Israel:while the world is distracted by the world cup lets bomb the fuck out of gaza!"

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

Muslims are a disease that should be wiped out

Same goes for christians or any religion for that matter. Every war is always fought over religion.

Bunch of retards that believe that their Magical man in the sky is better than the other magical man.

Once people realize there is no god or gods maybe the world can be at peace.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by oppoten

I wasn't defending the unionists, and I didn't say that Jews have no right to the land.

I just think that there are fundamental flaws with the state of Israel, and with Zionism, that some change is needed. If tens of thousands of Jews are protesting then something's clearly not right. I also think there are wider issues with Zionism that go beyond that narrow strip of land.

There is a fundamental flaw with Zionism - reclaiming a homeland that you were chased out from 2,000 years ago that was now surrounded by Arabs, the vast majority of whom are intolerant primitive religious Islamic lunatics. The Zionists knew this going in and were and still are prepared to die in the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine.

I don't believe the God that made the covenant with Abraham to give them the land exists. Jews made their own homelands all over Europe, to the vast majority of them a homeland in Palestine wasn't needed or wanted. Until the pogroms in Russia and then the Holocaust. For secular Jews it should not matter where the Jewish state exists, for orthodox Jews their belief is that the only return to Palestine will come with the Messiah.

I think the best solution after WWII for the Jews would have been the establishment of a Jewish state in the United States. Nevada in the 1940's had 110,247 people, Arizona and New Mexico had 500,000 people, basically the same small population that existed in Palestine.

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by Mutt

There is a fundamental flaw with Zionism - reclaiming a homeland that you were chased out from 2,000 years ago .

it exists elsewhere:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Greece

500 years is not so much for a country

[Cherry7]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

So what are your thoughts on the fact that this morning, Egypt proposed a truce, Israel agreed, and stopped bombing for 6 hours. Hamas didn't agree, and instead fired another 60 rockets in that time, (One of which horribly and ironically injured two Bedouin girls in Israel). Does Hamas want peace, or are they willing to have people die in order to make political hay? Why do they try to get people to NOT evacuate when Israel warns them where the next bomb is coming? I don't hate the Arabs in Gaza, but they sure did pick one peach of a government, didn't they?




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The Palestinians are a defeated people, that have no air force, no navy, no army. The Arab governments, right wing dictatorships, mouth slogans of support but our loyal to their US paymasters.

The Palestinians fighting are like the Jews in the Warsaw uprising, out gunned. They were also call terrorists.

Israel has the military and political power to do what it wants.

Two state solution, Just do it, hand the land back.

One state solution - end apartheid - make all equal citizens

Israel holds all the cards, but instead the settlements continue, the "Road Map" leads to nowhere, and the killing of Palestinians continues.

To tell the people without power that it is all their fault is the criminal blaming the victim.

I am not a supporter of Hamas, but I remember well how Israel nurtured the Islamic militants, how they did everything to destroy the secular PLO.

Conflict resolution is very easy, you stop demonising and killing your enemy and start talking to them and compromising with them. As you say if Israel can live with an Arab minority it should be possible to live with a Arab partner.

Just like the demonstrations against the Israeli actions have united Muslim Jew and atheist .

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

One state solution - end apartheid - make all equal citizens

Israel holds all the cards, but instead the settlements continue, the "Road Map" leads to nowhere, and the killing of Palestinians continues.

Conflict resolution is very easy, you stop demonising and killing your enemy and start talking to them and compromising with them. As you say if Israel can live with an Arab minority it should be possible to live with a Arab partner.

Just like the demonstrations against the Israeli actions have united Muslim Jew and atheist .

I guess you completely missed my long post about the history of what happened, the fact that the arabs that stayed in Israel became full citizens with all rights, and the ones that attacked and tried to wipe out Israel were, no surprise, NOT allowed to come back into the country and become citizens. That is not apartheid.

As for demonizing your enemy.... REALLY? Have you seen what is on kids programs and soap operas in the middle east, calling jews vampires and praising people for murdering jewish civilians? Find me that equivalent in Israel, or anywhere....

....never mind. I guess we have to agree to disagree. What does make me sad is that the Jews in Europe who are protesting to have Israel eliminated, (and that is the end game here), will have NO WHERE to go, when the European governments turn their backs on them yet again, and the forced conversions/pogroms/deportations/killings begin again.

And it will be too late at that point. There will be no safe place to run to.



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[Barry-xlovecam]

Bugsy Segal and Meyer Lansky tried Nevada ...
New Mexico had a problem with being renamed to "New Judah".

