What has the Right gotten Right?

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

In 2013, the United States generated about 4,058 billion kilowatthours of electricity. About 67% of the electricity generated was from fossil fuel (coal, natural gas, and petroleum), with 39% attributed from coal.

In 2013, energy sources and percent share of total electricity generation were

Coal 39%
Natural Gas 27%
Nuclear 19%
Hydropower 7%
Other Renewable 6%
Biomass 1.48%
Geothermal 0.41%
Solar 0.23%
Wind 4.13%
Petroleum 1%
Other Gases < 1%

Solar: 0.23% Less than 1/4 of 1 percent.

Hi AYH,
Hydro and wind are also "Green" energy, but I get your point. I would argue that Solar while slow to be adopted by the US, is thriving in other countries such as Germany where for the first time about 2 weeks ago, Solar provided 51% of the electricity needed for the entire country. And even more interesting, more than 50% of Germany's renewable energy is owned by its citizens & farmers: http://www.treehugger.com/renewable-...companies.html which is something I did not know before. That's pretty cool!

[Robbie]

Your Germany stats are cool. I'm all for EVERYBODY using solar power (and wind) as much as possible for their homes.

BUT...as usual, your stats are cherry picked.

This is the reality:
"Germany is the world's top photovoltaics (PV) installer, with a solar PV capacity of 35.948 gigawatts (GW) at the end of 2013 and a supported capacity of 36.519 GW at the end of May 2014.
The German new solar PV installations increased by about 7.6 GW in 2012, and solar PV provided 18 TWh (billion kilowatt-hours) of electricity in 2011, about 3% of total electricity.
Some market analysts expect this could reach 25 percent by 2050.[4] Germany has a goal of producing 35% of electricity from renewable sources by 2020 and 100% by 2050."

COULD reach 15% by the year 2050 and currently only provide 3% of the TOTAL electricity used in Germany.
That sucks. And Germany is number one in the world.

It's not a case of them being "ahead" of us by the way. The technology is all the same.

It's just that Pres. Obama's administration just flat out GAVE solar companies money to do NOTHING.
Seems to me that money should have been used to HIRE them to install solar panels on every home in America.

But that wouldn't have made 100% profit going into people's pockets now would it?

[The Porn Nerd]

Debating which political party or President is this or that is EXACTLY what "they" want people to do. Because the reality is this: It doesn't matter if Obama or Bush or Clinton or any President since perhaps Eisenhower (or Kennedy, and look what happened to him) is Republican OR Democrat. It's 'Good Cop/Bad Cop', and we the sheeple fall for it every time and worse, contribute to it and keep it alive by pitting R's vs. D's. Again, this is exactly what "they" want.

But whether it's the Middle East or Nebraska, people will get their dander up over this politician or that one. Meanwhile, the real business of America is getting done behind the scenes but often out in the open unnoticed because everyone is distracted by arguing who's worse, Obama or Bush.

What-the-fuck-ever, as my girlfriend would say. Carry on.

[Robbie]

Great post The Porn Nerd. I think you hit it right on the head.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by crockett

So basically the only thing is taxes for rich people? Meanwhile they try their hardest to destroy this country, but it's all ok because you pay less taxes?

Keeping taxes as low as possible is their bread and butter. All roads lead back to that one prime directive when it comes to their ideology.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by crockett

So because a ship got stuck in ice, it means the ice sheets aren't melting? Is that what you are trying to say?

Yeah. There's that, and "because winter happened". They never make a salient point so why even try?

[sperbonzo]

I actually just intended to poke my head in, and just enjoy the fireworks for a second, without contributing, but your last post suckered me in....


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Originally Posted by bronco67

Yeah. There's that, and "because winter happened". They never make a salient point so why even try?

How about this.... temperatures have always been fluctuating, and often much warmer than now.... but we only hit big CO2 production in the last 110 years or so.



And then here is the anomaly between pretty much EVERY COMPUTER MODEL of the climate that we are basing all this "settled science"on, and the actual observations....





But yes, all of this right vrs left crap is simply distracting everyone from the fact that BOTH sides are growing the power of the government and their personal fiefdoms, creating a political elite class that has the only legal power to use force to control pretty much everything; and BOTH sides are paying off their friends with money stolen from the people through taxes, inflation and borrowing.



