The Russians Are Revolting...

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Because I don't agree with you does not mean I don't know or understand the situation - It means I have a different opinion...

Or just not enough knowledge from modern history of world (and Europe,too)...

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Of course it's behind it,it's a trick to expand, basically you send a lot of immigrants of your own nationally,wait till they mutiny,and then you "free" them.

hummmm .... sounds like '' settlers '' ....

[just a punk]

Putin caught revolting Ukraine:

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by deltav

In Soviet Russia, opinions have YOU!

Sure thing, comrade

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Or just not enough knowledge from modern history of world (and Europe,too)...

My statement in the opening post is about what is happening now - It isn't history yet...

If you want to argue that Putin has a right to take east Ukraine because of it's history that's fine - However it will not change what I said is happening NOW - What happened in Crimea and what I expect will happen in the east was/is a land grab based on the CURRENT contrived events.....

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Again...

They are causing chaos in east Ukraine now -

...

they are paria we should nuke them in our country !

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Putin caught revolting Ukraine:

rotfl

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

If you want to argue that Putin has a right to take east Ukraine because

Who he is to have such a "right"? He is not a god (yet? ;)) Furthermore, I have serious doubts that he want to join the Eastern Ukraine to Russia, because it won't bring any profit for Russia and for him personally but only problems (economical, humanitarian and political ones).

You should stop thinking about Putin (you are too old for his taste ;)) The more important thing is what the Easter Ukrainians want. Do they want to stay with Kiev or not?

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by woj

"The activists in Donetsk called for Russia to send in 'peacekeepers' to protect them from Kiev"

not sure why, but that sounds familiar...

Yes, it is

[TheSquealer]

Putin is playing Game of Thrones and the rest of the world is playing Game of Hugs. He's doing exactly what should have always been expected of him.... exploiting the missteps of the worlds weak leaders for his own nations long term, strategic interests.

[The Porn Nerd]

Russian women are not revolting - until they turn 35.

[Sid70]

At some point I believe, we Ukrainians, fucked up at the point of being passive in our nation's typical lifestyle - living separately on one's farms. We should've started revolting much sooner, but it seems like gathering up it's not our gig, especially when there is no leader to trust.

East side Ukraine and Crimea is full of people who would seek "help" in Russia, they basically want the Soviet Union back, I'm so depressed seeing young people supporting that, I thought I was the last generation who lived in that ugly Soviet reality but there are 3 more generations raised after that who tend to think Soviet realm.

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

My statement in the opening post is about what is happening now - It isn't history yet...

If you want to argue that Putin has a right to take east Ukraine because of it's history that's fine - However it will not change what I said is happening NOW - What happened in Crimea and what I expect will happen in the east was/is a land grab based on the CURRENT contrived events.....

Nothing from that. I was more talking about knowing what happened in past and what mess was done by west and it was not a problem at all. Double standards, and luckily this time we can see how bipolar world function. In case that there were no strong Russia in this,same mess would happen like in Yugoslavia:death,devastation,astrocites,suffering or (like it happened in Libya, Iraq, and currently in Syria) ...actually,it would probably be much worse, since Ukraine is twice bigger then ex Yu. So, from my perspective and after knowing how things can go insane, I hope that there will be no war in eastern Ukraine and it will happen similar like in Crimea (without blood).

[oppoten]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

The more important thing is what the Easter Ukrainians want.

They want to be Russian by Christmas

[directfiesta]

In Kiev, interim prime minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk told the cabinet over the weekend that the new price for gas was unfair and Ukraine would not pay it.

I predict a cold winter .

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

same mess would happen like in Yugoslavia:death,devastation,astrocites,suffering

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by oppoten

They want to be Russian by Christmas

In this case they can move to Russia and apply for Russian citizenship. I don't see any reason to join their territories to Russia.

[Alex911]

Originally Posted by ZiggiZiggiCrew

Ukranian propaganda

lol, seriously do they actually print that?

[Dmcontent]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

In this case they can move to Russia and apply for Russian citizenship. I don't see any reason to join their territories to Russia.

