Documenting the decline of the porn industry

[DWB]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

You're right. But it's frustrating to have sat here and watched it all unfold and to see people in complete denial about it. All that means is we've learned nothing as an industry and it'll probably just happen again and again. We can't even all agree there exists a problem.

It *was* frustrating for me, and that was a problem that ultimately hurt my bottom line. Now, I honestly don't care. I police the pirate sites and remove the content I need to remove, and then I do what I have to do to move forward.

There has been a huge shift in the business and people have fallen off, and more are falling off every month. No doubt about it. But some are holding on, moving forward, and doing well, making money along the way. You just have to decide which group you want to be in and act and plan accordingly. There is still plenty to be made out there, even with paysites.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by DWB

It *was* frustrating for me, and that was a problem that ultimately hurt my bottom line. Now, I honestly don't care. I police the pirate sites and remove the content I need to remove, and then I do what I have to do to move forward.

There has been a huge shift in the business and people have fallen off, and more are falling off every month. No doubt about it. But some are holding on, moving forward, and doing well, making money along the way. You just have to decide which group you want to be in and act and plan accordingly. There is still plenty to be made out there, even with paysites.

The way I see it we didn't act collectively to maximize our collective benefit and we've all (on average) suffered for it. While it makes sense to focus on your own business primarily if you don't try to work collectively in some way it's very likely the same result will occur over and over. You may be able to constantly adapt to this but you will still lose over what you could have had under more optimal conditions.

[Magnetron]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

You're right. But it's frustrating to have sat here and watched it all unfold and to see people in complete denial about it. All that means is we've learned nothing as an industry and it'll probably just happen again and again. We can't even all agree there exists a problem.

The people in denial are going to be the ones crapping themselves should tubes fall out of favor with Google.

Don't deny us that, you .... you ..... Denialist.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Did it ever occur to you that screwing the surfers would make it harder to do business in the future?..

did it ever occur to you that your idiot narrative doesn't resemble reality?

[signupdamnit]

Falling Porn Sales Hurting Cable, Satellite

Noting that pornographic movies represent "one of TV providers' most profitable segments," the Wall Street Journal today (Tuesday) attributed the downturn in video-on-demand and pay-per-view revenue by such providers as DirecTV and Time Warner Cable to a significant drop in the number of viewers watching pornography on their TV sets -- and a greater number watching it on the Internet. Time Warner Cable, it noted, attributed a drop of more than a third of its usual revenue for video-on-demand to "shrinkage in the adult category." The Journal noted that cable and satellite providers generally charge more for porn than they do for Hollywood blockbusters. Time Warner Cable in New York, for example, charges $9.98 to rent an adult movie, while other movies cost $4.49 to rent. "There is no question that free [adult] content is eating into cable companies revenue, Tom Hymes, senior editor at Adult Video News, told the newspaper, noting that there is a glut of pornographic content on the Web these days, much of it free.

http://www.contactmusic.com/news/fal...ellite_1238837

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

did it ever occur to you that your idiot narrative doesn't resemble reality?

OK - You are going to deny it - No problem - No point in arguing if you are going to do that...

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by Magnetron

The people in denial are going to be the ones crapping themselves should tubes fall out of favor with Google.

Don't deny us that, you .... you ..... Denialist.

Or will companies just continue to adapt and earn money like they always have? Good business always works out in the end.

There has never been money in whining and complaining how things aren't the way they used to be.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

The way I see it we didn't act collectively to maximize our collective benefit and we've all (on average) suffered for it. While it makes sense to focus on your own business primarily if you don't try to work collectively in some way it's very likely the same result will occur over and over. You may be able to constantly adapt to this but you will still lose over what you could have had under more optimal conditions.

You're probably right, but I can't think like that anymore. I have to focus on what we have here and now, and where I can take it in the future. What we should have done, or could have done, doesn't pay my bills.

And yes, perhaps if things were different I would be doing even better. But that's not the reality I'm living in and can only work with what I have at the moment and where I think it's going in the future. Nothing else matters.