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[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by crockett

So basically the only thing is taxes for rich people? Meanwhile they try their hardest to destroy this country, but it's all ok because you pay less taxes?

Where do you get that ridiculous idea that rich pay less taxes? Rich pay MORE taxes. They are punished for being quality members of society, working hard/smart and earning more. Thanks to the leftist loser mentality mongers (punish harder working, give away and encourage less/lazy working crowd).

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by baddog

WTF has the Left accomplished but turn us into a broke welfare state?

Obama inherited the problem from Bush (a rightie), and today the righties in congress stop Obama from making the changes required to fix the problem. You got this wrong, so that is 3 wrong things said or done by people on the right.

[Tom_PM]

They vowed to make it their work to block President Obama on everything he wants to do.

Game. Set. Match.

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Where do you get that ridiculous idea that rich pay less taxes? Rich pay MORE taxes. They are punished for being quality members of society, working hard/smart and earning more. Thanks to the leftist loser mentality mongers (punish harder working, give away and encourage less/lazy working crowd).

It's because these fools do nothing but talk out of their asses, they have no idea how things actually work in the real world. They want "the rich" to pay a higher percent even though the rich has always paid in more and been carrying everyone else on their backs.

Only fair way I see to do it would be to get rid of all taxes other than sales tax. jack it up and split it between the state and government. Who ever spends more will be paying more.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

Another post made where the person has no clue what they are talking about

This article says Obamacare is working well: : http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dru...ng-pretty-well

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

The EPA is horse shit designed to steal land from the people of this country.
There are COUNTLESS stories of this. Open your eyes.

Prove it.

Originally Posted by Robbie

It's just that Pres. Obama's administration just flat out GAVE solar companies money to do NOTHING.
Seems to me that money should have been used to HIRE them to install solar panels on every home in America.

But that wouldn't have made 100% profit going into people's pockets now would it?

Robbie you have it wrong. China is going full force building solar panels and other green energies. The Obama administration provided assistance to companies like Solyndra to help improve the technology to and to hopefully beat China. Why should America or any other country buy solar panels from China when it could have been built right here at home, and create more high tech jobs in addition to the installation jobs?

You should also know that Solyndra was back by the Walton Family (Owners of Walmart, and conservatives themselves). Their loan was guaranteed by the Department of Energy, which itself came from GEORGE W BUSH (Surprise! He did something that was good).

When the economy tanked, some solar companies including Solyndra just could not compete with the subsidized companies in China and went bankrupt.

But instead of explaining even the most basic bits of the truth, the right wingers blame obama, and call green energy a failure.

The amount of complete bullshit spewed by right wingers in office, and in the media, and even here on GFY, is both troubling and sad.

[Tom_PM]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Where do you get that ridiculous idea that rich pay less taxes?

Taxes are based on percentages. If you pay a lower percentage than the next guy, that means you pay less taxes than that guy. It has nothing to do with one number being larger than the other until you talk tax rate, which is expressed as a percentage.

[Tom_PM]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

It's because these fools do nothing but talk out of their asses, they have no idea how things actually work in the real world. They want "the rich" to pay a higher percent even though the rich has always paid in more and been carrying everyone else on their backs.

Only fair way I see to do it would be to get rid of all taxes other than sales tax. jack it up and split it between the state and government. Who ever spends more will be paying more.

Tax rates on the wealthiest Americans is at an all time low.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by **********

Obama inherited the problem from Bush (a rightie), and today the righties in congress stop Obama from making the changes required to fix the problem. You got this wrong, so that is 3 wrong things said or done by people on the right.

Big O doesn't give a damn about Congress. He rules by decree with his mighty pen.
"Fix the problem"? Obama has done nothing but CREATE more problems.
Are you going to blame Bush for this shit too? Over 1 million food stamps distributed to dead people in Louisiana

- More than a million dollars in food stamps have been distributed to dead people in Louisiana according to a state audit.

The audit shows nearly 4,000 households received food stamps where the primary recipient was dead.

From July 2009 to June 2013 the amount of benefits sent to the deceased reached nearly $1.3-million.

Officials say it's hard to know exactly who was using the program's cards after the owners were dead.

"On the DCFS funds, the SNAP benefits, you're not going to recover those funds," said Louisiana Legislative Auditor Daryl Purpera.

"So, that's just taxpayer money that's gone?" he was asked.

