Affected by Piracy ? Get Represented!

[AdultKing]

Everybody here will be familiar with the project I started in June to Kill off File Lockers.

Since starting the project more than 600 sites have lost one or more forms of payment processing and upward of 100 sites have disappeared completely. Every week Nautilus posts more sites that have gone offline as a direct result of our work.

We are now readying to expand our efforts, however we will only be successful if content owners and rights holders get on board. With support we can make a difference and seriously impact piracy, we have the experience and the know how to hit piracy where it hurts.

We scrupulously use every possible means to impact and disrupt pirates, forcing them into a continual process of moving hosts, payment providers and monetization methods until they run out of options and can no longer operate.

IP Rights Holders can now become represented by us (Copy Control) so we can help you mitigate piracy of your content.

Representation by Copy Control is not a replacement for your current DMCA arrangements, rather it's complimentary to them.

What we do is actively enforce your rights by working with web hosting companies, payment processing companies, banks, card associations, advertising networks and other service providers to have them stop working with the pirates and their sites.

Where organisations are un-cooperative we have a number of legal strategies that we employ to gain compliance.

We also liaise with law enforcement agencies and other government agencies to mitigate piracy on your behalf.

To get your company , brand or content represented by Copy Control we ask that you fill out this simple form.

http://copycontrol.org/get-represented/

once you fill out this form I will send you a copy of our rights-holder representation agreement for you to sign and return back to us.

you can also read about what representation will do for you at

http://copycontrol.org/services/

We work on a cost recovery basis so the fees for representation are quite low and if you can't afford them we'll work with you to come up with a fee which suits your budget. Small rights holders would pay around $500 per year (or $50 per month), Mid sized rights holder companies would pay around $1000 per year (or $100 per month) and large rights holders would pay around $3500 per year or ($350 per month).

This is very expensive and labor intensive work, we need to charge fees to recover the costs of what we are doing.

Representation is non exclusive. Becoming represented by Copy Control should not impact any other relationships you have with DMCA agents, legal services, attorneys or investigators. We are a complimentary service to all of these types of organisations.

If you have any questions about becoming represented by us please email me at members -at- copycontrol.org

[MrDeiz]

great initiative!
best of luck

[EddyTheDog]

OK - Now I get it....

[sandman!]

[Socks]

This dude gets results.

[JuicyBunny]

Great news. Just sent email before seeing this.

[Nautilus]

We've already signed this agreement, FerroCash is now officially represented by Copycontrol

[CaptainHowdy]

We love you, AdultKing ...

[DamianJ]

Finally, it makes sense.

Nice marketing.

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Small rights holders would pay around $500 per year (or $50 per month), Mid sized rights holder companies would pay around $1000 per year (or $100 per month) and large rights holders would pay around $3500 per year or ($350 per month).

Pro Tip: There are 12 months in a year

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

Pro Tip: There are 12 months in a year

Obviously I know this, however as we keep on saying our resources are limited. So if we only need to invoice someone once in twelve months rather than twelve times then we'll lower the fee to be able to spend more time on dealing with pirates and less time on administration of accounts.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Obviously I know this, however as we keep on saying our resources are limited. So if we only need to invoice someone once in twelve months rather than twelve times then we'll lower the fee to be able to spend more time on dealing with pirates and less time on administration of accounts.

Sign up with freshbooks.com - they will automatically send out recurring invoices for you. It's a life saver. Totally brilliant service. Been using them for years.

[Nautilus]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

Pro Tip: There are 12 months in a year

Ever heard of volume discounts?

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Sign up with freshbooks.com - they will automatically send out recurring invoices for you. It's a life saver. Totally brilliant service. Been using them for years.

We use Xero, there's still effort involved if people don't pay their invoices and you need to chase them, as I already explained we'd prefer to be dealing with pirates than dealing with accounts.

[lucas131]

looks like good job you do, keep it up and have luck!

[AdultKing]

I'll be available for the next eight hours or so to talk to anyone who is interested in becoming represented.

I'm on Skype: robert.king
ICQ: 19051100

or you can email me at members -at- copycontrol.org if you want to ask any questions or arrange a phone meeting.

[helterskelter808]

Who says there's no money in piracy.

[seeandsee]

So KOFL project is still active in same power?

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

Who says there's no money in piracy.

