The Power of Vaccines

[Paully]

http://www.iflscience.com/health-and...e-his-children

[Paully]

http://vaxplanations.wordpress.com/2014/04/09/134/

also try

http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Paully

http://www.iflscience.com/health-and...e-his-children

This is very sad, but as time goes on more and more people are realizing that Big Pharma have corrupted and lied about the 'Science'

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Paully

http://vaxplanations.wordpress.com/2014/04/09/134/

[wehateporn]

In case anyone missed this, through freedom of information, here's a link to the transcript of a closed meeting of CDC, FDA, and the manufacturers discussing the possibility of neurodevelopment disorders resulting from vaccine components. This shows the importance of understanding that what gets fed to us is simply PR; not the real Facts.

http://www.aapsonline.org/vaccines/cdcfdaexperts.htm

Dr. Johnston, pg. 14-15 & 19-20: "The data on its toxicity (shows) it can cause neurologic and renal toxicity, including death.”

Dr. Weil, pg. 24: "There are just a host of neurodevelopmental data that would suggest that we’ve got a serious problem." .... "the potential for aluminum and central nervous system toxicity was established by dialysis data. To think there isn’t some possible problem here is unreal.”

Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 31: "we have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure and outcomes for these different exposures and outcomes."

Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 44: "Now for speech delays, which is the largest single disorder in this category of neurologic delays. The results are a suggestion of a trend with a small dip. The overall test for trend is highly statistically significant above one.”

Dr. Bernier, pg. 113: "So we are asking people who have a great job protecting this information up until now, to continue to do that until the time of the ACIP meeting. So to basically consider this embargoed information."

Dr. Johnson, pg. 198: "This association leads me to favor a recommendation that infants up to two years old not be immunized with Thimerosal containing vaccines if suitable alternative preparations are available.” ... "I do not want that grandson to get a Thimerosal containing vaccine until we know better what is going on."

Dr. Weil, pg. 207: "The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant.

Dr. Brent, pg. 229 "we are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits"

Dr. Clements, pg 247- 249: "that I am very concerned that this has gotten this far, and that having got this far, how you present in a concerted voice the information to the ACIP in a way they will be able to handle it and not get exposed"

Dr. Bernier, pg. 256: "just consider this embargoed information, if I can use that term, and very highly protected information"

[CaptainHowdy]

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Actually it's insanely irritating as I'm meant to be earning money, but I do the decent thing and pop in to make sure all those new to the topic have all the facts; I wouldn't want a kid to be vaccine-disabled just because I didn't post on a forum one day

so why do you live with your mother?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

so why do you live with your mother?

Those who don't vaccinate are recommended to breastfeed for as long as possible

[WarChild]

I don't understand why you people would continue to argue with this guy. You're giving legitimacy to his asinine arguments by even acknowledging them. I mean the idiot even admits that his formal education on the subject matter consists only of his own "research".

Yes it's sad that some people are so stupid that they might be influenced by this kind of nonsense. Unfortunately you can't fix stupid but at the same time people like the original poster are never able to influence actual policy anywhere because it's obvious to anyone with even a partial education that they're woefully ignorant on the subject matter. One country in Europe, I forget which off the top of my head, recently had their high court rule that the rights of parents to be ignorant do not trump the rights of children to be safe and have mandated vaccination. This is a trend that hopefully will continue making people like WHP even less significant than they already are. They will get more and more desperate, and make more and more noise, but overall have an even smaller effect. The vaccine conspiracy retards are losing and will have to move on to something else before too long.

I am not a medical doctor and so I have to rely on the knowledge of those who are. That's frustrating because lots of times doctors don't agree on things. In this case, however, the overwhelming majority of all medical professionals strongly agree on vaccination. Even if that weren't the case, hell, a single peer reviewed study is more powerful than every YouTube video these asshats can come up with.

