test joins .. test joins ... test joins ...

[lucas131]

Originally Posted by OldJeff

You just seriously asked this question ???

You are actually dumber than I thought, which is really fucking hard to do, I had you pegged at slightly smarter than a potato

thank you for great answer, anybody else please? oh yeah, now i got it, you are maybe talking about trials and pps ... ok, i am not in that game, so sorry and lol

[OldJeff]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

You see THIS is the problem right here. Why is it an 'either/or' situation? Why can't a Program or business work with BOTH "the Whales" and the smaller affiliates? My point is that whether an affiliate is a 'Whale' or a small-time affiliate HOW YOU TREAT THEM AND COMMUNICATE WITH THEM SHOULD BE EXACTLY THE SAME.

Internally, in-house, say whatever you want about this aff or that aff. But when it comes to PUBLIC COMMUNICATION your attitude and comments should be respectful to EVERYONE. Giving this 'Fuck you you ain't worth shit to me anyway' attitude is the problem.

And don't assume I don't want to be a part of something new that would help my business. You know my sites and my content and you KNOW how well they do. So of course I would want to be a part of whatever new thing is coming. However, this does NOT mean that I would suddenly stop working with my smaller affiliates and treat them like they no longer matter.





As you and I discussed before there are many ways to work and there are many differant kinds of affiliates. Some affiliates use blackhat methods, some are small time, some are big. So it all depends on what kind of business you want to run, that's all. Plus, I don't have a problem with ANY company doing what it must do to stay in business. What I have a problem with is this attitude from RUC (and others) that borders on the meglomaniacal. LOL I mean, do 'small-time' affiliates (or 'minnows' as you call them, which is a great word for them) bring this level of consternation to program owners? Seems like a lot of bashing going on here towards people trying to run their business the best way they can. It's uncalled for.




I have new affiliates (noobs as you call them) plus I have the same exact affiliates that RUC and others have (whales). You do not know me or my business obviously. And we have never met at any of the shows I DO attend so perhaps this is why you think I'm some loser. LOL Perhaps you will be in Mallorca in May so we can meet then, or Amsterdam or Prague in the Fall....

Regardless, your comments and RUC's (and others) are the real problem here. Whether affiliates are worth the trouble or not does NOT give a Program the right to bash honest people for questioning some confusing data. I mean let's be decent people here and try and treat EVERYONE with a basic level of respect. Otherwise you (and others) just come across like cunts. And I'm sure, in 'real life', you and JT and Nick etc are NOT cunts. So if you think this approach is doing anything but hurting your reputation, image and standing you are wrong. it is NOT helping any of you long-term.

I am insulted you left me off your cunt list, I work VERY hard to be a cunt, and I demand some recognition for it.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by lucas131

and how it is fraud? if i want to buy a site and use my ref link? same as anyone else, my friend can be sitting here near me and if he buy it, then its different? explain please ... really want to know your point ...

What would stop webmasters from signing up multiple times then? Why should programs pay pps for 'tests' and lose money in the process?

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by OldJeff

I am insulted you left me off your cunt list, I work VERY hard to be a cunt, and I demand some recognition for it.

LOL Okay man you are ON THE LIST. haha!

(I was speaking of public GFY impressions, not "real life". Many I have met from GFY in real life are sweethearts who just come across as cunts on message boards.)

PS to JT: Making business decisions based on what someone writes on an internet message board is fucking retarded. Business is business. Leave the emotions out of it (advice I myself am trying hard to take. LOL)

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

I have new affiliates (noobs as you call them) plus I have the same exact affiliates that RUC and others have (whales). You do not know me or my business obviously. And we have never met at any of the shows I DO attend so perhaps this is why you think I'm some loser. LOL Perhaps you will be in Mallorca in May so we can meet then, or Amsterdam or Prague in the Fall....

Regardless, your comments and RUC's (and others) are the real problem here. Whether affiliates are worth the trouble or not does NOT give a Program the right to bash honest people for questioning some confusing data. I mean let's be decent people here and try and treat EVERYONE with a basic level of respect. Otherwise you (and others) just come across like cunts. And I'm sure, in 'real life', you and JT and Nick etc are NOT cunts. So if you think this approach is doing anything but hurting your reputation, image and standing you are wrong. it is NOT helping any of you long-term.

douche bag, I know you by your actions. your inability to see the problem with screaming "shave" over a glitch in processing is what makes you part of the rabble. now you may be hero of the rabble but rabble you are.