"Yeah. That's... those are federal funds, taxpayer funds that we'll not be able to recover," said Purpera.


These same dead people probably voted while dead also.
So we have no problem feeding dead people, and now Big O wants over $3 billion for illegal aliens, while we have American veterans, put on DHS terrorist watch lists, wandering homeless and hungry and dying in the streets.

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by **********

This article says Obamacare is working well: : http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dru...ng-pretty-well

Just because someone makes a chart and writes something on the internet doesn't make it true.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by **********

Obama inherited the problem from Bush (a rightie), and today the righties in congress stop Obama from making the changes required to fix the problem. You got this wrong, so that is 3 wrong things said or done by people on the right.

Bush inherited the problem from Clinton (a leftie.) Uh oh. Now what?

Blame is an excuse. Excuses are bull shit. You either do it or you don't. Real men don't say "but mommy, it was hard!" or "they won't play with me!"

The left conveniently forgets the reason why the right will not work with the President. I'm not saying that it's right, I'm not saying it's a worthy excuse (see above,) but at least acknowledge the fact that the President fucked them and they are sore losers. Sore losers do not like hugging the guy that just fucked them. That is just human behavior, that is just politics. That the President did not see it coming is absolutely mind-boggling, shortsighted, and naive.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by **********

Prove it.

EPA Changing The Rules To Steal Private American Water and Property

EPA?s Most Significant Private Property Grab in US History is Imminent

EPA Takes Entire Town Away From Wyoming

WYOMING SUING EPA FOR STEALING 1 MILLION ACRES OF STATE PROPERTY

Your Land is no longer your land! U.S. Government Stealing Land

Supreme Court Justices ?Blast? EPA for Telling Idaho Couple They Can?t Build on ?Protected Wetlands?


How many examples would you like?

[TampaToker]

Things only gotta get worse people. Everyone keep voting for there team we see how that's working out so far. Vote all these fucks out left/right,set term limits and remove money from politics till then all this bitching with who is right is not gonna fix a god damn thing.

[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by crockett

.5) the ice in Antarctica that you claim is more than ever is typical right wing bull shit, every year in the winter new ice is created, but it's thin ice that melts away in the summer. The important ice is the thick stuff and that is melting away at record pace. It's very easy to learn what the difference is in fresh new ice (ie thin ice) vs the stuff that has been there for thousands of years.

The first sentence is the answer you your problem. wether the ice caps are melting or not has absolutely nothing to do with politics and calling it "typical right wing bull shit" is akin to calling someone a racist to try and win an argument. Science has nothing to do with politics and all to do with proof. People who mix the two do not do their arguments any favours and I'm quite sure that you'll find right wingers who think there is global warming due to humans and left wingers who think that global warming is just a misinterpretation of the facts.

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by Tom_PM

Tax rates on the wealthiest Americans is at an all time low.

That is avoiding and going around things. The point is that the rich are paying much more money.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

EPA Changing The Rules To Steal Private American Water and Property

EPA’s Most Significant Private Property Grab in US History is Imminent

EPA Takes Entire Town Away From Wyoming

WYOMING SUING EPA FOR STEALING 1 MILLION ACRES OF STATE PROPERTY

Your Land is no longer your land! U.S. Government Stealing Land

Supreme Court Justices ‘Blast’ EPA for Telling Idaho Couple They Can’t Build on ‘Protected Wetlands’


How many examples would you like?

I'm sure everything on those Republican rags is true.

I was just listening to Fox news and they that Judge Napolitono guy on...and he said about three things that were untrue concerning the presidency and how it deals with immigration. So how much of a stretch would some website with the words "free" and "patriot" make with the truth? You can't post stuff from crackpot websites and expect to be making some kind of valid point. Those websites are for kooks.

Maybe the Blaze is barely respectable.

and you'd like to live in a country without the EPA? Do you know the kind of shit large chemical companies wish they could get away with? They don't give a shit about the health of you or your family. They only care about doing whatever helps their bottom line.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by bronco67

I'm sure everything on those Republican rags is true.

I was just listening to Fox news and they that Judge Napolitono guy on...and he said about three things that were untrue concerning the presidency and how it deals with immigration. So how much of a stretch would some website with the words "free" and "patriot" make with the truth? You can't post stuff from crackpot websites and expect to be making some kind of valid point. Those websites are for kooks.