The Zionist immigration to the region of Palestine (note that I say region -- Palestine was never a country) began in 1882 -- not WWII. What happened after WWII was the world trying to resettle displaced Jewish inmates of Hitler's concentration camps.

The Balfour Declaration (it its entirety)

Foreign Office
November 2nd, 1917

Dear Lord Rothschild,

I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely,
Arthur James Balfour

If you want to blame, or credit, someone with the resulting at hand dilemma -- blame the British Foreign Office! The Balfour Declaration envisioned seperate homelands within a post WWI British mandate of the Palistine region of the Turkish Ottoman Empire's vanquished lands that the British were to be Mandate of.


Religious historical belief ruled the day. Most of the European born refugees and settlers in Israel have no linage that would justify claim to the "Holy Lands". Only some of the Sephardic Jews that immigrated from the Arab lands are direct descents of the biblical Jews -- there is sufficient archaeological and historical (non biblical) evidence of their existence there.

The world needed a place to put the Jews, whether out of guilt or convenience, following WWII and its concentration camps and the Holocaust of the Jewish people. As for the other peoples murdered in Hitler's scheme: the survivors when liberated returned to their respective homelands. No county wanted to accept the Jewish survivors, much as every county refused to accept the Jewish refugees en masse during WWII, so the State of Israel was created along with a Palistinian Homeland (i.e.; country) as a nation.

The rest is history. Two peoples with no compromise solution.

Turning to today

Looking at the past couple of days: the PA's Abbas negotiates a cease fire in Gaza on behalf of his former enemy and new found coalition partner -- Hamas, whose leadership will not come out of their hidden bunkers to negotitate a deal in Cairo with Egypt's Sisi led government. Former General Sisi, now the elected President of Egypt, who would just as soon annihilate Hamas as they are trying to do with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt -- the same Muslim Brotherhood that were friends of Hamas and allowed the illegal importation of weapons, the new longer range Iranian and Syrian made missiles. A case of terrorists helping other terrorists. Now Hamas has only Iran and Syria on its side notwithstanding some misguided protesters around the world.

There may be no cease fire now and these are the reasons why. Making deals in a place like the Middle East usually turns out badly. The people suffer their own fate by the leaders they follow ... Probably until the end of time ...

[wehateporn]

UN - Up to 80% of fatalities in Israel?s bombing of Gaza are civilians

http://rt.com/news/172900-israel-gaza-civilians-un/

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

So what are your thoughts on the fact that this morning, Egypt proposed a truce, Israel agreed, and stopped bombing for 6 hours. Hamas didn't agree, and instead fired another 60 rockets in that time, (One of which horribly and ironically injured two Bedouin girls in Israel). Does Hamas want peace, or are they willing to have people die in order to make political hay? Why do they try to get people to NOT evacuate when Israel warns them where the next bomb is coming? I don't hate the Arabs in Gaza, but they sure did pick one peach of a government, didn't they?









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Michael - Hamas being an elected govt is a recent turn of events as you well know. (2007)

Israel has occupied Gaza and the West Bank since 1967. The military occupation has been forcefully resisted throughout this time. As you would expect any occupied country to do.

So nearly 50 years in, dont you think Israel should try and find a constructive solution ?, after all it does hold all the cards.

[Cherry7]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I guess you completely missed my long post about the history of what happened, the fact that the arabs that stayed in Israel became full citizens with all rights, and the ones that attacked and tried to wipe out Israel were, no surprise, NOT allowed to come back into the country and become citizens. That is not apartheid.

As for demonizing your enemy.... REALLY? Have you seen what is on kids programs and soap operas in the middle east, calling jews vampires and praising people for murdering jewish civilians? Find me that equivalent in Israel, or anywhere....

....never mind. I guess we have to agree to disagree. What does make me sad is that the Jews in Europe who are protesting to have Israel eliminated, (and that is the end game here), will have NO WHERE to go, when the European governments turn their backs on them yet again, and the forced conversions/pogroms/deportations/killings begin again.

And it will be too late at that point. There will be no safe place to run to.



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Not true, I except that civil rights in Israel are better than in many countries and most Arab ones. All these countries have suffered from imperialism supporting the most backward elements in those countries.

The Jews and people demonstrating against Zionism are not for the destruction of a country but the creation of a better one, for all the people of that land, not just the recent arrivals like the Spokesman for Israel Mark Regev .

What nonsense that ALL European governments are going to expel the Jews. Really the Jews? This is not 1930. Not the Poles, the Muslims, the Communists, the Blacks ....

history may repeat itself sometimes, but history is what people make. It is true that Israel is doing a good job of loosing friends. But most people do not blame Jews for the action of the Israeli state. Just as we don't blame the American people for Iraqi war and dead.