And please save the nonsense about reputation. We all have fantastic reputations with those who matter. The rest of you really do not matter. tough to hear, I know, Herr cunt.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

What would stop webmasters from signing up multiple times then? Why should programs pay pps for 'tests' and lose money in the process?

If you read my reply to him again you will probably see that I was very careful to specify revshare only. The only way a revshare test signup can be fraud is if the person doing the test signup charges back or gets a refund after the affiliate has been paid out and then stops sending traffic. In fact the sponsor should be happy for a revshare test signup where a refund isn't sought because it's basically free money.

[12clicks]

happy hour is fast approaching and I have a piece of art to hang in my office, I bid you all adieu

[lucas131]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

What would stop webmasters from signing up multiple times then? Why should programs pay pps for 'tests' and lose money in the process?

yes, i got it bit later, i dont do pps and i dont have it in my head, so thats why it tooks me a bit longer

[looky_lou]

Originally Posted by OldJeff

I am insulted you left me off your cunt list, I work VERY hard to be a cunt, and I demand some recognition for it.

You are just a little cunt. He didn't forget you. You just weren't important or big enough to be considered.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

douche bag, I know you by your actions. your inability to see the problem with screaming "shave" over a glitch in processing is what makes you part of the rabble. now you may be hero of the rabble but rabble you are.

And please save the nonsense about reputation. We all have fantastic reputations with those who matter. The rest of you really do not matter. tough to hear, I know, Herr cunt.

If we're discussing Teencat's overall approach I would actually agree with you and RUC in your basic point of contacting the Program before running to GFY. However, doing test joins and noticing billing anomolies is not a horrible thing that should make you, RUC and others shit bricks. If affiliates are so inconsequential then what the fuck do you or anyone else care about what they do or don't do?

Seems many here talk out of both sides of their mouth on this issue. Either affiliates (small ones) have significance or they do not. If they do not then why even respond the way you, RUC and others have in this thread? Makes no sense.

Shouldn't all you BROS be making so much bank that you're all too busy in your Bentleys to even read GFY? LOL Yet you come here and bash another Program Owner (me) who has the temerity to defend honest affiliates seeking answers to questions they have. Classy. I'm sure if I called all small affiliates ass wipes and losers you'd all invite me into the BRO Club. But who wants to be in a Club filled with so many people who treat other people like inconsequential shit? Do that in private maybe but doing it in public just wreaks of childish stupidity.

[arock10]

12clicks has showed up, thread has officially hit bottom

[iSpyCams]

Lucas, Beaner, ThePornNerd, I got a proposition for you guys: Let's build a program together from the ground up. Let's make a program for and by affiliates that caters to the dwindling small publisher demographic. I want to document every step and I think we can demystify the process of moving up the food chain, becoming your own sponsor, and show the bro-grams how badly they are (not) needed.

We'll completely open up the process of building and launching and we'll treat all affiliates fairly and professionally whether they are minnows, whales or something in between.

To contact me search for my username here on Skype or Yahoo. (Beaner and ThePornNerd - we have already been in touch via ICQ) I will be very busy for the next 30 days or so as I am relocating my home, office and family to another state, but I think this project will be fun and profitable and I think we can show that traffic from small publishers is much more valuable than anyone is admitting.

I can cover most of the upfront costs of acquiring licenses and any content needed (provided we stay reasonable and don't try to go too big too fast) as well as hosting and I have a significant number of billing options available.

I am aware that like me, Beaner and ThePornNerd have their own programs already so the 3 of us know it's not that hard to bypass all the bullshit and bullshitters and just start making money, but it would be fun to show everyone else how little value these programs actually provide to anyone that you can't go out and do on your own.

If we treat our minnows right we may end up with their whales - or at least teach the whales how to monetize their own traffic instead of giving it to the bumbling bros.

