Hey Exxon, BP, Kochs... what do you think of this?

[2MuchMark]

[onwebcam]

Probably thinking half of the panels are in the shade.

[djroof]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Probably thinking half of the panels are in the shade.

hahahahahha

[Markul]

Do not think they read GFY.

[ADEngage]

They don't care until solar cars be seen on the streets

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Probably thinking half of the panels are in the shade.

Solar energy can be stored. The idea being that unused collected energy during the day is stored for use at night. But besides that, Don't you think I look good though? Is that smile not saying anything?

Originally Posted by Markul

Do not think they read GFY.

They definitely do not.

Originally Posted by ADEngage

They don't care until solar cars be seen on the streets

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by **********

Solar energy can be stored. The idea being that unused collected energy during the day is stored for use at night. But besides that, Don't you think I look good though? Is that smile not saying anything?

I understand storing but if your means of collection is blocked from it's source it kinda defeats the purpose doesn't it?

[DBS.US]

http://sargosis.com/articles/science...a-solar-array/

[mineistaken]

I thought you were long haired blond dude.

[georgeyw]

How do you think all that shit is made it transported to that location?

The blokes that installed used what to build it and arrived at the job how?

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

I understand storing but if your means of collection is blocked from it's source it kinda defeats the purpose doesn't it?

No because the picture was taken at 7:30 at night, so the sun is setting on the horizon at that time. From about 9am to 4pm in the winter, and 9am to 8 pm in the summer is when it can get sunlight. It is stored in batteries, sold back to Hydro Quebec, used to power a home, etc. It won't replace Hydro Electric power especially since its already so cheap here, but is a good way to reduce reliance for energy from the grid.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

I thought you were long haired blond dude.

Nope... but I used to have a sweet sweet mullet.

Originally Posted by georgeyw

How do you think all that shit is made it transported to that location?

The blokes that installed used what to build it and arrived at the job how?

They used big heavy noisy gas and diesel powered machines to transport and dig and install them of course, but that isn't the point. You can't ever get rid of gas and oil I don't think because for big machines, gas and diesel is pretty much the only efficient way to give them the energy they need. Electricity wouldn't cut it I don't think, at least not yet.

What you don't need though, is gas and diesel to light and heat your home, or even in your car. That's where electricity comes in. You get electricity from all kinds of sources, but the best sources are renewable sources.

[MrBottomTooth]

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/report-...service=mobile

If it is setup anything like our solar systems here in Ontario then it isnt being stored. Thats the reason we've had to at times give power away to neighbouring provinces and states, or sell below cost to avoid overloading the grid.

Also responsible for us having the most expensive electricity in North America.

[dyna mo]

I'm guessing that's 4k watts worth of panels. What's the rest of the setup? What batteries? Inverter? Etc.

[dyna mo]

All energy from solar panels is stored. It may only be stored for a short while but it is stored.

[MrBottomTooth]

Our systems have batteries in them, but the power cant be stored and used only when needed. It is basically sent out onto the grid immediately whether it is needed or not. Same for our giant wind turbines. Once they figure out a reliable way of storing it long term then the systems will make more sense.

I certainly have nothing against solar power, i even have one on my property that makes me $2000 a year. But the current setup in ontario was not thought out well at all.

[baddog]

They must be lurkers; I don't recall seeing any of them post here.

[DukeSkywalker]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Probably thinking half of the panels are in the shade.

Read this one out loud to gf & she lost it.
Good one!
Ds

[Supz]

I dont think they come to this board

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

Our systems have batteries in them, but the power cant be stored and used only when needed. It is basically sent out onto the grid immediately whether it is needed or not. Same for our giant wind turbines. Once they figure out a reliable way of storing it long term then the systems will make more sense.

I certainly have nothing against solar power, i even have one on my property that makes me $2000 a year. But the current setup in ontario was not thought out well at all.

good point. well-thought out solar pv systems have storage. they're unreliable without it, completely at the mercy of direct sunlight.

[Tom_PM]

"We don't consider the sun to be a reliable source of energy."

- Old guys smoking cigars in well appointed clubhouses.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by Tom_PM

"We don't consider the sun to be a reliable source of energy."

- Old guys smoking cigars in well appointed clubhouses.

as reliable as the weather one might say...

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Tom_PM

"We don't consider the sun to be a reliable source of energy."

- Old guys smoking cigars in well appointed clubhouses.

the funny part is the old guys smoking cigars in well appointed clubhouses are right.