As the globe gets smaller and even erotic workers like ourselves work globally, we have to learn to respect difference.

I hope with time religious and racial ideas that divide people will fade away.

[Cherry7]

No county wanted to accept the Jewish survivors, much as every county refused to accept the Jewish refugees en masse during WWII, so the State of Israel was created along with a Palistinian Homeland (i.e.; country) as a nation.



Just not true.

After the war Jews were able to return to all their countries, even Germany.

The reason to create Israel was ideological. It's call Zionism.

[American Psycho]

I really don't give a crap who's right or wrong here but from the stats of recent injured and dead it would seem that Israel is not handling this the best way it could.

I heard ZERO Israelis died in all those rocket attacks.

While its wrong to shoot rocket israel shouldnt be so heavy handed killing and destroying.

I think anyone without bias would agree to that.

however overall hummus (lol hamas , autospell) back by iran are a bunch of fucking lunatics and I would not be upset if they were all wiped out.

Actually any religious fanatic could fuck off happily.

Moving fwd history is irrelevant.
peace matter and I do beleive that hamas will never allow peace

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by American Psycho

I really don't give a crap who's right or wrong here but from the stats of recent injured and dead it would seem that Israel is not handling this the best way it could.

I heard ZERO Israelis died in all those rocket attacks.

While its wrong to shoot rocket israel shouldnt be so heavy handed killing and destroying.

I think anyone without bias would agree to that.

however overall hummus (lol hamas , autospell) back by iran are a bunch of fucking lunatics and I would not be upset if they were all wiped out.

Actually any religious fanatic could fuck off happily.

Moving fwd history is irrelevant.
peace matter and I do beleive that hamas will never allow peace

What should Israel do? Hamas is deliberately trying to get it's own people killed. They are launching the Rockets from areas filled with civilians, and when the Israelis give notice to the civilians 10 minutes before the strike on a house to get out of a target area, Hamas gets the people to ignore the warning and not evacuate, (while the Hamas guys hide in their bunker). Israel has canceled many strikes when they could see children were present, but you can only do so much when your attackers are doing everything that they can to put their civilians in harms way. Hamas has even refused blood and plasma from the Israelis for the wounded. The whole thing is very very sad.



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[American Psycho]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

What should Israel do? Hamas is deliberately trying to get it's own people killed. They are launching the Rockets from areas filled with civilians, and when the Israelis give notice to the civilians 10 minutes before the strike on a house to get out of a target area, Hamas gets the people to ignore the warning and not evacuate, (while the Hamas guys hide in their bunker). Israel has canceled many strikes when they could see children were present, but you can only do so much when your attackers are doing everything that they can to put their civilians in harms way. Hamas has even refused blood and plasma from the Israelis for the wounded. The whole thing is very very sad.

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you might be right on all that but still israel is too heavy handed.

There is no answer here.
it will go on until either it ends in a big bang or we all die of old age.

Israel should focus more on defense amd shooting rockets down than offense but they have a big US backed army and like to use it to keep the $ flowing in. They should have more tatical operations like us should have done in iraq and Afghanistan rather that a big army approach.

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

What should Israel do? Hamas is deliberately trying to get it's own people killed. They are launching the Rockets from areas filled with civilians, and when the Israelis give notice to the civilians 10 minutes before the strike on a house to get out of a target area, Hamas gets the people to ignore the warning and not evacuate, (while the Hamas guys hide in their bunker). Israel has canceled many strikes when they could see children were present, but you can only do so much when your attackers are doing everything that they can to put their civilians in harms way. Hamas has even refused blood and plasma from the Israelis for the wounded. The whole thing is very very sad.

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You are right about what you are saying. Hamas are monsters and cowards.

What Israel has to do is find another way. They can't justify killing so many civilians especially since their anti-missle defense is solid and most rockets launched into Israel don't do much.

[Barry-xlovecam]

I misspoke: Most of the Jewish concentration camp survivors didn't want to go back to most of the eastern European countries they were deported from, e.g.; Germany, Poland, Romania, Hungary -- some did return to France and Northern Europe.

Who cares really ...

Afghanistan, Iraq Wars Killed 132,000 Civilians, Report Says

By Spencer Ackerman
06.29.11
At least 132,000 civilians have died from 10 years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to a new study by Brown university. And that’s a conservative estimate.