It's a ridiculous idea I know, and I am half hoping you guys won't be into it because I have a ton on my plate right now, but the attitudes expressed in this thread are making me sick so if you guys are up for it, I know we can do this.

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

dear bottom runger, almost ALL of my contemporaries washed out of this business. trust me, child, I'm still on top for a reason and it ain't because I got here early.

That's funny because I seem to remember your contemporaries hassling you on this forum for never making it to their level. This was years ago. You didn't make it until you started in with your billing schemes that skirt the law.

Your contemporaries sold porn.

You sell children's flash game sites to people who think they are just buying porn.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

If you read my reply to him again you will probably see that I was very careful to specify revshare only. The only way a revshare test signup can be fraud is if the person doing the test signup charges back or gets a refund after the affiliate has been paid out and then stops sending traffic. In fact the sponsor should be happy for a revshare test signup where a refund isn't sought because it's basically free money.

If someone did a test and reported it after, as they should, we would refund it ourselves and always have since the beginning. Your 'revshare' snipit was well hidden under blanket use that all programs are being 'tricky' or 'shady' in some way.. If you don't convert anymore from adult, as you have repeated many times already, how would you know anything on the subject in the first place? hearsay?

[Klen]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

If we're discussing Teencat's overall approach I would actually agree with you and RUC in your basic point of contacting the Program before running to GFY. However, doing test joins and noticing billing anomolies is not a horrible thing that should make you, RUC and others shit bricks. If affiliates are so inconsequential then what the fuck do you or anyone else care about what they do or don't do?

Seems many here talk out of both sides of their mouth on this issue. Either affiliates (small ones) have significance or they do not. If they do not then why even respond the way you, RUC and others have in this thread? Makes no sense.

Shouldn't all you BROS be making so much bank that you're all too busy in your Bentleys to even read GFY? LOL Yet you come here and bash another Program Owner (me) who has the temerity to defend honest affiliates seeking answers to questions they have. Classy. I'm sure if I called all small affiliates ass wipes and losers you'd all invite me into the BRO Club. But who wants to be in a Club filled with so many people who treat other people like inconsequential shit? Do that in private maybe but doing it in public just wreaks of childish stupidity.

Well,minte owns a factory,and he still post on gfy so

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

Lucas, Beaner, ThePornNerd, I got a proposition for you guys: Let's build a program together from the ground up. Let's make a program for and by affiliates that caters to the dwindling small publisher demographic. I want to document every step and I think we can demystify the process of moving up the food chain, becoming your own sponsor, and show the bro-grams how badly they are (not) needed.

We'll completely open up the process of building and launching and we'll treat all affiliates fairly and professionally whether they are minnows, whales or something in between.

To contact me search for my username here on Skype or Yahoo. (Beaner and ThePornNerd - we have already been in touch via ICQ) I will be very busy for the next 30 days or so as I am relocating my home, office and family to another state, but I think this project will be fun and profitable and I think we can show that traffic from small publishers is much more valuable than anyone is admitting.

I can cover most of the upfront costs of acquiring licenses and any content needed (provided we stay reasonable and don't try to go too big too fast) as well as hosting and I have a significant number of billing options available.

I am aware that like me, Beaner and ThePornNerd have their own programs already so the 3 of us know it's not that hard to bypass all the bullshit and bullshitters and just start making money, but it would be fun to show everyone else how little value these programs actually provide to anyone that you can't go out and do on your own.

If we treat our minnows right we may end up with their whales - or at least teach the whales how to monetize their own traffic instead of giving it to the bumbling bros.

It's a ridiculous idea I know, and I am half hoping you guys won't be into it because I have a ton on my plate right now, but the attitudes expressed in this thread are making me sick so if you guys are up for it, I know we can do this.

It's funny you should propose this because I am doing the following:

Launching a new erotic HD affiliate program end of this week/early next (finishing uploading the new HD promo tools, which is taking forever). I'm just about finished with this new Program so we've missed the boat on this one.

BUT....

I have ALSO just acquired a competing network of 50+ amateur sites. When I get back from the European shows in June I plan on re-designing and re-launching THAT affiliate program so by year's end I will have THREE networks and APs. LOL Busy, busy.

