The Power of Vaccines

[beerptrol]

I blame vaccines. They have allowed stupid people to live and breed more stupid people.

[Penny24Seven]

100 people who need a shot

[arock10]

Wehateporn is fapping hard to this thread right now. A wet dream come true

Now if only he'd huff some small pox to prove us wrong

[DamianJ]

http://www.badscience.net/2008/08/the-medias-mmr-hoax/

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Paully

Well if it was all about money then why vaccinate. Fill the hospital beds up. You people need to Google polio, smallpox, whooping cough, mumps etc...

How much do they make from mild childhood illnesses like Chicken Pox, Mumps etc which last a week or two? Nothing compared to leaving someone dependent on drugs for life to treat their vaccine-induced autoimmune disease. e.g. Diabetes Type 1

Think in terms of adult, imagine having lifetime rebills from a customer compared to one who cancels after 10 days.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by beerptrol

I blame vaccines. They have allowed stupid people to live and breed more stupid people.

Yet vaccines warn on the label that they can harm fertility; it's the vaccinated who are leaving the pool

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Paully

The 1st is info from a parental survey with 83 kids who were autistic and 80 who weren't. Hardly scientific.

Looking at statistics is part of science, the study was scientific run by scientists

Originally Posted by Paully

The second you point out has references no later than 2009 and was meant to measure the immune system of mice that had their immune system purposefully destroyed by adding high and repeated dosages of antigens.

The study is peer-reviewed, what they did closely mirrors the US childhood vaccine schedule.

Originally Posted by Paully

No one is claiming vaccines are perfect but for you to think that passing out vaccines for free for the most part is some sort of conspiracy or has any other purpose other than saving lives make you a fool.

It's sweet if you believe that these corporations who profit from your bad health are trying to help you with their vaccines, the studies show that they are sowing the seeds of disease to increase future profits.

Originally Posted by Paully

Not to mention living past the age of 7 years old.

Actually studies show that of the first world nations the ones which give the least vaccines have the best infant mortality rates.

Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given: Is there a biochemical or synergistic toxicity?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/

Originally Posted by Paully

Unless you have devoted your life to saving others through medicine and vaccines and have double blind, placebo controlled, peer reviewed studies then what you say is not only ignorant but dangerous to the overall health of anyone within earshot or maybe even a cough from you.

There is a lot of propaganda out there, it's all paid for by a $Trillion industry, an industry which makes money when you get sick, they ideally want you on drugs for life i.e. lifetime rebills. Here's a former Pharma exec blowing the whistle on the industry

Originally Posted by Paully

I have a kid. I did the research hearing the same shit you did. I talked to multiple doctors and as far as I'm concerned parents should be locked up for not immunizing their kids.

The problem is that there's so much propaganda around that it's very difficult to get away from when you do research for the first time, it will give you a false impression. I too used to believe in vaccines, I've had a fascination with the topic as I'm a bit like that having studied two science degrees. I can understand why people new to the topic will quickly take the pro-vaccine side, but you've got to keep your mind open and keep reading through the studies, keep listening to the doctors and researchers who are speaking out against the pharmaceuticals as this will allow you to form a balanced opinion on this complex topic.

Here's a good video for all those who are relatively new to the topic, the doctor looks into the history of childhood disease and weighs up the risks against the benefits of each vaccine.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by arock10

Wehateporn is fapping hard to this thread right now. A wet dream come true

Now if only he'd huff some small pox to prove us wrong

Actually it's insanely irritating as I'm meant to be earning money, but I do the decent thing and pop in to make sure all those new to the topic have all the facts; I wouldn't want a kid to be vaccine-disabled just because I didn't post on a forum one day

[DWB]

Originally Posted by baddog

I think it is pretty obvious that it is the change of diagnosis that has caused the increase. What I found interesting is that so many of these autistic kids came from wealthy families.

I guess having the cash to pursue the diagnosis helps, which could account for why some third world country does not have as many autistics.

