Advice needed, a friend wants to start a live cam operation in Phillipines !

[JFK]

Any words of wisdom? he thinks its a walk in the park. I think, I wouldn't want to spend the rest of my life in some 3rd world country jail Comments would be appreciated, pro or con.

[Axzar]

Plenty have DIED trying. Many more in jail. It's illegal. Not worth it.

Source: Living in the PHL for the past ten years

[Forest]

he is nuts.

[L-Pink]

"The Philippines has passed an anti-"cybersex" crime which bans sex cams. You can see a copy of the new law here: gov.ph/downloads/2012/09sep/20120912-RA-10175-BSA.pdf Previously, there were no direct laws against cams. They used the anti-trafficking act which only covers involuntary situations. As a result, individuals associated with cam studios were, usually, able to escape jail sentences. The law defines it as a felony and punishable by at least 6 years in prison. Chapter 3 also covers the use of corporations in pursuit of these activities."


https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1081...ippines+jai l


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[Captain Kawaii]

If he insists well....by all means, JFK help the gene pool and encourage him.

[Tam]

I'd say your friend is out of their minds and why there? There are a million other places they could do it without so much danger and risks involved.

[JFK]

Thanks guys, keep em coming. If I didn't like the guy I would not try and talk him out of it

[AdultKing]

I was at a meeting in South East Asia last week where the issue of cybercrime in the region was discussed at length. The extent to which the Philippines are committed to stamping out what they call "online sexual exploitation" cannot be underestimated.

There is a very large task force, assisted by international agencies, working to crack down on this and their resolve has only increased with the prevalence of western men seeking to exploit children online via webcam.

As such, if prosecuted you can face life in jail - even if it's only people over 18 involved - and in the Philippines it's way too easy to employ a 16 or 17 year old who presents at being 18.

Then you have to add in the Kuratong Baleleng (mafia) who have a heavy involvement in the current webcam houses run in the Philippines. This group was a former terrorist organisation and are known to kill people without very much of a reason beyond thinking that you might encroach on their turf.

Anyone considering starting a cam operation in the Philippines either has a death wish or wants to rot in a very nasty jail, where there can be 30 to a small cell and fresh water is a luxury you pay for.

[MaDalton]

there are much cheaper and more convenient ways to commit suicide

[Roald]

case closed!

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Roald

case closed!

He's in the business, I sent him the link to the thread. I trust he will take it to heart

[kingthemeZ]

yes its not a good idea and everyone running a sexcam business will end up in jail!

sexcam in the philippines is a big issue because of some adult and parents who exploit their own child for sex cam show for dollar.

[Slappin Fish]

[Roald]

Originally Posted by Slappin Fish

http://www.harrythehorse.asia/?p=7807

[AdultKing]

A footnote to my previous post in this thread, the Thai authorities - under direction from the current interim government (military) - are also going to be cracking down on Thailand based cam houses over coming months - a special unit dedicated to the task was established in late July.

[faxxaff]

Regarding doing business in the Philippines, foreigners always have a problem staying out of trouble. I.e. aliens can have the idea for a business and sell a license, but foreigners should never get involved into dealing with employees or anybody below middle management. Even in a total legal business you will face problems and eventually be driven out unless you have secured "protection", either by paying/supporting involved parties or by having important friends with influence. Later is the best.

Originally Posted by AdultKing

A footnote to my previous post in this thread, the Thai authorities - under direction from the current regime (military) - are also going to be cracking down on Thailand based cam houses over coming months - a special unit dedicated to the task was established in late July.

LOL. Their domestic issues are far more important to them than 30 or 40 camgirls who broadcast abroad. Why would they waste resources on that?

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by faxxaff

LOL. Their domestic issues are far more important to them than 30 or 40 camgirls who broadcast abroad. Why would they waste resources on that?

My understanding that international pressure from NGOs is the main reason.

I was in Thailand last week, domestically the place is fine, there is order on the streets and everything seems to be running quite smoothly. Contrary to the perception by some the Thai authorities are quite well organised and supported by international agencies on these kinds of issues.

The meeting I was at had several representatives from various organisations of various countries - cybercrime is a big issue in South East Asia at the moment so any action ASEAN countries are seen to be taking is a positive in the eyes of those with an interest in the region.

[Slappin Fish]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

A footnote to my previous post in this thread, the Thai authorities - under direction from the current regime (military) - are also going to be cracking down on Thailand based cam houses over coming months - a special unit dedicated to the task was established in late July.