But this new acquisition would be PERFECT for what you propose! The only startup costs would be re-designing the AP and the network. I have over 2TB of new content to play with so let's talk when you settle in. Best of luck with your move!!

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Well,minte owns a factory,and he still post on gfy so

True - and then there's Shap who made millions but is still lurking around GFY. LOL

But when I make millions I will be so long gone no one will ever see me again. :D

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

It's funny you should propose this because I am doing the following:

Launching a new erotic HD affiliate program end of this week/early next (finishing uploading the new HD promo tools, which is taking forever). I'm just about finished with this new Program so we've missed the boat on this one.

BUT....

I have ALSO just acquired a competing network of 50+ amateur sites. When I get back from the European shows in June I plan on re-designing and re-launching THAT affiliate program so by year's end I will have THREE networks and APs. LOL Busy, busy.

But this new acquisition would be PERFECT for what you propose! The only startup costs would be re-designing the AP and the network. I have over 2TB of new content to play with so let's talk when you settle in. Best of luck with your move!!

Thanks! I'll be in touch!

[Klen]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

It's funny you should propose this because I am doing the following:

Launching a new erotic HD affiliate program end of this week/early next (finishing uploading the new HD promo tools, which is taking forever). I'm just about finished with this new Program so we've missed the boat on this one.

BUT....

I have ALSO just acquired a competing network of 50+ amateur sites. When I get back from the European shows in June I plan on re-designing and re-launching THAT affiliate program so by year's end I will have THREE networks and APs. LOL Busy, busy.

But this new acquisition would be PERFECT for what you propose! The only startup costs would be re-designing the AP and the network. I have over 2TB of new content to play with so let's talk when you settle in. Best of luck with your move!!



True - and then there's Shap who made millions but is still lurking around GFY. LOL

But when I make millions I will be so long gone no one will ever see me again. :D

Europe shows in June?You mean in September ?

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Europe shows in June?You mean in September ?

Yes yes sorry - I meant the Mallorca show in May. I will be back early June.

(And I will be at the Amsterdam and Prague shows in Sept.)

[Klen]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Yes yes sorry - I meant the Mallorca show in May. I will be back early June.

(And I will be at the Amsterdam and Prague shows in Sept.)

You can tell me fatfoo jokes then

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Magnetron

Sure, in a scenario as rigid as this .... where you don't have traffic coming in from multiple sources - SE#1, SE#2, SE#3, toplists, hardlink swaps, trades, forums, pinboards and other SN sites like FB, Twitter, Pinterest, etc.

Man..

Then you are even *more* open to swings, and declines in ratios as the traffic numbers grow. Or are you saying 10 x toplist, FB, pinterest, twitter traffic = 10 x sales? Try it, and see if you get 10x the sales. Newsflash: you won't.

All those variables, and you think that the scenario will be a rigid 10x traffic = 10x sales? Wake up.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by Jel

Then you are even *more* open to swings, and declines in ratios as the traffic numbers grow. Or are you saying 10 x toplist, FB, pinterest, twitter traffic = 10 x sales? Try it, and see if you get 10x the sales. Newsflash: you won't.

All those variables, and you think that the scenario will be a rigid 10x traffic = 10x sales? Wake up.

Now you reminded me to this song:

[shimmy2]

too busy in my bentley to read gfy... i nominate that for post of the year

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by Magnetron

If we replicate TC's traffic stream 10x, then you would get 10x the sales per day.

Did you hit *every* branch on the stupid tree on your way down?

As I said, it's a fucking good job this is a hobby to you.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

If we're discussing Teencat's overall approach I would actually agree with you and RUC in your basic point of contacting the Program before running to GFY. However, doing test joins and noticing billing anomolies is not a horrible thing that should make you, RUC and others shit bricks. If affiliates are so inconsequential then what the fuck do you or anyone else care about what they do or don't do?

ROI man, just like you do with your biz. Just have a look at how many in this thread still think it's a shave. Lot's of wasted effort on JTs part - just put yourself in his shoes for a second - multiple threads, no emails even when asked multiple times, insinuations, an outright statement of 'he shaves', when all along, as tc now concedes, it was a processor issue. 10 pages, to not only keep an affiliate who would do this, but appease a bunch of other people who don't even push your program.