I actually know two people, a man and a woman, who both do and have done an awful lot of work in Africa. One of them is currently volunteering at an HIV clinic in Numidia and the other has worked in a couple of different African countries with the Doctors Without Boarders organization. People like WHP absolutely infuriate them. When a mother would risk death to walk Hundreds of miles JUST for the CHANCE of getting their children vaccines, you have to ask yourself why? Do you think that "Big Pharma" has indoctrinated her? Of course not, it's because when you're actually face death for your children from preventable diseases, you have a lot different perspective than posting from your mom's basement in the UK.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by WarChild

I actually know two people, a man and a woman, who both do and have done an awful lot of work in Africa. One of them is currently volunteering at an HIV clinic in Numidia and the other has worked in a couple of different African countries with the Doctors Without Boarders organization. People like WHP absolutely infuriate them. When a mother would risk death to walk Hundreds of miles JUST for the CHANCE of getting their children vaccines, you have to ask yourself why? Do you think that "Big Pharma" has indoctrinated her? Of course not, it's because when you're actually face death for your children from preventable diseases, you have a lot different perspective than posting from your mom's basement in the UK.

I'm not trying to defend WHP, but since you mentioned Africa I wanted to point out that not all countries get the same vaccines. Some require more, some less, and some at different ages. There are variables that for whatever reason get ignored by studies.

It goes without saying that in some cases you absolutely must get vaccinated against some things, especially in regions of the world where your baby will flat out die if you don't. Yellow fever, malaria, hepatitis, and so on. Some you simply must have, no matter the risks involved.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by DWB

I'm not trying to defend WHP, but since you mentioned Africa I wanted to point out that not all countries get the same vaccines. Some require more, some less, and some at different ages. There are variables that for whatever reason get ignored by studies.

It goes without saying that in some cases you absolutely must get vaccinated against some things, especially in regions of the world where your baby will flat out die if you don't. Yellow fever, malaria, hepatitis, and so on. Some you simply must have, no matter the risks involved.

and it gets a lot worse.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by WarChild

I don't understand why you people would continue to argue with this guy. You're giving legitimacy to his asinine arguments by even acknowledging them. I mean the idiot even admits that his formal education on the subject matter consists only of his own "research".

Yes it's sad that some people are so stupid that they might be influenced by this kind of nonsense. Unfortunately you can't fix stupid but at the same time people like the original poster are never able to influence actual policy anywhere because it's obvious to anyone with even a partial education that they're woefully ignorant on the subject matter. One country in Europe, I forget which off the top of my head, recently had their high court rule that the rights of parents to be ignorant do not trump the rights of children to be safe and have mandated vaccination. This is a trend that hopefully will continue making people like WHP even less significant than they already are. They will get more and more desperate, and make more and more noise, but overall have an even smaller effect. The vaccine conspiracy retards are losing and will have to move on to something else before too long.

I am not a medical doctor and so I have to rely on the knowledge of those who are. That's frustrating because lots of times doctors don't agree on things. In this case, however, the overwhelming majority of all medical professionals strongly agree on vaccination. Even if that weren't the case, hell, a single peer reviewed study is more powerful than every YouTube video these asshats can come up with.

I actually know two people, a man and a woman, who both do and have done an awful lot of work in Africa. One of them is currently volunteering at an HIV clinic in Numidia and the other has worked in a couple of different African countries with the Doctors Without Boarders organization. People like WHP absolutely infuriate them. When a mother would risk death to walk Hundreds of miles JUST for the CHANCE of getting their children vaccines, you have to ask yourself why? Do you think that "Big Pharma" has indoctrinated her? Of course not, it's because when you're actually face death for your children from preventable diseases, you have a lot different perspective than posting from your mom's basement in the UK.