There's plenty of money in piracy for the pirates. This is why it's such a big problem, if there was no money in it then there would be a lot less piracy.

However if you're insinuating that we make a buck out of this effort then you're wrong.

Nobody has been paid for the work we do other than the lawyers and accountants or similar service providers we engage.

This is expensive, time consuming work. Every month we have to find the money to keep going and every month we barely make it to the next. I've already placed on the public record in the Stop File Lockers thread what is involved.

Right now for us to achieve better outcomes we need to become representative. We need rights holders to enter into a non exclusive representation agreement with us so we can do the following things:

1. Issue written correspondence to third parties (?Infringers?) who are infringing the Owner?s IP, including but not limited to, DMCA take down notices, infringement notices and/or cease and desist letters;

2. Request that third parties, including without limitation, payment processors, web hosting companies, ISPs, DNS server providers and domain registrars (?Service Providers?), take necessary steps to prevent infringement of the rights embodied in the Owner?s IP, including without limitation shutting down Infringers? websites or merchant facilities on Infringers? websites;

3. Make complaints to and liaise with law enforcement bodies with regard to infringement of the rights embodied in the Owner?s IP;

4. Generally represent the Owner to commercial, non profit and government bodies with respect to the ownership and protection of the Owner?s IP;

5. Undertake other reasonable steps as Copy Control considers necessary to prevent or cease infringement of the rights embodied in the Owner?s IP.

If rights holders want a chance to put a stop to this ridiculous cycle of piracy that has gone unchecked for so long then they should take this opportunity to have their rights enforced by a team of dedicated, selfless, hard working and committed anti-piracy activists.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by seeandsee

So KOFL project is still active in same power?

It is but we're widening the scope of what we are doing, because to get the big guys we need rights holders willing to stand up and be counted.

[helterskelter808]

Are you going after tube sites?

[LeRoy]

Nice move!!

I'll be in touch

[davethedope]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

There's plenty of money in piracy for the pirates. This is why it's such a big problem, if there was no money in it then there would be a lot less piracy.

However if you're insinuating that we make a buck out of this effort then you're wrong.

Nobody has been paid for the work we do other than the lawyers and accountants or similar service providers we engage.

This is expensive, time consuming work. Every month we have to find the money to keep going and every month we barely make it to the next. I've already placed on the public record in the Stop File Lockers thread what is involved.

Right now for us to achieve better outcomes we need to become representative. We need rights holders to enter into a non exclusive representation agreement with us so we can do the following things:

1. Issue written correspondence to third parties (?Infringers?) who are infringing the Owner?s IP, including but not limited to, DMCA take down notices, infringement notices and/or cease and desist letters;

2. Request that third parties, including without limitation, payment processors, web hosting companies, ISPs, DNS server providers and domain registrars (?Service Providers?), take necessary steps to prevent infringement of the rights embodied in the Owner?s IP, including without limitation shutting down Infringers? websites or merchant facilities on Infringers? websites;

3. Make complaints to and liaise with law enforcement bodies with regard to infringement of the rights embodied in the Owner?s IP;

4. Generally represent the Owner to commercial, non profit and government bodies with respect to the ownership and protection of the Owner?s IP;

5. Undertake other reasonable steps as Copy Control considers necessary to prevent or cease infringement of the rights embodied in the Owner?s IP.

If rights holders want a chance to put a stop to this ridiculous cycle of piracy that has gone unchecked for so long then they should take this opportunity to have their rights enforced by a team of dedicated, selfless, hard working and committed anti-piracy activists.

Say I do 3500 a year program.

That's money spent.

I have to assume I'm still going to lose at least 3500 due to indirect piracy anyway.

What's the difference if it's through direct piracy of my content or not?

It's not like I'm going to make 3500 back because of anti-piracy efforts.

That being said, I can see how your actions and anti-piracy itself is limited without actual rights holders making the effort you make or being repped by you directly.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by davethedope

Say I do 3500 a year program.

That's money spent.

I have to assume I'm still going to lose at least 3500 due to indirect piracy anyway.

If you are at the 3.5k level you are likely losing an order of magnitude greater than that in piracy.

What's the difference if it's through direct piracy of my content or not?

It's not like I'm going to make 3500 back because of anti-piracy efforts.