Maybe the Blaze is barely respectable.

What do you consider a valid source? MSNBC?

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

What do you consider a valid source? MSNBC?

Say what you want about MSNBC...they're biased, etc..and they are. But they don't go around making shit up. And they follow Republican politics...

I just listened to an interview with a Republican candidate Sunday by an mSNBC anchor...and there was an actual discussion about Republican politics. No finger pointing and baiting into arguments. Does that ever happen on FOX?

If you don't know the difference between MSNBC and those stupid websites, then there's no sense in even trying to have a discussion with you.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Say what you want about MSNBC...they're biased, etc..and they are. But they don't go around making shit up. And they follow Republican politics...

I just listened to an interview with a Republican candidate Sunday by an mSNBC anchor...and there was an actual discussion about Republican politics. No finger pointing and baiting into arguments. Does that ever happen on FOX?

If you don't know the difference between MSNBC and those stupid websites, then there's no sense in even trying to have a discussion with you.

Oh I know the difference alright. Everything out of those MSM "news" sources is propaganda and lies. It is manipulation and conditioning. The best thing you could do for yourself would be to stop watching it immediately. This goes for FOX "News" too.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

What do you consider a valid source? MSNBC?

Your answer was to Mark Prince...who was quoting MotherJones.Com the most left wing slanted website in the world.
And your answers coming from Breitbart are coming from a site that is dedicated to conservative ideals.

So it's a "wash". But Mark Prince won't see that. He will believe wholeheartedly what the govt. wants him to believe.

The only good that comes from crockett's obvious trolling posts is that MAYBE one or two rational people reading this will see the utter hypocrisy of both sides and realize that playing "team sports" with politics is what Republicans and Democrats want us to do.

It ensures the power of the two-party system and keeps them in office indefinitely.

Meanwhile...the world is getting fucked hard.

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Say what you want about MSNBC...they're biased, etc..and they are. But they don't go around making shit up. And they follow Republican politics...

I just listened to an interview with a Republican candidate Sunday by an mSNBC anchor...and there was an actual discussion about Republican politics. No finger pointing and baiting into arguments. Does that ever happen on FOX?

If you don't know the difference between MSNBC and those stupid websites, then there's no sense in even trying to have a discussion with you.

I was watching fox during the elections, I was sick of it being one sided, tried to watch MSNBC and was shocked to see that they were even much worse than Fox. You don't have to lie straight out, Covering only parts of the story that you want and ignoring other things is just as bad and pretty much the same thing as lying. So I tried CNN which I thought was neutral only to find out they were doing the same thing. I give up, and don't believe much anything from media.


Edit:

Originally Posted by Robbie

crockett's obvious trolling posts

fell into that one... I quit.... have fun, I'm going back to work

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Your answer was to Mark Prince...who was quoting MotherJones.Com the most left wing slanted website in the world.
And your answers coming from Breitbart are coming from a site that is dedicated to conservative ideals.

So it's a "wash". But Mark Prince won't see that. He will believe wholeheartedly what the govt. wants him to believe.

The only good that comes from crockett's obvious trolling posts like these is that MAYBE one or two rational people reading this will see the utter hypocrisy of both sides and realize that playing "team sports" with politics is what Republicans and Democrats want us to do.

It ensures the power of the two-party system and keeps them in office indefinitely.

Meanwhile...the world is getting fucked hard.

Agreed. But facts are facts and cannot be ignored. These are unlike opinion and slant, and can be found and confirmed in numerous places. The idea is to do your own research and find the truth. Not get hung up on "Ra! Ra! Go team!" and rely on what some talking head is spinning with opinion & script on any given Tuesday.

Blue vs. Red, Dem vs. Rep, Coke vs. Pepsi... it's all duality bullshit. It's the same garbage with a different label so everyone can participate.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Tom_PM

Taxes are based on percentages. If you pay a lower percentage than the next guy, that means you pay less taxes than that guy. It has nothing to do with one number being larger than the other until you talk tax rate, which is expressed as a percentage.

Eh what? Did I disagree with that?
Rich pay MORE in BOTH absolute numbers AND percentages.

Example (numbers may be not correct, just for illustration purposes):

Earn 30.000, pay 10% income tax (3000).
Earn 300.000, pay 33% income tax ( 99.000).

So both 33% > 10% and 99.000 > 3000

So not sure what were you trying to say.