Thai cam houses?! There hasn't been cam studios in Thailand for years. Last one standing in Pattaya was shut down more than 10 years ago. Use to see cops driving in the owners BMW they had confiscated for years around town.

Few Russians girls work out of Thailand and a handful of freelancers. Thai girls where never really into caming, too much hassle, easier to go find some guy and skype for handouts.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by Slappin Fish

Thai cam houses?! There hasn't been cam studios in Thailand for years. Last one standing in Pattaya was shut down more than 10 years ago. Use to see cops driving in the owners BMW they had confiscated for years around town.

Few Russians girls work out of Thailand and a handful of freelancers. Thai girls where never really into caming, too much hassle, easier to go find some guy and skype for handouts.

They exist.

[faxxaff]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

My understanding that international pressure from NGOs is the main reason.

I was in Thailand last week, domestically the place is fine, there is order on the streets and everything seems to be running quite smoothly. Contrary to the perception by some the Thai authorities are quite well organised and supported by international agencies on these kinds of issues.

The meeting I was at had several representatives from various organisations of various countries - cybercrime is a big issue in South East Asia at the moment so any action ASEAN countries are seen to be taking is a positive in the eyes of those with an interest in the region.

I don't think camming on normal commercial platforms that guys here promote are their concern. They could crack down on the operators in the US or EU if they wanted. They are after criminal organizations that use P2P systems for direct payments. Indirect payments where a cam portal takes out 50% wouldn't be of interest for them.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by faxxaff

I don't think camming on normal commercial platforms that guys here promote are their concern. They could crack down on the operators in the US or EU if they wanted. They are after criminal organizations that use P2P systems for direct payments. Indirect payments where a cam portal takes out 50% wouldn't be of interest for them.

I know exactly what's being targeted and why. Unfortunately I cannot share much more than I already have. I've outlined why I would be cautious, that's all I can do.

[The Porn Nerd]

I will leave a typical JFK-type post here:



Hope that helped. :D

[JFK]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

I will leave a typical JFK-type post here:



Hope that helped. :D

hmmmm do I have a "typical" post style ?

[Slappin Fish]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

I know exactly what's being targeted and why. Unfortunately I cannot share much more than I already have. I've outlined why I would be cautious, that's all I can do.

Secret underground stuff, NGO's, international political stuff only AdultKing knows about.

Fuck you're pompous. Thai authorities announce "crack downs" every other week. doesn't mean shit.

[Slappin Fish]

The internet is monitored, cam sites blocked. Way too much hassle even for locals, take a look at lesser known Asian cam sites they are almost entirely devoid of Thais.

Despite your top secret level meeting shit I'll reiterate, the number of Russian girls working out of Thailand is higher than Thais. Cams have been all but dead for 10 years in this country.

[blackmonsters]

Sounds scary to me bro.

[beenthereb4]

I know a girl who has been a model there for over 12 years . She started when she was 18 and is still doing it today . When she started it was easy money and a available job . She worked in a studio at that time and within I think 1 year she had broken out of the studio . Within 2 months that studio got busted because 2 girls were fighting over a guy and the one girl left the studio and turned the other girl into the nbi . This is a very common occurrence .Any girl who is at a studio will get busted , it is just a matter of time .
I still talk to this girl at least 3 to 4 times a week . It amazes me just how down to earth she has stayed and is not caught up in all the drama that usually goes along in that business .
The process of getting id in the philippines is very easy and for these girls to get fake id is very easy . I would guess that at least 25% of the girls working these sites are underage . Like I said I am just guessing .
I guess what surprises me the most is that they allow bar fines but do not allow camming. A bar fine is where a customer goes into the bar has a drink picks a girl and pays the bartender or house mother to have the girl overnight .
I understand about the underage stuff and yes they need to get it stopped and fast . As far as a girl who is 25 or 30 years old deciding if she wants to do webcam for a living I think that should be her choice .
Advice to your friend from someone who has seen many videos while staying in manila is Do Not Do It!! we do not see these videos here in the states , I tried to find some . It is almost a weekly occurrence there to see a news video showing a studio busted and the girls paraded into the streets . He will get caught , they are looking for the bosses , although they do charge the girls they want the owner of the studio . That is why these cam sites that are asian have studios . The studios are not part of the cam site and so if one gets busted another studio will just take its place .
I think you friend has visions of being surrounded by pretty asian girls on the beach or in the bar . In reality he stands a better chance to be surrounded by a bunch of men in orange outfits in a philippines prison .
FYI kidnapping of tourist and Americans there is not that uncommon . On the news there you will see men who have been there for 3 years living and one day they will be kidnapped and their money stolen or held for ransom . I do not go there without someone who I trust being my tour guide . There are many beautiful places in the Philippines but also there is a lot of dangerous people .

