Caliporno, odessum, Tam

[sarettah]

Fiddy fucking Cam startups.

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[sarettah]

2. Now, you going to answer up about why it does not appear that you are taking care of your employees?

Thanks in advance.

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Originally Posted by xavi at 12:37 CST

to answer you this, then wait for tam she will give you more details in a couple of hours im 100% sure about that.

Ok, it has been six hours now and I don't see anything new.

So much for your 100% sure.

I don't think you are very good at the internet, ya know?

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[Rochard]

This thread is just insane.

[sarettah]

bump for Xavi.

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[tremens]

Originally Posted by sarettah

First, I have not yelled at all. I have asked a couple of questions. I was all set to promote your cams from a bunch of page 1 results, all good cam terms. Not a super amount of traffic, just a couple of thousand uniques a day. I was just waiting for your programmer to tell me the xml feeds are ready. So, i do have a definite interest in who I am doing business with.

I am the programmer who this person contacted to create the custom feeds for modenacam script. The project was completed however the payment delayed, and then a supposed sent payment that never happened. After reading this thread I have very clear that I'm not going to get paid by this person.

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

I don't think anybody ripped anyone, or I would have been freaking out previously. My site went live in July 2012 so it was def. first, but there isn't a hugely intuitive templating system. I had a designer customize my site a little, which may be the only reason it isn't straight pixel for pixel identical cause it looks like the other is using an out of the box default. I have a new design supposed to be released "this weekend" for the last 8 weekends or so. Designers, lol. What can you really do?

The website of the OP was using the default templates that come with modenacam script. It is built using codeigniter framework and has a considerable number of template elements. Btw, since you use the same script, are you interested in adding support for online model feeds? I have the work done for it using hasoffers affiliate system, but can adapt it to whatever system you use.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by tremens

I am the programmer who this person contacted to create the custom feeds for modenacam script. The project was completed however the payment delayed, and then a supposed sent payment that never happened. After reading this thread I have very clear that I'm not going to get paid by this person.

Really?

Hmm. Back on the 16th (September) I got an email from an antwuan at eventosgv dot com
that indicated he was programming the feeds. Is that by any chance you? Or was it another "misstatement" from someone at the caliporno/eventsgo crew?

Originally Posted by me via email 09/16/2014 - to antwuan

Hey,
Tam and Xavier (sp?) told me to get with you, so I am getting with you.
I think Tam passed on our conversation regarding an xml feed. So, I guess we start there?
Let me know.
Thanks

Originally Posted by antwuan at eventosgv dot com 9/16/2014

Hello there!

Yes, im taking hands on this and I will be add the required to your account.
I will let you know

Have a nice day!

So, if they outsourced it to you and you are awaiting payment then I guess I know why I have not heard back on the feeds.

Curiouser and curiouser as Alice would say.

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[tremens]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Really?

Hmm. Back on the 16th (September) I got an email from an antwuan at eventosgv dot com
that indicated he was programming the feeds. Is that by any chance you? Or was it another "misstatement" from someone at the caliporno/eventsgo crew?

No, I'm not that person. I was contacted at a later date.

Originally Posted by sarettah

So, if they outsourced it to you and you are awaiting payment then I guess I know why I have not heard back on the feeds.

I delivered the project last Friday and just the same day the OP wanted to abort the project and go for a webcams.com api integration.

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by tremens

I am the programmer who this person contacted to create the custom feeds for modenacam script. The project was completed however the payment delayed, and then a supposed sent payment that never happened. After reading this thread I have very clear that I'm not going to get paid by this person.




The website of the OP was using the default templates that come with modenacam script. It is built using codeigniter framework and has a considerable number of template elements. Btw, since you use the same script, are you interested in adding support for online model feeds? I have the work done for it using hasoffers affiliate system, but can adapt it to whatever system you use.

LOL was gonna reach out as soon as I read that. We are on Nats. There are some issues with the integration and it's a bit clunky at the moment which is why I don't pimp my site on the boards yet, but basically yes I am interested. hit me up at my user here @ yahoo.