After reading many posts about Ukraine/Russia this is the best so fare

[Cherry7]

The West started a dangerous game in supporting the overthrow of the Ukrainian government.

What is needed now is for all foreign powers to withdraw from the country and for new elections to be held.


Sadly I see no chance of that happening.

[ZiggiZiggiCrew]

thread sucks without boobs

[evy97]

What will happen in Ukraine -> http://www.thenation.com/article/179...another-greece

The IMF conditions for Ukraine won?t include any debt relief, and unlike the European Union-IMF bailout for Cyprus, they won?t impose any haircuts on the country?s creditors. Instead, the IMF recipe hinges on cuts to subsidies and social services and a floating exchange rate that will sink purchasing power even further. Kiev has already started to implement all of these measures. According to economists, the result will be growing poverty, reduced social benefits and an extended recession

Ordinary people will be the undisputed losers in Ukraine, since they?ll pay for the so-called reform program rather than the oligarchs who continue to freely move billions of dollars to offshore tax havens. The biggest winners will be currency speculators; Western banks whose loans will be repaid via austerity measures; and European corporations who will gain access to the country?s markets and cheap Ukrainian labor under an EU association agreement set to be signed in May.

The IMF economic reform program will unlock up to $27 billion in loans when it is approved this month, assuming Ukraine adopts a ?strong and comprehensive package of prior actions,? according to an IMF statement.

In the first ?prior action? for the IMF loan, Ukraine?s state-controlled natural gas provider Naftogaz raised its subsidized gas prices for consumers by 50 percent starting May 1. (Gas and heating prices will increase by 120 percent over the next four years, Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk said last week.) According to Kiselyov, even more painful will be the accompanying 40 percent gas price hike for local heating companies. Starting on July 1, this will raise the average cost of heating a standard fifty-square-meter apartment from about 200 hryvnia to 280 hryvnia (from $18 to $25) per month. It?s a significant hit, considering that the average monthly wage in Ukraine is only about 3,150 hryvnia ($275), more than half of which typically goes toward food, Kiselyov said.

The second step in the austerity program came into effect on Tuesday? a law raising property and excise taxes and cutting social expenditures. The cuts include a 10 percent reduction in pensions for former government employees, decreased benefits for families with newborns and reduced numbers of law enforcement and state prosecutor employees.

Finally, a budget law signed on Tuesday increases government borrowing, while freezing the minimum wage and cutting the pension fund by 4 percent. In addition, Yatsenyuk said that despite rising prices, the poverty line won?t be increased this year, meaning the numerous social benefits based on that index will also be frozen.

But the most painful of the IMF demands is a free-floating exchange rate that?s already being implemented, which will contribute to soaring inflation. Estimates continue to be revised: the National Bank of Ukraine is now forecasting inflation of 12 to 16 percent this year, and the Royal Bank of Scotland now predicts the hryvnia will fall to 12.5 on the dollar by the end of the year, after starting at 8.23

The IMF?s most immediate concern, as former World Bank chief economist and Nobel Prize winner Joseph Stiglitz has said, is making sure Western financial institutions are paid back. European banks reportedly have more than $23 billion in outstanding loans in Ukraine, and US banks have more than $1.5 billion in outstanding loans there.

Meanwhile, currency speculators will be able to profit from fluctuations in the hryvnia. And multinational corporations stand to benefit from privatization of those state assets that haven?t already been sold off. The IMF statement?s goals of ?attracting new investment? to the energy sector and ?restructuring? of Naftogaz hint at privatization to come, and government officials have dutifully responded with proposals to sell off coal mines and parts of the gas company.

Meanwhile in Ukrainian parliament

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by klinton

dont forget that she (US ambassador) was giving also bread to Berkut police.... so dont manipulate it that much....

anyway, the other thing is is it good for foreign ambassador to act like this....regardless if she gives bread for Berkut or sweets for protesters.....

how does one manipulate US ambassadors attending protests in foreign countries?

[klinton]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

how does one manipulate US ambassadors attending protests in foreign countries?

he tried(poster) to manipulate facts about US ambassador giving sweets to protesters...while she was doing that BUT ALSO she was giving bread to Berkut police ;-)

like I said before, the other thing is if she should leave embassy at all......