[signupdamnit]

The porn industry, as a whole, is thought to generate roughly $14 billion in revenue per year, but revenue from films has been shrinking, due to piracy and an abundance of free content on the Internet.

"The nature of the industry is we don?t make nearly as many products as we did once," says Scott Taylor, president and founder of New Sensations.

Sex toy sales, though, remain strong, particularly high-end adult novelties. Designed with medical grade silicon and often looking like something that sprung from the labs of Apple, these products are now offered by mainstream retailers such as Brookstoneand featured in publications such as "Women's Health" and "Glamour."

http://www.cnbc.com/id/45989346

[signupdamnit]

Sex isn?t selling

If the porn industry can?t survive Web 2.0, what hope is
there for mainstream media?

Diane Duke, a frank woman with short hair and big jewelry, was driving with her college-age son.

?Austin,? she asked him, ?do you pay for your porn??

He spluttered: ?Um, yeah, I think so.?

His mother was unconvinced. ??I think so? means you don?t,? she chided, perhaps the one mom in existence disappointed not that her son looks at pornography but that he doesn?t plunk down a credit card beforehand, like an honest customer.

As executive director of the Free Speech Coalition, a Los Angeles-based lobby group for the porn business, Duke, who previously worked for Planned Parenthood, leads many of the industry?s anti-piracy efforts. She admits it?s difficult to convince the average consumer to feel guilty about cheating pornographers. For many viewers, it feels far less immoral if they?ve ?happened upon? the material rather than paying for it. But that doesn?t change the fact it?s stolen property. This spring, her organization released a public service announcement warning: ?If no one is willing to pay for the movies we make, they won?t exist.?

Predicting the extinction of an eons-old industry may seem hyperbolic, but the prognosis for the skin trade is indeed bleak. Smut peddlers once bragged their business was recession-proof; now they face tumbling profits, layoffs and salary cuts. Established producers report revenue has fallen by as much as 80% in the past three years. Playboy, the industry?s patrician grandfather, lost $1 million in the first quarter of this year and has shed more than 12% of its workforce. Vivid Entertainment, famed for its celebrity sex tapes, saw a 30% drop in its revenue last year, having once claimed $100 million in annual sales. Performers who commanded $2,000 for a single scene now make closer to $1,200. ?Between 1986 and 2008, pornography could be a full-time job,? says Nina Hartley, an actress who started in 1984. ?You could work full-time as performer, or in shipping, or in makeup. But we?re all hurting. It?s going back to being a part-time job.?

Porn?s woes can be partly blamed on the economy. In the years leading into the recession, estimates suggest the U.S. adult entertainment industry produced as many as 6,000 films annually, or roughly 16 new releases every day. ?There was a bit of a porn bubble,? says Ernest Greene, a veteran director. This mad pace of overproduction could not be sustained as the economy worsened. Consumption dropped farthest in the United States and Britain. ?It?s not hard to see that the guy who?s worried about losing his home or his job probably isn?t spending a lot of money on porn,? one producer noted.

But the industry is also the victim of a wider cultural shift. Media saturation has effectively killed the oldest truism in business: sex no longer sells. The porn industry?s current state is merely the most extreme evidence of that. The characteristics that once made sexual content a valuable commodity ? the inaccessibility, the taboo ? have evaporated. Cable television now offers naked vampires (HBO?s True Blood), naked gladiators (Starz?s Spartacus) and naked polygamists (HBO?s Big Love). Ads released last month for the Marc Ecko clothing line offer an excellent look at Lindsay Lohan?s breasts. Singers like Lady Gaga and Katy Perry wear outfits that would make Madonna blush. Even the CBC last year promoted its banal sitcom Being Erica with promises of a hot lesbian sex scene ? and when the Mother Corp thinks girl-on-girl action makes acceptable prime-time viewing, it?s a sure sign that sex is no longer shocking.