Be honest now, how would you feel? Would you say that's a good ROI of your business time?

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Jel

ROI man, just like you do with your biz. Just have a look at how many in this thread still think it's a shave. Lot's of wasted effort on JTs part - just put yourself in his shoes for a second - multiple threads, no emails even when asked multiple times, insinuations, an outright statement of 'he shaves', when all along, as tc now concedes, it was a processor issue. 10 pages, to not only keep an affiliate who would do this, but appease a bunch of other people who don't even push your program.

Be honest now, how would you feel? Would you say that's a good ROI of your business time?

I agree with you 100%! No I would not think it' a good ROI. I wouldn't waste my time on any of this. THIS is why you have Affiliate Managers, or people in your company who act as such.

Again: My problem was with JT's responses and how he dealt/deals with issues like this. First he deletes his account on GFY then he comes back to GFY just to be contentious. I AGREE with many of JT's points, and if it were me I would share his feelings. But there is a professional, politically-correct way to handle such situations. And again, RUC is too big a company to be responding on this level anyway. (I have to cause I'm a minnow.)

I mean, this is PR 101 people, c'mon now. LOL The #1 problem when people try to manage damage control is they OVER manage it and make it worse. That's all JT was doing with his comments and they were more than preventable.

[Magnetron]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Did you hit *every* branch on the stupid tree on your way down?

As I said, it's a fucking good job this is a hobby to you.

Taking a break from playing in the sandbox with DVTimes and Jody?

[robwod]

Originally Posted by Jel

...multiple threads, no emails even when asked multiple times, insinuations, an outright statement of 'he shaves'... 10 pages, to not only keep an affiliate who would do this, but appease a bunch of other people who don't even push your program.

Be honest now, how would you feel? Would you say that's a good ROI of your business time?

For program owners, it's generally a no-win situation for them to reply on GFY, which is why you see fewer and fewer of them doing so. I'm actually surprised JT re-reg'ed to reply and, frankly, I think he did his best to address any accusations and then finally had enough upon realizing it wasn't making any difference.

Damnit, I swore I was not getting involved in this thread any more. Carry on.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

PS to JT: Making business decisions based on what someone writes on an internet message board is fucking retarded. Business is business. Leave the emotions out of it (advice I myself am trying hard to take. LOL)

Cool, so you'd be happy with me libelling you, accusing you of scamming, cheating and scamming and you'll just laugh it off.

The stupidity in this thread makes all of Markham's threads put together look clever.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Relentless

Because if you actually understood my point of view, you wouldn't continue reaching at invisible dots and trying to connect them with delusions. You would be busy doing something else that is more productive.

Looks like I must repeat it for the third time:

You do not care if you get cheated, scammed or robbed as long as you have the most money in the end.
I care that my business partner does not steal from me. It is not 100% ONLY about the money, there are also principles.
If I find out that my business partner steals from me I am most likely no longer interested in dealing with him. You would be interested in dealing with him as long as he still brings you the most money.
I understand your point of view 100%, but that does not mean that I follow your point of view.

Now, do you finally understand that I understand your point of view?
Everybody understand it, not necessary agrees with it. As there is more for them than just money (which may be the most important part, but not the whole picture. Some people cares about honoring agreement, about not stealing and about principles).

Should I repeat it for the fourth time for you to understand why some people do not follow your point of view (while understanding it)?

[OldJeff]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

Lucas, Beaner, ThePornNerd, I got a proposition for you guys: Let's build a program together from the ground up. Let's make a program for and by affiliates that caters to the dwindling small publisher demographic. I want to document every step and I think we can demystify the process of moving up the food chain, becoming your own sponsor, and show the bro-grams how badly they are (not) needed.

We'll completely open up the process of building and launching and we'll treat all affiliates fairly and professionally whether they are minnows, whales or something in between.

To contact me search for my username here on Skype or Yahoo. (Beaner and ThePornNerd - we have already been in touch via ICQ) I will be very busy for the next 30 days or so as I am relocating my home, office and family to another state, but I think this project will be fun and profitable and I think we can show that traffic from small publishers is much more valuable than anyone is admitting.