While what I was trying to say is clear - rich already pay WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY more. They are being punished for being hard/smart working. Not punished, but more likely raped in taxes.

Even if that 300.000 guy would have 10% instead of 33% rate he would still pay WAY more than that 30.000 guy. Yet it is not enough, they jacked it up to 33%. And left winger morons still claim it is not enough.
Fucking disgrace.

[CDSmith]

In 2073 humans started colonizing other worlds. Shortly thereafter all the republicans decided to leave the now-poluted-beyond-tolerance-levels Earth and start their own new planet named Conmerica. The dems followed suit and founded their own planet and named it Demerica. Surely everyone would be happy now that everyone on each new world is of the same mind politically, no?

Within 50 years both planets suffered brutal civil wars. Why? Because even with no one to argue with, the fact is people are people. Our need for conflict and strife and bitching about government supercedes our need for peace and cooperation and desire for a free and happy life. If we can't fight over differing politically we'll fight those who have different religious beliefs.

New planets were colonized. On this one only those who are baptist righties who oppose abortion will live there. On this other planet only lefty hedonists who support universal health care and a free monthly pot allowance for everyone are welcome. And guess what? Within 20 years wars broke out on all those planets. Over this, over that, over nothing.

Because let's face it, we humans are assholes.

Face it, the USA has two whole other churches these days. Two whole other religions. The church of Dem, and the church of Con. You're raised to ascribe to one or the other, most simply growing up to regurgitate all the BS their parents fed them over the years. You join your 'church', you give your tithes (and then some), you worship your church-party leaders, and every 4 years you renew your vows.

Fact is you're all a little bit right, and a whole lot of wrong. Hmm... if only the two sides could, oh I don't know, somehow join forces and work together for the common good. Then that would mean you'd be collectively a whole lot more right and a whole lot less wrong, no? Of course it would. Instead we have American men and women right now on match.com putting statements in their profiles like "If you are a Dem then don't bother contacting me".... "If you're a Repub then don't bother contacting me".

How sad is that?

Ding, ding... hear that? That's your reverend Limbaugh ringing the church bell. That's pastor Jon Stewart ringing the church bell. Let us go and pray for our own salvation whilst we throw ridicule and scorn at the other side. Let us block the other side from doing anything good at every turn, for it should be us that makes those changes, not THEM!

Ah but what do I know, I'm just a stupid Canadian. :D

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

In 2073 humans started colonizing other worlds. Shortly thereafter all the republicans decided to leave the now-poluted-beyond-tolerance-levels Earth and start their own new planet named Conmerica. The dems followed suit and founded their own planet and named it Demerica. Surely everyone would be happy now that everyone on each new world is of the same mind politically, no?

Within 50 years both planets suffered brutal civil wars. Why? Because even with no one to argue with, the fact is people are people. Our need for conflict and strife and bitching about government supercedes our need for peace and cooperation and desire for a free and happy life. If we can't fight over differing politically we'll fight those who have different religious beliefs.

New planets were colonized. On this one only those who are baptist righties who oppose abortion will live there. On this other planet only lefty hedonists who support universal health care and a free monthly pot allowance for everyone are welcome. And guess what? Within 20 years wars broke out on all those planets. Over this, over that, over nothing.

Because let's face it, we humans are assholes.

Face it, the USA has two whole other churches these days. Two whole other religions. The church of Dem, and the church of Con. You're raised to ascribe to one or the other, most simply growing up to regurgitate all the BS their parents fed them over the years. You join your 'church', you give your tithes (and then some), you worship your church-party leaders, and every 4 years you renew your vows.

Fact is you're all a little bit right, and a whole lot of wrong. Hmm... if only the two sides could, oh I don't know, somehow join forces and work together for the common good. Then that would mean you'd be collectively a whole lot more right and a whole lot less wrong, no? Of course it would. Instead we have American men and women right now on match.com putting statements in their profiles like "If you are a Dem then don't bother contacting me".... "If you're a Repub then don't bother contacting me".

How sad is that?

Ding, ding... hear that? That's your reverend Limbaugh ringing the church bell. That's pastor Jon Stewart ringing the church bell. Let us go and pray for our own salvation whilst we throw ridicule and scorn at the other side. Let us block the other side from doing anything good at every turn, for it should be us that makes those changes, not THEM!