Steve Lightspeed, the nom du porn of Steve Jones, delivered the conference?s keynote. A dude in his 40s with a sparse goatee and a fondness for baseball jerseys, Lightspeed operates a string of solo girl websites, each focused on a particular performer. He opened with some mock advice: ?Give up, quit, get out of the industry while you can. There?s no hope left.? The crowd chuckled, but the joke underlined the unsettled mood. AVN, an industry trade publication, once estimated the adult entertainment market in the United States was worth $13 billion, but more reasonable guesses place total revenue at the industry?s peak someplace between $3 billion and $5 billion. ?It?s very well possible that domestic revenue has dropped below $1 billion,? says Alec Helmy, publisher of Xbiz, a trade journal of the status quo.

http://www.canadianbusiness.com/busi...-isnt-selling/

[signupdamnit]

Hard times for porn industry

The adult entertainment industry was viewed by many in the industry as ?bullet-proof? when it comes to recession, but this opinion has shifted over the past 12 months.

Mark Kernes, editor of Adult Video News, has been covering the world of porn for over 30 years. He says the industry in the United States was worth around $6 billion before the recession but now estimates filming on new productions is down by as much as 50 percent.

?"It?s the first time I am aware of that the industry has been affected by a downturn in the general economy,? he said.

"At its height I would say there were about 5,000 people employed in various positions, from warehouse people to executives. And perhaps another thousand performers."

But this has changed, he says, with staff being cut and performers now earning much less as budgets are slashed.

Leading porn producer Wicked Pictures has also pointed to the damage being done by piracy, with products being leaked to the Internet and viewed for free.

http://connecttheworld.blogs.cnn.com...porn-industry/

[Magnetron]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

Or will companies just continue to adapt and earn money like they always have? Good business always works out in the end.

Oh, certainly. It's not like filing for bankruptcy and starting over will slow some of the bigger ones down.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by DWB

It *was* frustrating for me, and that was a problem that ultimately hurt my bottom line. Now, I honestly don't care. I police the pirate sites and remove the content I need to remove, and then I do what I have to do to move forward.

There has been a huge shift in the business and people have fallen off, and more are falling off every month. No doubt about it. But some are holding on, moving forward, and doing well, making money along the way. You just have to decide which group you want to be in and act and plan accordingly. There is still plenty to be made out there, even with paysites.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by Magnetron

Oh, certainly. It's not like filing for bankruptcy and starting over will slow some of the bigger ones down.

You want it one way... but it's the other...

[Barry-xlovecam]

WHY DIDN'T I GET THE MEMO!!!
Now that I am dead I need to get back to work ...

[FriXion]

Adult once led innovation in technology, now it lags. Catch up guys ;)

[Best-In-BC]

Honestly, we are all better off build old style/ new style tgps, tubes and even mgps, if you cant make 5x your money after 3 months its cause your not working enough.

Just ridiculous, its only in decline because new affiliates are fucking losers who assume they know better.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

Honestly, we are all better off build old style/ new style tgps, tubes and even mgps, if you cant make 5x your money after 3 months its cause your not working enough.

Just ridiculous, its only in decline because new affiliates are fucking losers who assume they know better.

IMHO, with all the data available to everyone here via all the social sites, tubes, and so on, there is no reason that data can't be used to better your business and give surfers what THEY WANT, and not what YOU THINK they want. JT is a prime example of someone who used that data to his advantage and has ridden it to the bank. I believe he said recently that he has something in the neighborhood of 28,000 payment members in his paysites. You can do the math on that, but know he targets tube surfers. He used that data to build a mini empire. No reason others can't use that same data for their sites, free or for pay.

You need to work smarter now. It does pay off.

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by DWB

You need to work smarter now. It does pay off.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by FriXion

Adult once led innovation in technology, now it lags. Catch up guys ;)

I think that is one of the saddest things - After being poor that is...

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

OK - You are going to deny it - No problem - No point in arguing if you are going to do that...

Odd then that you want to keep bringing up what you know nothing about.

Hey, just for shits and giggles, what were the other usernames you used to go by here before they were banned?