[tremens]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

LOL was gonna reach out as soon as I read that. We are on Nats. There are some issues with the integration and it's a bit clunky at the moment which is why I don't pimp my site on the boards yet, but basically yes I am interested. hit me up at my user here @ yahoo.

Email sent.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by tremens

I delivered the project last Friday and just the same day the OP wanted to abort the project and go for a webcams.com api integration.

Those are like 2 completely different things, unless I am misunderstanding something.

The xml feeds were to export the data from calipornos while the webcams com integration would be pulling data in.

Why wouldn't they want to do both? One should not have canceled the other imho.

Sounds like whoever is calling the shots (Xavi I assume) has absolutely no clue about anything.

Oh well, another wannabe cam site bites the dust.

PJ, I saw your aff program is invite only. If you do the feeds thing then I want an invite please. Thanks in advance ;p

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[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Those are like 2 completely different things, unless I am misunderstanding something.

The xml feeds were to export the data from calipornos while the webcams com integration would be pulling data in.

Why wouldn't they want to do both? One should not have canceled the other imho.

Sounds like whoever is calling the shots (Xavi I assume) has absolutely no clue about anything.

Oh well, another wannabe cam site bites the dust.

PJ, I saw your aff program is invite only. If you do the feeds thing then I want an invite please. Thanks in advance ;p

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Sounds like he's given up on Caliporno and wants to be an affiliate now instead.

[tremens]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Why wouldn't they want to do both? One should not have canceled the other imho.

Because the second was to replace modenacam completelly.

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by tremens

Email sent.

received, rescued from the spam folder and replied.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

Sounds like he's given up on Caliporno and wants to be an affiliate now instead.

Hmm, I don't know. I might be giving him more credit then he deserves or maybe someone that knows some about the industry provided some advice but..

I always figured that if I were to try to do a cam startup like he was doing (and mtc too, or any cam startup for that matter) that I would offset the lack of models with feeds and/or embeds from various sponsors so that as I built traffic and brand for myself, and attracted more models I would also have some cash coming in from cross-promotion. (hopefully that blurb makes sense).

So, the webcam com api, if it works as it is being described, would be perfect for that because you could integrate the api fully while still running your own models.

Solves the problem of "No models on line right now" that all new cam startups face.

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[sarettah]

Originally Posted by tremens

Because the second was to replace modenacam completelly.

Oh, ok. then he was throwing in the towel. Sounds like he was running every which direction at once too.

I just don't understand why people give up so easily on stuff. I don't think caliporno had been out there a full month yet and already giving up. Not the way to succeed (imho).

You have to work a plan, you can't just go this way and that way and all over the place. You plot out your journey and then you travel it. Yeah, occasionally you have to make an adjustment here or there but ya know, if you want to get to California from New York by car you have to keep going west. You can't start going west and then go back east for a while and then north and then east again and then wonder why you didn't get to the West coast.

oh well, like they say, another one bites the dust.

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[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Oh, ok. then he was throwing in the towel. Sounds like he was running every which direction at once too.

I just don't understand why people give up so easily on stuff. I don't think caliporno had been out there a full month yet and already giving up. Not the way to succeed (imho).

You have to work a plan, you can't just go this way and that way and all over the place. You plot out your journey and then you travel it. Yeah, occasionally you have to make an adjustment here or there but ya know, if you want to get to California from New York by car you have to keep going west. You can't start going west and then go back east for a while and then north and then east again and then wonder why you didn't get to the West coast.

oh well, like they say, another one bites the dust.

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Well all potential scumbaggery aside, not paying your vendors is generally a cash flow issue. I think the fact OP came here and tried to get in front of the drama shows he hadn't given up completely but now with this it's going to be difficult to impossible to find anyone else to trust him.

So, throwing in the towel on that site would make sense.

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Hmm, I don't know. I might be giving him more credit then he deserves or maybe someone that knows some about the industry provided some advice but..

I always figured that if I were to try to do a cam startup like he was doing (and mtc too, or any cam startup for that matter) that I would offset the lack of models with feeds and/or embeds from various sponsors so that as I built traffic and brand for myself, and attracted more models I would also have some cash coming in from cross-promotion. (hopefully that blurb makes sense).