[woj]

Originally Posted by evy97

What will happen in Ukraine -> http://www.thenation.com/article/179...another-greece

Meanwhile in Ukrainian parliament

you make it sound like there is something wrong about paying back what you borrowed...

where I come from, you borrow $$ from someone, you pay it back...
same rules don't apply where you come from?

or do you actually think that adding "banks" to the equation somehow changes your obligation to pay back the debt?

[evy97]

Originally Posted by woj

you make it sound like there is something wrong about paying back what you borrowed...

where I come from, you borrow $$ from someone, you pay it back...
same rules don't apply where you come from?

or do you actually think that adding "banks" to the equation somehow changes your obligation to pay back the debt?

Good to hear. So, when will the US pay off its $17 trillion debt??

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by woj

you make it sound like there is something wrong about paying back what you borrowed...

where I come from, you borrow $$ from someone, you pay it back...
same rules don't apply where you come from?

or do you actually think that adding "banks" to the equation somehow changes your obligation to pay back the debt?

is it 'borrowing' when someone forces you to do it?

[klinton]

Originally Posted by evy97

Good to hear. So, when will the US pay off its $17 trillion debt??

very soon, just after will borrow some more... very soon...

but each country has debts....

[woj]

Originally Posted by evy97

Good to hear. So, when will the US pay off its $17 trillion debt??

last I checked we pay back what every investor agreed to... they give us $$$, we pay them back interest... exactly what each party agreed to...

where do you see a problem?

[CAHEK]

Meanwhile in Kharkov

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by woj

last I checked we pay back what every investor agreed to... they give us $$$, we pay them back interest... exactly what each party agreed to...

where do you see a problem?

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100382718

Germany Wants Its Gold Back?Should You Worry?

wink. wink.

[woj]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100382718

Germany Wants Its Gold Back—Should You Worry?

wink. wink.

what does that have to do with anything? especially the fact that some countries do not want to pay back the debt they agreed to and then try to vilify the lender like somehow it's their fault?

[Antonio]

Originally Posted by evy97

Good to hear. So, when will the US pay off its $17 trillion debt??

Yup, living in the US must be terrible, that's why there are millions of Americans moving to Russia every month

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by woj

what does that have to do with anything? especially the fact that some countries do not want to pay back the debt they agreed to and then try to vilify the lender like somehow it's their fault?

are you referring to the US again?

you said you paid back every investor.. Germany would like its gold

[WDF]

I am sure the US will pay back all it's debts as soon as all those countries that owe the US a debt from WW2 cough up what they owe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

The comrades would be speaking German for the last 70 years if the only had their own resources to fight them.

[WDF]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

are you referring to the US again?

you said you paid back every investor.. Germany would like its gold

You live in the German Republic of Canada now?

[femdomdestiny]

Someone is trying to ignite things. Shit is going to start soon, smart people should get out as soon as possible...

The memorial to Holocaust victims has been vandalized in Odessa, southern Ukraine. The perpetrators drew Nazi symbols-swastika and wolf-hook. While protesters in Kiev are demanding the arrest of those who wear St. George?s ribbons, symbol of WWII heroes.

[Alex911]

Originally Posted by ZiggiZiggiCrew

thread sucks without boobs

[femdomdestiny]

Reuters | 09 04 In 2014.

Russia and China are close to the signing of the gas, said today in Beijing, deputy chairman of the Russian government Arkady Dvorkovich.

He explained to reporters that the parties are working on a contract to be signed in May. The only question that remains unresolved is the base price, said Dvorkovich.

According to him, the consultations are conducted daily. To this end, the management of Gazprom will be the day to talk with Chinese partners on the terms of the contract.

Dvorkovich expressed hope that the agreement will be signed in May, and it should come into force by the end of the year.

Russian Deputy Prime Minister Akradij Dvorkovich participated in a meeting of the Co-Chairs Russian-Chinese Intergovernmental Commission for Energy.