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

Odd then that you want to keep bringing up what you know nothing about.

Hey, just for shits and giggles, what were the other usernames you used to go by here before they were banned?

My only other user name was damian2001/DamianMaxcash - Its not a secret...

I know a lot that you seem to have forgotten.....

[Magnetron]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

Or will companies just continue to adapt and earn money like they always have?

And should user uploaded mega tubes fall out of favor with Google, what would that continuous adaptation occur in the form of? Giving away a ton of free porn is the extreme end of the spectrum when it comes to traffic generation. Do you mean those companies would have to adapt to having less traffic and having to actually sell porn?

LOL

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Magnetron

And should user uploaded mega tubes fall out of favor with Google, what would that continuous adaptation occur in the form of? Giving away a ton of free porn is the extreme end of the spectrum when it comes to traffic generation. Do you mean those companies would have to adapt to having less traffic and having to actually sell porn?

LOL

If that what it takes. You change and find a way or you will die off. Basic business really, as it applies to everyone in every industry.

But if you're asking what the tubes will do when Google craps on them, I don't care, I don't own a tube. But rest assured that something will replace them or they will simply reinvent themselves in a way to favor the Google gods once again.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

My only other user name was damian2001/DamianMaxcash - Its not a secret...

I know a lot that you seem to have forgotten.....

Hahaha, I remember the important stuff. Perhaps you should try it. You might make something of yourself

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

Hahaha, I remember the important stuff. Perhaps you should try it. You might make something of yourself

Do you remember the proof that you scammed and cheated surfers - It was posted here for all to see - Pages of it - Do you remember that?..

Of course it would have been forgotten if you had not been such a tool and preached to everyone about honesty for years before hand.....

You are a joke...

[Magnetron]

Originally Posted by DWB

If that what it takes. You change and find a way or you will die off. Basic business really, as it applies to everyone in every industry.

But if you're asking what the tubes will do when Google craps on them, I don't care, I don't own a tube. But rest assured that something will replace them or they will simply reinvent themselves in a way to favor the Google gods once again.

It just sounds silly to those of us without tubes who have already adapted to having less traffic.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Do you remember the proof that you scammed and cheated surfers - It was posted here for all to see - Pages of it - Do you remember that?..

Of course it would have been forgotten if you had not been such a tool and preached to everyone about honesty for years before hand.....

You are a joke...

Sorry loser, just be cause and your merry band of chump change trolls scream that something is a scam, doesn't mean it's proof.
Why don't you run along and submit some TGPs or something.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

Sorry loser, just be cause and your merry band of chump change trolls scream that something is a scam, doesn't mean it's proof.
Why don't you run along and submit some TGPs or something.

You have no defence so you attack, nice to see you haven't lost all your GFY skills...

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

You have no defence so you attack, nice to see you haven't lost all your GFY skills...

Please, silly girl. You're the one that whipped out that tiny dick and tried to pee up at me.
I suggest that instead of worrying about being a hero to the trolls, you expend that energy on finding a job

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

Please, silly girl. You're the one that whipped out that tiny dick and tried to pee up at me.
I suggest that instead of worrying about being a hero to the trolls, you expend that energy on finding a job

I am not trying to be a hero to anyone - I am not here to entertain the trolls - I just remember what you did and how you persuaded everyone that you were so angelic - The hypocrisy was staggering - That's why I remember you...

If I wanted to be a 'hero' I would have made a new thread and it would not be hidden in somebody else's.....

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

I am not trying to be a hero to anyone - I am not here to entertain the trolls - I just remember what you did and how you persuaded everyone that you were so angelic - The hypocrisy was staggering - That's why I remember you...

If I wanted to be a 'hero' I would have made a new thread and it would not be hidden in somebody else's.....

I'm sure with your limited intelligence, that's how it seemed.
I'm off for happy hour.
Think of me laughing at your sorry ass as you drift off to sleep tonight.