I do believe modern testing and diagnosis procedures have increased the numbers some on a global scale, but it's not just third world countries with lower rates. Look up the stats on other first world countries. They have the same testing ability as the USA. However, not all of them push the same vaccines. There is endless amounts of information out there, look it up.

It very well may NOT be vaccines, it could be anything, but with the data that is out there, it's a little hard for me to rule it out as a possibility. Something is causing it, and the increase in American children particularly is alarming. 1 in 1000+ in most other first world nations vs 1 in 70 in the USA. That is simply staggering, and I find it hard to believe better diagnosis is the cause for such a mind boggling number, and only in the USA. Unless of course, it's in a doctor's financial benefit somehow to label more children as autistic. And I don't rule that out either.

It could just be diet, or lack of proper nutrients before a certain age. You personally know what a difference that makes to the body. I don't rule that out either. Until they actually know for 100% certainty what causes it, I've left my mind open to any and all reasons, as that is the only logical way to look at a problem that is without a solution. I'm certainly not going to simply put blind trust in any government agency or health organization that is funded by or lobbied by big pharma.

Originally Posted by trevesty

So all of those judges and lawyers are somehow experts on vaccines now? If I want the answer to the nuances of law, I ask them. If I want the answer to the nuances of micro biology, immunology, chemistry, etc., I'll ask a specialist in the respective field.

It's.... silly, man. Come on.

Do you honestly think that with those multiple court cases, with MILLIONS of dollars at sake, and the legal precedent it may create, that experts from both sides of the fence were not brought in? Or do you believe they let the local sheriff make the final call?

[arock10]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Actually it's insanely irritating as I'm meant to be earning money, but I do the decent thing and pop in to make sure all those new to the topic have all the facts; I wouldn't want a kid to be vaccine-disabled just because I didn't post on a forum one day

Yes you'd prefer them dead from your "facts"

[2MuchMark]

For fuck sakes people... Stop believing what you see on Fox News, and especially stop listening to idiotic Celebrities (Trump, Jenny MaCarthy, etc) and politcians (who know who) who make stupid, dangerous off the cuff remarks about shit they know nothing about.

Listen to the Doctors and Scientists:

Start with JPEDS: The Journal of Paediatrics
Increasing Exposure to Antibody-Stimulating Proteins and Polysaccharides in Vaccines Is Not Associated with Risk of Autism
http://jpeds.com/webfiles/images/jou...SDeStefano.pdf

Not good enough? Go to the CDC Website at www.CDC.gov and you will find *INFORMATION*, not speculation, like this:
Some Common Misconceptions About Vaccination
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/6mishome.htm

Too lazy to read? Then you're a danger to yourself, your kids, the people around you, and anyone who reads your rants full of misinformation. Or if you're one of those people who won't believe what the CDC tells you then there is no hope for you at all. Go stick your head up Donald Trump's ass and enjoy yourself.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by **********

Increasing Exposure to Antibody-Stimulating Proteins and Polysaccharides in Vaccines Is Not Associated with Risk of Autism
http://jpeds.com/webfiles/images/jou...SDeStefano.pdf

hmmm.... "We thank Dr Paul Offit for his assistance in determining the antibody-
stimulating protein and polysaccharide content of specific vaccines."

Just read that study, Paul Offit is a vaccine patent holder who's made over $20 million from vaccines, his nickname is Paul 'Profit' Offit. When you see his name you know it's BS, he's effectively the car salesman of vaccines. He makes is paid Millions by Merck, that is Merck the makers of the MMR vaccine. The man should not be allowed anywhere near a study like this due to gross conflict of interest.

Profit Offit once said "an infant can safely receive up to 10,000 vaccines at once"

[MediaGuy]

This is one of my favorite scenes from Sleeper:

And that's just because I couldn't find that first scene where he wakes up which is a classic of slapstick.

Slapstick - unfortunately one of our greatest comics forgot all about it...

