serious question, are libs stupid?

[Grapesoda]

hummmmm... the big players in the middle east oil game are Russia, the USA, Iran.... these players are the only people that can bring an end to the constant issues in the area.


Obama gave Iran 10 billion in cash and gold, kicked Israel to the curb and told Russia to fuck off on the way out of office.... do you fucks not see what he did lol!!!

[RedFred]

Why do you hate america and love russia?

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

hummmmm... the big players in the middle east oil game are Russia, the USA, Iran.... these players are the only people that can bring an end to the constant issues in the area.


Obama gave Iran 10 billion in cash and gold, kicked Israel to the curb and told Russia to fuck off on the way out of office.... do you fucks not see what he did lol!!!

Saudi Arabia are by far the biggest controllers of oil - They are the biggest producers and control OPEC - They control more oil than your list put together...

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Saudi Arabia are by far the biggest controllers of oil - They are the biggest producers and control OPEC - They control more oil than your list put together...

Not actually accurate

Rank Country Oil - production (bbl/day)
1 Saudi Arabia 11,730,000
2 United States 11,110,000
3 Russia 10,440,000
4 China 4,197,000

The Exxon deal with Russia that Obama stopped with sanctions, would bring Russia to the top of the list of oil producing countries.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Not actually accurate

Rank Country Oil - production (bbl/day)
1 Saudi Arabia 11,730,000
2 United States 11,110,000
3 Russia 10,440,000
4 China 4,197,000

The Exxon deal with Russia that Obama stopped with sanctions, would bring Russia to the top of the list of oil producing countries.

Including OPEC? - It's not about production but control of price...

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Including OPEC? - It's not about production but control of price...

Oh my bad! This is why I should drink my coffee before posting

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Oh my bad! This is why I should drink my coffee before posting

Don't do it again - lol...

[Grapesoda]

You guys are killing me lol

[buyandsell]

yes I just read it on rt.com the word liberal actually comes from the russian phrase "lib eral" which translates roughly as "stupid anal" or "stupid asshole"

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Not actually accurate

Rank Country Oil - production (bbl/day)
1 Saudi Arabia 11,730,000
2 United States 11,110,000
3 Russia 10,440,000
4 China 4,197,000

The Exxon deal with Russia that Obama stopped with sanctions, would bring Russia to the top of the list of oil producing countries.

I remember we work with UK British Petroleum
PS: soros kick ass

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

hummmmm... the big players in the middle east oil game are Russia, the USA, Iran.... these players are the only people that can bring an end to the constant issues in the area.


Obama gave Iran 10 billion in cash and gold, kicked Israel to the curb and told Russia to fuck off on the way out of office.... do you fucks not see what he did lol!!!

You are over simplifying things, and then making things out to be something they aren't.

This "10 billion in cash and gold".... I believe you are talking about the payments the US made to Iran. This wasn't money Obama "gave to Iran" but instead was money that has been due to Iran for some time now. You are making this out to be "Obama wanted to give Iran billions" which isn't the case. I don't want to pay my mortgage, but... I have to.

Obama also didn't kick Israel to the curb. Jesus Christ. We had a disagreement and Israel had to be told no. The reality here is Israel is taking land that doesn't belong to them, and is building new cities on that land. This is illegal and needs to stop. This is like Mexico moving our border back thirty miles and building cities there - Not gonna happen.

Telling Russia to fuck off? Sure sure. They took Crimea, and then tried to take the rest of Ukraine. Not gonna happen.

Russia, the United States, and Iran is not going to fix the Middle East. The Middle East is just fucked and always will be. And please pay attention this next bit very carefully.... Things will get much, much worse in the Middle East. For the past sixty years the Middle East has been important to rest of the world because of it's oil reserves. The Middle East was supported on the Western world's need for oil. This is no longer the case. We are discovering new methods to extract oil from the ground, finding new oil reserves everywhere, and it's becoming cheaper and cheaper to produce. Combined with electric cars and solar power, in the near future the Middle East will become worthless. Utterly fucking worthless. We don't need their oil any more - Now what are they going to do? Saudi Arabia is already feeling this and it will only get worse, not better. Entire governments will collapse because of this.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

hummmmm... the big players in the middle east oil game are Russia, the USA, Iran.... these players are the only people that can bring an end to the constant issues in the area.


Obama gave Iran 10 billion in cash and gold, kicked Israel to the curb and told Russia to fuck off on the way out of office.... do you fucks not see what he did lol!!!

Oh yeah Russia fixed Afghanistan in the 90's and Syria is supported by them and is doing well... Ok so Russia has the same track record we do there.