So, the webcam com api, if it works as it is being described, would be perfect for that because you could integrate the api fully while still running your own models.

Solves the problem of "No models on line right now" that all new cam startups face.

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Well having been down that road here's what I would do:

For me webcams anything seems like a dead end. Just doesn't convert for me. I have a 5 year old white label with them, 100's of thousands of uniques and not a single free signup. I've discussed with their aff reps and nobody can figure it out, maybe I just suck. Whatever, I don't care anymore.

So basically I need my own models. Since my site is too slow to keep the girls busy I put them on a few sites at once. like 2 or 3, sites like MFC and Chaturbate work best cause they don't do as many private shows there so no need to sign off from the other sites to entertain a crowd.

That way I can keep my girls busy enough to keep them around for my few customers and they aren't falling asleep or anything. I provide a location with internet, security, transportation and food and pay them a weekly base salary (low but it guarantees they are not wasting their time) and then I pay them a percentage of what they earn on the sites they work, again a little low but between that and the salary they usually end up with more than they would get on their own. They also get a very generous rev share on my site which keeps them interested in focusing their attention there, even with the long breaks between customers.

That whole operation runs at a small loss but it keeps my site staffed 24/7 which is a pretty hard thing for a cam startup to pull off and gives me a huge advantage in retaining customers.

[CaptainHowdy]

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

That whole operation runs at a small loss but it keeps my site staffed 24/7 which is a pretty hard thing for a cam startup to pull off and gives me a huge advantage in retaining customers.

It sounds like you are taking a good approach. The salary thing is a good way to go.

But picture if you will:

Right now your site shows 5 girls live at the top and then the rest of the models below that.

Now, what if you grabbed a feed (if not webcams com, then pretty much any that offer a feed. Chaturbate's is pretty easy to work with.) and you populated a bunch more online cams boxes with the feed info.

You can make it look exactly like the models from your own site, only difference is that when they click the chaturbate ones they will go to a page on your site where you have the chaturbate page embedded and when they click your models they go to your cam.

You pick up a buck a sign up for any free sign ups at chaturbate and whatever percentage they pay for revshare (I think 20%). That can be enough to pay the light bill and buy a couple of beers.

As you increase the number of live models you have on line you start decreasing the number you are showing from feeds until you are showing just your cams on your site.

The object of integrating the feeds is not necessarilly to make more money. It is instead to make it NOT look like you only have 5 girls on line while others are showing hundreds.

But, i am not a site owner, do not run sponsor programs or anything like that. I am just a programmer who does a couple of his own sites so I am probably talking out my ass.

;p

[CamTraffic]

Originally Posted by Odessum

is the cheapest version of Modenacam dot com Just changed the name/logo...

So all the shit about programmers etc..blabla...

I contacted the owner of Modena and he was also not to speak about this bulldog...

He ows a lot of people and after those 3 weeks spending on our girls on his own site...also Visa I guess )))

Wow , you weren't kidding...

http://demo.modenacam.com/ http://www.caliporno.com/

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by sarettah

It sounds like you are taking a good approach. The salary thing is a good way to go.

But picture if you will:

Right now your site shows 5 girls live at the top and then the rest of the models below that.

Now, what if you grabbed a feed (if not webcams com, then pretty much any that offer a feed. Chaturbate's is pretty easy to work with.) and you populated a bunch more online cams boxes with the feed info.

You can make it look exactly like the models from your own site, only difference is that when they click the chaturbate ones they will go to a page on your site where you have the chaturbate page embedded and when they click your models they go to your cam.

You pick up a buck a sign up for any free sign ups at chaturbate and whatever percentage they pay for revshare (I think 20%). That can be enough to pay the light bill and buy a couple of beers.

As you increase the number of live models you have on line you start decreasing the number you are showing from feeds until you are showing just your cams on your site.

The object of integrating the feeds is not necessarilly to make more money. It is instead to make it NOT look like you only have 5 girls on line while others are showing hundreds.

But, i am not a site owner, do not run sponsor programs or anything like that. I am just a programmer who does a couple of his own sites so I am probably talking out my ass.

;p

IF we were a cookie cutter cam site that would make all the sense in the world.