No one can say with certainty how many civilians have died in these wars. But researchers at Brown’s Watson Institute for International Studies found that between 12,000 and 14,000 of them perished in Afghanistan — the most recent of which came from Tuesday’s audacious insurgent attack on Kabul’s most famous hotel. Another 120,000 died in Iraq. An estimated 35,000 more lost their lives in Pakistan, where the United States is fighting a shadow war against terror groups and militants. (Although the report says it can’t “disaggregate civilian from combatant death” there, which is kind of a big deal.)

http://www.wired.com/2011/06/afghani...s-report-says/

The Death Toll in Darfur, Kosovo
August 14, 2007

In my articles, I tend to use “several hundred thousand” as the death toll, because any particular number suggests a level of certainty that we will never obtain. Is it possible that the toll is 200,000? Absolutely. Is it possible that it’s more than 400,000? Absolutely.

In Kosovo, there were estimates of 100,000 dead; the actual toll turned out to be less than 1,000.

People die in wars ... 30 more "Gazan civilians" have died in the last few days because of Hamas' refusal to cease fire. I guess they want more casualties -- there is no negotiating with Hamas they just proved that ... again.

This is really about internal Palestinian power plays between Hamas and the PA at this point. It has become rather obvious if you don't get trapped in the media speak and the politicians' manipulation of the situation.

[Cherry7]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

[INDENT]I misspoke: Most of the Jewish concentration camp survivors didn't want to go back to most of the eastern European countries they were deported from, e.g.; Germany, Poland, Romania, Hungary -- some did return to France and Northern Europe.

Who cares really ...

Again where are your figures to back this up?

Mark Regev for example was born in Australia and only moved to Israel in the 1980s. The Russians moved there were not in camps, the American Jews ?

I don't care if you write rubbish. Just say what ever comes into your head, white is black, Aliens control pop music,

But don't expect people to take your opinions seriously

[RFremont]

Originally Posted by Mutt

Said the gutless shitstain hurling the most child like anti-Semitic insult from behind his own keyboard. If you're going to resort to attacks on somebody's physical appearance at least have the balls to post a photo of yourself, obviously you must be quite the handsome brute compared to 'beak-nose'.

Mind your own business you fuckin faggot, I'd say it right to his face and yours, you don't know a thing about me. And I'm going to post a photo of myself for YOU?? Get your cock out of the beak-nose's ass instead of running to defend him like a bitch.

[Oracle Porn]

Originally Posted by American Psycho

I heard ZERO Israelis died in all those rocket attacks.

you heard? who does your daily briefings?

[Oracle Porn]

Originally Posted by mopek1

They can't justify killing so many civilians especially since their anti-missle defense is solid and most rockets launched into Israel don't do much.

don't do much? whats much for you? if seriously injuring, damaging, hurting businesses, terrifying kids is not much for you then I suggest you try it yourself, i'm sure you will have a different opinion.
killing innocent people is never good, but it's not the intention of israel, and like in any war there is collateral damage...ask your boys in Afghanistan, what are they doing there anyway? how many innocent afghans die everyday and no one even thinks about it twice? how many ukrainians die every day? how many syrians die every day? most of your minion opinions are controlled by the media and you give to it....its sad to see.

[Cherry7]

Originally Posted by Oracle Porn

don't do much? whats much for you? if seriously injuring, damaging, hurting businesses, terrifying kids is not much for you then I suggest you try it yourself, i'm sure you will have a different opinion.
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Israelis gathered on a hilltop outside the town of Sderot on Monday to watch the bombardment of Gaza

[Oracle Porn]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

Israelis gathered on a hilltop outside the town of Sderot on Monday to watch the bombardment of Gaza

idiots are found everywhere, what are you saying exactly?

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

Again where are your figures to back this up?


But don't expect people to take your opinions seriously

1. How many of the concentration camp survivors did you speak with personally?
2. How many times have you looked at the obscene number tattoo branded on a former concentration camp survivor's forearm while they relayed their first hand experiences to you?
3. How many of those same survivors with anger in their eyes requested that you not ask of their own personal stories and preferred to speak to you of their struggles after the war and its consequences?

I am not talking out of my ass and have neither the time nor the interest to prove jack shit to you. Spare me the drama queen pictures -- everyone knows people are dying. The images are ridiculous in their context used, childish, stereotypical dramatization.


If the people of Gaza continue to support their rocket crews with Hamas' acquiescence and full support of the same, the Gazan population will pay the price -- that has been made very clear. They have chosen to die fighting and they have gotten their wish.

It's not all that different from the American Indian Wars or the European colonization and oppression of Black Africa, the French and Italian exploitation of North Africa, or the genocidal conquest and colonization of the New World by Spain and England.