:D

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by **********

Not good enough? Go to the CDC Website at www.CDC.gov and you will find *INFORMATION*, not speculation, like this:
Some Common Misconceptions About Vaccination
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/6mishome.htm

CDC = Center for Disease Creation

CDC receives money from the Pharmaceuticals and is full of people who quit their job in a major Pharmaceutical one day, started in the CDC the next, then after a few years moved straight back to their previous corporate job. Conflicts of interests everywhere, certainly not independent.

Originally Posted by **********

Too lazy to read? Then you're a danger to yourself, your kids, the people around you, and anyone who reads your rants full of misinformation. Or if you're one of those people who won't believe what the CDC tells you then there is no hope for you at all. Go stick your head up Donald Trump's ass and enjoy yourself.

No, the anti-vaccine people and those who are concerned with vaccine safety are the ones who've read a lot more than you, it's takes years of research to start to turn against vaccine. We don't get our information from celebrities either, that's just what the propagandists like to say, we get our information from top doctors like Dr Peter Fletcher the former head of the UK Department of Health, we also use our brains to look for conflicts of interest each time a study appears instead of blindly trusting them.

The game is rigged Mark, difficult to accept I know, hard to throw away your old belief system, I can understand you wanting to cling onto it.

Dr Peter Fletcher, former UK Chief Scientific Officer at the Department of Health on MMR/Autism

"it is the steady accumulation of evidence, from a number of respected universities, teaching hospitals and laboratories around the world, that matters here. There's far too much to ignore. Yet government health authorities are, it seems, more than happy to do so."

...

"the refusal by governments to evaluate the risks properly will make this one of the greatest scandals in medical history"

...

"There are very powerful people in positions of great authority in Britain and elsewhere who have staked their reputations and careers on the safety of MMR and they are willing to do almost anything to protect themselves."

....

"Clinical and scientific data is steadily accumulating that the live measles virus in MMR can cause brain, gut and immune system damage in a subset of vulnerable children,"

[wehateporn]

Let's see what a freedom of information request gets us, these are from a closed meeting of experts from CDC, FDA, and the manufacturers discussing the possibility of neurodevelopment disorders resulting from vaccine components.

http://www.aapsonline.org/vaccines/cdcfdaexperts.htm

Dr. Johnston, pg. 14-15 & 19-20: "The data on its toxicity (shows) it can cause neurologic and renal toxicity, including death.?

Dr. Weil, pg. 24: "There are just a host of neurodevelopmental data that would suggest that we?ve got a serious problem." .... "the potential for aluminum and central nervous system toxicity was established by dialysis data. To think there isn?t some possible problem here is unreal.?

Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 31: "we have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure and outcomes for these different exposures and outcomes."

Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 44: "Now for speech delays, which is the largest single disorder in this category of neurologic delays. The results are a suggestion of a trend with a small dip. The overall test for trend is highly statistically significant above one.?

Dr. Bernier, pg. 113: "So we are asking people who have a great job protecting this information up until now, to continue to do that until the time of the ACIP meeting. So to basically consider this embargoed information."

Dr. Johnson, pg. 198: "This association leads me to favor a recommendation that infants up to two years old not be immunized with Thimerosal containing vaccines if suitable alternative preparations are available.? ... "I do not want that grandson to get a Thimerosal containing vaccine until we know better what is going on."

Dr. Weil, pg. 207: "The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant.

Dr. Brent, pg. 229 "we are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits"

Dr. Clements, pg 247- 249: "that I am very concerned that this has gotten this far, and that having got this far, how you present in a concerted voice the information to the ACIP in a way they will be able to handle it and not get exposed"

Dr. Bernier, pg. 256: "just consider this embargoed information, if I can use that term, and very highly protected information"

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by MediaGuy

This is one of my favorite scenes from Sleeper:

And that's just because I couldn't find that first scene where he wakes up which is a classic of slapstick.

:D

Love that movie...

Twisted minds think alike!