My site isn't really "free" though, we offer things like VIP memberships that get special treatment in a variety of ways, and people generally have to pay to get in. When they do they get bonus tokens, which obviously they wouldn't be able to spend on 3rd party sites.

I also get quite a bit of questionable traffic which I can deal with cause I have experience and my filters are set up to spare me from the worst of it plus I review transactions daily to prevent problems issue voids and refunds after the fact etc. but any site that wasn't set up for that or expecting it would freak the hell out immediately.

And besides it would be a traffic leak competing with my dedicated girls. Yes we're small but we use that to our advantage to provide a boutique experience and can work as a pretty effective team as long as everyone is taking the recommended dosage of their recommended meds.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

IF we were a cookie cutter cam site that would make all the sense in the world.

yadda yadda yadda

Yeah, like I said, I don't run any programs or membership sites so the realities are different from the picture in my warped little mind ;p

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[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Yeah, like I said, I don't run any programs or membership sites so the realities are different from the picture in my warped little mind ;p

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Well I don't know about warped, people doing it your way are making good money. I just have this vision that loosely fits together with my business plan and am trying to make it happen, it's not based on any other site specifically mostly just planned around my odd set of skills and flaws but for now it pays the bills which for small camsites seems to be quite a feat.

Maybe if google didn't hate me or if I had a real budget I would do it differently. Most likely that would work better, but then I'd be someone else. So I do the best I can with what I got which isn't much but people get paid and shit gets done.

[Odessum]

Tremens earlier > "I am the programmer who this person contacted to create the custom feeds for modenacam script. The project was completed however the payment delayed, and then a supposed sent payment that never happened. After reading this thread I have very clear that I'm not going to get paid by this person."

Same stuff he pulled off with us.

The only dollars spent on our girls were surely his also...one model showed me a conversation with him, pushing her to accept a WU...even gave her MTCN (checked online, fake of course)

This Xavi is a real loser it seems.

Ok for the sake of my lost 7,5K one more time :

Xavi, you are a fat-assed scamming jerker !

And remember, trees never meet eachother...people on the other hand...

[timmyc38]

just want to get a sig spot in here

thank you - bye

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by timmyc38

just want to get a sig spot in here

thank you - bye

Post reported.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=950962

No SIG spamming. Posting with intent of only to drawing attention to you sig with either text or an image will be considered SPAM. This type of spam will generate a warning, second violation will result in a ban. Abuse will not be tolerated. You want to announce something you are selling, put it in the Buy and Sell forum. You are announcing something for your program put it in the Program Announcement section. Program Announcements placed in the Fucking Around and Program Discussion forum are reserved for GFY Advertisers. Want to advertise, you can email me.

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[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by timmyc38

just want to get a sig spot in here

thank you - bye

If I can't say hahahahahaha you can't say sig spot.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

If I can't say hahahahahaha you can't say sig spot.

Exactly

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[sarettah]

Xavi... Xavi... Where are you Xavi ??

How come you haven't come back ?

Tam didn't come and enlighten us as you assured us she would ?

Since you left, a programmer has come forward and said that he hasn't been paid. So right now what we have here is a studio that you contracted with that did not get paid and a programmer that has not been paid. You also assured us that you had taken care of your affiliate rep and even assured us that she would come by and verify that and that hasn't happened yet either.

Seems your word isn't very good. Maybe it's the second language thing or something.

So please come back and fill us in.

Thanks in advance.

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[sarettah]

Originally Posted by timmyc38

just want to get a sig spot in here

thank you - bye

MyTubeCams Cash
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I just realized that you were breaking 2 rules and I had only called you on one of them. Sorry I missed the other one. I hate when I do that.

Well, maybe you haven't actually broken another rule, depends. Are you guys (MTC) top sponsors? meaning do you have a banner spot on the top of the board here?

If not you are breaking the sig rules in addition to your constant spamming of your sig.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=950962

Signature rules. Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 lines of text. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Yes there is a reason this is so big. Also putting your text in a cell and making it look like a button is against the rules. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more than 3 lines of text. Over the top sigs will be deleted without warning!

You might want to fix that before someone important notices.

