test joins .. test joins ... test joins ...

[Relentless]

@Lucas

$149.56 divided by 4,798 Uniques = $.0311 paid per click (according to your screenshot)

That is the first useful information you have posted in this thread.

Thank you.

[OldJeff]

Originally Posted by lucas131

btw, i dont know which account you blocked, but i see my ruc account still works? just took this screen ...



just not sure what happenned around 5th and today, submits dissapears, but of course all is good at your side ... but nevermind, not my problem anymore, i have enough of your excuses and strange working stats ... more results from other programs to come, so if some owner is doing some testing, please let me know in advance, so we dont need to go through this stupid posts anymore ...

Dude, you are not being shaved, your problem is you have no fucking traffic

[lucas131]

Originally Posted by OldJeff

Dude, you are not being shaved, your problem is you have no fucking traffic

i wish i started in 2003 and be clever like you old bros now

[lucas131]

Originally Posted by Relentless

@Lucas

$149.56 divided by 4,798 Uniques = $.0311 paid per click (according to your screenshot)

That is the first useful information you have posted in this thread.

Thank you.

i am not good in ppc, but i am happy with every unique hit i am sending to my sponsors, and as far i know they are happy for them too

[OldJeff]

Originally Posted by lucas131

i wish i started in 2003 and be clever like you old bros now

I didn't start in 03, that is when I joined this happy little playground. I actually started in 97, but that matters not.

You still have no fucking traffic, you show 3 joins in 15 days, I did more than that in the last 15 minutes.

[lucas131]

Originally Posted by OldJeff

I didn't start in 03, that is when I joined this happy little playground. I actually started in 97, but that matters not.

You still have no fucking traffic, you show 3 joins in 15 days, I did more than that in the last 15 minutes.

yeah, you are whale, but this thread is not about my success or how many sales i send to one sponsor i tested for shave and not counted my sale, but it is about sponsors not counting sales keep up the good work happy oldschool whale

[OldJeff]

Originally Posted by lucas131

yeah, you are whale, but this thread is not about my success or how many sales i send to one sponsor i tested for shave and not counted my sale, but it is about sponsors not counting sales keep up the good work happy oldschool whale

Nope, I am a Whale Wragler

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by lucas131

i am not good in ppc, but i am happy with every unique hit i am sending to my sponsors, and as far i know they are happy for them too

Instead of posting who you imagine might have shaved anyone, do me a favor and post how much each sponsor pays you per click. That is information professionals can use

[Ruseful]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

What a coincidence though that Lucas happened to catch it after only two days. You have to admit that looks a little suspicious, right? Put yourself in the affiliate's shoes.

As for terminating Lucas' account as well as that of other affiliates because they want to be actually credited for the sales they refer (you know, what you were supposed to be doing and what was your responsibility all along), will you be pocketing any rebill revenue due to those affiliates from prior joins or will you be honoring your obligations like a honest businessman would?

No, I'm not your affiliate. Just lending support to others.

Already stated that rebills will be credited to terminated affiliates. Why the fuck would I keep those pennies? Do you think I enjoy these threads?

[lucas131]

Originally Posted by Relentless

Instead of posting who you imagine might have shaved anyone, do me a favor and post how much each sponsor pays you per click. That is information professionals can use

why? this thread is not about it, and if you make million per click, i really fuck dont care

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by mopek1

Nobody works as hard and as well for someone else as they do for themselves.

So, you bring nothing at all. I get it.

[ravo]

Originally Posted by Relentless

@Lucas

$149.56 divided by 4,798 Uniques = $.0311 paid per click (according to your screenshot)

That is the first useful information you have posted in this thread.

Thank you.

Just a quick correction: Those 4798 uniques are based on the PROGRAM'S stats, not the affiliates. It's likely that more traffic was sent, which would lower the "per click" number.

Please resume your conversation...

[Klen]

Originally Posted by OldJeff

That should tell you something

I just remembered how one program which was private from start and where i was invited went out of biz,so i guess that indeed telling me something

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by mopek1

No kidding.

Everyone keeps saying how us affiliates don't matter and how we're dying etc. and then when we get together in a thread they come in like viking invaders trying to throw us all off.

People do that when they feel threatened.

It's usually the same people doing it over and over again. I think I'm just going to add them to the ole ignore list again.

Originally Posted by Ruseful

Already stated that rebills will be credited to terminated affiliates. Why the fuck would I keep those pennies? Do you think I enjoy these threads?