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Reminds me of one of my favorite scenes from "Sleeper":

The "awakening" scene starts at 3 minutes, and about 5 minutes in is when the fun starts:



Time for an Orgasmatron experience:





ADG

[VikingMan]

I have a question for the braindead people who like to make fun of people who protect their kids from the toxins that are added to vaccines. The tards love to make fun of people like Jenny McCarthy but here is another famous person who is also a MD who does not vaccinate his children. Why don't you tards make fun of him and his wife? Of course he tells other partents to vaccinate but does not vaccinate his own kids. He says his wife makes those decisions and that if it was up to him that he would vaccinate his kids. Nice excuse from another sociopath health care worker.

I have posted this before and will do it again for the tards who cannot process simple ideas. It is not just the vaccines people are worried about but mainly it is the preservatives and adjvants added to the vaccines to make them last longer on the shelf and to also increase the power of the vaccines. If I walked up to your kids cereal bowl and dropped in some mercury I would be put into prison. However your doctor can inject mercury into your kid and it is completely legal. Absolutely brilliant!!!! And yes I know that Mercury has been taken out of child vaccines in the last decade or so but is still in the flu shot which kids and adults are constantly encouraged to get by the whore-ish health care workers.

[deltav]

LOL, because Dr. Oz isn't a "celebrity medicine" sensationalist quack? It's widely documented that he offers pseudoscientific advice not really based on actual peer-reviewed research:

http://www.popsci.com/science/articl...oz-bad-science

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...a_fact_specter

http://www.slate.com/articles/health...t_science.html

Again, people like WHP simply don't understand how the science/academic/medicine world works, though the little swirly patterns in their eyes tell them they absolutely do and it's the rest of the world that's deluded. They Know The Truth!

[deltav]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/the...hildren,35731/

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by Jel

I agree with everything you said, but as a complete aside, and unrelated to anything in this thread, take a look at http://www.upworthy.com/ever-hear-ab...r-millions?g=4

very eye-opening (basically, it wasn't what the media portrayed as being someone sueing simply because the coffee was too hot - just a few minutes long but worth watching just to be aware of what actually happened)

Thanks, I'll definitely check it out when I wind down later on.

[PR_Glen]

that has to be the first time i've ever seen doctor oz used as an authority on something health related that wasn't sarcastic. That's fucking too much.. yeah low fat diets are healthy and will leat to fat loss too!

fucking clown shoes around here.. and one of you will have their kids die because of it, congratulations. Darwin always wins.

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by DWB

Do you honestly think that with those multiple court cases, with MILLIONS of dollars at sake, and the legal precedent it may create, that experts from both sides of the fence were not brought in? Or do you believe they let the local sheriff make the final call?

Do you realize that attorneys will pay experts in name only to find, or create, "research" to "demonstrate" their side so that they'll win and get paid very often? Like the guy who started this anti-vax crusade recently that so many of them view as some demigod of sorts. Again, it's silly and doesn't say anything at all. Academic research that's well cited and accepted in the community after it's been rigorously tested and re-tested does. The entire purpose of my lawyer in a DUI case is to win at all costs - even if I DID drink and drive, his job is to convince the court that I'm not guilty of it, even if there's evidence to the contrary. That's really basic and easy(for me anyways - I guess it just went over some peoples' head) to understand. On the other hand, the job of the prosecutor is to demonstrate that I DID in fact drink and drive, even if maybe I didn't at all.


I'll say this: I trust someone with rigorous scientific training over anyone with a law degree - whether it be with babysitting my dogs while on vacation, or about scientific matters.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by trevesty

Do you realize that attorneys will pay experts in name only to find, or create, "research" to "demonstrate" their side so that they'll win and get paid very often?

You think Pharmaceutical 'research' is honest science and not faked for profit? Let's look at what the independent and not for profit Cochrane Collaboation had to say when they reviewed the studies being used to justify flu vaccines.

