test joins .. test joins ... test joins ...

[Nurgle]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

there aren't enough sales out there anymore for it to even make sense for an affiliate program to shave its sponsors... the only way I would even consider shaving would be reversed shaving where I add sales to an affiliate to get them motivated, but shaving is so 1999

if only more sponsors would reverse shave! LOL

[klinton]

Originally Posted by bigluv

And then there's the large obvious fact of the shaving that was uncovered last year when "a banned user" did some testing causing that program to withdraw from the boards.

which program ? which banned user ?

[bigluv]

Originally Posted by klinton

which program ? which banned user ?

Sorry, it was extremely public, if you missed it you obviously weren't here at the time.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by bigluv

you obviously weren't here at the time.

That is why he is asking

[dehash]

Another fail thread? I already seen few before. Don't be like the rest - bring as some results pleaseeeeeeeeee.
Or you got access to dozen members areas and watching all kinky videos now unstoppable?

[iSpyCams]

I am sure if he found anything worth reporting he would have said something by now, Teencat doesn't usually hold back.

[dehash]

I mean positive result is also a result. I am not looking for negative result only.

[lucas131]

oh guys first, i have been one week at european summit, not working of course. next thing, testing is not like i do one now and all done. it will be spread in next weeks, to get bigger time frame, everywhere will be like two or three test joins, all documented, and all, even success ones, will be reported. documents reported will depends on how much drama will be looking from the report, but all my tests will be reported, all of them stay tuned, and dont be hurry, it would be not serious testing then have a nice day everyone and thanks for the interest!

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by lucas131

oh guys first, i have been one week at european summit, not working of course. next thing, testing is not like i do one now and all done. it will be spread in next weeks, to get bigger time frame, everywhere will be like two or three test joins, all documented, and all, even success ones, will be reported. documents reported will depends on how much drama will be looking from the report, but all my tests will be reported, all of them stay tuned, and dont be hurry, it would be not serious testing then have a nice day everyone and thanks for the interest!

Looking forward (Of course some sponsors will keep your account "good" since you reported this thing in public).

[nexcom28]

Any news on this?

[lucas131]

in progress ... have a nice weekend everyone

[Phoenix]

lets see it

[dehash]

We didn't forget about this thread.

[MasterBlow]

Originally Posted by dehash

We didn't forget about this thread.

[anexsia]

What's going on with this??

[dehash]

My guess was he is watching all kinky movies from ALL members areas he purchased access to.

[mineistaken]

He said "it would be spread in next weeks".

[mopek1]

Subscribed.

[lucas131]

lol guys if i say it will take few weeks, it doesnt mean i will publish anything in few days find something else meanwhile, i will bump this thread when some updates will come

[Paul&John]

Originally Posted by lucas131

lol guys if i say it will take few weeks, it doesnt mean i will publish anything in few days find something else meanwhile, i will bump this thread when some updates will come

looking forward to it

[PornDiscounts-V]

K.. been a few weeks. Even more than a couple!

[Nurgle]

u can always do your own tests instead of being lazy waiting for these!

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by nexcom28

Any news on this?

YES!

I still like poo...

[lucas131]

ok, so lets start, slowly ... first tried was nubiles. made two transactions, first, from my card to my account, on nubiles casting, transaction came through, no problem. then, two weeks later, did another transaction, on nubiles porn, using friends credit card, to another friends account, and again, all goes through fast and well ... so, nubiles and their stats are working well, no shaving detected if all goes well, i will post only this small report, when there will be some shaving or something suspicious, i will post bigger report, with screens and so ... so, more to come, stay tuned and have luck with your business everyone!

[mopek1]

Thanks for getting it started.

[Fat Panda]

nice work teencat

[klinton]

thx man and bump........

[lucas131]

ok, so here we go with another one ... not that good a previous nubiles ... this time, reallyusefulcash. first test join have been about two weeks ago, made with their nats link from ruc nats, on fakehospital site, used my card and my nats account. all goes well, sale have been listed fast, no problem. then, here we go: problem. second transaction, few days ago. made on fakehospital on their ccbill link listed on fakehospital site, used friends card and another friends account. now, clicked on ccbill link takes you to fakehospital site, but when clicking on join, it takes you to vendo biller, no ccbill form, no chance to get ccbill join form. so, reallyusefulcash is not counting sales from their ccbill links, sale is not in ccbill, sale is not in nats. that means reallyusefulcash is shaving on their ccbill links. i can post screens, or you can try by yourself. all have been made on clean opened firefox browser, all cookies cleared. reallyusefulcash simply shave on ccbill join links ... hope to hear from them more to come, stay tuned, and wish you best with your business everyone!