Good. Hopefully that means you will actually pay them too and not just credit it to an account they cannot access. I don't know if you enjoy it or not but you seem to have more than your share of controversy. For some reason it seems to surround you.

[Matt 26z]

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Nice catch. It's been there since before Lucas started the thread too.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140207....faketaxi.com/

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by ravo

Just a quick correction: Those 4798 uniques are based on the PROGRAM'S stats, not the affiliates. It's likely that more traffic was sent, which would lower the "per click" number. Please resume your conversation...

That's the numbers that Lucas posted so that's the numbers I used. I do agree, any affiliate should use their own stats tracking to know how many clicks they have sent.

[Ruseful]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Good. Hopefully that means you will actually pay them too and not just credit it to an account they cannot access. I don't know if you enjoy it or not but you seem to have more than your share of controversy. For some reason it seems to surround you.

You are just like my ex wife, always a dig. They will be paid to the account lucas131 had on his aff account before I suspended it. So, if he has been getting his previous payouts, then he will continue to get all of his future rebills.

I guess the affiliates (the ones that have always created the controversy that I have no choice but to respond too) never forgave me for YP. I can accept that and am good with it too. I will point out that virtually all the controversy is on GFY. Go figure.

The offer is still open to any affiliate that wants me to suspend their account too. Just post your aff ids in this thread.

[MrTrollkien]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Good catch, but when I saw his first posts on this topic, immediately released that they have common interests

and I am sure that there are more scammers to be exposed.

[lucas131]

Originally Posted by Ruseful

The offer is still open to any affiliate that wants me to suspend their account too. Just post your aff ids in this thread.

what a great offer you know, people may be pissed, but everyone will better keep their percents and get shaved from time to time, than get nothing

[bigluv]

I knew relentless was an asshole, thanks for pointing out exactly how much of one.

[druid66]

Originally Posted by Ruseful

The offer is still open to any affiliate that wants me to suspend their account too. Just post your aff ids in this thread.

i've started in 2003, never heard such line from any sponsor before, i wish i could have account with you just to say to you fuck off.

you deserve to epic fall.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Ruseful

Do you seriously believe that I would delete my account on here because of teencat?

Upset at what questions about my tube experiences?

And no other program continually shoots as much quality content as I do per month, for all of the sites that i have, and the sites we have coming online.

No special relationship exists with the tubes. What you will find with the tubes is that cream rises to the top. That why I have 12 of the 16 highest rated websites of all time on YouPorn. Thats why FakeTaxi is the #1 most searched for term on every tube site that I upload to, including YouPorn, PornHub, xHamster etc etc. Thats why PublicAgent is #5, and why 7 of my sites names are in the top 50 most searched for terms on a tube site.

Think about it, why isn't MindGeek's tubes home pages full brazzers, Mofos, Wiked, DP thumbnails? Because there is BETTER content from their other content partners, that their users like. And it is these users that determine, with their ratings, what content makes it on the homepage/s. Why would a tube fill their home pages with inferior content?

Just look on YouPorn at the most subscribed too channels. most in the top 20 are mine. Most popular, most are mine. Highest rated, most are mine. You get the idea. Most are mine, not because of bro favours, but because of the quality of the actual clips my team uploads to the tubes. This is why you see so many of my videos online. In the "being watched now" sections on the home pages. Simply because, the algorithm used, actually selects the best weighted videos from actually videos being watched. Again, why would you put a poor rated video in that section on your homepage?

Maybe you just don't get how to utilise the tubes? How to properly monetise the tubes. I never see a lot of your content online. A few companies do get it though, mine included.

And I can only assume from what you have written about me, and your obviously negative feelings for me, that I can rip up your invite to participate in cloud.xxx and tube.xxx. Thats cool with me too.

JT you have a way of getting your panties in a bunch quite a lot here on GFY. You seem to be politcally clueles as to how to speak/treat affiliates. But that's your choice I suppose. I wouldn't communicate with affiliates the way you do but, as you seem to love to point out, you don't really 'need' to be nice to affiliates, do you? Yay for you I guess. But must suck to be a Ruseful affiliate considering your attitude towards affs.

But moving on: you don't see my content on the tubes, eh? Well now.....LOL! I upload to every major tube, and often my clips are right next to yours on PornHub, YouPorn, XHamster et al. Maybe you don't realize they are mine? Surely you know Fellucia Blow and ErosExotica are mine. Go check out the YouPorn channels for those sites. I believe Fellucia is #17 in YouPorn's Top 20 but I haven't checked for a few weeks....