Ah but what do I know, I'm just a stupid Canadian. :D

Generally speaking, you either believe in personal freedom, responsibility and liberty, or you expect others to tell you what to do, how to act, how to live, where you can go, monitor you, shelter you, & provide for you like a parent your whole life and seek to force others to comply with your will (slavery). There's really no in-between. You are either free, or you are not. There are no degrees of freedom.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Generally speaking, you either believe in personal freedom, responsibility and liberty, or you expect others to tell you what to do, how to act, how to live, where you can go, monitor you, shelter you, & provide for you like a parent your whole life and seek to force others to comply with your will (slavery). There's really no in-between. You are either free, or you are not. There are no degrees of freedom.

so, what you need, is a country of conservatives!

i believe Iran is your answer. have luck.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

Another post made where the person has no clue what they are talking about

One of a few reasons he was placed on ignore

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Where do you get that ridiculous idea that rich pay less taxes? Rich pay MORE taxes. They are punished for being quality members of society, working hard/smart and earning more. Thanks to the leftist loser mentality mongers (punish harder working, give away and encourage less/lazy working crowd).

Because idiots believe Warren Buffet when he says he pays less taxes than his secretary

Originally Posted by Tom_PM

Taxes are based on percentages. If you pay a lower percentage than the next guy, that means you pay less taxes than that guy. It has nothing to do with one number being larger than the other until you talk tax rate, which is expressed as a percentage.

If you pay $1 and I pay $500, no matter what our incomes are, I paid more than you.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

so, what you need, is a country of conservatives!

i believe Iran is your answer. have luck.

Do you think Iran believes in small govt. and personal freedoms?

Remember...Liberal has been hijacked by "Progressives" in this country who have changed what it means to be liberal.
Conservatives have been hijacked by religious social agenda groups.

I'm pretty sure that brother wasn't talking about either of those. He was referring to NOT having the country run by the "progressive" types who never question the govt. and have no sense of self-responsibility.

I'm pretty sure that people in Iran fall in line with the govt. and obey them...just like modern day "liberals" do here in the U.S.
That doesn't mean that liberals would fit in with Iran. Just like it doesn't mean that "conservatives" would either.

Me? I'd probably fit in living at Hedo 2 in Jamaica

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Do you think Iran believes in small govt. and personal freedoms?

Remember...Liberal has been hijacked by "Progressives" in this country who have changed what it means to be liberal.
Conservatives have been hijacked by religious social agenda groups.

I'm pretty sure that brother wasn't talking about either of those. He was referring to NOT having the country run by the "progressive" types who never question the govt. and have no sense of self-responsibility.

I'm pretty sure that people in Iran fall in line with the govt. and obey them...just like modern day "liberals" do here in the U.S.
That doesn't mean that liberals would fit in with Iran. Just like it doesn't mean that "conservatives" would either.

Me? I'd probably fit in living at Hedo 2 in Jamaica

sorry bro, there is absolutely, 100%, no way i can believe this person believes in 'personal freedoms' and 'always questions', while rehashing fox news talking points.



^ this is not a government. yet, deck these two actors out in 'corporate logos', and suddenly you have a 'even more honest than reality' caricature of the current US Government.

soon to be Canadian! and something tells me, soon to be every nato country.

sorry i just scanned your text again. you'd, be wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2...ction_protests

of course, this happened in the US as well. it's just.. they were hippy liberal kids who didn't know what work was.. also, vagabonds who don't know what work is.. also, well.. don't know what work is. you get the idea.

didn't stop the FBI from drawing up these plans however:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/0...ined-Docs-Show

-FBI-Kept-Quiet-About-OWS-Assasination-Plot-FOIA-Obtained-Docs-Show

but hey, there is a school yard fight on.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

so, what you need, is a country of conservatives!

i believe Iran is your answer. have luck.

Since when do Iranian politics represent freedom?

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Since when do Iranian politics represent freedom?

i am glad you asked

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Persian_Oil_Company

reading from 1930s to the coup of 1950s will very much underline how iranian politics represent freedom.

it just so happens, of course, that 'freedom' in this case used religion, and we get what we see today.

seems to be a lot of religion speech in the states. certainly is up here. curious, yes?

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Do you think Iran believes in small govt. and personal freedoms?