[Nice_Nick]

Interested to hear from them as well. Good stuff.

[MrTrollkien]

Originally Posted by Nice_Nick

Interested to hear from them as well. Good stuff.

What you think they will say? That they will confirm, they shave Of course they will try to defend themselves.

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by lucas131

more to come, stay tuned,

Keep them coming.

[lucas131]

btw, about the reallyusefulcash. some of you maybe didnt even know that they are on ccbill, but every of their site is on ccbill first, then it is on nats few days later. me, as i am pushing new sites as early as possible, it was always about using those ccbill links, and most of my traffic is coming from serps with those ccbill links ... so, waiting for explanation, but if it is like it looks like, shaving on payment cascade, or how to call this, can you imagine how much sales and rebills i have lost? really waiting for answer from them ... but i doubt it will be any satisfying one ...

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by lucas131

btw, about the reallyusefulcash. some of you maybe didnt even know that they are on ccbill,

I didn't. I pushed them a little but not enough to make a real judgement.

[lucas131]

Originally Posted by mopek1

I didn't. I pushed them a little but not enough to make a real judgement.

every of their site have page like this

http://fakehospital.com/tour/webmasters.html

so you can choose ccb or nats, if you choose ccb, it is likely you will never make a sale ... what a thievery ...

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by lucas131

every of their site have page like this

http://fakehospital.com/tour/webmasters.html

so you can choose ccb or nats, if you choose ccb, it is likely you will never make a sale ... what a thievery ...

Isn't RUC those same russian spammers from wtf? - I am asking, not accusing.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

Isn't RUC those same russian spammers from wtf? - I am asking, not accusing.

No. It's JT who set up youporn. Nothing to do with the spamming russian fucks.

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

No. It's JT who set up youporn. Nothing to do with the spamming russian fucks.

Oops, sorry then.

[CaptainHowdy]

Keep it up, teencat ...

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by lucas131

btw, about the reallyusefulcash. some of you maybe didnt even know that they are on ccbill, but every of their site is on ccbill first, then it is on nats few days later. me, as i am pushing new sites as early as possible, it was always about using those ccbill links, and most of my traffic is coming from serps with those ccbill links ... so, waiting for explanation, but if it is like it looks like, shaving on payment cascade, or how to call this, can you imagine how much sales and rebills i have lost? really waiting for answer from them ... but i doubt it will be any satisfying one ...

I'm not really surprised at all. Of course they will claim ignorance. They always do. Then they never offer a reasonable automatic compensation to all webmasters. Instead they pretend it never happened and that they didn't benefit from it. At most they will ask each individual webmaster to "hit them up" for compensation when they know damn well it affected all CCBILL webmasters.

The thing is these are million dollar operations and you're telling me they didn't bother to do a test join to make sure affiliates get credit or that no one on the staff has the brains to realize that affiliates aren't getting credit with other processors? Yeah right. Of course this shit is waaaaay more common than most affiliates realize.

Anyway thanks for your work, Lucas!

[bean-aid]

Well... on the positive side, looks like he setup his merchant account. I wouldn't be surprised, at all, if he cans the entire ccbill program and forces all affiliates to use nats. I am assuming vendo is his setup... i have never heard of them and no third party would set their page up like that.

[Relentless]

WebsiteSecure.org does random test joins regularly on the sites that we monitor. We do it without any affiliate codes because our primary goal is to verify that the sites are treating consumers in an ethical manner. We also read through the terms pages, privacy policy, test for spam mailers and so on to provide consumers with a an easy way to identify sites they can trust... and improve ratios for ethical site owners in the process.

While I can not 'guarantee' affiliate payouts from programs because it is not something we specifically test for, I believe you'll find every WebsiteSecure.org certified site is safe to join, and safe to send traffic. If ever you discover a site with a seal behaving improperly in any way please be sure to report it to us immediately: http://www.websitesecure.org/contact...re=Enforcement. We will independently verify claims and take further action when necessary.

You can easily see which sites are WebsiteSecure.org certified by looking for our trademarked certification seal on their site pages or by finding their reviews on major review sites which report certified paysites to their clientele. Several affiliates have mentioned using our certification seals as another way to identify affiliate programs worth working with and we appreciate their trust.