Nice troll attempt bro, I see you're back here being paid to bot again, a sign that your brain isn't good enough to make decent money elsewhere on the Internet. The subject of vaccines is a topic which is far too complex for you, you'll always been drawn to the propaganda like a fly to manure; you simply don't have the attention span to read through the studies I've been posting.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by DWB

It goes without saying that in some cases you absolutely must get vaccinated against some things, especially in regions of the world where your baby will flat out die if you don't. Yellow fever, malaria, hepatitis, and so on. Some you simply must have, no matter the risks involved.

It all comes down to improving sanitation and nutrition

[Sarah_Jayne]

Whenever I see threads like these, I think of that guy in Ghostbusters who made Egon turn off the system that was keeping all the bad ghosts in place where they couldn't hurt the public.

That and the various adults I knew growing up that were partially paralyzed because they had polio as a child.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Sarah_Jayne

Whenever I see threads like these, I think of that guy in Ghostbusters who made Egon turn off the system that was keeping all the bad ghosts in place where they couldn't hurt the public.

That and the various adults I knew growing up that were partially paralyzed because they had polio as a child.

didn't they have a different form of Vaccine when all that started? Scrape of the arm?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

didn't they have a different form of Vaccine when all that started? Scrape of the arm?

They used to use a vaccine which caused Polio by itself, after a child have been vaccinated they could spread Polio to those around them via shedding.

"Jonas Salk, inventor of the IPV, testified before a Senate subcommittee that nearly all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio vaccine."

Bill Gates still sends that particular vaccine to the Third World.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Sarah_Jayne

Whenever I see threads like these, I think of that guy in Ghostbusters

I like this one Sarah And yes I agree that it's really annoying to get slimed by Slimer, same as it's annoying to get some spots for a week and a fever, but I do remember that if you accidentally get hit by one of these proton pack's it's a lot worse than being covered in green slime or marshmallow; your analogy works very well.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

They used to use a vaccine which caused Polio by itself, after a child have been vaccinated they could spread Polio to those around them via shedding.

"Jonas Salk, inventor of the IPV, testified before a Senate subcommittee that nearly all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio vaccine."

Bill Gates still sends that particular vaccine to the Third World.

it's weird you claim to be the enlightened one.

Rotary, the World Health Organization, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention use the oral polio vaccine, and not the shot that American kids get.

The polio shot was actually invented first ? this is the same basic vaccine introduced by Jonas Salk in 1955. The oral polio vaccine, given as drops into the mouth, is the rival version that developed by Albert Sabin and introduced in 1961. The Salk shot contains dead polio virus that trains the immune system to react to the live kind; the Sabin drops are a weakened polio virus.

The U.S. switched to Sabin?s drops after he conducted a clinical trial in which he was able to virtually eliminate polio in Cincinnati. Since then, everywhere that polio has been eliminated, it has fallen to the drops, not the shots. Unlike the Salk shot, the drops don?t need to be given by a health care professional (see the anecdote about Bill Gates and the President of Chad giving them to kids in my story). The weakened virus can also spread from the stool of vaccinated kids to others, effectively widening the number of people who have gotten the vaccine and creating herd immunity.

But the U.S. switched back to the Salk shot. Why? Because in one in a million people, the Sabin drops can actually cause polio. There?s a clear explanation of why this decision was made in the the package insert contained in the Salk shot made by drug giant Sanofi. When the Sabin drops replaced the Salk shots, the annual rate of polio fell from one case per 200,000 people to one case per 2,000,000 people. At that point, the tiny risk of the vaccine causing polio became too great. Of the 127 cases of paralysis-causing polio in the U.S. between 1980 and 1994, 119 were caused by the oral Sabin vaccine. In 1999, the U.S. switched to giving all kids the shot.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

CDC = Center for Disease Creation

CDC receives money from the Pharmaceuticals and is full of people who quit their job in a major Pharmaceutical one day, started in the CDC the next, then after a few years moved straight back to their previous corporate job. Conflicts of interests everywhere, certainly not independent.