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by Slappin Fish

Secret underground stuff, NGO's, international political stuff only AdultKing knows about.

Fuck you're pompous. Thai authorities announce "crack downs" every other week. doesn't mean shit.

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

I was at a meeting last week which dealt with, amongst other things, cybercrime in SEA. If you think I can repeat everything I heard and saw at that meeting then you obviously have no understanding of nature of such things.

I've said what I can say and I'm leaving it at that.

[bagfull]

Philippines ladies will things for 10 where ladies in America will charge you 300.
Cam is out of the questions. Can you do it yes but its illegal. You need to really know the person and that the problem. I know ladies do it from there house no problem, problem comes from when they make money and dont give up to greedy friends. My step mom is ph and my dad lived there over 20 years and I visit 7 times a year

[Slappin Fish]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

I was at a meeting last week which dealt with, amongst other things, cybercrime in SEA. If you think I can repeat everything I heard and saw at that meeting then you obviously have no understanding of nature of such things.

I've said what I can say and I'm leaving it at that.

Again you're being a pompous prick.

I understand more than you ever will attending meetings, and I'll say it again your statement about cam studios in Thailand is plain ignorance.

[MediaGuy]

Apart from the difficulties in finding a legit billable market for his content, there are the personal/professional pitfalls; even if he's not there directly, he doesn't want to get nominated by Scotland Yard or Interpol as a purveyor, let alone have his models busted, caged, raped and maybe worse - the younger the worser....

Bad call.

:D

[Captain Peacock]

Tell him to do it. Don't listen to these haters.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Captain Peacock

Tell him to do it. Don't listen to these haters.

sage advice Capn

[beenthereb4]

One last suggestion for your friend . Here is a article about the Abu Sayyaf . They are related to Al-Qaeda . This article just talks about a few of the kidnappings . This goes on all the time over there . Maybe I can find 1/10 of the information on the internet that I can read in the papers over there . Last time I was there these guys found a small group of soldiers out on patrol and tortured them all until at the end they cut off all their heads . They love foreigners of course , to kidnap for ransom .Everyone thinks it won't happen to them , trust me it does . Ok I will shut up now .

[CarlosTheGaucho]

One of the worst possible places to ever even consider opening a cam studio. You don't want to deal with the authorities or any sort of shady characters, workers exploitation is very frequent (there are cases where models are basically locked down and forced to work for food and shelter). This is NOT the civilized world as we know it.

There are way too many things out of control that may turn very bad, and in most cases they do, the output is absolutely not worth it.

The only legit "studio" from Phillipines I've ever dealt with was a guy in Europe who has the contract with the cam site and clears the money through his company, his models work remote, and I'm sure they're dead scared anyone finds out.

[katja_AWNews]

not worth it
he can come to Romania ;)
.......... mhh perhaps not a good idea also

[DWB]

Anything is possible. Tell him to put on his big boy pants and have at it. I know someone who is doing it. He greases a lot of wheels though. He also doesn't sleep well because he never knows when one of those greased wheels is going to throw him under the bus.

Originally Posted by faxxaff

heir domestic issues are far more important to them than 30 or 40 camgirls who broadcast abroad. Why would they waste resources on that?

The same reason they always waste resources, because someone gets to look good in the paper. There is usually a small cam bust once a year or so, usually just a western guy and girl or two, and they have no problems spending money on this even though it solves nothing. Total waste of time and money, but the police get to pretend they did something.

Originally Posted by Slappin Fish

Thai cam houses?! There hasn't been cam studios in Thailand for years. Last one standing in Pattaya was shut down more than 10 years ago. Use to see cops driving in the owners BMW they had confiscated for years around town.

Few Russians girls work out of Thailand and a handful of freelancers. Thai girls where never really into caming, too much hassle, easier to go find some guy and skype for handouts.

Thai girls are not into cams, that is correct in the sense of western cam sites. However, they are in abundance freelance catering to Thai males across social media and dek sideline sites, in Thai language. They use direct deposit and true cards to get paid. It's fairly popular among the locals. Lots of girls doing this.