No reason to thank me, I just try to be helpful like that

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[dillonaire]

my balls smell funny today,

[disinfected]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Post reported.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=950962

.

Jeez Sarah, why you got your panties in a bunch?

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by disinfected

Jeez Sarah, why you got your panties in a bunch?

Sarettah is a dude, Dude.

Nah, no bunched up panties here. I am just messing with Timmy there. I didn't report the post. I am tired of him popping in to threads spamming his sig and just decided that was a good time to tell him.

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[xavi]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Xavi... Xavi... Where are you Xavi ??

How come you haven't come back ?

Tam didn't come and enlighten us as you assured us she would ?

Since you left, a programmer has come forward and said that he hasn't been paid. So right now what we have here is a studio that you contracted with that did not get paid and a programmer that has not been paid. You also assured us that you had taken care of your affiliate rep and even assured us that she would come by and verify that and that hasn't happened yet either.

Seems your word isn't very good. Maybe it's the second language thing or something.

So please come back and fill us in.

Thanks in advance.

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Hello honey im here

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by gamelinkjeff

my balls smell funny today,

Originally Posted by xavi

Hello honey im here

Hi sweety pie,

How you doing. Thanks for coming by and visiting my...err I mean your thread again.

So, any comment on the recent developments like a programmer who did not get paid and you wanting to pull the site or ereplace it with a webcam.com type wl?

What's up with that?

Also, you gave us the 100% guarantee that Tam would come by and verify what you are saying about the situation between you and her but she didn't show So how about telling us about it.

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[xavi]

ok so heres the think,

going straight with this , tam has bring his guys from the philippines banging credit cards, thats it, i really wont go into details but yes basically that was his great job, so far i just got a few real "webmasters" including you sarettah, probably my english suck and i sounds like i dont have a single idea of whats going on but yes basically thats what she bring, so basically i told her about the situation actually this happend from the first time with her first "affiliate" so yes i told her to get those chatters and all, but she really didnt get real chatters, it was just a bunch of her carders or whatever they are called, but well as i say i will not going to give more details on a public board about this situation.


now this guy from the studio will not going to get pay his not gettingpay and you will see soon him yelling on other sites like he allways do if you type his user on the search area. so i really dont mind that.

and to tremens yes im still dont pay you i was not here and so thats why i email you about that, however i didnt get any email so i was assumed that your work was pay over the link you send me, but no problem i will fix that right now so you can update this with a YES I GET PAY ounce you get pay.

[xavi]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Hi sweety pie,

How you doing. Thanks for coming by and visiting my...err I mean your thread again.

So, any comment on the recent developments like a programmer who did not get paid and you wanting to pull the site or ereplace it with a webcam.com type wl?

What's up with that?

Also, you gave us the 100% guarantee that Tam would come by and verify what you are saying about the situation between you and her but she didn't show So how about telling us about it.

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yes this is what is going to happend, beside this board there are plenty of other guys who are working with me and they still work with me, so yes basically i will preffer to work with them so i dont have to deal with the performers or so on.

but yes thats what is going to happend in short

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by xavi

i told her to get those chatters and all, but she really didnt get real chatters

Lol at real chatters from the Phillipines. Sounds like you sent her after chatters and she did what you asked. I am quite sure that Tam does not have a secret link to a bunch of cardbangers.

If you asked for chat traffic to a cam site you were inviting fraud, that simple. Chat traffic is notoriously poor traffic imho.

How come none of your failure is your fault?

You approached Odessum, he did not approach you:

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=20204438#post20204438

Originally Posted by xavi

hi there Odessum,

if you have studios willing to work, i will appreciate to talk with you regarding a partership,

you can add me at anytime you wish

Then when it doesn't work out like you exactly wanted (for whatever reason) you renege on whatever deal you made. Odessum said you sent him bs mock ups showing that you made payments. That would sound like crap if we also did not here the same thing from the programmer you hired.

You also approached Tam, not the other way around:

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=20209299#post20209299

Originally Posted by xavi

i believe it will be a pleasure to work with you check out your email in a couple of hours

And you approached the programmer:

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=20228214#post20228214

Originally Posted by tremens

I'm available for quick projects!