No, the anti-vaccine people and those who are concerned with vaccine safety are the ones who've read a lot more than you, it's takes years of research to start to turn against vaccine. We don't get our information from celebrities either, that's just what the propagandists like to say, we get our information from top doctors like Dr Peter Fletcher the former head of the UK Department of Health, we also use our brains to look for conflicts of interest each time a study appears instead of blindly trusting them.

The game is rigged Mark, difficult to accept I know, hard to throw away your old belief system, I can understand you wanting to cling onto it.

Dr Peter Fletcher, former UK Chief Scientific Officer at the Department of Health on MMR/Autism

"it is the steady accumulation of evidence, from a number of respected universities, teaching hospitals and laboratories around the world, that matters here. There's far too much to ignore. Yet government health authorities are, it seems, more than happy to do so."

...

"the refusal by governments to evaluate the risks properly will make this one of the greatest scandals in medical history"

...

"There are very powerful people in positions of great authority in Britain and elsewhere who have staked their reputations and careers on the safety of MMR and they are willing to do almost anything to protect themselves."

....

"Clinical and scientific data is steadily accumulating that the live measles virus in MMR can cause brain, gut and immune system damage in a subset of vulnerable children,"

So yeah, right. You want the world to listen to some porn webmaster instead of doctors and scientists from the CDC. Sorry but I think I will go with the real experts instead of the pretend experts.

[DamianJ]

The anti-vaccination movement has grown increasingly vocal in recent years, with a variety of organizations and public figures attempting to convince parents that immunizing their children presents more risks than benefits. Here are the cases for and against vaccinating children:

PROS

- Helps out pharmaceutical industry
- Get to puncture child with needle
- Old family syringe shop depends on it
- Habituates children to the pain of existence
- Flies in face of science by discrediting single unanimously refuted paper from 10 years ago
- Healthier children equals friendlier waiters at Chili’s down the line
- Could save a few million children’s lives
CONS

- You have to go to a place
- Chance of developing autism 100 percent
- Puts the onus of character-building entirely on sports
- Without suffering through diphtheria, the flu, and measles, American children will become effete, pampered do-nothings
- Free lollipops promote unhealthy eating habits
- Child won’t get to be kindergarten’s Typhoid Mary
- Bullies parents into slavishly following actions recommended by decades of physicians’ peer-reviewed research that establishes an irrefutable scientific consensus

/thread

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

it's weird you claim to be the enlightened one.

Right, so just because they rename Polio if it comes from the shots doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If a GFYMod renames my nick to non-wehateporn that doesn't mean that I'm not still wehateporn; it's just a name change not a reality change

Here's what researchers said about Bill Gate's Polio vaccines which were sent to the India

"?while India has been polio-free for a year, there has been a huge increase in non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP). In 2011, there were an extra 47,500 new cases of NPAFP. Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received. Though this data was collected within the polio surveillance system, it was not investigated. The principle of primum-non-nocere [First, do no harm] was violated."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22591873

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by **********

So yeah, right. You want the world to listen to some porn webmaster instead of doctors and scientists from the CDC. Sorry but I think I will go with the real experts instead of the pretend experts.

Looks like you didn't bother reading what you replied to, Dr Peter Fletcher is not a Porn Webmaster.

Dr Peter Fletcher, former UK Chief Scientific Officer at the Department of Health on MMR/Autism

"it is the steady accumulation of evidence, from a number of respected universities, teaching hospitals and laboratories around the world, that matters here. There's far too much to ignore. Yet government health authorities are, it seems, more than happy to do so."

...

"the refusal by governments to evaluate the risks properly will make this one of the greatest scandals in medical history"

...

"There are very powerful people in positions of great authority in Britain and elsewhere who have staked their reputations and careers on the safety of MMR and they are willing to do almost anything to protect themselves."

....

"Clinical and scientific data is steadily accumulating that the live measles virus in MMR can cause brain, gut and immune system damage in a subset of vulnerable children,"

[wehateporn]

Great looking new film!

http://vimeo.com/91359066