Remember...Liberal has been hijacked by "Progressives" in this country who have changed what it means to be liberal.
Conservatives have been hijacked by religious social agenda groups.

I'm pretty sure that brother wasn't talking about either of those. He was referring to NOT having the country run by the "progressive" types who never question the govt. and have no sense of self-responsibility.

I'm pretty sure that people in Iran fall in line with the govt. and obey them...just like modern day "liberals" do here in the U.S.
That doesn't mean that liberals would fit in with Iran. Just like it doesn't mean that "conservatives" would either.

Me? I'd probably fit in living at Hedo 2 in Jamaica

coincidental irony? no..



funny tho.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

i am glad you asked

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Persian_Oil_Company

reading from 1930s to the coup of 1950s will very much underline how iranian politics represent freedom.

it just so happens, of course, that 'freedom' in this case used religion, and we get what we see today.

seems to be a lot of religion speech in the states. certainly is up here. curious, yes?

We don't rule by religious doctrine. Or at least we're not supposed to. Seems the government doesn't really care about that rule as belief in evolution is forced on kids in schools.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

We don't rule by religious doctrine. Or at least we're not supposed to. Seems the government doesn't really care about that rule as belief in evolution is forced on kids in schools.

there is a few different ways of saying this, but:

"hell is full of good wishes and desires" apparently is the first documented version.

you say your country doesn't rule by religious doctrine.. but, there seems to be a great deal of political, national discourse on gay marriage. as a conservative, are you able to explain satisfactorily why a group who trumpets personal freedom and small government, would be so interested in deciding peoples religious futures?

it's an unfair thing to ask, especially considering just how many times 'democrats' and 'republicans' have switched their platforms on the basis of what 'the masses want'.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

sorry i just scanned your text again. you'd, be wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2...ction_protests

Richard, you kill me man. lol

But seriously..if the MAJORITY of Iranians rose up against their govt.things would be different.

They don't. The majority of them back their govt. and do what they are told like sheep.

When a countrie's people actually rise up against the govt. ON THEIR OWN (without the U.S. meddling), then shit happens. (just like when our founding fathers rose up against the most powerful military on Earth in 1776).

Not sure why or how you come up with some of your ideas...but I love ya anyway. lol

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

there is a few different ways of saying this, but:

"hell is full of good wishes and desires" apparently is the first documented version.

you say your country doesn't rule by religious doctrine.. but, there seems to be a great deal of political, national discourse on gay marriage. as a conservative, are you able to explain satisfactorily why a group who trumpets personal freedom and small government, would be so interested in deciding peoples religious futures?

it's an unfair thing to ask, especially considering just how many times 'democrats' and 'republicans' have switched their platforms on the basis of what 'the masses want'.

Personally, I don't give a shit what the homosexuals choose to do.
What I am opposed to is being forced to "accept" & "tolerate" it and fall in line with the rest of the cheerleaders, or else. I'm opposed to the inevitable persecution if someone doesn't "agree" with it. I am opposed to forcing a business to cater to someone they don't want to for ANY reason of their choosing. I am opposed to brainwashing children into thinking that deviant behavior is normal.

Do you see a pattern here?
It's not good enough for them to do what they want, they have to FORCE others to bend to their will and champion their "cause".
Sorry, not on board with that.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Sly

Bush inherited the problem from Clinton (a leftie.) Uh oh. Now what?

Blame is an excuse. Excuses are bull shit. You either do it or you don't. Real men don't say "but mommy, it was hard!" or "they won't play with me!"

The left conveniently forgets the reason why the right will not work with the President. I'm not saying that it's right, I'm not saying it's a worthy excuse (see above,) but at least acknowledge the fact that the President fucked them and they are sore losers. Sore losers do not like hugging the guy that just fucked them. That is just human behavior, that is just politics. That the President did not see it coming is absolutely mind-boggling, shortsighted, and naive.

please provide 5 examples of Clinton was a lefty. I will wait.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Richard, you kill me man. lol

But seriously..if the MAJORITY of Iranians rose up against their govt.things would be different.

They don't. The majority of them back their govt. and do what they are told like sheep.

When a countrie's people actually rise up against the govt. ON THEIR OWN (without the U.S. meddling), then shit happens. (just like when our founding fathers rose up against the most powerful military on Earth in 1776).