Design integration, biller integration, nats admin, mechbunny customizations, quick html / css fixes, quick php custom projects, video system setup, ffmpeg related tasks, whitelabel system creation for aff programs, wordpress mods, automation, etc.

Send your project requirements via: 1stdev.com/contact

Originally Posted by xavi

just send you a message

So, you approached these 3 people. They did not come after you trying to con you, you came to them. You hired them or contracted with them and with at least 2 of them you failed to pay. we still don't know if Tam got paid or not, you say she did and she hasn't said a thing about it that I have seen. I do notice that you are the one throwing her under the bus and not the other way around.

Each of them tried to do what you asked it appears. You have problems with what Odessum delivered and claim that he has had problems before. I tried to find some evidence of this and didn't really find anything except the thread where you hired him where he was basically firing a client it appeared to me.

Tremens, the programmer, according to both you and him did his job too but did not get paid. You say you weren't there but Tremens earlier said you said you sent a payment but it never happened.

Then you say Tam did exactly what you asked her too (bring chatters in) and somehow it is her fault that you got a bunch of fraud coming in.

It is amazing that on a project that is yours you take so little credit for anything.

This thread has made it pretty damn clear who was fucking up. It was not Odessum, It was not Tremens, it was not Tam. It was and continues to be YOU. You do not have a clue about what you are doing or how to do it. You are a liar and a fool.

I think that is probably all I have to say about any of this.

edited in: I was wrong, I do have one other question.

Originally Posted by xavi

there are plenty of other guys who are working with me and they still work with me, so yes basically i will preffer to work with them

Have anyone who will come in and say they arestill working with you and you haven't ripped them off? I doubt it but I would love to see you prove it.

Now I'm done.






















for now.

[xavi]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Lol at real chatters from the Phillipines. Sounds like you sent her after chatters and she did what you asked. I am quite sure that Tam does not have a secret link to a bunch of cardbangers.

If you asked for chat traffic to a cam site you were inviting fraud, that simple. Chat traffic is notoriously poor traffic imho.

How come none of your failure is your fault?

You approached Odessum, he did not approach you:

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=20204438#post20204438



Then when it doesn't work out like you exactly wanted (for whatever reason) you renege on whatever deal you made. Odessum said you sent him bs mock ups showing that you made payments. That would sound like crap if we also did not here the same thing from the programmer you hired.

You also approached Tam, not the other way around:

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=20209299#post20209299



And you approached the programmer:

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=20228214#post20228214





So, you approached these 3 people. They did not come after you trying to con you, you came to them. You hired them or contracted with them and with at least 2 of them you failed to pay. we still don't know if Tam got paid or not, you say she did and she hasn't said a thing about it that I have seen. I do notice that you are the one throwing her under the bus and not the other way around.

Each of them tried to do what you asked it appears. You have problems with what Odessum delivered and claim that he has had problems before. I tried to find some evidence of this and didn't really find anything except the thread where you hired him where he was basically firing a client it appeared to me.

Tremens, the programmer, according to both you and him did his job too but did not get paid. You say you weren't there but Tremens earlier said you said you sent a payment but it never happened.

Then you say Tam did exactly what you asked her too (bring chatters in) and somehow it is her fault that you got a bunch of fraud coming in.

It is amazing that on a project that is yours you take so little credit for anything.

This thread has made it pretty damn clear who was fucking up. It was not Odessum, It was not Tremens, it was not Tam. It was and continues to be YOU. You do not have a clue about what you are doing or how to do it. You are a liar and a fool.

I think that is probably all I have to say about any of this.

edited in: I was wrong, I do have one other question.



Have anyone who will come in and say they arestill working with you and you haven't ripped them off? I doubt it but I would love to see you prove it.

Now I'm done.






















for now.

Yes your Done

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by xavi

Yes your Done

More accurately. You're Done. You might as well pack up and move out of the adult industry imho.

just my

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[xavi]

Originally Posted by sarettah

More accurately. You're Done. You might as well pack up and move out of the adult industry imho.

just my

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thank you.

something smells fishy, and since you dont know about that then you really have to get your ass right over the corner, i deal with chatters every single day from the past few years i know them and i know every single way how they work, means that i caught them right in the act, but as i say i wont go into details on whats going on here until this get solved from the proper people not me, so keep those letters coming.
now i really have to sleep i love you you know.