[Jel]

so what happens when all the solar panels suck out all the sun's energy? we'll be fucked, as there will be less sun, therefore less light, and we'll be using more and more solar energy to light up our houses/streets due to the sun not being able to keep up the sunlight, which leads obviously to drawing even MORE sun, until we kill it off by sucking up more and more sun to do what the sun did anyway, but obviously with some loss in conversion from direct sunlight to solar sun energy.

solar energy = huge fail.

[Tom_PM]

Reliable enough to power all life as we know it, but anything else? No. Not until the oil's gone. Legit.

[Jel]

thing is, the sun is already on it's way out - obviously it's burning away, so why speed up that process by sucking up even more of it? Far better for scientists to concentrate on something that really is never-ending, and transform that into energy. I suggest starting with chinese babies.

[dyna mo]

the sun goes away for 12 hours every 24 hours. the sun goes away when a cloud passes by, when it rains, when it's foggy, etc. et al, on&on.

that's not reliable.

Another way to look at it; solar energy systems are built to a certain level of power, wattage. that level is never sustained,ever, when it's directly used as energy. A very small cloud can mean thedifference between supplying the power the system is designed to supply or not. Try running a crucial system directly off solarpower and you will quickly see how unreliable solar power is in and of itself.

Thus the need for batteries. Solar charges the batteries, the batteries supply a reliable source of energy.

[Jel]

^ yeah, that too I guess

[crockett]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

the sun goes away for 12 hours every 24 hours. the sun goes away when a cloud passes by, when it rains, when it's foggy, etc. et al, on&on.

that's not reliable.

Another way to look at it; solar energy systems are built to a certain level of power, wattage. that level is never sustained,ever, when it's directly used as energy. A very small cloud can mean thedifference between supplying the power the system is designed to supply or not. Try running a crucial system directly off solarpower and you will quickly see how unreliable solar power is in and of itself.

Thus the need for batteries. Solar charges the batteries, the batteries supply a reliable source of energy.

Solar still produces electric even if you are in the shade. Clouds and rain don't stop it, only complete darkness. As far as storage, any system worth a shit, with a battery bank will be set up with enough grid and battery bank to last a couple days meaning even several overcast days will not leave you with no power.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by crockett

Solar still produces electric even if you are in the shade. Clouds and rain don't stop it, only complete darkness. As far as storage, any system worth a shit, with a battery bank will be set up with enough grid and battery bank to last a couple days meaning even several overcast days will not leave you with no power.

I understand that. My point was the amount of power produced drops significantly in those conditions, you know that.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

I understand that. My point was the amount of power produced drops significantly in those conditions, you know that.

Yes, but as long as the system is properly designed then you will get through the low power producing times. My solar doesn't always get back to 100% every day for example but I don't need to be at 100% to get through a night.

If I'm at 100% charge when the sun goes down, I usually wake up at anywhere from 93% to 85% in the morning depending on how much power I used over night. Like did I need to charge my laptop or if I watched a lot of TV, did my fridge run a lot, ect..ect..

When you figure that even in worse case situation I'm going to at least maintain the charge I woke up with in the daylight hours. Meaning at worst case I can maintain current battery levels during the day.

Due to this, with a properly built system, you can easily coast by for several days in low sun situations before you hit the 50% charge range that you don't really want to cross.

Meaning long as you are in a area that has a decent amount of sunshine, you can easily get through the bad times with a properly built system. Can you do it in the PNW? Not likely, but can you do it in the south west, mid west, south east or anywhere on the east coast? Sure, you just have to build a proper system that can generate enough wattage to keep your energy needs stored for a few days.

It's not however just the solar system, it's also the things you run off it, that you have to take into account,

[ErectMedia]

I'm all for solar, saving money etc... although I'd never dump a Camaro for a Volt as just something about a gas engine/horsepower.

My cousin was gonna do up a whole big ass mansion in solar for a guy as he's an electrician but after the calculations of the costs/reward it was determined the guy would have to live to be like 324 years old to see a return. Guessing prices are going down over time.

Originally Posted by mineistaken

I thought you were long haired blond dude.

Did you FAP to a long haired blonde dude?

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by ErectMedia

I'm all for solar, saving money etc... although I'd never dump a Camaro for a Volt as just something about a gas engine/horsepower.

I swear, I never thought I would do that either... when I decided to go electric, I wanted a Tesla because it was super fast / cool / sexy. I want a new house even more so I "settled" on the Volt, and we're now building our house, but so what - believe it or not, I absolutely love the Volt. It's faster than I expect, very comfortable, loaded with gizmos and gadgets, and fun. Sure it's not as cool, but meh - I make the car look cool instead of the car making me look cool Lol! ;)

Originally Posted by ErectMedia

My cousin was gonna do up a whole big ass mansion in solar for a guy as he's an electrician but after the calculations of the costs/reward it was determined the guy would have to live to be like 324 years old to see a return. Guessing prices are going down over time.

