CCbill - You're processing for "illegal materials" on filefactory

[AdultEUhost]

I thought to be fair and give CCBill an email about this prior to making this thread so they could act on it, after all the goal is to get these filelockers without billing instead of talking bad about ccbill.

So I sent the screenshots and full links to Tom Fisher of CCBill.
In return I got a nice email stating that if I was sending them information about underage models, it would be illegal for me to do so and they are going to report me to the FBI.

Let's hope the power of GFY can do more then a single individual.

My Email:

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Hi Thomas,

In regards to the recent piracy and child-porn related websites, here are a few more.

Screenshots are attached.
Full links include [NOT FOR PUBLISHING] and [NOT FOR PUBLISHING] for example

They process through CCBill.
I hope you can put this to a stop, if you need any additional information, feel free to contact me.

Leon

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In return I got:

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If what you are sending me is underage models, please be advised that it is Illegal for you to do so and we will as always report it to the FBI and the Cyber Tip line which is what you should do instead of sending emails.

Tom fisher

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[HighlyIntoxicated]

Looks like gfy is going to have to post a thread about every file locker site using ccbill before anything is done.

What a fucking response from Tom. It's about time someone reported him and his company to the fbi for processing cp.


I wonder if some of the higher ups in ccbill own these file lockers..

[BlackCrayon]

file lockers are widely used by pedo's...anyone in the biz knows this and so does ccbill. fucking disgusting..

[HighlyIntoxicated]

I bet it'd be great for ccbill if this info was sent to news station that do special interest pieces, such as Anderson Cooper.

[AdultEUhost]

Originally Posted by HighlyIntoxicated

I bet it'd be great for ccbill if this info was sent to news station that do special interest pieces, such as Anderson Cooper.

Well great start for AVN or Xbiz I would say

[TheSenator]

Waiting for the official canned statement.....

It seems like CCBill is making a shit load of cash before exiting....

[Konda]

Originally Posted by HighlyIntoxicated

I bet it'd be great for ccbill if this info was sent to news station that do special interest pieces, such as Anderson Cooper.

No, because there are 100s or even 1000s of hardworking honest webmasters that use CCBILL to make a living.

I think the only way to go is to continue with what's being done now. A new thread with proof of cp references for every filelocker site that uses ccbill and people threatening to report it to visa/mastercard. It seems to work.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by Konda

No, because there are 100s or even 1000s of hardworking honest webmasters that use CCBILL to make a living.

I think the only way to go is to continue with what's being done now. A new thread with proof of cp references for every filelocker site that uses ccbill and people threatening to report it to visa/mastercard. It seems to work.

yeah and once people think they've 'won' and move on to something else, they'll probably take them right back again.

[CamTata]

[QUOTE=AdultEUhost;19001634]
If what you are sending me is underage models, please be advised that it is Illegal for you to do so and we will as always report it to the FBI and the Cyber Tip line which is what you should do instead of sending emails.

Tom fisher


One wonders how someone so dimwitted got hire in the first place. I am glad to see the Peter Principle is alive and well.

[spunky99]

[adendreams]

Hi CCbill! We know you're reading this - have a nice day!

[looky_lou]

Nice to see CCbill is so open to getting information that will help them protect their business with Visa and MC.

Pathetic.

[AdultEUhost]

For what's it worth, all of these sites are hosted with leaseweb

Uploaded.to
Filefactory.com
Megaupload.com
Oron.com

[papill0n]

ccbill is gonna go down - you can fucking guarantee it

[Tjeezers]

Fuck them... If i associate myself with these scumbags, I am nothing better then the asshole who uses them to cash in on this sick thing.

I am so happy I do not have pay sites running on CCbill I would throw up instantly!!

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by papill0n

ccbill is gonna go down - you can fucking guarantee it

and if/when they do, tons of people are gonna..

[sandman!]

[DukeSkywalker]

well at least you know you buy some questionable content & ccbill will aid you in disputing your chargeback. I'm a glass half full kind of guy.
ds

[shake]

As I use CCBill for my paysites, I'm glad they've been shutting down these sites billing so quickly, but I really think it's time they take a serious look at shutting down ALL of their filelocker sites billing before it gets posted on GFY.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

Waiting for the official canned statement.....

It seems like CCBill is making a shit load of cash before exiting....

I hate to say it but that's what I'm thinking too. It's like the floodgates opened in the last couple months on processing for these sites. They also have a very successful hosting business. I wouldn't be surprised to see a sale if it hasn't already happened.