Finally, as for 'cream tising to the top'. So you are saying that X-Art, Nubiles, Met-Art (yes, even ErosExoitca and Fellucia Blow) are producing clips that are less quality than yours? Please excuse me while I laugh out loud. Why do those clips/companies not get 15 clips per day on the various tubes Homepages? hmmm.....say what you want about me and my sites/content but if you claim Met-Art, X-Art et al are not in your league then I don't know what to say. I disagree with your overall position, let's put it that way.

We have an expression here in NYC that is approrpriate: don't piss on my leg and then tell me it's raining.

YOU better than anyone know how well ErosExotica, Fellucia Blow, Touch the Body and a few other of my sites do and have performed for years now. If you do not want that content on your new project that is your call, I was never invited nor approached about cloud.xxx or tube.xxx. Again, you seem to have a knee-jerk combative attitude with anyone who questions your statements. Maybe it's stress, too much work or an over-inflated sense of your own success.

But whatever it is you are not making many allies. Again, maybe you don't care. But your posts, deleting of profiles, attitudes towards affiliates and now bashing me for bringing up legitimate points only makes you look like a bush league, which you are not. So I am wondering if you think this 'approach' is helpful to you.

Work with me or not that's your call but do not come in here saying my content is not as good as yours because you fucking know better. Literally.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by OldJeff

Please don't pretend to know what I "think,assume,know,dream about" or anything else about me.

I think we have very different definition of program owners.

The point I was trying to get across, in my own loving and gentle way was do business with people you know you can trust, don't have problems, the end

I do not pretend to know. I KNOW that you CAN NOT KNOW how all program owners think.
Your arguments were aimed at decent program owner and yes - decent program owner can see that shaving nowadays is stupid.
What about stupid program owner? What about irrational program owner? What about indecent program owner? What about greedy program owner? What about genuinely shady person program owner? What about junkie program owner? What about gambling debts having program owner? What about X, Y, Z.. program owner?

[bigluv]

Originally Posted by Ruseful

Lucas131, your account has been terminated. Please remove all your links to my sites as I will NOT be crediting you with the 2 sales that you pushed me a month.

All other affiliates, please list your aff id's and I will terminate your accounts too. There were enough vocal people in this list, supporting Lucas131 and his super sleuth investigations on fractions of a full join per day. But as of yet, no one has come forward to list their aff id's.

Real class act.

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Nice catch. It's been there since before Lucas started the thread too

If you scroll up in this thread I mention WebsiteSecure.org. If you scroll up in this thread to post #91 or click the following link you'll see I already clearly explained in detail exactly what it certifies and what it does not certify. I also linked directly to the enforcement page for anyone who ever finds any program certified doing anything unethical on the consumer level: https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=20044777&postcount=91

WebsiteSecure.org seals are consumer trust certifications. They are granted after detailed site inspections and involve test joins of certified sites. We also solicit information from actual customers about the sites they join on the consumer level. WebsiteSecure.org certifies hundreds of sites in mainstream and adult, including many sites on the ReallyUsefulCash network, that is very public information. You posting as if you think you 'uncovered' something is laughable.

In the entire time WebsiteSecure.org has certified the RUC sites there has not been one single complaint from any consumer, and in our own test joins we have never had any issue with the amount charged, privacy issues or anything else important to buyers. Nothing in this thread or anywhere else suggests that customers are being billed or treated inappropriately. WebsiteSecure.org is not an affiliate tool and has nothing to do with affiliate program management.

This is a great example of the foolishness you enjoy. You make idiotic assumptions, act like you found something, and then later say 'we didn't accuse anyone of anything' because you know as well as everyone else that your claims are baseless. It's just a poor attempt to throw mud while wasting time you could have used to earn money ethically.

Thanks for proving my point

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

I do not pretend to know. I KNOW that you CAN NOT KNOW how all program owners think.

That's 100% correct.

But you can know how much they pay per click with absolute certainty.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Ruseful

I guess the affiliates (the ones that have always created the controversy that I have no choice but to respond too) never forgave me for YP. I can accept that and am good with it too. I will point out that virtually all the controversy is on GFY. Go figure.

Well I also read the dust up with your employee on another forum not too long ago. I wouldn't be surprised if people have trouble trusting or liking you after YP. Especially when you rub it in their noses so to speak. You might want to re-think some things if getting people to like you is at all important to you.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Fat Panda

gfy 2014 = surfers defending programs assfucking affiliates

Nice catch. One or 2 persons were nicely exposed in this thread...