Man's cruelty toward his fellow man was not invented in 1948.

Guess what? The coming of the Messiah, the return of Jesus, or the return of the Prophet will not be coming any time soon ...

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by RFremont

Mind your own business you fuckin faggot, I'd say it right to his face and yours, you don't know a thing about me. And I'm going to post a photo of myself for YOU?? Get your cock out of the beak-nose's ass instead of running to defend him like a bitch.

Thanks so much for posting in this thread... People like you are HILARIOUS!!!







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[American Psycho]

Originally Posted by American Psycho Vi
I heard ZERO Israelis died in all those rocket attacks.
you heard?

Originally Posted by Oracle DIPSHIT
who does your daily briefings?

INTERESTING READ ON HOW TO VIEW THE CASUALTIES

Palestinian deaths vs. Israeli deaths
By Uriel HeilmanJuly 15, 2014 2:28pm

In my roundup of 8 things you need to know about the Gaza-Israel conflict, I forgot to include one important point: the Palestinian death toll.
The number of Palestinian deaths to Israeli deaths is clearly disproportionate — as of this writing, about 192:1. There are a few different ways to look at this rate.
Critics of Israel herald the lopsided figure as evidence of Israeli barbarism. But such a simplistic view misses several important points. One, the Israeli death toll is low because Iron Dome, Israel’s missile defense system, is successfully intercepting incoming rockets. The Palestinians have no defense against Israeli missiles.
Second, the ratio would be more lopsided if Israel were trying to kill Palestinian civilians. But by most accounts it’s trying not to do that. This is the most important element in interpreting the death toll: While Hamas measures its success by how many Israelis it is able to kill, Israel measures its success in part by how few Palestinian civilians it kills.
So how is Israel doing compared to previous Israel-Hamas battles? The Palestinian death toll is much lower than it was in 2008-’09, when a ground invasion preceded by an air campaign resulted in some 1,150 Palestinian deaths over three weeks. But the Palestinian casualty count now isn’t too different from November 2012, when an eight-day air campaign resulted in an estimated 158-177 Palestinian deaths.
The Israeli death rate, meanwhile, is down significantly — from 13 in 2008-’09 and six in 2012 to one so far in nine days of fighting.


Read more: http://www.jta.org/2014/07/15/news-o...#ixzz37jcJulDg

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

No county wanted to accept the Jewish survivors, much as every county refused to accept the Jewish refugees en masse during WWII, so the State of Israel was created along with a Palistinian Homeland (i.e.; country) as a nation.



Just not true.

After the war Jews were able to return to all their countries, even Germany.

The reason to create Israel was ideological. It's call Zionism.

The ideology behind Zionism was born from the endless mistreatment the Jews had suffered in Europe through centuries culminating in the violent pogroms within the Russian Empire and reaching its' unthinkable zenith with the Final Solution!

"After the war Jews were able to return to all their countries, even Germany."

I suppose that with logic like yours we should be sending victims of spousal abuse and child abuse back into the homes where their nightmares occurred.

Fool.

[Oracle Porn]

Originally Posted by American Psycho

INTERESTING READ ON HOW TO VIEW THE CASUALTIES

Palestinian deaths vs. Israeli deaths
By Uriel HeilmanJuly 15, 2014 2:28pm

In my roundup of 8 things you need to know about the Gaza-Israel conflict, I forgot to include one important point: the Palestinian death toll.
The number of Palestinian deaths to Israeli deaths is clearly disproportionate ? as of this writing, about 192:1. There are a few different ways to look at this rate.
Critics of Israel herald the lopsided figure as evidence of Israeli barbarism. But such a simplistic view misses several important points. One, the Israeli death toll is low because Iron Dome, Israel?s missile defense system, is successfully intercepting incoming rockets. The Palestinians have no defense against Israeli missiles.
Second, the ratio would be more lopsided if Israel were trying to kill Palestinian civilians. But by most accounts it?s trying not to do that. This is the most important element in interpreting the death toll: While Hamas measures its success by how many Israelis it is able to kill, Israel measures its success in part by how few Palestinian civilians it kills.
So how is Israel doing compared to previous Israel-Hamas battles? The Palestinian death toll is much lower than it was in 2008-?09, when a ground invasion preceded by an air campaign resulted in some 1,150 Palestinian deaths over three weeks. But the Palestinian casualty count now isn?t too different from November 2012, when an eight-day air campaign resulted in an estimated 158-177 Palestinian deaths.
The Israeli death rate, meanwhile, is down significantly ? from 13 in 2008-?09 and six in 2012 to one so far in nine days of fighting.


