Spain Programmer

[Horny Guy]

Im after a programmer to test and maybe fix a small problem

Do not contact me if you are not in Spain you cant do this from a proxy

you will need to pass through many scam tests so scammers there is no need to try

info at herveybayseo.com

[Klen]

Lol at scam tests.Just dont pay upfront and problem solved,as you are registered here from 2002 that gives you credibility.That is how i view on which party should pay first-the one with more posts/better reputation should have advantage

[Horny Guy]

Mate I have never been scammed in adult to date ...their are lot of scammers on here
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and no I don't pay upfront anyway ..still their are many ways to be scammed even if you don't pay upfront..

Anyway this has been fixed ...thanks for all the emails

[luqita]

Not paying upfront as a policy is retarded... I always pay upfront a percentage if the other person wants it, and also request an upfront payment for all jobs that I do.

I never had any issues. It's a risk that you have to take, but you can feel if the other person is actually interested in doing the job after talking for a few minutes or seeing their work.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by luqita

Not paying upfront as a policy is retarded... I always pay upfront a percentage if the other person wants it, and also request an upfront payment for all jobs that I do.

I never had any issues. It's a risk that you have to take, but you can feel if the other person is actually interested in doing the job after talking for a few minutes or seeing their work.

Well you can thank that to billions of scammers and bad programmers.Till that change,not paying upfront policy should be always applied unless service provider have good reputation.

[luqita]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Well you can thank that to billions of scammers and bad programmers.Till that change,not paying upfront policy should be always applied unless service provider have good reputation.

Well, you can also hire an on-site programmer to work in your office, make him sign a work contract, and he can just show up and do nothing every day until you fire him, and you still have to pay him.

Hiring someone has many risks (other risks include a final low quality product, excessive time to finish the work, etc), and I believe it's a matter of balancing risk vs gain, and also doing the required diligence --checking reputation, previous works, references if any-- etc.

The people who are scammed are usually the ones who are looking for the cheapest possible option to start on their work 'ASAP', without taking into consideration the experience of the new hire, communication skills, and any other thing that makes someone a great asset to have around. Scammers will just fail in this area, and that's why I don't have any problems paying upfront, and also the reason why my clients don't have any problems paying me upfront either.

Just my 2c

[Klen]

Originally Posted by luqita

Well, you can also hire an on-site programmer to work in your office, make him sign a work contract, and he can just show up and do nothing every day until you fire him, and you still have to pay him.

Hiring someone has many risks (other risks include a final low quality product, excessive time to finish the work, etc), and I believe it's a matter of balancing risk vs gain, and also doing the required diligence --checking reputation, previous works, references if any-- etc.

The people who are scammed are usually the ones who are looking for the cheapest possible option to start on their work 'ASAP', without taking into consideration the experience of the new hire, communication skills, and any other thing that makes someone a great asset to have around. Scammers will just fail in this area, and that's why I don't have any problems paying upfront, and also the reason why my clients don't have any problems paying me upfront either.

Just my 2c

Whatever,but in reality there is no fixed rule.I know plenty of examples where people with contracts were not paid.Also,as i have rule to not pay upfront unless reputable person,same goes when i provide service-i dont ask payment upfront,only after everything is 100% done,unless someone unknown, and that worked always except one time when i was'nt paid for full time work 1k$ but then it was pro con artist in question which beside me also scammed tons of other people even for 6 figures of money.
And another thing,when it comes to service providing,the one who order it risk more as he loses money then while provider loses only his time.

[Horny Guy]

Originally Posted by luqita

Not paying upfront as a policy is retarded... I always pay upfront a percentage if the other person wants it, and also request an upfront payment for all jobs that I do.

I never had any issues. It's a risk that you have to take, but you can feel if the other person is actually interested in doing the job after talking for a few minutes or seeing their work.

Good for you ..you have been here since 2010 ...

I have been doing this since 2000 and have seen a lot of the scams come and go

you can go pay up front... do what you like ...we don't ..simple as that ..

I have done a lot of deals on here many times over if they cant wait till the job is done for payment I don't need to use them simple