I can cover most of the upfront costs of acquiring licenses and any content needed (provided we stay reasonable and don't try to go too big too fast) as well as hosting and I have a significant number of billing options available.

I am aware that like me, Beaner and ThePornNerd have their own programs already so the 3 of us know it's not that hard to bypass all the bullshit and bullshitters and just start making money, but it would be fun to show everyone else how little value these programs actually provide to anyone that you can't go out and do on your own.

If we treat our minnows right we may end up with their whales - or at least teach the whales how to monetize their own traffic instead of giving it to the bumbling bros.

It's a ridiculous idea I know, and I am half hoping you guys won't be into it because I have a ton on my plate right now, but the attitudes expressed in this thread are making me sick so if you guys are up for it, I know we can do this.

Now THIS is an all time classic post

[Magnetron]

Originally Posted by Jel

Then you are even *more* open to swings, and declines in ratios as the traffic numbers grow. Or are you saying 10 x toplist, FB, pinterest, twitter traffic = 10 x sales? Try it, and see if you get 10x the sales. Newsflash: you won't.

All those variables, and you think that the scenario will be a rigid 10x traffic = 10x sales? Wake up.

You're doing a great job solidifying the reality that tube sites with 100X the traffic of nontubes earn less $$$ per unique visitor.

It's almost as if you were agreeing with me and I'm debating a phantom.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Relentless

Derail the thread? I said look at what they pay per click. If they don't pay enough per click DONT send traffic to them. How does that derail anything? If anything it makes it even more clear about where to send traffic and where not to send traffic.

The only thing that picture proves is that Matt26z is terrible at Photoshop

Derail in the way that you posted so many posts, replied to everyone and PUSHED your point of view to the level where main topic of the thread was buried and sort of everybody forgot that rusefull was caught not counting sales.
Non biased person would not have pushed his opinion that hard as you did. It was simply strange behavior how strongly and relentlessly you pushed your posts.
Now it is clear why and is no longer that strange.

[Relentless]

Ten pages and one thing remains universally true:

money divided by clicks = value

All the rest is nonsense and namcalling

[Magnetron]

Originally Posted by Relentless

Ten pages and one thing remains universally true:

money divided by clicks = value

All the rest is nonsense and namcalling

Some of us are actually having a civil debate.

[bean-aid]

Originally Posted by OldJeff

That contact and 4 bucks will get you a coffee at Starbucks, meanwhile the people you have alienated in this thread could have gotten you a new Bentley.

The BRO(ke) club for the big win of staying in the kiddie pool

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

Lucas, Beaner, ThePornNerd, I got a proposition for you guys: Let's build a program together from the ground up. Let's make a program for and by affiliates that caters to the dwindling small publisher demographic. I want to document every step and I think we can demystify the process of moving up the food chain, becoming your own sponsor, and show the bro-grams how badly they are (not) needed.

We'll completely open up the process of building and launching and we'll treat all affiliates fairly and professionally whether they are minnows, whales or something in between.

To contact me search for my username here on Skype or Yahoo. (Beaner and ThePornNerd - we have already been in touch via ICQ) I will be very busy for the next 30 days or so as I am relocating my home, office and family to another state, but I think this project will be fun and profitable and I think we can show that traffic from small publishers is much more valuable than anyone is admitting.

I can cover most of the upfront costs of acquiring licenses and any content needed (provided we stay reasonable and don't try to go too big too fast) as well as hosting and I have a significant number of billing options available.

I am aware that like me, Beaner and ThePornNerd have their own programs already so the 3 of us know it's not that hard to bypass all the bullshit and bullshitters and just start making money, but it would be fun to show everyone else how little value these programs actually provide to anyone that you can't go out and do on your own.

If we treat our minnows right we may end up with their whales - or at least teach the whales how to monetize their own traffic instead of giving it to the bumbling bros.

It's a ridiculous idea I know, and I am half hoping you guys won't be into it because I have a ton on my plate right now, but the attitudes expressed in this thread are making me sick so if you guys are up for it, I know we can do this.