If I can be of any service, contact me any time via Email, Skype or ICQ at your convenience.

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[robwod]

Lucas, while I understand the point of your thread, would it not be more productive to speak to any program owners directly to inform and resolve any possible issues versus public accusations?

I'm just not seeing where the outcome of these results can be productive for you as it may very well sour any business relationship you may otherwise have with a program you accuse of shady behaviour.

I monitor my own links and if I find something I question, I deal with a program owner directly, and in private. I just can't see anything beneficial from public accusations.

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by robwod

I just can't see anything beneficial from public accusations.

I'm happy with it this way.

I know that glitches are possible but I am educated enough to be able to take what he posts as one piece of 'data' only.

If I happen to promote a program and get amazing results with it and so do many others in this thread then we'd be more open to a discussion with the affiliate owner/manager here.

The data in that case would be:

1- My own stats
2- What others have to say in this thread (affiliates)
3- How the program owner handles it
4- Past GFY searches on the program
5- Lucas' test.

I would look at it as one piece of the overall picture and so I am happy he is doing this publicly.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by robwod

Lucas, while I understand the point of your thread, would it not be more productive to speak to any program owners directly to inform and resolve any possible issues versus public accusations?

I'm just not seeing where the outcome of these results can be productive for you as it may very well sour any business relationship you may otherwise have with a program you accuse of shady behaviour.

I monitor my own links and if I find something I question, I deal with a program owner directly, and in private. I just can't see anything beneficial from public accusations.

So instead of warning other webmasters you better go directly to program and get your money straight leaving all the other webmasters in the dark?
Do you think sponsor will compensate all the others when you report them shaving? No, they will compensate only you and continue to shave others.
"keeping it quiet" is caring only about yourself and screwing the rest.

[robwod]

mineistaken: No, I am saying that my first inclination if I see a problem is to deal with people I work with directly, and discreetly rather than running to a public board and making accusations.

Incidentally, I was just speaking to some other webmasters and wondered how long it take for someone to spin my thoughts on professionalism / professional courtesy to something negative. Only 21 minutes, thanks

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by robwod

mineistaken: No, I am saying that my first inclination if I see a problem is to deal with people I work with directly, and discreetly rather than running to a public board and making accusations. Incidentally, I was just speaking to some other webmasters and wondered how long it take for someone to spin my thoughts on professionalism / professional courtesy to something negative. Only 21 minutes, thanks

I owe you a drink Robert. I expected on GFY that people would mistakenly claim you were 'in favor of shaving' since you posted that people should be professionals - just because that's what the mob always does... but I never expected it would take less than 30 minutes.

[Fat Panda]

RUC is a fucking joke. anyone who still promotes them deserves to get assfucked

[robwod]

Originally Posted by mopek1

I would look at it as one piece of the overall picture and so I am happy he is doing this publicly.

Of course others benefit from public information. My question was what benefit will Lucas get from it? One would assume it damages his image with other programs, and certainly it is conceivable he gets terminated from the ones he accuses of wrong doing.

So yes, others benefit from his testing, but what does he get out of it? He's the one spending money. Are all of the people waiting with anticipation of the results going to line up and send him money to at least recover the cost of the test joins he is making for their benefit? Somehow I seriously doubt it.

[bean-aid]

Originally Posted by beaner

Well... on the positive side, looks like he setup his merchant account. I wouldn't be surprised, at all, if he cans the entire ccbill program and forces all affiliates to use nats. I am assuming vendo is his setup... i have never heard of them and no third party would set their page up like that.

nevermind.... I was on my phone (phone page looked good). Vendo looks to be another European 3rd party

Now I have nothing positive to say.

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by robwod

mineistaken: No, I am saying that my first inclination if I see a problem is to deal with people I work with directly, and discreetly rather than running to a public board and making accusations.

Incidentally, I was just speaking to some other webmasters and wondered how long it take for someone to spin my thoughts on professionalism / professional courtesy to something negative. Only 21 minutes, thanks

Some of us are interested in the integrity of the community, and don't see any point in being a "professional" in a profession filled with scammers.

An affiliate program has a responsibility to accurately track and pay for referrals. They should be ready to have that tested at any time, and if they fail the test, intentionally or otherwise then they don't deserve any level of public confidence than what their theft or negligence has caused the result of that test to be.

Lucas is not damaging anyone's business by pointing out flaws. The business is damaging itself and Lucas is just pointing it out. They should have tested on their own.

Sharing a personal experience is not an accusation.