“…industry funded studies were published in more prestigious journals and cited more than other studies…”

“…reliable evidence on influenza vaccines is thin…”

“…there is evidence of widespread manipulation of conclusions…”

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...1269.pub4/full

Originally Posted by trevesty

Again, it's silly and doesn't say anything at all. Academic research that's well cited and accepted in the community after it's been rigorously tested and re-tested does.

It's corporate research which is being used to fund vaccine 'science', they are paying for it, you dare prove vaccines are harmful and you won't be getting paid to research again. It is like saying that a Van is safe because it kills at a slightly lower rate than a lorry; the reality is that they're both dangerous.

Vaccines are not rigorously tested at all, there are major black holes in vaccine science which the pharmaceuticals won't touch, their safety is based on belief, not real science, as you'll see with the glaring problems below:-

1. No real controls in their safety studies, a saline solution would do the job just fine, but they always compare with another vaccine. The real meaning of such a study is 'Which vaccine is more dangerous?', it's simply a comparison, not a proof of safety.

2. They refuse to test the safety of the full vaccine schedule, they only test one vaccine at a time; that's not good science.

3. They claim to care about Herd Immunity but then recommend Tylenol / Paracetamol after vaccination which is known to prevent vaccines from working. They do not test the safety of each vaccine with the Tylenol which they recommend be taken with it.

4. They only test vaccines on the healthiest people, not on the sick, then they push them straight onto the sick.

5. Once on the market there is only a voluntary reporting of adverse effects, that means only 5%-10% of vaccine damage being reported.

6. No long-term safety testing, they safety test for a few days. Yet autoimmune diseases can start 2 months, 12 months or even 5 years down the line.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by trevesty

Do you realize that attorneys will pay experts in name only to find, or create, "research" to "demonstrate" their side so that they'll win and get paid very often? Like the guy who started this anti-vax crusade recently that so many of them view as some demigod of sorts. Again, it's silly and doesn't say anything at all. Academic research that's well cited and accepted in the community after it's been rigorously tested and re-tested does. The entire purpose of my lawyer in a DUI case is to win at all costs - even if I DID drink and drive, his job is to convince the court that I'm not guilty of it, even if there's evidence to the contrary. That's really basic and easy(for me anyways - I guess it just went over some peoples' head) to understand. On the other hand, the job of the prosecutor is to demonstrate that I DID in fact drink and drive, even if maybe I didn't at all.

That must be it, the anti-vax group and a few families had more money to pay off people than the government and big pharma did.

[wehateporn]

[wehateporn]

[wehateporn]

[baddog]

Dr Oz? Really? Europeans take our TV far too serious I think.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by baddog

Dr Oz? Really? Europeans take our TV far too serious I think.

Harvard ain't too bad you know

[Sly]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Harvard ain't too bad you know

One Harvard Dr. against XXX Harvard doctors? what to do, what to do?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Harvard ain't too bad you know

There is no correlation between a harvard degree and integrity on television.

Besides, what Oz said was his wife chooses not to get the combined mmr vaccine for their children.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Sly

One Harvard Dr. against XXX Harvard doctors?

Did you do the survey yourself?

[Sly]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Did you do the survey yourself?

I saw a YouTube video AND infographic about it, plus my cousin is a Harvard graduated Dr.

I have everything you do!

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Besides, what Oz said was his wife chooses not to get the combined mmr vaccine for their children.

He blames it on his wife that they don't vaccinate, but we know damn well it's come from him because of the information he has. He knows if he admits the truth on TV Big Pharma will promptly end his career

[dyna mo]

BEHAR: Well first of all, someone want to know there`s a rumor that your kids did not get flu shots or swine flu shots is that right?

OZ: That`s true, they did not.

BEHAR: Do you not believe in them for the kids or what?

OZ: No, I would have vaccinated my kids but you know I - I`m in a happy marriage and my wife who makes most of the important decisions as most couples have in their lives.

BEHAR: Yes.

OZ: Who absolutely refuses. And listen the kids are pretty healthy. We actually think two of them caught swine flu very early on anyway. So there`s no point vaccinating them again. And you know -

BEHAR: What do you, on that same subject, what do you think about this controversy that`s going around about vaccinations and autism and other little things that happens to kids?