Edited!!!! here comes Tam!

Enjoy

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by xavi

something smells fishy, and since you dont know about that then you really have to get your ass right over the corner,

What? I have no clue what you said.

i deal with chatters every single day from the past few years i know them and i know every single way how they work, means that i caught them right in the act

Ok, so chatters were cheating, to be expected when you deal with chat traffic imho. But you said that you told Tam to go get chat traffic. She did exactly what you asked her to do according to what you have said.

Edited!!!! here comes Tam!

Where?

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[disinfected]

Originally Posted by sarettah

What? I have no clue what you said.

Ok, so chatters were cheating, to be expected when you deal with chat traffic imho. But you said that you told Tam to go get chat traffic. She did exactly what you asked her to do according to what you have said.

Where?

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Sarah, you are getting a bit too involved in this one. He is saying that he knows chat traffic and is getting an influx of "fraud" which is not to be expected on "certain" types of chat traffic. What you need to realize is that there are 1000 ways to skin a cat, chat traffic included. And those in the know... well, know. Chat just means that there was 1 on 1 conversation prior to the sale... use your imagination on how many 1 on 1's could exist... both bad, good, and right smack in the middle.

I know you are a man now but your nick reminds me of a girls name

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by disinfected

Sarah, you are getting a bit too involved in this one. He is saying that he knows chat traffic and is getting an influx of "fraud" which is not to be expected on "certain" types of chat traffic. What you need to realize is that there are 1000 ways to skin a cat, chat traffic included. And those in the know... well, know. Chat just means that there was 1 on 1 conversation prior to the sale... use your imagination on how many 1 on 1's could exist... both bad, good, and right smack in the middle.

I know you are a man now but your nick reminds me of a girls name

Again, sarettah is a dude, Dude. Keep calling me sarah and I'll hit you with my purse.

You are missing the point. It does not matter whether chat traffic is good or not. He is upset (at least from what I got from what he posted) that Tam brought him the wrong kind of chat traffic. Now I have no idea what traffic she got him, but he is the one who (by his own account) told her to go find chat traffic. So, he got what he asked for.

The guy has shown his ass here pretty well. He has not paid people who work for him. Yesterday he had no problems with Tam and even stated that she was still working for him. He later reversed the working for him but still claimed that she was ok. Now today he is throwing her under the bus.

If yesterday she was good and then today she isn't, well, thats just this assfuck covering his ass and making excuses for his failures.

What I think happened here (this is pure conjecture) is this guy came in with a little bit of money in his pocket, thought the money on cams was going to be pretty quick and easy and a month into it when the site had not covered expenses yet he freaked and panicked (sp?). he ended up without enough cash to pay people so he decided to find reasons not to pay them and now he is trying to make it all their fault. As I say, that is just conjecture based on what I read here.


Just all imho of course.


You ain't the first one and won't be the last. It is Hatteras spelt backwards.
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[disinfected]

Sarah, if you tell me what you are wearing I may make more sense!

... this was his first post in this thread:

"1- this guy Odessum get his performers to work with me, he was supposed to get pay a flate rate for each one of her perfomers, good i agree on that. So this nice and good performers starts from the begining to tell the customers to not spend money on my site and instead of this to go for a dutch site called islive.com, and this where happening from the day #1."

"to tell the customers to not spend money on my site and instead of this to go for a dutch site called islive.com"

That is chat traffic... just the wrong way. More things happened but that was the first he mentioned.

Yes, I have an uncanny ability to decipher text written by authors not of native english language.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by disinfected

Sarah, if you tell me what you are wearing I may make more sense!

... this was his first post in this thread:

"1- this guy Odessum get his performers to work with me, he was supposed to get pay a flate rate for each one of her perfomers, good i agree on that. So this nice and good performers starts from the begining to tell the customers to not spend money on my site and instead of this to go for a dutch site called islive.com, and this where happening from the day #1."