[Relentless]

Still waiting for anyone to explain to me how "you need to look at the amount paid per click" is defending anyone or hiding anything.

[Ruseful]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Well I also read the dust up with your employee on another forum not too long ago. I wouldn't be surprised if people have trouble trusting or liking you after YP. Especially when you rub it in their noses so to speak. You might want to re-think some things if getting people to like you is at all important to you.

That I fired the guy for a second time, for the same reason, then read all the libel he had written about me on a personal level and about my company? But still paid him 2 months notice?

And believe me, I need no friends from gfy, I have enough from Xbiz and other forums. Most I do a lot of business with.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Relentless

If you scroll up in this thread I mention WebsiteSecure.org. If you scroll up in this thread to post #91 or click the following link you'll see I already clearly explained in detail exactly what it certifies and what it does not certify. I also linked directly to the enforcement page for anyone who ever finds any program certified doing anything unethical on the consumer level: https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=20044777&postcount=91

WebsiteSecure.org seals are consumer trust certifications. They are granted after detailed site inspections and involve test joins of certified sites. We also solicit information from actual customers about the sites they join on the consumer level. WebsiteSecure.org certifies hundreds of sites in mainstream and adult, including many sites on the ReallyUsefulCash network, that is very public information. You posting as if you think you 'uncovered' something is laughable.

In the entire time WebsiteSecure.org has certified the RUC sites there has not been one single complaint from any consumer, and in our own test joins we have never had any issue with the amount charged, privacy issues or anything else important to buyers. Nothing in this thread or anywhere else suggests that customers are being billed or treated inappropriately. WebsiteSecure.org is not an affiliate tool and has nothing to do with affiliate program management.

This is a great example of the foolishness you enjoy. You make idiotic assumptions, act like you found something, and then later say 'we didn't accuse anyone of anything' because you know as well as everyone else that your claims are baseless. It's just a poor attempt to throw mud while wasting time you could have used to earn money ethically.

Thanks for proving my point

WebsiteSecure is a great thng for consumers and I am considering using them for my new Program/sites.

Besides, I didn't see anywhere in this thread where Relentless was defending Ruseful in terms of JT's personality or attitude. He has been focusing on PPC data, which for Relentless is the best possible metric for effort and success. I personally think PPC is but one element, as Sly has pointed out (and Relentless agreed). So I don't see Relentless's posts here as being 'part of the problem' or BROspeak.

No, the "problem" is JT's attitude and seeming inability to be humble with his "I rule the Internet now' bullshit. As I have pointed out countless times: Ruseful's success is because he has piggy-backed off other people's success then financed his kingdom with money from the sale of YouPorn. I find it laughable that JT thinks this makes him a 'visonary' when it was other people ideas, websites and videos that JT has used for the basis for his 'success'.

Again: give ME $500,000 (or however much JT got from the sale of YouPorn) and watch how fast I rise to the top. Like cream JT, just like cream! LOL

But what's WORSE is JT coming on here trying to school those of us who know better how to 'monetize the tubes'. JT has said his ratio is 1:750 for his sites. Guess what MINE are? 1:500. JT has said he switched to Epoch as a 'test' to explain 'the ratios'. Gee JT, that's something us small idiot webmasters who don't know SHIT do, too! Huh, I guess that 1:750 was more like 1:2000+ those days, eh? Huh, just like US!!

Give me a break JT. Some of us are not clueless fuck newbs and YOU better than anyone should know that about ME firsthand. So please stop and get some fucking humility, oui oui?

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

I cant remember any program which went from public to private.

Originally Posted by OldJeff

That should tell you something

Says that invite only is not the better model for sponsors (otherwise many would have gone private)? The opposite of what some of you implied?

[OldJeff]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Says that invite only is not the better model for sponsors (otherwise many would have gone private)? The opposite of what some of you implied?

A lot more than you think have

[Relentless]

@The Porn Nerd

Two quick things....

1 - Payment per click isn't just the best metric for me. It's the best metric. Yes, it should include an evaluation of resources needed to generate each click as Sly pointed out.

2 - If JT was willing to sell YouPorn for just 500K the list of people willing to buy it would have been miles and miles and miles and miles long. It's also worth noting, nobody 'gave him' 500K. So it would be more accurate to say 'when I earn what he earned, Ill have a huge advantage too" - and on that I agree with you 100%.