You will stem the cost though, because if you were being infringed on the more than 100 sites that are now offline due to our efforts then you've just had a lot of freeloaders cut off.

That being said, I can see how your actions and anti-piracy itself is limited without actual rights holders making the effort you make or being repped by you directly.

You've got a much better chance of participating in a case against cashed up pirates if we can build cases based on your infringements and the infringements of others.

It may not be obvious but we're building well researched files on many large piracy operations, there will come a point where we say to our represented rights holders that we think there's a case here and give them the opportunity to pursue it.

You would also have to be a really large rights holder to pay a $3.5k representation fee, in that class you'd be owning thousands of copyright works worth millions of dollars.

The bottom line is this fight has a cost and the people who are wearing most of the cost right now are the people fighting tooth and nail to protect your content because there's no profit in this, none whatsoever.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by davethedope

Say I do 3500 a year program.

That's money spent.

I have to assume I'm still going to lose at least 3500 due to indirect piracy anyway.

What's the difference if it's through direct piracy of my content or not?

It's not like I'm going to make 3500 back because of anti-piracy efforts.

That being said, I can see how your actions and anti-piracy itself is limited without actual rights holders making the effort you make or being repped by you directly.

In 2012 fighting piracy is a cost of doing business you must assume.

Make your content scare on piracy sites and people will sign up.

A lot of folks in this industry have a hard time believing it is true but stats prove it.

[helterskelter808]

So do I take it the answer is no, you are not going to go after stolen content on tubes?

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

We are now readying to expand our efforts, however we will only be successful if content owners and rights holders get on board. With support we can make a difference and seriously impact piracy, we have the experience and the know how to hit piracy where it hurts.

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

So do I take it the answer is no, you are not going to go after stolen content on tubes?

If you spent less time trolling and more time reading you'd know the answer.

To make it clear for you, once we're fully geared up we'll be going after all forms of piracy. However we'll be finishing the file lockers project as a priority.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

However if you're insinuating that we make a buck out of this effort then you're wrong.

Hang on, so this new venture is non profit?

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Hang on, so this new venture is non profit?

Firstly it's not a new venture, Copy Control was formed very early on as the vehicle to run this effort (it's documented in the interview I did with AVN at the very beginning)

Secondly we operate on a cost recovery basis only, there's no profit, if there is an operating surplus it will go back into furthering the anti piracy effort.

As a matter of record, we're a long way from even recovering costs.

[ottopottomouse]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

Pro Tip: There are 12 months in a year

You've never seen different prices for paying monthly and paying annually before?

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

If you spent less time trolling and more time reading you'd know the answer.

To make it clear for you, once we're fully geared up we'll be going after all forms of piracy. However we'll be finishing the file lockers project as a priority.

If I hadn't read that post, I wouldn't have asked the question; you could have made it clear by just answering Yes or No. And save your whining about "trolling". You have so far totally ignored what is easily the biggest and most widely used source of stolen content, so its an entirely reasonable question given your vague talk of 'expansion'.

[davethedope]

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

If I hadn't read that post, I wouldn't have asked the question; you could have made it clear by just answering Yes or No. And save your whining about "trolling". You have so far totally ignored what is easily the biggest and most widely used source of stolen content, so its an entirely reasonable question given your vague talk of 'expansion'.

On a given day, we can say at least tubes get 2mil uv. If you combine that number with the uvs of forums and torrents and misc. outlets, that number becomes even bigger.

How can a site owner or copyright owner properly quantify the amount lost with those kinds of statistics?

For small programs and programs with licensed content, the indirect effect of piracy is much greater than direct piracy of content.

At $500 a year, at least, I can't see how that would have any impact on membership sales. I mean what can you expect for a little over a dollar a day that can't be recouped by 1 dollar a day more spent in marketing?

That comes to about 16 memberships over the course of a year.

As for filelockers themselves, are they not dependent on the outlets more than the locker itself?

I cant get passed the fact an organization like copycontrol is necessary in theory, however, it seems like it should be organized not as an enterprise, but as a voluntary association, with voluntary donations or dues with privilages, with transparent record keeping.

Basically, the problem seems to be greater than one owner's own content.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Firstly it's not a new venture, Copy Control was formed very early on as the vehicle to run this effort (it's documented in the interview I did with AVN at the very beginning)

Secondly we operate on a cost recovery basis only, there's no profit, if there is an operating surplus it will go back into furthering the anti piracy effort.