A conservative is resistent to change. Is that the "smart" way to go? Liberals like personal freedom. You are against that? I get that really you just hate people who are different. You might want to consider how that helps you.

[Bladewire]

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by Rochard

. Combined with electric cars and solar power, in the near future the Middle East will become worthless. Utterly fucking worthless. We don't need their oil any more - Now what are they going to do? Saudi Arabia is already feeling this and it will only get worse, not better. Entire governments will collapse because of this.

Yes, better for environment, better for the oligarch countries.
I think the 'green' people are marketing clean energy wrong.
Tell it like this and both left and right must support sustainable energy.
Maybe cost a little more, but less wars about oil.
We can sell water in those countries and control that price in the future
Some people predict drinking water to become the next problem.

[beerptrol]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

hummmmm... the big players in the middle east oil game are Russia, the USA, Iran.... these players are the only people that can bring an end to the constant issues in the area.


Obama gave Iran 10 billion in cash and gold, kicked Israel to the curb and told Russia to fuck off on the way out of office.... do you fucks not see what he did lol!!!

He did the right thing. If it was Trump who had done it, you would be here circle jerkin with the rest of the trumpanzees

[Bladewire]

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by buyandsell

yes I just read it on rt.com the word liberal actually comes from the russian phrase "lib eral" which translates roughly as "stupid anal" or "stupid asshole"

lol!!!!!!!

Middle English: via Old French from Latin liberalis, from liber ?free (man).? The original sense was ?suitable for a free man,? hence ?suitable for a gentleman? (one not tied to a trade), surviving in liberal arts . Another early sense, ?generous? (sense 4 of the adjective), gave rise to an obsolete meaning ?free from restraint,? leading to sense 1 of the adjective (late 18th century).

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Rochard

You are over simplifying things, and then making things out to be something they aren't.

This "10 billion in cash and gold".... I believe you are talking about the payments the US made to Iran. This wasn't money Obama "gave to Iran" but instead was money that has been due to Iran for some time now. You are making this out to be "Obama wanted to give Iran billions" which isn't the case. I don't want to pay my mortgage, but... I have to.

Obama also didn't kick Israel to the curb. Jesus Christ. We had a disagreement and Israel had to be told no. The reality here is Israel is taking land that doesn't belong to them, and is building new cities on that land. This is illegal and needs to stop. This is like Mexico moving our border back thirty miles and building cities there - Not gonna happen.

Telling Russia to fuck off? Sure sure. They took Crimea, and then tried to take the rest of Ukraine. Not gonna happen.

Russia, the United States, and Iran is not going to fix the Middle East. The Middle East is just fucked and always will be. And please pay attention this next bit very carefully.... Things will get much, much worse in the Middle East. For the past sixty years the Middle East has been important to rest of the world because of it's oil reserves. The Middle East was supported on the Western world's need for oil. This is no longer the case. We are discovering new methods to extract oil from the ground, finding new oil reserves everywhere, and it's becoming cheaper and cheaper to produce. Combined with electric cars and solar power, in the near future the Middle East will become worthless. Utterly fucking worthless. We don't need their oil any more - Now what are they going to do? Saudi Arabia is already feeling this and it will only get worse, not better. Entire governments will collapse because of this.

so iran won't take the money and finance terrorism, thanks good to know! you try and understand this homey: obama has made the world a more dangerous place.

BTW if you don't see that Obama kicked Israel to the curb, and Obama told Russia to fuck off and obama released 10 B to a country devoted to destroying Israel I really need to wonder about the accuracy of your thinking, because that is exactly what happened.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by slapass

Oh yeah Russia fixed Afghanistan in the 90's and Syria is supported by them and is doing well... Ok so Russia has the same track record we do there.

A conservative is resistent to change. Is that the "smart" way to go? Liberals like personal freedom. You are against that? I get that really you just hate people who are different. You might want to consider how that helps you.

well I think how bruce jennres nuts look in an evening gown is relatively unimportant in the scope of nation relationships. and fuck you for trying to tag me as a racist in searches

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by beerptrol

He did the right thing. If it was Trump who had done it, you would be here circle jerkin with the rest of the trumpanzees

actually everybody is just waiting for the dumb ass to leave office so they can fix stuff

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

they weren't able to change the constitution so I imagine this is the next plan.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

they weren't able to change the constitution so I imagine this is the next plan.

Hold me bro slowly slip it in my safe place, or let my thick one fill your cave... Happy New Year! 💋

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Rochard

You are over simplifying things, and then making things out to be something they aren't.