Not sure why or how you come up with some of your ideas...but I love ya anyway. lol

i am not sure the numbers on the 'green revolution', and i highly doubt western involvement amounted to much.. considering how libya, syria and ukraine has gone. However, considering the link i posted to BP and what it was doing while it was known as 'Anglo-Persian Oil Company', i think it will be some time before real change is visible.

on their own? with 13 billion of modern currency from france, maybe. also:

'" The accession of this territory will forever affirm the power of the United States, and I have given England a maritime rival who sooner or later will humble her pride."' - Bonaparte

however, with banks controlling your nation, and most banks leading back to european royalty... also, with how much 'royal baby' coverage you guys had in comparison to canada.. 'beliefs' are kinda important, are they not.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by tony286

please provide 5 examples of Clinton was a lefty. I will wait.

Out of everything in that statement, THAT is what you decide to grab on to.

That's called deflection. That's what we do when we need to change the subject because we know the other person is right. It's nice to see that you agree Obama fucked himself by inciting the Tea Party to overthrow the traditional Republicans, totally killing any possibility of "working together." And who are we kidding, he doesn't want to "work together" anyway, he wants things done his way. Not that I blame him, he is the President after all.

I'm not deflecting, it's a waste of time to research five reasons why Bill Clinton would be considered to the left. Democrats are considered left, Republicans are considered right. If you want to play some political spectrum bull shit game that somehow places Bill Clinton to the right of George W. and George Sr, have at it.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Sly

Out of everything in that statement, THAT is what you decide to grab on to.

That's called deflection. That's what we do when we need to change the subject because we know the other person is right. It's nice to see that you agree Obama fucked himself by inciting the Tea Party to overthrow the traditional Republicans, totally killing any possibility of "working together." And who are we kidding, he doesn't want to "work together" anyway, he wants things done his way. Not that I blame him, he is the President after all.

I'm not deflecting, it's a waste of time to research five reasons why Bill Clinton would be considered to the left. Democrats are considered left, Republicans are considered right. If you want to play some political spectrum bull shit game that somehow places Bill Clinton to the right of George W. and George Sr, have at it.

Originally Posted by Sly

Blame is an excuse. Excuses are bull shit. You either do it or you don't. Real men don't say "but mommy, it was hard!" or "they won't play with me!"

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Generally speaking, you either believe in personal freedom, responsibility and liberty, or you expect others to tell you what to do, how to act, how to live, where you can go, monitor you, shelter you, & provide for you like a parent your whole life and seek to force others to comply with your will (slavery). There's really no in-between. You are either free, or you are not. There are no degrees of freedom.

I suppose the question then becomes: will you feel 'more free' if a conservative takes the oath of office in 2016?

Because if that happens I'm pretty sure all those in the church of Dems will feel 'less free'.

That's one of the most curious things about politics I've noticed, is that no matter which of the two 'churches' you worship at, Dem or Con, every member is convinced that all is right with the world when their party is IN, and all is wrong with the world when the other party is IN.

Both sides utterly convinced that all of their party's policies and proposals are 100% right, and the other sides are 100% wrong. Who's thirsty for cool-aid!

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

I suppose the question then becomes: will you feel 'more free' if a conservative takes the oath of office in 2016?

Because if that happens I'm pretty sure all those in the church of Dems will feel 'less free'.

That's one of the most curious things about politics I've noticed, is that no matter which of the two 'churches' you worship at, Dem or Con, every member is convinced that all is right with the world when their party is IN, and all is wrong with the world when the other party is IN.

Both sides utterly convinced that all of their party's policies and proposals are 100% right, and the other sides are 100% wrong. Who's thirsty for cool-aid!

btw, did you write that last post? '2037 humans colonizing'

was well written

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

I suppose the question then becomes: will you feel 'more free' if a conservative takes the oath of office in 2016?

Because if that happens I'm pretty sure all those in the church of Dems will feel 'less free'.

That's one of the most curious things about politics I've noticed, is that no matter which of the two 'churches' you worship at, Dem or Con, every member is convinced that all is right with the world when their party is IN, and all is wrong with the world when the other party is IN.

Both sides utterly convinced that all of their party's policies and proposals are 100% right, and the other sides are 100% wrong. Who's thirsty for cool-aid!

No. Both sides are corrupt to the bone.
The whole diseased system needs to be burned to the fucking ground.

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

wow.

That's a whole lot of stupid all in one viewing.

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