I'm all for it. After reading the top post I just wanted to give Teencat a why not just setup your own sites? Literally was thinking the same. He appears good at generating organic google traffic and it is all being wasted on sponsors. I just sent an email to someone about how important it is to keep your traffic and convert it yourself... the example I gave was a factor of 40 times more money by just keeping your own traffic.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Cool, so you'd be happy with me libelling you, accusing you of scamming, cheating and scamming and you'll just laugh it off.

The stupidity in this thread makes all of Markham's threads put together look clever.

Where did I say I was "happy" with being libeled, accused, etc? C'mon now Damian, you're a PR man at heart. You KNOW that fighting like this does nothing but soil reputations and make someone look childish.

But to be clear: I could laugh off being libeled if it were by a small-time affiliate and the libelous slander was relegated to a GFY thread. LOL Besides, you don't fight being libeled, accused, etc by ranting on a message board. Either take it legal or, guess what? Laugh it off (internally), respond cordially and professionally (externally), then move the fuck ON.

[bigluv]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

This is for all Program Owners and Whale Affiliates with this attitude:

"It's only 0.00003% of sales so who the fuck cares? Fuck off I'm rich and I only play with rich BROS."

It doesn't matter if it's ONE SALE A YEAR. It doesn't matter if an affiliate sends 1k hits or 100k hits. This is about ATTITUDE and PROFESSIONALISM and how a Program runs their business.

Not giving a fuck because an affiliate isn't a 'whale' makes the Program look like cunts and BROS.

Perhaps, in the end, RUC and any other Program with this attitude will be just fine doing business with the BRO club circle jerk. But in the end this Industry will collapse upon itself and not even the BROS will be able to support each other. Many other industries have tried this approach - big whales only, fuck the little guys - and those industries have suffered, withered and died. Short-term greed and a "We're too big to play with you" attitude has been the demise of many egotistical, delusional fucks.

Treat people - affiliates are PEOPLE let's remember - with respect and be professional, even in the face of frustration and exasperation, and THEN you can be taken seriously as a business person. until then, all this BROspeak just proves to me that there is now a real divide between 'mega-players' and the rest of us. The irony here is that sooner or later even the BROS will be hurting and looking for affiliates one day. Everything is cyclical.

I just hope affiliates remember who treated them with respect and who treated them like fools when that day comes.

You speak way too reasonably and make too much sense to be in adult.
I had a flash back of being back in a button down corporate environment for a minute there.

[Magnetron]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Where did I say I was "happy" with being libeled, accused, etc? C'mon now Damian, you're a PR man at heart. You KNOW that fighting like this does nothing but soil reputations and make someone look childish.

You do realize you are replying to someone who has a line in his signature regarding 14 year old girls being sexy to another GFY member?

Irony.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Where did I say I was "happy" with being libeled, accused, etc?

Well, Teencat fraudulently joined JT's site, called him a scammer, a shaver, a con man and a liar and you said

"Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd View Post
PS to JT: Making business decisions based on what someone writes on an internet message board is fucking retarded. "

So I assumed you'd be happy with Teencat with his 2 joins a month doing that to you. Sorry if I misread it.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

C'mon now Damian, you're a PR man at heart. You KNOW that fighting like this does nothing but soil reputations and make someone look childish.

I think it has soiled Teencat's reputation as someone that doesn't understand that his 2 sales a month, libel, constant bitching and fraud are not worth the hassle he causes.

When you've been running you programme a little longer, you'll hopefully realise it is miles cheaper to move traffic generation in-house than to pay 50% out to little dicks that cause you hassle, damage your reputation, commit fraud and libel you.

I get it, when you're new, it's hard to find the money to outlay on in house staff. You want to keep lean and agile and I get that.

I give you a year before you are employing people solely to do the 'jobs' affiliates do and make your programme invite only.

You shoot good content, you seem a lovely chap, but just move it in house. Dealing with the minnows is pointless.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by Magnetron

You do realize you are replying to someone who has a line in his signature regarding 14 year old girls being sexy to another GFY member?

Irony.

a) it's not ironic in the least

b) did you miss the post where DVTimes said he thought some 14 year old kids were, and I quote, "sexy babes"?

People need to be reminded DVTimes steals content, scams people, commits fraud and thinks kids are sexy.