That said, there are still several people doing a lot of cam work in Thailand, they are just small and set the girls up in their own rooms instead of a central location or actual "studio" They also house foreigners. Russians, Filipinas, Vietnamese, and so on.

Originally Posted by Slappin Fish

The internet is monitored, cam sites blocked. Way too much hassle even for locals, take a look at lesser known Asian cam sites they are almost entirely devoid of Thais.

The locals use the Thai language sites for freelance cam girls who will cam over skype, msn, or another method. None of them have ever had a problem, and the Thai sites never get blocked, while the police focus on girls who make money for westerners and western porn sites. Bigger payout for the police + they appear as if they are helping those poor girls escape their hard life of cam slavery.

The problem isn't porn or cams, the problem is WESTERNERS involved with porn or cams. Thai language sites are hidden from the rest of the world, thus it doesn't exist, thus no loss of face to Thailand. Put it in a foreign language where the outside world can see it, and it's suddenly a huge problem.

[trevesty]

Don't do it unless you have friends in high places paid off.

[2MuchMark]

LOTS of reasons not to do it. First it's illegal as you've read by now. I've heard that many cam girls from the Philippines are forced into the job. The "studios" often dumps, and many of the girls look like they really don't want to be there. Poor English makes it harder to convert visitors into customers, and on and on.

[WebClicks]

Go to Streamate and select Asian. The majority are Filipinas, so it looks like there are plenty of people that are willing to take the risk.

[beenthereb4]

Hi it's me again . If your friend has not changed his mind and decided not to do this yet here is some great recent bust in the philippines . article 1 article 2 article 3 . Now I understand these articles are about a webcam blackmail scheme. It does not matter , the reason is ,the Philippines Police confiscate every computer and sign into each account yahoo,skype, webcam sites that the girls work in . All the sign ins are given to the police freely because the girls don't have lawyers .So if you are one of these girls bosses you will be caught within 24 hours . This current investigation by interpol and the philippines nbi, police etc. has been going on for over a year and with all the spin offs they have with each bust, it is sure to last for years into the future .

[iSpyCams]

Yep, don't do it. Personally I have a lot to gain and it would be trivial for me, I have the funds, the connections and the sites to put the girls to work on, but I don't need that headache. So many friendlier countries to mess around in.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by CookieMonster

Go to Streamate and select Asian. The majority are Filipinas, so it looks like there are plenty of people that are willing to take the risk.

Not really. Just a few who have all those girls.

[Seth Manson]

If he's too stupid to listen, then tell him to go for it. People that do stupid shit like that usually deserve what happens to them.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by DWB

Not really. Just a few who have all those girls.

DWB, off topic but can you please get in touch ? thanks.

[xNetworx]

If you secretly hate your friend, tell him to go for it

[georgeyw]

What kind of idiot actually needs to be told why this is a bad idea?

[JFK]

Originally Posted by georgeyw

What kind of idiot actually needs to be told why this is a bad idea?

I wanted him to hear it from other quarters

[Barry-xlovecam]

Not to clever is he? LOL

If you open a 'studio' in Manila and run an ad in the paper for models -- bring lots of bail and bribe money with you.

[Slappin Fish]

Originally Posted by DWB

Thai girls are not into cams, that is correct in the sense of western cam sites. However, they are in abundance freelance catering to Thai males across social media and dek sideline sites, in Thai language. They use direct deposit and true cards to get paid. It's fairly popular among the locals. Lots of girls doing this.

Ever since the days of camfrog and msn. I'm familiar with the scene. A few dek sideline sites these days but they are few and far between.

Originally Posted by DWB

The locals use the Thai language sites for freelance cam girls who will cam over skype, msn, or another method. None of them have ever had a problem, and the Thai sites never get blocked, while the police focus on girls who make money for westerners and western porn sites. Bigger payout for the police + they appear as if they are helping those poor girls escape their hard life of cam slavery.

The discussion was about studios, Thai cam houses as AK likes to call them. Thai and Chinese mafias don't set up studios for a simple reason: it's not good business. A Thai girl with debt to repay can bring in much much more sitting in a soapie on Ratchada, while Viets/Laos will work all over the country. Mafia are bad people they are not stupid people, they don't waste their best resources.

Originally Posted by DWB

they are just small and set the girls up in their own rooms instead of a central location or actual "studio" They also house foreigners. Russians, Filipinas, Vietnamese, and so on

I agree, like i said quite a few russians work from here, but it's a home set up. Thai girls online are also freelancers, mostly "pretties" making an extra buck.