[SpicyM]

I am glad that adult business is not for everyone anymore and the situation now actually makes porn much more better in terms of quality. Every fucking loser before could open a shitty paysite and rip off the customers with some old shitty content.

I remember years ago there were hundreds of paysites that were pure trash inside , offering hundreds of exclusive HQ videos and other lies on the tour and inside there were so shitty that I would not pay a cent to join them.

Surfers got constantly ripped and disappointed, so fuck those assholes. I am happy surfers are careful and pick the best porn nowadays.

Saw many member areas of many top sponsors (won't name them) and I often could not believe they would even sell that.

So, I do not wonder that people are very careful before they pay.

Oh, and BTW:

You idiots should not forget that we had to pay for submit passes to get our shit listed on TGPs years ago. Actually I spent like $500-$800 monthly on passes JUST TO GET REVIEWED, not listed. The listing was not guaranteed. Then I could possibly see 1:2000 ratios on my galls, so the times were not that great compared to the situation now. And yes, webmasters bitched a lot whet tgps came with this bullshit.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

I'm sure with your limited intelligence, that's how it seemed.
I'm off for happy hour.
Think of me laughing at your sorry ass as you drift off to sleep tonight.

I wont think of you again - Well, not until next time you darken GFY's doors with your presence...

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Magnetron

It just sounds silly to those of us without tubes who have already adapted to having less traffic.

I don't have a tube, so I'm in the same boat as everyone else. I've adapted to having less traffic, and did so by tweaking our tours to make them convert better. There are so many ways to get data today it's unreal. With heat maps, GA, A/B testing, and so on, you can choose the right images, text, and buttons on your tours, totally optimizing it so that that lesser traffic converts better than ever. If you know how people are using your site, and what they are looking at and clicking on, you can make a lot more money than if you just throw a bunch of content online and hope you do well with it.

So take your traffic, even if it's less, and learn how to milk everything you can out of it. What's the alternative? We all have to work with what we have.

[Magnetron]

Originally Posted by DWB

I don't have a tube, so I'm in the same boat as everyone else. I've adapted to having less traffic, and did so by tweaking our tours to make them convert better. There are so many ways to get data today it's unreal. With heat maps, GA, A/B testing, and so on, you can choose the right images, text, and buttons on your tours, totally optimizing it so that that lesser traffic converts better than ever. If you know how people are using your site, and what they are looking at and clicking on, you can make a lot more money than if you just throw a bunch of content online and hope you do well with it.

So take your traffic, even if it's less, and learn how to milk everything you can out of it. What's the alternative? We all have to work with what we have.

For a girl with a penis, you truly are a beautiful man with a beautiful mind.

[Markul]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

I am glad that adult business is not for everyone anymore and the situation now actually makes porn much more better in terms of quality. Every fucking loser before could open a shitty paysite and rip off the customers with some old shitty content.

I remember years ago there were hundreds of paysites that were pure trash inside , offering hundreds of exclusive HQ videos and other lies on the tour and inside there were so shitty that I would not pay a cent to join them.

Surfers got constantly ripped and disappointed, so fuck those assholes. I am happy surfers are careful and pick the best porn nowadays.

Saw many member areas of many top sponsors (won't name them) and I often could not believe they would even sell that.

So, I do not wonder that people are very careful before they pay.

Oh, and BTW:

You idiots should not forget that we had to pay for submit passes to get our shit listed on TGPs years ago. Actually I spent like $500-$800 monthly on passes JUST TO GET REVIEWED, not listed. The listing was not guaranteed. Then I could possibly see 1:2000 ratios on my galls, so the times were not that great compared to the situation now. And yes, webmasters bitched a lot whet tgps came with this bullshit.

This is QFT

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by DWB

IMHO, with all the data available to everyone here via all the social sites, tubes, and so on, there is no reason that data can't be used to better your business and give surfers what THEY WANT, and not what YOU THINK they want. JT is a prime example of someone who used that data to his advantage and has ridden it to the bank. I believe he said recently that he has something in the neighborhood of 28,000 payment members in his paysites. You can do the math on that, but know he targets tube surfers. He used that data to build a mini empire. No reason others can't use that same data for their sites, free or for pay.