OZ: I think kids like the canary and the coal mine. That they are more susceptible to some of the toxins maybe our generation was able to overcome. That`s why we have a lot more allergies now. Perhaps one of the reason why we have more autism. But I don`t think it`s just the vaccine.

BEHAR: No.

OZ: Although, I don`t want to ignore the potential role they have. So what we do with our kids is we spread the vaccine out.

BEHAR: Right, so why don`t the doctors just do that?

OZ: It`s a lot more expensive and kids fall through the cracks.

BEHAR: Yes.

OZ: It`s hard enough to get in there once a year for the shots and imagine if you have to bring them in every other month. And those two factors are a big issue.

BEHAR: I see.

OZ: Plus, we have no evidence at all, Joy, none, that they actually cause autism.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Besides, what Oz said was his wife chooses not to get the combined mmr vaccine for their children.

is there still a choice?

[VikingMan]

Hey I was not posting bout DR OZ because I respect him, I called him a sociopath. He does not vaccinate his own kids but tells everyone else to vaccinate theirs. He uses the excuse that his wife is against it. That is just a smoke screen.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

is there still a choice?

Yes, get them all separately in a rigorous schedule of injections over time.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by VikingMan

Hey I was not posting bout DR OZ because I respect him, I called him a sociopath. He does not vaccinate his own kids but tells everyone else to vaccinate theirs. He uses the excuse that his wife is against it. That is just a smoke screen.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

is there still a choice?

Yep, we're still free to remain unvaccinated

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Yep, we're still free to remain unvaccinated

can't go to school here without certain vaccines. call it applied common sense.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Yes, get them all separately in a rigorous schedule of injections over time.

sure hope so.. lots of talk about legislation floating around

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by VikingMan

Hey I was not posting bout DR OZ because I respect him, I called him a sociopath. He does not vaccinate his own kids but tells everyone else to vaccinate theirs. He uses the excuse that his wife is against it. That is just a smoke screen.

it's a smoke screen for the fact he's prolly spent 20 minutes total with his kids in 2014.
He's as full of himself as he is full of shit.

But one thing is for certain, he's not anti-vaccine tv henchman miscommunicator with a hidden agenda working for the vaccine industry to misguide his audience.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

can't go to school here without certain vaccines. call it applied common sense.

look into Vaccine Exemptions, they are what the Pharma Execs use to get their unvaccinated kids into school

[wehateporn]

Get your exemption forms here

http://experimentalvaccines.org/vacc...emption-forms/

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

look into Vaccine Exemptions, they are what the Pharma Execs use to get their unvaccinated kids into school

of course there are exemptions, that's not proof of anything.


In 1905, the U.S. Supreme Court affirmed the legal authority of state governments to pass laws requiring citizens residing in the state to use smallpox vaccine (or other vaccines) if the state considers mass use of the vaccine necessary to protect the "public health".

As of 2011, all 50 states have enacted vaccine laws that require proof children have received certain vaccines in order to attend daycare, middle school, high school and college.

However, in most states citizens currently have the legal right to opt out of using vaccines.

All 50 states allow a medical exemption to vaccination (medical exemptions must be approved by an M.D. or D.O.); 48 states allow a religious exemption to vaccination; and 18 states allow a personal, philosophical or conscientious belief exemption to vaccination.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

of course there are exemptions, that's not proof of anything.

It was being used as proof that you don't need to get vaccinated to go to school

[wehateporn]

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

It was being used as proof that you don't need to get vaccinated to go to school

what % opt out, whp?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

what % opt out, whp?

I know this isn't exactly what you're asking for, but it's very useful for getting an idea globally

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-24519949

Notice how Russia doesn't bother much with the Hib jab and they have an incredibly low rate of Diabetes Type 1

A six-fold gradient in the incidence of type 1 diabetes at the eastern border of Finland.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15902849