[Brujah]

lol @ CCBill Tom.

Yes, guys.. please remember it is illegal to send CCBill links to sites that they are processing for.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by papill0n

ccbill is gonna go down - you can fucking guarantee it

I wonder if the CCBill upper management looks good in pink underwear?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Pink_underwear

You couldn't pay me enough to process for a file locker while residing in that man's jurisdiction. No fucking way. I think they've gone nuts.

[T34K1DD]

Wow... Tom is an ass hat

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by AdultEUhost

Hi Thomas,

In regards to the recent piracy and child-porn related websites, here are a few more.

Screenshots are attached.
Full links include [NOT FOR PUBLISHING] and [NOT FOR PUBLISHING] for example

They process through CCBill.
I hope you can put this to a stop, if you need any additional information, feel free to contact me.

Leon

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In return I got:

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If what you are sending me is underage models, please be advised that it is Illegal for you to do so and we will as always report it to the FBI and the Cyber Tip line which is what you should do instead of sending emails.

Tom fisher

IMHO, you are being an asshole.

Here's why...

Your email said it was about CP & contained screen shots which were not meant for publishing etc... Any reasonable person would think twice before opening the screen cap attachments after receiving an email like this. Clearly Tom didn't open them. Instead, he replied to you and stated "If what you are sending me...." He then went on to tell you the proper way to report the site in question.

At this point you had the option to reply to him and tell him that the screen caps in fact do not contain CP. Instead you came here and starting bitching about CCBill.

Had your email been more clear as to the contents of the attachments or had you replied and assured Tom that they were not of CP images, I'll bet you would have received a different response.

Quit being a dick and learn how to communicate properly.

[NaughtyRob]

I agree with this.
Give them a chance before "reporting" them here.

Originally Posted by AaronM

IMHO, you are being an asshole.

Here's why...

Your email said it was about CP & contained screen shots which were not meant for publishing etc... Any reasonable person would think twice before opening the screen cap attachments after receiving an email like this. Clearly Tom didn't open them. Instead, he replied to you and stated "If what you are sending me...." He then went on to tell you the proper way to report the site in question.

At this point you had the option to reply to him and tell him that the screen caps in fact do not contain CP. Instead you came here and starting bitching about CCBill.

Had your email been more clear as to the contents of the attachments or had you replied and assured Tom that they were not of CP images, I'll bet you would have received a different response.

Quit being a dick and learn how to communicate properly.

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by AaronM

IMHO, you are being an asshole.

Here's why...

Your email said it was about CP & contained screen shots which were not meant for publishing etc... Any reasonable person would think twice before opening the screen cap attachments after receiving an email like this. Clearly Tom didn't open them. Instead, he replied to you and stated "If what you are sending me...." He then went on to tell you the proper way to report the site in question.

At this point you had the option to reply to him and tell him that the screen caps in fact do not contain CP. Instead you came here and starting bitching about CCBill.

Had your email been more clear as to the contents of the attachments or had you replied and assured Tom that they were not of CP images, I'll bet you would have received a different response.

Quit being a dick and learn how to communicate properly.

[SAC]

ccbill is pathetic, this stuff is indefensible

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by AdultEUhost

ASACP Attends Phoenix Forum, CCBill Becomes Newest Corporate Sponsor

LOS ANGELES (April 12, 2012) — The Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection (ASACP), is excited to announce that it has once again participated in The Phoenix Forum, held from March 29 to April 1, in Tempe, Ariz.; and that Forum host CCBill has become its newest Corporate Sponsor.

Returning to the Tempe Mission Palms hotel, The Phoenix Forum is a three-day event that provides adult webmasters and service providers from around the world with a wide variety of networking, educational and promotional opportunities.

Supporting more than 32,000 websites since 1998, CCBill’s online processing services provide a full-featured, ready-to-use solution that gets websites selling quickly and easily.

http://www.asacp.com/index.php?conte...porate+Sponsor

I missed the news. Congratulations to CCBill and the Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection (ASACP) for CCBill recently becoming a corporate sponsor in April.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Brujah

lol @ CCBill Tom.

Yes, guys.. please remember it is illegal to send CCBill links to sites that they are processing for.

.

[ninavain]

Originally Posted by Tjeezers

Fuck them... If i associate myself with these scumbags, I am nothing better then the asshole who uses them to cash in on this sick thing.

I am so happy I do not have pay sites running on CCbill I would throw up instantly!!