You need to work smarter now. It does pay off.

Hard to trust anything that guy says. Very bad vibes. He was heavily involved in tubes and the whole story behind his stating that he no longer owns porntube was very fishy in my opinion.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by ITraffic

since you have moved on to dating, cams and mainstream why don't you post some tutorials and tips on how to make money in those verticals? it would be more constructive. i think everyone is aware the paysite model isn't what it was in 2007.

I would be interested in some mini tutorials as well

[2MuchMark]

They kind of left out some facts...
- There are a lot more porn producers than there used to be.
- Anyone over 18 can produce and sell their own porn. Just because vivid can do it doesn't mean that Joe and Jane 6-pack can't.
- There are a lot more trade shows than there used to be.
- Tubes, tubes tubes.

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

There has never been money in whining and complaining how things aren't the way they used to be.

Well... i think fox news makes a lot of money...

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by DWB

When I worried about "the industry," my business shrank. When I stopped caring about "the industry" and focused 100% on myself, my business stopped shrinking and started to grow again and has been growing every since.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

I wont think of you again - Well, not until next time you darken GFY's doors with your presence...

For a chat board nobody, you have a high opinion of the bottom rung you stand on.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by **********

They kind of left out some facts...
- There are a lot more porn producers than there used to be.
- Anyone over 18 can produce and sell their own porn. Just because vivid can do it doesn't mean that Joe and Jane 6-pack can't.
- There are a lot more trade shows than there used to be.
- Tubes, tubes tubes.

Actually many of the articles addressed those points. I could not quote the entire articles though so simply click on them. Most of them cited "piracy and free content" as the number one reason for the decline.

[signupdamnit]

Another thought occurs to me. Can anyone show me an article prior to 2006 (the start of the tube era) where the mainstream media or any credible industry source was talking about the decline of porn?

It seems as if it started around 2006/7...more grumblings occurred by 2009/2010 and by 2011/2012 it was all over mainstream news and accepted as an obvious fact.

[TheSquealer]

Hmmmm you mean around the time that Facebook, YouTube, Twitter and social media went to a whole new level, as never seen before, becoming surfers number one online activity,... replacing searching for porn...

.... Which again completely changed how people use the internet???

[TheSquealer]

Is there any scenario where you place yourself at the center of your failures? Or do you homestly devote the bulk of your time to searching for any fact which may be twisted to suggest you can lay blame elsewhere?

Since you have zero chance of success, let's at least turn your life into a cautionary tale for others, so they can avoid your many mistakes.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Is there any scenario where you place yourself at the center of your failures? Or do you homestly devote the bulk of your time to searching for any fact which may be twisted to suggest you can lay blame elsewhere?

Since you have zero chance of success, let's at least turn your life into a cautionary tale for others, so they can avoid your many mistakes.

You're right. I think I'm going to change my life.

I think I'll act like a big shot with my anonymous nickname and spend all day on GFY calling people I don't know losers. That definitely will make me a success. I might even be able to put some kind of crappy right wing anecdotal line in my sig and act like I'm some kind of porn billionaire! Will it make my dick grow too?

[TheSquealer]

Most importantly, I'm the guy who believes everything is possible if you want it. If you want to work for it. You however do nothing but lecture on how things are horrible and only getting worse.... as if that's a sensible business plan and recipe for success.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Most importantly, I'm the guy who believes everything is possible if you want it. If you want to work for it. You however do nothing but lecture on how things are horrible and only getting worse.... as if that's a sensible business plan and recipe for success.

Yes you're mr. motivational speaker constantly calling people who disagree with you losers while hiding behind an anonymous nickname and posting no stats and pretending to be a porn billionaire. You said in the other thread you left and got back into it. Sounds like an excuse to me. I really don't care but when you're calling others "no join losers" then you should be prepared to show your own cards not to mention how you know what others are making, mr. motivational speaker.