As a matter of record, we're a long way from even recovering costs.

Sorry, my bad, as you are advertising for customers now I assumed it was new.

And that's brilliant. You should put all the automatic DMCA sending software companies out of business. Who'd want to pay one of them to do not very much when they can pay you to actually achieve something. Congrats and good luck!

[SplatterMaster]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

And that's brilliant. You should put all the automatic DMCA sending software companies out of business. Who'd want to pay one of them to do not very much when they can pay you to actually achieve something. Congrats and good luck!

I don?t think it works that way. The way I see it, you still use the same process you have been using for takedown. You?re just adding CC to the loop. CC wont seek out content and send DMCA.
I could be wrong though.

[TheSquealer]

This is the part where the greatest irony of this business reveals itself... response will be unexpectedly low, not because no one wants to fight piracy, but because few want to risk losing the excuse of piracy for failure.

[signupdamnit]

It's a good idea. Just a suggestion. Consider offering some free services to very small content owners as a gesture of goodwill and to get your foot in the door. These are the ones getting screwed the most because they lack the resources to fight back. I bet many would appreciate it and you both can hopefully grow your businesses together where they can become paying customers.

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by davethedope

On a given day, we can say at least tubes get 2mil uv. If you combine that number with the uvs of forums and torrents and misc. outlets, that number becomes even bigger.

How can a site owner or copyright owner properly quantify the amount lost with those kinds of statistics?

For small programs and programs with licensed content, the indirect effect of piracy is much greater than direct piracy of content.

At $500 a year, at least, I can't see how that would have any impact on membership sales. I mean what can you expect for a little over a dollar a day that can't be recouped by 1 dollar a day more spent in marketing?

That comes to about 16 memberships over the course of a year.

As for filelockers themselves, are they not dependent on the outlets more than the locker itself?

I cant get passed the fact an organization like copycontrol is necessary in theory, however, it seems like it should be organized not as an enterprise, but as a voluntary association, with voluntary donations or dues with privilages, with transparent record keeping.

Basically, the problem seems to be greater than one owner's own content.

If you're saying what I think you are, I agree. An association is needed, not another seemingly private enterprise (all of which, of course, have an obvious interest in not stopping what they're being paid to stop), and porn in general should start looking at how other industries operate, as well as start to take a more zero tolerance attitude generally towards shady practices in the industry.

Hollywood movies, TV shows and full length albums are available as torrents and on file lockers. Obviously measures should be taken to deal with those, but one thing you absolutely do not see is hosted tube sites dedicated to Hollywood movies, TV shows and full albums.

Sure there are albums and movies on Youtube, but unlike porn tubes it's a drop in the ocean compared to the overall content, they're regularly deleted, the accounts are banned, they are not found and updated on the front page and it's clearly not the focus or raison d'etre of the site.

Movies, TV and music are vastly more popular than porn, so why are there no tube sites dedicated to them? Why is it that porn does nothing to stop tubes, in fact quite the opposite, sucks off the people who run them, when it has been demonstrated by the MPAA and RIAA that, unlike torrents and file lockers which are more obscure and trickier to deal with, piracy tubes need not exist at all?

[Nautilus]

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

Hollywood movies, TV shows and full length albums are available as torrents and on file lockers. Obviously measures should be taken to deal with those, but one thing you absolutely do not see is hosted tube sites dedicated to Hollywood movies, TV shows and full albums.

Just shows how clueless you are. There are tons, gazillions, simply untold amounts of streaming video piracy sites featuring Hollywood movies and TV shows.

http://www.movie2k.to/Boardwalk-Empi...w-2092963.html

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by Nautilus

Just shows how clueless you are. There are tons, gazillions, simply untold amounts of streaming video piracy sites featuring Hollywood movies and TV shows.

http://www.movie2k.to/Boardwalk-Empi...w-2092963.html

Post 10 sites, out of the "gazillions" you know of, where they're hosting thousands of Hollywood movies.

[Nautilus]

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

Post 10 sites, out of the "gazillions" you know of, where they're hosting thousands of Hollywood movies.