Contact me any time to have your sites inspected.

[Jel]

fwiw... Jt & Ruseful = easily in the top 10 people/programs I've worked with/promoted in terms of making it super easy for affiliates.

'this is what I need, can we do this?'
boom, 'yes, here's the obvious T&C's for you to be able to do that'
'awesome, no probs, catch you maybe at some point in the future if I ever need anything'

affiliates' wet dream.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Ruseful

That I fired the guy for a second time, for the same reason, then read all the libel he had written about me on a personal level and about my company? But still paid him 2 months notice?

And believe me, I need no friends from gfy, I have enough from Xbiz and other forums. Most I do a lot of business with.

There were some interesting details within that. I found it an interesting read. All I'm saying is that like I said it seems controversy has a way of finding you.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Relentless

That's 100% correct.

But you can know how much they pay per click with absolute certainty.

Why do you keep posting the same thing while everybody already understood your point of view.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Damn. I thought - it is very strange how strongly this guy is trying to derail this thread. Now it gives the full perspective why

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Why do you keep posting the same thing while everybody already understood your point of view.

Because if you actually understood my point of view, you wouldn't continue reaching at invisible dots and trying to connect them with delusions. You would be busy doing something else that is more productive.

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Damn. I thought - it is very strange how strongly this guy is trying to derail this thread. Now it gives the full perspective

Derail the thread? I said look at what they pay per click. If they don't pay enough per click DONT send traffic to them. How does that derail anything? If anything it makes it even more clear about where to send traffic and where not to send traffic.

The only thing that picture proves is that Matt26z is terrible at Photoshop

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Relentless

@The Porn Nerd


2 - If JT was willing to sell YouPorn for just 500K the list of people willing to buy it would have been miles and miles and miles and miles long. It's also worth noting, nobody 'gave him' 500K. So it would be more accurate to say 'when I earn what he earned, Ill have a huge advantage too" - and on that I agree with you 100%.


Contact me any time to have your sites inspected.

JT was not 'the owner' of YouPorn, was he? Perhaps one of the owners? So however many millions he made is not the point. The point is resources and implementing data mined from other people's efforts (like mine).

NOTHING wrong with that, and quite clever (and smart business). The "problem" is with attitude and thinking because of this you are somehow smarter than anyone else around you. It really is quite laughable and tells ME there's some overcompensation going on here.

But really, when all is said and done, I don't really give a fuck WHAT JT or Ruseful do because it doesn't affect MY business in any way. Maybe when his tube projects take off there may be something there for Program Owners like me but til then everything else is just babble and nonsense.

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

I don't really give a fuck because it doesn't affect MY business in any way... everything else is just babble and nonsense.

Thanks for summing up the entire thread.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Why do you keep posting the same thing while everybody already understood your point of view.

I'm not sure what he's been saying in the last two pages as I finally put him on ignore but check this out:

https://gfy.com/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=1134448

Kind of ridiculous.

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

I'm not sure what he's been saying in the last two pages as I finally put him on ignore but check this out: https://gfy.com/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=1134448 Kind of ridiculous.

The fact that you use a dummy as your avatar says all anyone needs to know.

[Penny24Seven]

this reminds me of when I see the treads asking if sales are up or down or when they blame it on something they saw on TV.
If you are doing less then 500 sales a day it is not possible to blame it on anything other then you do not have enough sales to know anything.
sales/joins per day 58-22-57-44-81-33-57 that is normal and not enough to get a real look at anything

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by Brian837

this reminds me of when I see the treads asking if sales are up or down or when they blame it on something they saw on TV. If you are doing less then 500 sales a day it is not possible to blame it on anything other then you do not have enough sales to know anything. sales/joins per day 58-22-57-44-81-33-57 that is normal and not enough to get a real look at anything

Anything except.....

How much money you were paid per click sent.

That number remains perfectly accurate whether you send 1 sale or 1 million sales.

[lucas131]

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

So, you bring nothing at all. I get it.

Damian you are off in your own world ...

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

JT you have a way of getting your panties in a bunch quite a lot here on GFY. You seem to be politcally clueles as to how to speak/treat affiliates. But that's your choice I suppose. I wouldn't communicate with affiliates the way you do but, as you seem to love to point out, you don't really 'need' to be nice to affiliates, do you? Yay for you I guess. But must suck to be a Ruseful affiliate considering your attitude towards affs.

I've been trying to tell him this the whole thread ... hopefully because it's coming from someone else he might listen.