Read more: http://www.jta.org/2014/07/15/news-o...#ixzz37jcJulDg

news from 2 days ago? are you retarded?

[American Psycho]

Originally Posted by Oracle Porn

news from 2 days ago? are you retarded?

huh??????

[American Psycho]

Originally Posted by Oracle Porn

news from 2 days ago? are you retarded?

these questions are retarded

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[mchol]

The middle east is a crazy place.

[Cherry7]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

1. How many of the concentration camp survivors did you speak with personally?
2. How many times have you looked at the obscene number tattoo branded on a former concentration camp survivor's forearm while they relayed their first hand experiences to you?
3. How many of those same survivors with anger in their eyes requested that you not ask of their own personal stories and preferred to speak to you of their struggles after the war and its consequences?

I am not talking out of my ass and have neither the time nor the interest to prove jack shit to you. Spare me the drama queen pictures -- everyone knows people are dying. The images are ridiculous in their context used, childish, stereotypical dramatization.


If the people of Gaza continue to support their rocket crews with Hamas' acquiescence and full support of the same, the Gazan population will pay the price -- that has been made very clear. They have chosen to die fighting and they have gotten their wish.

It's not all that different from the American Indian Wars or the European colonization and oppression of Black Africa, the French and Italian exploitation of North Africa, or the genocidal conquest and colonization of the New World by Spain and England.

Man's cruelty toward his fellow man was not invented in 1948.

Guess what? The coming of the Messiah, the return of Jesus, or the return of the Prophet will not be coming any time soon ...

I requested you supply figures to back up statement that you clearly just made up.

You then demand I supply you with the information.

You want to make a point - you supply the evidence to back it up.

Do you understand now how this works?

[Cherry7]

Originally Posted by Mutt

The ideology behind Zionism was born from the endless mistreatment the Jews had suffered in Europe through centuries culminating in the violent pogroms within the Russian Empire and reaching its' unthinkable zenith with the Final Solution!

"After the war Jews were able to return to all their countries, even Germany."

I suppose that with logic like yours we should be sending victims of spousal abuse and child abuse back into the homes where their nightmares occurred.

Fool.

It may have been the result of mistreatment but it was also wrong. just because violence was used against you does not mean you can go and violently steal another persons land.

Jew were not the only people to have to flee the Nazis and then return back to their countries, German communists, socialists, gypsies even Jehovah Witnesses, all were persecuted. All Slavs were treated as sub human...a new country for all of them... a fool might think so.

[Cherry7]

The terrorist attack



The measured response

[RFremont]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Thanks so much for posting in this thread... People like you are HILARIOUS!!!







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yea laugh away you fuckin beak-nose. Answer to the images posted in this thread, like the one with the dead children. You fuckin cowardly cocksucker hiding behind your keyboard running your mouth, you find all this funny? piece of maggot shit.

[RFremont]

Originally Posted by Oracle Porn

don't do much? whats much for you? if seriously injuring, damaging, hurting businesses, terrifying kids is not much for you then I suggest you try it yourself, i'm sure you will have a different opinion.
killing innocent people is never good, but it's not the intention of israel, and like in any war there is collateral damage...ask your boys in Afghanistan, what are they doing there anyway? how many innocent afghans die everyday and no one even thinks about it twice? how many ukrainians die every day? how many syrians die every day? most of your minion opinions are controlled by the media and you give to it....its sad to see.

And none of those are OK either, it's not true that no one even thinks twice. Injustices are everywhere and it's not correct to say that one is less severe than the other. You can't reference those other situations to absolve responsibility of what is happening in Gaza. Just like making the sweeping statement 'oh well that's just collateral damage' like waving a magic wand pardoning the criminality.

[Slappin Fish]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

What should Israel do? Hamas is deliberately trying to get it's own people killed. They are launching the Rockets from areas filled with civilians, and when the Israelis give notice to the civilians 10 minutes before the strike on a house to get out of a target area, Hamas gets the people to ignore the warning and not evacuate, (while the Hamas guys hide in their bunker). Israel has canceled many strikes when they could see children were present, but you can only do so much when your attackers are doing everything that they can to put their civilians in harms way. Hamas has even refused blood and plasma from the Israelis for the wounded. The whole thing is very very sad.



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Fours kids playing ALONE on the beach, in broad daylight, how is that an area filled with people? And Gaza is 25 miles long by about 10 miles across, with 1.7 million people living there where the fuck are they suppose to evacuate to if even the least populated location, the beach, is bombed?


I'm not religious but the world is starting to wake up to your propaganda.