Simple is what he does.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

hummmmm... the big players in the middle east oil game are Russia, the USA, Iran.... these players are the only people that can bring an end to the constant issues in the area.


Obama gave Iran 10 billion in cash and gold, kicked Israel to the curb and told Russia to fuck off on the way out of office.... do you fucks not see what he did lol!!!

No one but the Muslims themselves can end this and the next conflicts in the ME. Russia and Iran won't shed tears over killing anyone who steps out of line. US and EU will cry if a baby dies.

Israel should have been kicked to the kerb in the 50s. Saying "We gave you other people's land, now look after it yourself."

As for Iran, just let them build their nuclear plants and aim enough nuclear missiles at Iran to scare the leaders into not using Nuclear warheads. Works fine with Russia, Korea, etc.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Combined with electric cars and solar power, in the near future the Middle East will become worthless. Utterly fucking worthless. We don't need their oil any more - Now what are they going to do? Saudi Arabia is already feeling this and it will only get worse, not better. Entire governments will collapse because of this.

Can't happen fast enough.

[Paul Markham]

The Middle East is fighting Wars Europe fought in the Dark Ages. Wars based on Tribal allegiances, led by power and wealth hungry leaders with a religion that rewards their dead with 72 virgins, young girls just into puberty.

Add the $billions from oil revenues, modern arms and you have a perfect storm.

They've been killing each other from before Mohammed was born and spread Islam at the point of a sword. After he died, they took up arms to kill each other. Now they use tanks, planes, suicide bombers and machine guns to spread their vile message.

The Ottomans were effective rulers, they stamped out any resistance before it grew. Like Saddam, Gadhafi, Assad, Saudis, Egyptian Generals, Iranian Mullahs, etc.

To rule that region by liberals standards is like entering a lion's den and thinking love will win and keep you safe. The only effective way to stop them attacking us in our countries is to remove them from our countries. Or minimise their effect by massive surveillance. Or accept some will kill us because their god told them to.

If a White person said that he would be locked up for insanity. Muslims say it all the time, they're told to do it in their book of fiction the quran. And until they throw that book where it belongs, into the past. They will continue to live apart from even their fellow Muslims.

[kane]

There has been chaos, violence, and unrest in the Middle East since the beginning of recorded history. It doesn't matter what anyone does, it will always be that way.

And to answer your question. Sure, some liberals are stupid, just like some conservatives are stupid.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Hold me bro slowly slip it in my safe place, or let my thick one fill your cave... Happy New Year! 💋

your fucking awesome, happy new year bro

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Simple is what he does.

okay, does Iran have access to 10 Billion in gold and cash? did Iran state they intend to destroy Israel? is the US now in diplomatic hostility with Russia? has the UN just voted against Israel? is that simple enough for you?

[Grapesoda]

[QUOTE=Paul Markham;21417808]Can't happen fast enough. [/QUOT yup we can dump 100 million jobs, easy, be no problem at all. Great Plan Paul!

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

No one but the Muslims themselves can end this and the next conflicts in the ME. Russia and Iran won't shed tears over killing anyone who steps out of line. US and EU will cry if a baby dies.

Israel should have been kicked to the kerb in the 50s. Saying "We gave you other people's land, now look after it yourself."

As for Iran, just let them build their nuclear plants and aim enough nuclear missiles at Iran to scare the leaders into not using Nuclear warheads. Works fine with Russia, Korea, etc.

yeah I really miss the cold war, bring back the good ole days!

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The only effective way to stop them attacking us in our countries is to remove them from our countries. Or minimise their effect by massive surveillance. Or accept some will kill us because their god told them to.

Wow you're really afraid of the boogyman Paul.

We live in peace with millions of Muslims in America, always have. Every now and then one will snap and kill people, but no more than anyone else statistically.

Europe has 2 problems:

1) Not much diversity

2) Bad at including others in your culture

The problems are not the people coming in, it's you letting them in and throwing them to slums without actually welcoming them to be one of you and live like you, amongst you, with a chance at a real fulfilling life.

Sure you let in a few that want to kill you but that's your fault for not vetting all the people, however, if you were like USA even the ones who wanted to kill you would love you after living in your inclusive culture for awhile.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

Yes, better for environment, better for the oligarch countries.
I think the 'green' people are marketing clean energy wrong.
Tell it like this and both left and right must support sustainable energy.
Maybe cost a little more, but less wars about oil.
We can sell water in those countries and control that price in the future
Some people predict drinking water to become the next problem.

Here is the thing.. The right can stick their head in the ground and deny, deny, deny but the world is moving on with out them.