[Brad Mitchell]

Toms reaction sounds probably much more horrible than it actually was. Leon did the right thing and kudos to him. We need to balance this with red flags going up - policy, procedure and US law. If any email like that came into MojoHost myself and business partner would have been alerted and our legal counsel Corey Silverstein would have reported to Missing and Exploited Children the URL, any evidence would have been preserved, online access removed all in some sort of order. Counsel also would have handled all of our communication to authorities and our customer. Leon and everyone you have to realize that the reality of such complaints scares the shit out of everyone, employees and owners alike.

While Toms response didn't include a thank you or any other detailed information about what might potentially have been all of their next steps or work in progress, I have a hard time believing that a proper response wouldn't have followed and unbeknownst to any notifying party. I sure hope so, anyway. I'm seeing all of these threads and still scratching my head about how they made it through initial or ongoing compliance.

Good work, Leon. I'm just baffled by the existence of all this. Whatever policies didn't keep these web sites away I am sincerely hopeful that they are discovered and completely shut down by every billing and hosting company that facilitates their existence.

What are the laws in the EU or Holland which would render that web host responsible for ceasing service? What authority is supposed to get notified? Perhaps Tim from ASACP can shed some light on the subject.

Brad

[ninavain]

something don't smell right

[rowan]

Question. If Visa and MC are so anal about specific content on an adult paysite, why on earth are they allowing processing for a site that has ANY and ALL types of content on it?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by rowan

Question. If Visa and MC are so anal about specific content on an adult paysite, why on earth are they allowing processing for a site that has ANY and ALL types of content on it?

They would shit if they saw the screen captures of their logos as payment options for cp.

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[rowan]

QUIZ TIME!

1) The chance of finding CP or other illegal content on an adult paysite.......

2) The chance of finding CP or other illegal content on a file locker site........

Which do you think is more probable?

[brassmonkey]

somebody is going to get banned

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by rowan

QUIZ TIME!

1) The chance of finding CP or other illegal content on an adult paysite.......

2) The chance of finding CP or other illegal content on a file locker site........

Which do you think is more probable?

The chance of finding CP on a user submitted porn site would the highest.

.

[V_RocKs]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

The chance of finding CP on a user submitted porn site would the highest.

.

true dat

[EukerVoorn]

Awesome post Leon. Seems that the good peeps in this industry aren't taking the shit anymore and finally showing their teeth
I'm glad I don't use CCBill. Wouldn't want to have any links with a company so openly processing payments for child pornography sites.

[JosephFM]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

I wonder if the CCBill upper management looks good in pink underwear?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Pink_underwear

You couldn't pay me enough to process for a file locker while residing in that man's jurisdiction. No fucking way. I think they've gone nuts.

http://www.mcso.org/

[EukerVoorn]

Originally Posted by AdultEUhost

For what's it worth, all of these sites are hosted with leaseweb

Uploaded.to
Filefactory.com
Megaupload.com
Oron.com

http://www.aboutlswb.org

[DWB]

Originally Posted by AdultEUhost

In return I got:

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If what you are sending me is underage models, please be advised that it is Illegal for you to do so and we will as always report it to the FBI and the Cyber Tip line which is what you should do instead of sending emails.

Tom fisher

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I just woke up today to an email from CCbill telling me to not send them links to the illegal content, not even via ICQ, as it is illegal. They thanked me for helping, but said I could not send them links to the content.

So... we have no option but to keep it pubic.

My head is spinning on this one.

Originally Posted by NaughtyRob

I agree with this.
Give them a chance before "reporting" them here.

Read my post above. CCbill isn't going to deal with it privately.

[Thomas007]

Originally Posted by EukerVoorn

http://www.aboutlswb.org

I'm looking forward to read that.

[Pornopat]

Originally Posted by AaronM

IMHO, you are being an asshole.

Here's why...

Your email said it was about CP & contained screen shots which were not meant for publishing etc... Any reasonable person would think twice before opening the screen cap attachments after receiving an email like this. Clearly Tom didn't open them. Instead, he replied to you and stated "If what you are sending me...." He then went on to tell you the proper way to report the site in question.

At this point you had the option to reply to him and tell him that the screen caps in fact do not contain CP. Instead you came here and starting bitching about CCBill.

Had your email been more clear as to the contents of the attachments or had you replied and assured Tom that they were not of CP images, I'll bet you would have received a different response.

Quit being a dick and learn how to communicate properly.