[Slappin Fish]

Originally Posted by TeenCat

all this just because of religion?

Not only religion. This has something to do with it as well. but it's not enough. need more settleeeeements.

[BabeHunter]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

The terrorist attack



The measured response

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152698161537176

[pornmasta]

good, they need to learn how to do.

[BabeHunter]

Originally Posted by Slappin Fish

Not only religion. This has something to do with it as well. but it's not enough. need more settleeeeements.

Moral of the story, take what is offered, or you end up with nothing

[Lubies]

Originally Posted by BabeHunter

Moral of the story, take what is offered, or you end up with nothing

what he said, Boycott Israel http://youtu.be/se3PaCX7sjI enjoy

[Lubies]

this guy is not bad- Israel Apartheid

http://youtu.be/EsOH2Y_CZE0

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by cherry7

i requested you supply figures to back up statement that you clearly just made up.

You then demand i supply you with the information.

You want to make a point - you supply the evidence to back it up.

Do you understand now how this works?

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[oppoten]

Ground offensive. Shit just got shittier.

[Barry-xlovecam]

[T]he UN discovered 20 rockets hidden in an empty school.

It did not say who owned them, but condemned a "flagrant violation" of international law and said the weapons had been removed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...s-in-Gaza.html

Civilian structures are bring intentionally targeted by Hamas or Islamic Jihad when used for weapons storage.

^^ If someone shot at me with a .22 I would blow their head off with a 12ga. That pictorial comparison is 6th grade.

Meantime, Israeli tanks have crossed into Gaza. Unfortunately, there will be many to bury before this is over. Hamas got the battle they thought they wanted ... Abbas gets rid of a political rival ... The Palestinians have the blood feud continue for years ... A feud that has gotten them nowhere but dead.

Now, the UN and world leaders can have shit fits for a week and the Israelis can attempt a knock down but not a knock out fight in Gaza for a week. Rinse and repeat in 5 years ...

[American Psycho]

Respect the jihad muthafukas

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by RFremont

yea laugh away you fuckin beak-nose. Answer to the images posted in this thread, like the one with the dead children. You fuckin cowardly cocksucker hiding behind your keyboard running your mouth, you find all this funny? piece of maggot shit.

The only thing funny in this thread is you. Your the only one throwing empty threats and racially charged insults with the slavering intensity of an ignorant prejudiced loser. You are the one bit of comic relief in an otherwise terrible and tragic subject.





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[RFremont]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

The only thing funny in this thread is you. Your the only one throwing empty threats and racially charged insults with the slavering intensity of an ignorant prejudiced loser. You are the one bit of comic relief in an otherwise terrible and tragic subject.


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Nothing comical about it, you're just bitter because the world is waking up to your propaganda, obfuscation and bullshit. Cry your fuckin racism card all you want, I would only be ignorant if I allowed people like you to take attention off the truth with your professional victim card. Just shut the fuck up already. I also note that you didn't address the dead childen in the photo on this thread, but I wouldn't expect anything less from trash like you.

[Cherry7]

Originally Posted by BabeHunter

Moral of the story, take what is offered, or you end up with nothing

IF IF IF

Well we did protest at the situation in all those countries, even when our media ignored the situation there. We still protest the mass repression in Egypt and the return to military rule, the consequences of the illegal war in Iraq etc.

The people and organisations that protest against the illegal action by Israel are the same people who fought fascism and anti Semitism in the 1930s and supported the Warsaw uprising.

I remember in the 50 s and 60s showing films like "Night and Fog" about the Holocaust when the media was so pro German (because cold war and new member NATO) that no one wanted to know.

We stand on the side of the victims.

[moeloubani]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I am lame.

Lol Bozo I haven't logged in in months but I just had to come on here and give you a spanking like the old days. What were you saying earlier about something equivalent to showing vampire Jews on TV? (Or whatever it was that you were talking about)

This photograph of Israeli children writing on artillery shells bound for targets in Lebanon has caused outrage among many bloggers, not least those from the Arab world.

The debate about the image has, of course, become part of the propaganda war that is running alongside the conflict.

"From the children of Israel, to the children of Lebanon, with love," writes one Greek blogger, Mavrosgatos, showing the image above a very graphic photograph apparently showing the scorched corpse of a Lebanese child. "These [Israeli] children are raised with hatred instead of milk," the blogger writes.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/blog...missilespostin

But hey I guess Palestinian children being taught to throw things at stuffed animals is worse than Israelis being taught to write love letters on bombs that will actually go on to kill people. Right?

Quit being such a dummy, Bozo.