Just as they need to be reminded that you have no idea about, seemingly, anything. I'll add your 10x quote to my sig later.

x

[Magnetron]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

a) it's not ironic in the least

b) did you miss the post where DVTimes said he thought some 14 year old kids were, and I quote, "sexy babes"?

People need to be reminded DVTimes steals content, scams people, commits fraud and thinks kids are sexy.

Like the DRAMA between JT and ColMike, I don't keep up with your DRAMA with Markham, Jody or DVTimes.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Magnetron

You're doing a great job solidifying the reality that tube sites with 100X the traffic of nontubes earn less $$$ per unique visitor.

who has ever said any different, in the history of the world? That's like saying walmart earn less $$$ per product than Billy Bob and Sue's Convenience Store... wtf has that got to do with anything in this thread?

lol, I'm all for pissing away free time, but this has got ridiculous

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Well, Teencat fraudulently joined JT's site, called him a scammer, a shaver, a con man and a liar and you said

Not fraudulently, most honest sponsors encourages and accepts test joins. They do it as a token of trust/courtesy. As long as they are informed about it and affiliate do not keep any money.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

I agree with you 100%! No I would not think it' a good ROI. I wouldn't waste my time on any of this. THIS is why you have Affiliate Managers, or people in your company who act as such.

Again: My problem was with JT's responses and how he dealt/deals with issues like this. First he deletes his account on GFY then he comes back to GFY just to be contentious. I AGREE with many of JT's points, and if it were me I would share his feelings. But there is a professional, politically-correct way to handle such situations. And again, RUC is too big a company to be responding on this level anyway. (I have to cause I'm a minnow.)

I mean, this is PR 101 people, c'mon now. LOL The #1 problem when people try to manage damage control is they OVER manage it and make it worse. That's all JT was doing with his comments and they were more than preventable.

bolded quote: the way he repeatedly asked for an email, account details? At some point you say: fuck this, it isn't worth the hassle/ROI. Like you just said, you agree with many of JT's points - anyone with half a brain in this thread does. But the idiots keep jumping in, joining in with the accusations, and most of them never having sent a click to his sites in the first place. So now he is pissed off, and rightly so, but has to keep going, being nice, diplomatic, etc?

On a board with a bunch of part timers? That stopped being a real biz board years ago? You can't please all of the people all of the time, and at some point you have to do what you feel is best, in all areas - saying 'fuck this' at whatever point that is, is now somehow the most OMG moment ever? His fucking *manners*, in a trash talk thread, with ZERO direct communication EVER from the 'wronged' affiliate, slating his biz, calling him a cheater, preserved for ever with the actual facts lost somewhere on about page 6 which no fucker reading the thread from scratch is gonna get to, is now the issue?

Get real mate If I did all that shit with you, you'd still be the diplomat after 6 weeks, multiple threads, and zero communication from me? I don't think anyone would, and I certainly wouldn't blame them for letting off some well-deserved steam

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by Magnetron

Like the DRAMA between JT and ColMike, I don't keep up with your DRAMA with Markham, Jody or DVTimes.

It's not drama. DVTimes said some 14 year old little girls were sexy. Fact. Good job it is in my sig if you missed his original post.

Have you looked up what irony means and learned something yet?

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Not fraudulently, most honest sponsors encourages and accepts test joins. They do it as a token of trust/courtesy.

Not with their own affiliate account.

The level of derp in this thread is astounding.

[lucas131]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Well, Teencat fraudulently joined JT's site, called him a scammer, a shaver, a con man and a liar and you said

look, marketing guru crying again! how i joined his site fraudulently, mister? you read just what you want. and stfu about something you understand a shit, i mean about sending sales to sponsors ... ego ass ...

[lucas131]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

So I assumed you'd be happy with Teencat with his 2 joins a month doing that to you. Sorry if I misread it.

btw my overall ratio for sponsors including sponsors without sales is under 1:380uniques this year so far, sending 10+ sales daily constantly, just ruc and few other sponsors dont work for me and are out of my standarts, thats why i want to know why. you get it? smart ass?

[Nice_Nick]

Cliff notes?

Last time I looked this was on P.7 and I don't have time to read it.