IMHO you are being the asshole.
When somebody points out that you process cp the whole tone of an email should be different. Humble instead of beligerent like Thomas did. Telling him that he will be reported to the FBI is an asshole act and if you agree with this then you are an asshole as well.

A better reply by Thomas would have been;

Thank you for pointing this out to us.
Offcourse we do not allow our ourganisation to be used for this kind of horrible actions.
I do not want to open and I am not allowed to open the screenshots but I have forwarded them to the proper channels.
I trust they will let me know the contents and if needed we will offcourse put an end to this right away.
I would appreciate it if anything else would be sent to the fbi and cybertip directly.
Here are the email adresses

Kind regards
Thomas

[EukerVoorn]

Originally Posted by Thomas007

I'm looking forward to read that.

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1049307

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by Pornopat

IMHO you are being the asshole.
When somebody points out that you process cp the whole tone of an email should be different. Humble instead of beligerent like Thomas did. Telling him that he will be reported to the FBI is an asshole act and if you agree with this then you are an asshole as well.

A better reply by Thomas would have been;

Thank you for pointing this out to us.
Offcourse we do not allow our ourganisation to be used for this kind of horrible actions.
I do not want to open and I am not allowed to open the screenshots but I have forwarded them to the proper channels.
I trust they will let me know the contents and if needed we will offcourse put an end to this right away.
I would appreciate it if anything else would be sent to the fbi and cybertip directly.
Here are the email adresses

Kind regards
Thomas

QFT.

I am amazed at the people who are backing ccbill here. Have you not read the identical thread yesterday.

Horrific content monetized by ccbill yesterday. More of the same today.

If they cannot get their house in order then they deserve everything that is coming to them.

The OP tried to warn them of what was happening (even though it is their responsibility to be aware of what they are billing) and you fools have the audacity to call the Op an asshole. Unreal.

When the Oron issue was pointed out to CCbill they publically argued that it was not a problem until webmasters went straight to visa and mastercard. (on another board)

I cannot believe that the top level of this company is not all over this issue.

[lucas131]

wow, so someone informed ccbill that they are processin p*do, and ccbill replied that they will send the reporter to fbi for sending pedo? do i see that right? if yes, this man at ccbill have really nothing else than shit in his head. is this kid serious? oh, wow ... wow ... what? wait, really is it like that? this ccbill guy needs to be kicked into the balls, what a stupid asshole ... nothing against ccbill, just this reply is like from some fucked up p*do supporting pervert ... what a dumb idiot ...

[Roald]

Originally Posted by Pornopat

IMHO you are being the asshole.
When somebody points out that you process cp the whole tone of an email should be different. Humble instead of beligerent like Thomas did. Telling him that he will be reported to the FBI is an asshole act and if you agree with this then you are an asshole as well.

A better reply by Thomas would have been;

Thank you for pointing this out to us.
Offcourse we do not allow our ourganisation to be used for this kind of horrible actions.
I do not want to open and I am not allowed to open the screenshots but I have forwarded them to the proper channels.
I trust they will let me know the contents and if needed we will offcourse put an end to this right away.
I would appreciate it if anything else would be sent to the fbi and cybertip directly.
Here are the email adresses

Kind regards
Thomas

Thank you for writing that out for me.

+1

[EukerVoorn]

Originally Posted by Pornopat

IMHO you are being the asshole.
When somebody points out that you process cp the whole tone of an email should be different. Humble instead of beligerent like Thomas did. Telling him that he will be reported to the FBI is an asshole act and if you agree with this then you are an asshole as well.

As a payment processor he knows the Visa and MasterCard rules. Then when someone tells you that your company may be involved with the distribution of CP, and sends screengrabs showing the "12 year old" etc comment, you immediately close down the account for that website. Writing he didn't want to click on links or watch any videos is just an excuse for not wanting to do anything.

ANYBODY can click on any link to CP in order to check whether the file really is CP, and then report it to the FBI or police immediately. It's then obvious that you had to click on the link in order to be able to report it to the police. If you would click on it, and view it or download it and NOT report it to the police, you could get into huge trouble. How on earth can CP get reported to authorities if nobody would ever click on a link/open it etc?

[webgurl]

Several years ago I tried reporting to CCbill about a Japanese sponsor that were/is using stollen content and processing with them. I told them to check their licenses for their content as well with 2257 info - CCbill didn't do anything. As their sites are still up today and processing with them still. But yet they rejected one of my pay sites for a spanking site because the "bum" on a model was too red and looked painful on the girl. It's so silly....