And then what, are you going to admit your piracy apologist reasoning is completely unfounded? Are you going to admit your bashing of AK's efforts for what it is - an oustanding magnificient stupidity, not based on anything but completely made up idiotic assumptions such as that Hollywood is capable of effectively combatting streaming video piracy while adult industry is not? Are you going to admit you're pretending to be a webmaster while not even being able to search Google for something like "total recall stream" to see what's there for this keyword? But OK, I did it for you, enjoy (several randomly selected streaming links right off the first page).

http://www.solarmovie.eu/link/play/1053485/
http://www.movie2k.to/Total-Recall-o...m-2052842.html
http://streamcloud.eu/ryw1xu4o2zjf/a...al_r5.avi.html
http://kinox.to/Stream/Total_Recall-1.html
http://streamoviesfree.info/69/
http://www.vhivelivetv.info/2012/08/total-recall.html
http://www.putlocker.com/file/3A6B64ABE8680C50#
http://onlinemovieengine.com/watch/total-recall-2012

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by Nautilus

Ever heard of volume discounts?

Ah I see now what he meant... I misinterpretted it as for instance:
$500/year(meaning $50/mo) whereas he meant $500/year (or alternatively $50/mo)

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

You have so far totally ignored what is easily the biggest and most widely used source of stolen content, so its an entirely reasonable question given your vague talk of 'expansion'.

This issue has been addressed many times, I have spent an adequate amount of time placing on the public record why we chose file lockers to start with, I suggest you read up on it.

Originally Posted by davethedope

I cant get passed the fact an organization like copycontrol is necessary in theory, however, it seems like it should be organized not as an enterprise, but as a voluntary association, with voluntary donations or dues with privilages, with transparent record keeping.

I've been down this path twice before, the first time was in June 2011 when I tried to get people involved in a non profit association to fight all forms of piracy. In the end I managed to get around three people on board and it fizzled entirely.

The second time was this year within the scope of the Stop File Lockers project. The insurmountable problem is that people have good intentions but just don't have the time to invest in the required work to get such an organisation to fly.

Originally Posted by SplatterMaster

I don?t think it works that way. The way I see it, you still use the same process you have been using for takedown. You?re just adding CC to the loop. CC wont seek out content and send DMCA.
I could be wrong though.

Correct, I dealt with this in the OP. Representation by Copy Control is not a replacement for your current DMCA arrangements, rather it's complimentary to them.

We do very different things all with the aim of shutting down the site on which deliberate commercial infringement exists or mitigating further infringement where site owners legitimately didn't know infringement was occurring.

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

It's a good idea. Just a suggestion. Consider offering some free services to very small content owners as a gesture of goodwill and to get your foot in the door. These are the ones getting screwed the most because they lack the resources to fight back. I bet many would appreciate it and you both can hopefully grow your businesses together where they can become paying customers.

I'd encourage very small rights holders to get in touch with us as we're bending over backwards to ensure that financial considerations don't stop anyone from getting represented.

If you have a cash flow issue or cannot afford to spend any more in a very tight market then contact us at members -at- copycontrol.org and we'll work with you to get you covered.

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

If you're saying what I think you are, I agree. An association is needed, not another seemingly private enterprise (all of which, of course, have an obvious interest in not stopping what they're being paid to stop), and porn in general should start looking at how other industries operate, as well as start to take a more zero tolerance attitude generally towards shady practices in the industry.

Where were you last year when this was tried before ? Where were you this year when we were asking for volunteers to help us get all this going ? It's really easy to talk on a forum, if you're willing to put your money where your mouth is get in touch with me.

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by Nautilus

And then what, are you going to admit your piracy apologist reasoning is completely unfounded?

Where have I apologized for piracy? On the contrary, I'm wondering why people like you are apparently so against going after the main stolen content sites, namely tubes.

Are you going to admit your bashing of AK's efforts for what it is - an oustanding magnificient stupidity, not based on anything but completely made up idiotic assumptions such as that Hollywood is capable of effectively combatting streaming video piracy while adult industry is not?

If they're not effective, why is there not one single tube doing for movies what many tubes do for porn? Here's another task for you, to help you understand this simple point:

Post just one tube site dedicated to stolen Hollywood movies that other people in the film industry are supporting with advertising. An impossible task, of course, because we both know Hollywood doesn't financially support movie piracy websites, and we both know who is only too happy to -> the adult industry.