Coal for one is dead. There will never be another new coal plant built in the US. It's a done deal, it's not EPA or any regulations it's fracking which has put the death nail into coal.

Fracking is simply cheaper.. Coal requires hundreds if not thousands of people to run it's operation for a single mine. With this, comes lots of heath risks ect.. it's just no longer feasible and those jobs are never coming back. A fracking well takes maybe 100 guys at most 3 to 6 months to set up and after that it's producing with only a couple guys in the field to maintain it. It's way cheaper so the market is pushing coal out, not regulations like Trump and all the denibilles claim.

As for actual renewable power. 2016 was also the year that Solar became cheaper than coal. Meaning if Fracking didn't put it out of business solar would. ie the market is pushing fossil fuels like coal out of existence, just like we don't run steam engine trains/boats anymore as it wasn't as efficient or as profitable.. Renewable power will also eventually drive the death nail into oil, as an energy source, but it will take another 50-100 years because tech just isn't here yet.

as far as other renewable, the rest of the world doesn't have one hand tied behind their back like the US does, due to ignorant Republicans. 2016 also marked the year that more "new" renewable power generation was created vs fossil fuel. (meaning off all the added power generation added to the entire world, more renewable was added than fossil fuel, that shows the the future = renewable)

Republicans can cry about it and blame liberals all they want but the world has moved on with out them. It's actually kind of sad that here in the US we have to deal with these ignorant fools but it is what it is and the OP is a classic case of this.

[crockett]

Just saw this.. obviously renewable power is not just for 1st world countries, in fact it might be a cheaper route for 3rd world power..

Costa Rica powered by renewable energy for over 250 days in 2016

2016 Costa Rica was 98.2% electric power by renewable energy for the year of 2016. Meaning for an entire year only 8% of their power came from fossil fuels.. In 30-50 years the MI is gone to status of Africa..

Iraq, Saudi, Iran, Syria are living on borrowed time, their importance to the rest of the world will be the same as Ethiopia in 30-50 years. Once cars are mostly electric, they are done..

Localized renewable power is the future not big power plants and power grids that span an entire country. In fact I'd say 3rd world has the advantage, because they don't have to deal with extensive power grid networks, they can start fresh in many places with localized renewable systems.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Wow you're really afraid of the boogyman Paul.

We live in peace with millions of Muslims in America, always have. Every now and then one will snap and kill people, but no more than anyone else statistically.

Europe has 2 problems:

1) Not much diversity

2) Bad at including others in your culture

The problems are not the people coming in, it's you letting them in and throwing them to slums without actually welcoming them to be one of you and live like you, amongst you, with a chance at a real fulfilling life.

Yes we live in peace with millions of Muslims. Whether we like it or not because never were the people asked if they wanted millions of Muslims to come to Europe.

Statistically, they are more likely to kill a European than Muslims who aren't in Europe, they even plan it. They're more likely to commit a sex crime, more likely to be antisemitic, more likely to be on benefits or doing a low skilled job.

White Europeans are far more willing to mix, inter-marry, etc.

We are far more tolerant at including other in our culture. They have to want to be in our culture to integrate.

Of course, we could welcome them in, give them great houses while depriving native Brits of the same, give them better benefits while depriving native Brits of the same and give them a chance at a real fulfilling life while depriving native Brits of the same.

Have you any clue how much in taxes that would cost you?

ME Muslims as a group, will never fully integrate while remaining devout Muslims. Because Islam forbids them from integrating. They can't even integrate with other Muslims, so no chance with us.

If you live in the UK visit places like Stamford Hill, where still Jews who refuse to integrate live. In Brno we have Gipsies who have lived here for as long as 500 years, they still refuse to integrate.

I married a Filipino, then Czech dated many Carribean girls, Aunt married a Cypriot, cousin married a black girl. See many Vietnamese/Czech couples here. See half-caste children as the norm. To date, I don't know of one Mulsim/Non-Muslim marriage.

Sure you let in a few that want to kill you but that's your fault for not vetting all the people, however, if you were like USA even the ones who wanted to kill you would love you after living in your inclusive culture for awhile.

You're clearly not in grasp of the facts. Go do some research.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

yeah I really miss the cold war, bring back the good ole days!

They were engineered by politicians. But even then mutual devastation stopped the Bomb being used.

[Paul Markham]

[QUOTE=Grapesoda;21418258]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Can't happen fast enough. [/QUOT yup we can dump 100 million jobs, easy, be no problem at all. Great Plan Paul!

Can you tell us why shifting away from ME oil would result in the loss of millions of jobs.