I can see that. Solar is awesome but making it power your entire life is just too expensive still. I think that the best anyone with home panels can hope for is to use solar to offset some energy costs... replacing your dependance on the grid isn't the best way to spend money at this time.

Originally Posted by ErectMedia

Did you FAP to a long haired blonde dude?

My GF just got very horny reading this. Freakin' pervs on GFY I swear to god....

cheers!

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

I'm guessing that's 4k watts worth of panels. What's the rest of the setup? What batteries? Inverter? Etc.

I guess ********** thinks the panels are the system.

Originally Posted by crockett

Yes, but as long as the system is properly designed then you will get through the low power producing times. My solar doesn't always get back to 100% every day for example but I don't need to be at 100% to get through a night.

If I'm at 100% charge when the sun goes down, I usually wake up at anywhere from 93% to 85% in the morning depending on how much power I used over night. Like did I need to charge my laptop or if I watched a lot of TV, did my fridge run a lot, ect..ect..

When you figure that even in worse case situation I'm going to at least maintain the charge I woke up with in the daylight hours. Meaning at worst case I can maintain current battery levels during the day.

Due to this, with a properly built system, you can easily coast by for several days in low sun situations before you hit the 50% charge range that you don't really want to cross.

Meaning long as you are in a area that has a decent amount of sunshine, you can easily get through the bad times with a properly built system. Can you do it in the PNW? Not likely, but can you do it in the south west, mid west, south east or anywhere on the east coast? Sure, you just have to build a proper system that can generate enough wattage to keep your energy needs stored for a few days.

It's not however just the solar system, it's also the things you run off it, that you have to take into account,

that's exactly what I've been saying. A properly designed system has storage, it doesn't send the electricity directly to the grid or to the devices drawing power off the system, it sends it to batteries.
thus the question I asked ********** re: the crucial components that are needed to manage the power gathered from that little solar panel he's posing in front of.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by ErectMedia

I'm all for solar, saving money etc... although I'd never dump a Camaro for a Volt as just something about a gas engine/horsepower.

My cousin was gonna do up a whole big ass mansion in solar for a guy as he's an electrician but after the calculations of the costs/reward it was determined the guy would have to live to be like 324 years old to see a return. Guessing prices are going down over time.



Did you FAP to a long haired blonde dude?

the cost of gathering solar energy has dropped dramatically, high quality 150 watt solar panels sell for ~$120 each now. The problem is the efficiency, they only achieve maybe 20%, so it takes a lot of panels and space.

What is expensive is the battery bank required to store the energy. For instance one 200 amp hour deep cycle agm battery costs $700. that size battery will run a 1500 watt microwave for 30 minutes before it's fully drained.

I.e., it takes a shit ton of batteries to store the daily energy requirements for a home.

[PAR]

Nano flow cell / Flow Cell Energy Storage will reduce the cost....

http://www.gizmag.com/900-hp-superca...battery/31091/

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by PAR

Nano flow cell / Flow Cell Energy Storage will reduce the cost....

http://www.gizmag.com/900-hp-superca...battery/31091/

impressive tech. I hope it pans out! fantastic car too, I can see the koenisegg influences.

[MK Ultra]

I'm thinking...





But seriously Prince, I want to commend for your tireless efforts, for all the hard work and money you put in to making sure my oil lasts longer, thanks

[ErectMedia]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

the cost of gathering solar energy has dropped dramatically, high quality 150 watt solar panels sell for ~$120 each now. The problem is the efficiency, they only achieve maybe 20%, so it takes a lot of panels and space.

What is expensive is the battery bank required to store the energy. For instance one 200 amp hour deep cycle agm battery costs $700. that size battery will run a 1500 watt microwave for 30 minutes before it's fully drained.

I.e., it takes a shit ton of batteries to store the daily energy requirements for a home.

yeah this was a few years ago he quoted the guy a price so maybe today he would only need to live to be 162 years old instead of 324 to make it worth the complete conversion.

[Mickey_]

Just got an email reply from one of the Koch brothers

Thanks for the pic. He looks a bit like Robert Szikora, the Hungarian singer, without the safari hat and the "SEXY ARMY" coat badge.



Best,
Charles

Sent from my iPhone

(yes, apparently Charles Koch uses an iPhone)

[seeandsee]

solar energy saved this planet, not now but in the future

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by MK Ultra

I'm thinking...





But seriously Prince, I want to commend for your tireless efforts, for all the hard work and money you put in to making sure my oil lasts longer, thanks

I do it, because dammit man, I love you guys so very much!