[klinton]

Originally Posted by Antonio

Yup, living in the US must be terrible, that's why there are millions of Americans moving to Russia every month

[evy97]

Originally Posted by woj

last I checked we pay back what every investor agreed to... they give us $$$, we pay them back interest... exactly what each party agreed to...

where do you see a problem?

The perfect Ponzi scheme where the government is paying off old debt by issuing new debt.

and you do not see the problem?

Originally Posted by Antonio

Yup, living in the US must be terrible, that's why there are millions of Americans moving to Russia every month

Dude, all Ponzi schemes collapse. The only question is when.
The Fed can't print money forever. Their days are numbered.

[Tootourist2014]

I think Putin should sign some paper to take back all the
Russian in this thread. mainly those who ran to the states.
go back there, so you wont have freedom of speech to
bitch so much not in English letters.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Tootourist2014

I think Putin should sign some paper to take back all the
Russian in this thread. mainly those who ran to the states.
go back there, so you wont have freedom of speech to
bitch so much not in English letters.

[TheSquealer]

Oops.

MOSCOW (Reuters) - A surge in capital outflows from Russia underscores how international tensions over Ukraine are adding to the woes of Russia's already struggling economy.

Russia's central bank has published balance of payments data that showed an estimated $63.7 billion in net capital outflow in the first three months of this year - as much as the $63 billion in outflows seen during the whole of 2013.

[Sid70]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

[woj]

Originally Posted by evy97

The perfect Ponzi scheme where the government is paying off old debt by issuing new debt.

and you do not see the problem?

Dude, all Ponzi schemes collapse. The only question is when.
The Fed can't print money forever. Their days are numbered.

As long as the economy continues to grow, there is no problem... sure we borrow more, but our "income" and so our ability to pay it back grows too...

...and investors seem to agree, that's why the whole world gladly lends us money at ~2%... while countries like Russia for example have to pay closer to 10% for the same privilege...

[just a punk]

The US mercenary in Ukrainian "Sokol" police Uniform caught in Kharkov:



Fake or not? Your opinions?

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

The US mercenary in Ukrainian "Sokol" police Uniform caught in Kharkov:



Fake or not? Your opinions?

No way to tell,and should be taken with reserve. There are so many faked things and scenarios that it is not important actually (for normal people that don't believe to medias easily). How I see it,only way that this can be relevant is that they show him on TV and prove his identity.

Even then, he is free person and he can do whatever he want regarding his personal beliefs(not related to US foreign policy).

We all know that secret services are doing all this mess. In a same way Maydan was organized by western services, Crimea overtake was done by Russians. Simple as that. Such big things can't be spontaneous and who believe in that probably have huge lack of life experience .

What bothers me more is that Ukrainians are sending some kind of army (what I saw are old transporters and very old tanks) to Donetsk. This can ignite war and Russian invasion. Current "government" (not elected but came by force and representing only one % of people) are bunch or naive and stupid guys. Their idiotic moves lead to Crimea being lost, and if they are listening same boss ( and they do), next will be loosing of more territories.

Savages, nazis and non educated bunch of people (it is crazy how Ukrainian parliament looks like and how primitive they act toward each other) simply can't lead good state policy, especially if they are between superpowers.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

The US mercenary in Ukrainian "Sokol" police Uniform caught in Kharkov:



Fake or not? Your opinions?

First obvious question is "why think its real"? Just because a guy said in bad English "i'm a US Citizen"? An obvious clue that it is not real is that they made no attempt to take his mask off, stand him up and force him to talk and identify himself. Post his face online and he'll be identified in minutes. So it seems there was an interest in not positively identifying him which of course, makes zero sense in that situation and given the "outrage" they are all pretending to express. Also... he speaks Russian/Ukrainian to get a job like that... but answered in English? How convenient.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Someone is trying to ignite things. Shit is going to start soon, smart people should get out as soon as possible...

The memorial to Holocaust victims has been vandalized in Odessa, southern Ukraine. The perpetrators drew Nazi symbols-swastika and wolf-hook. While protesters in Kiev are demanding the arrest of those who wear St. George?s ribbons, symbol of WWII heroes.

sigh.

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