"to tell the customers to not spend money on my site and instead of this to go for a dutch site called islive.com"

That is chat traffic... just the wrong way. More things happened but that was the first he mentioned.

Yes, I have an uncanny ability to decipher text written by authors not of native english language.

But that is not the traffic that Tam brought. That is Odessum, the studio that Xavi contacted directly. Xavi said he had a problem with the traffic that Tam brought, that was where he started to talk about chat traffic.

going straight with this , tam has bring his guys from the philippines banging credit cards, thats it, i really wont go into details but yes basically that was his great job, so far i just got a few real "webmasters" including you sarettah, probably my english suck and i sounds like i dont have a single idea of whats going on but yes basically thats what she bring, so basically i told her about the situation actually this happend from the first time with her first "affiliate" so yes i told her to get those chatters and all, but she really didnt get real chatters, it was just a bunch of her carders or whatever they are called, but well as i say i will not going to give more details on a public board about this situation.

He is basically saying that Tam (who is a her btw) purposely brought him carders. In the way he phrases it ("tam has bring his guys from the phillipines banging credit cards" and "it was just a bunch of her carders") he is saying that she was associated with them. Not only that she brought them in but the implication is that they worked for her.

That is a very serious accusation to make about someone especially someone who yesterday he was good with.

The guy is bullshitting and making things up as he goes along. The same way he tried to run his business apparently.

I am wearing tight blue jeans and a bright yellow Mizzou Dad T-shirt. Sexy ain't it ;p

I have to turn in. I have been posting in breaks from coding all day. My eyes are gone.

I will check back on this episode of "How GFY turns" in the morning.

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[Odessum]

Saratah, thx for putting all clear...

I haven't got time, energy and a wish to put it so clear as you do :

Xavi is a fuck-up, simple as that !

Someone who has to make & use fake payment-proofs is de facto a scammer !

Do we need to say more ?

Here are already 3 people proving he is nitwit.

Anyone wanting to get the files he sent me, can ask.
As well as the conversation where he pushed a model to accept a WU > which was of course also fake (Anthony Chambers, Columbia, LOL)

But again thx for clearly explaining this as you did !

For us it's a lesson learned.

[sarettah]

Good Morning GFY!

How you doing this morning Xavi? Slept well I hope.

Originally Posted by Odessum

Anyone wanting to get the files he sent me, can ask.
As well as the conversation where he pushed a model to accept a WU > which was of course also fake (Anthony Chambers, Columbia, LOL)

Why don't you just post them?

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[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by sarettah

But that is not the traffic that Tam brought. That is Odessum, the studio that Xavi contacted directly. Xavi said he had a problem with the traffic that Tam brought, that was where he started to talk about chat traffic.



He is basically saying that Tam (who is a her btw) purposely brought him carders. In the way he phrases it ("tam has bring his guys from the phillipines banging credit cards" and "it was just a bunch of her carders") he is saying that she was associated with them. Not only that she brought them in but the implication is that they worked for her.

That is a very serious accusation to make about someone especially someone who yesterday he was good with.

The guy is bullshitting and making things up as he goes along. The same way he tried to run his business apparently.

I am wearing tight blue jeans and a bright yellow Mizzou Dad T-shirt. Sexy ain't it ;p

I have to turn in. I have been posting in breaks from coding all day. My eyes are gone.

I will check back on this episode of "How GFY turns" in the morning.

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He is completely full of shit. It takes more than a month for bad chatters to bring down your billing. And he says he knows chat traffic? How did he allow himself to get taken down by carders in less time than it takes most people to get billing approved then?

I have been dealing with Filipinos for 5 years and never lost a biller. Nice thing is as carders they are pretty clumsy and leave a huge footprint that is trivial to detect and track.

Xavi, you need to quit worrying about your "english not so good" and start working on not being so full of shit.

You made a quick money grab, got a few bucks in, paid NO ONE and I have no doubt you will be back with a new nick or get a different one of your butt-buddies to board whore and rinse and repeat.

I hope I spot it when you do and get to be the first to call you out.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

I hope I spot it when you do and get to be the first to call you out.

I want to be first.......dammit.

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