU WANT and do not think that nichesurfers are buying nothing else than that.

and than see what will happen.
and if you are still making 4 US per month with that you either did something wrong or you should never listen again to me and call me names.

but if you make 10 or 12 dollar with your existing traffic than your next goal should be to change the trafficsources and multiple this concept with REAL users.

greetings
thommy

Originally Posted by Creatine

Thank you the reply Thommy,

I analogize if I came off insulting. I'm just a bit tired of putting in work and seeing little ot no results.

I'm going to follow your advice, I removed the footer and comment ads. I'm going to keep 1 ad in the video, and instead of having 3 separate 300x250 ad codes I'll have 1 300x600 ad in the sidebar.

Originally Posted by myleene

Your business model is wrong and the only one making bank are your ad networks.

You could easily do 100x more in mainstream or by working on your marketing.

Originally Posted by fiverose

Why don't you explain in detail?

Originally Posted by videosc

Thommy, I have a few questions for you:

1. Should I link directly to a sponsors join page or to their tour page?

2. Have you ever heard that using link cloaking can hurt sales? I have one blog where the links are not cloaked and another where they are and the uncloaked links seem to convert a little better... not sure why.