But anyways I figured it was time someone who knew what they were talking about came in instead of all you going back and forth with your zany pictures.

Here is something I wrote a few days ago on reddit:

As a Canadian-Palestinian, I'd like to give my take on the current situation for whoever wants to know more. Now I'll admit as a Palestinian I have a bias so take what I say and look things up yourself, I prefer people do their own research over listening to someone on either side.

That said, I will make this single post outlining things from my point of view as a Palestinian, and I will try to do it using all Israeli sources in order to minimize the affect of my bias.

First of all, Hamas is no angel. In the past Hamas has done some horrible things - suicide bombings on civilian targets and launching a missile at a school bus just to name a couple. These are war crimes, illegal under international law, they serve no purpose but to make things worse for both sides and they don't help anyone at all - most of all the families of those who are affected.

But ever since November 2012, Hamas and Israel have been under a ceasefire. During that ceasefire Hamas has refrained from rocket attacks on Israel. I know what you're thinking - rockets were coming out of Gaza and landing in Israel between November 2012 and now, and that's definitely true. But these rockets didn't come from Hamas and more importantly, Hamas was trying to stop them.

So now that is out of the way let's look at this conflict from where it started (some will say it started with the death of 2 Palestinian teens who were shot during a protest (http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.590861)) but I'll say it started with the kidnapping of 3 Israeli teens in the West Bank.

After those teens were kidnapped the Israeli government started rounding up Palestinians and arresting them, many of those arrested are still being held without charge. At the time Israel was saying that the operation was under way in order to find the kidnapped teens. Later on it was revealed that the Israeli government knew that the teens were dead but issued a gag order as to the evidence that would suggest that while at the same time insisting they were alive and maintaining that the operation in the West Bank was to find the kidnapped teens.

As this all happened, Israel's government was blaming Hamas for the kidnapping of the teens - despite showing no evidence to support that claim.

But despite all of this, Hamas didn't react. They continued trying to stop the rocket attacks on Israel and were hoping that the unity government that was just set up would give them a diplomatic way to deal with the prisoners.

Keep in mind that while these attacks didn't come from Hamas (Hamas takes responsibility for their attacks, they denied involvement in the ones preceding the Israeli retaliation) Israel would always strike Hamas targets in retaliation.

Then came the straw that broke the camel's back, at least for Hamas:

One of their members was killed by Israel while trying to stop rocket attacks on Israel. For the first time, Hamas started firing rockets back at Israel and took full responsibility for firing those rockets.

And so it goes now where the two sides are fighting back and forth.

The claims of 'human shields' from Israel are ridiculous - the homes they are hitting aren't legitimate military targets. That means the homes they are hitting are like your home or my home, the only reason they are giving to attack those homes is that there are members of Hamas who live there. This is a war crime.

Just today 18 people were killed - all from one family - when Israel bombed the house of the police chief in Gaza, again not a legitimate military target.

The death toll as of now stands at ~165 dead Palestinians, ~75% civilians and 0 dead Israelis (which is a good thing that Israelis aren't dying, I just wish Palestinians weren't either).

So there you have it, the conflict spelled out from a Canadian-Palestinian's point of view using Israeli sources. I hope if anyone has a rebuttal to this they will use Palestinian sources and even things out a bit.

Thanks to anyone that made it this far (and to those of you who skipped to the end, booooo).

And everyone should keep in mind what the death toll is at: Israel, who says they don't target civilians, has killed 230+ people - mostly civilians. Hamas, who Israel says targets civilians, has killed 2 people, one of them an Israeli soldier and the other a civilian in a military camp. Odd how that works, isn't it?

[Lubies]

Originally Posted by moeloubani

Lol Bozo I haven't logged in in months but I just had to come on here and give you a spanking like the old days. What were you saying earlier about something equivalent to showing vampire Jews on TV? (Or whatever it was that you were talking about)



But hey I guess Palestinian children being taught to throw things at stuffed animals is worse than Israelis being taught to write love letters on bombs that will actually go on to kill people. Right?

Quit being such a dummy, Bozo.

But anyways I figured it was time someone who knew what they were talking about came in instead of all you going back and forth with your zany pictures.

Here is something I wrote a few days ago on reddit:



And everyone should keep in mind what the death toll is at: Israel, who says they don't target civilians, has killed 230+ people - mostly civilians. Hamas, who Israel says targets civilians, has killed 2 people, one of them an Israeli soldier and the other a civilian in a military camp. Odd how that works, isn't it?

Ohhh look its Achmed the Friendly terrorist, Jeff gave you a day off to post on gfy? thought you offed your self in an "accident" in the lab, oh well