Are you going to admit you're pretending to be a webmaster while not even being able to search Google for something like "total recall stream" to see what's there for this keyword? But OK, I did it for you, enjoy (several randomly selected streaming links right off the first page).

[bunch of irrelevant webpages with embedded videos snipped]

Are you going to admit you don't know the difference between a tube that hosts videos, and wilfully allows uploads of stolen content, and pages that simply embed videos that happen to be hosted elsewhere? All those sites do is make it even easier for Hollywood to locate and kill off the files where it matters, where they're hosted.

As I have patiently explained to you, whereas there are many porn tubes that survive on allowing people to upload stolen content, and having people within the adult industry support them, there is not a single equivalent site for stolen content from Hollywood. Why? Because it's fucking lunacy to allow such a thing and they can be stopped.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

Where have I apologized for piracy? On the contrary, I'm wondering why people like you are apparently so against going after the main stolen content sites, namely tubes.

Are you a rights holder ? Do you have something of value to add to this thread or are you simply here to derail it ?

I started this thread to help rights holders become represented by Copy Control so that we can progress the fight against piracy, not for people on the sidelines to carp and bicker about where we should have begun dealing with the monumental issue of piracy.

We started with file lockers, as has been stated many times before there were reasons for that, I am not about to rehash them in this thread, go and read my many previous public statements on the matter.

Now that is out the way, I am asking rights holders to become represented by us so we can progress and widen our efforts. We need to polish off the file locker eco system however to be successful we need rights holders to stand up and be counted.

What we do is actively enforce your rights by working with web hosting companies, payment processing companies, banks, card associations, advertising networks and other service providers to have them stop working with the pirates and their sites.

Where organisations are un-cooperative we have a number of legal strategies that we employ to gain compliance.

We also liaise with law enforcement agencies and other government agencies to mitigate piracy on your behalf.

To get your company , brand or content represented by Copy Control we ask that you fill out this simple form.

http://copycontrol.org/get-represented/

once you fill out this form I will send you a copy of our rights-holder representation agreement for you to sign and return back to us.

you can also read about what representation will do for you at

http://copycontrol.org/services/

We work on a cost recovery basis so the fees for representation are quite low and if you can't afford them we'll work with you to come up with a fee which suits your budget. Small rights holders would pay around $500 per year (or $50 per month), Mid sized rights holder companies would pay around $1000 per year (or $100 per month) and large rights holders would pay around $3500 per year or ($350 per month).

This is very expensive and labor intensive work, we need to charge fees to recover the costs of what we are doing.

Representation is non exclusive. Becoming represented by Copy Control should not impact any other relationships you have with DMCA agents, legal services, attorneys or investigators. We are a complimentary service to all of these types of organisations.

If you have any questions about becoming represented by us please email me at members -at- copycontrol.org

[adultmobile]

If you're finally succeding to expose advertisers of piracy sites to prosecution you will be less popular in GFY.

There's a lot of cam, dating programs in GFY, including some with paid advertising banners in GFY or running contests here, who are doing direct b2b prepaid advertising spot deals with sites made 50% or more of so called stolen content. Either in file locker or flash player streaming formats, plus a few traffic and banner ad networks and brokers who trade in ads around embeddings of those same content (esp. streaming one in tubes).
I know this since I purchased traffic in same places and dealt with same sellers, who normally told me who they sold to and in what terms.

Just saying.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

There's a lot of cam, dating programs in GFY, including some with paid advertising banners in GFY or running contests here, who are doing direct b2b prepaid advertising spot deals with sites made 50% or more of so called stolen content.

Time for those businesses to clean up their act and unwind from their dealings with pirates.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

Post just one tube site dedicated to stolen Hollywood movies that other people in the film industry are supporting with advertising. An impossible task, of course, because we both know Hollywood doesn't financially support movie piracy websites, and we both know who is only too happy to -> the adult industry.

youtube.com

search for "full movie"=14.000.000 results

other people in the film industry post shit on youtube and directly support and advertise it

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

youtube.com

search for "full movie"=14.000.000 results

other people in the film industry post shit on youtube and directly support and advertise it

That's many full movies in youtube but is is still 0.001% of the total content in the site. Compete with a site where full movie is 80% of total content.

[SmutHammer]

email sent

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

email sent

replied.