How to legally obtain Names of IP addresses - GoFuckYourself.com

bean-aid · 03-21-2014, 04:58 PM

What methods currently exist to obtain the information of the owner of an IP on a certain date? Does it require a court order or is there something more simple? And obviously which country may have different laws... just trying to see what options currently exist.

Colmike9 · 03-21-2014, 05:00 PM

Phish some ISP tech support and hope you get a new guy..(It's easy to search that info for them)

Edit: Oh, legally...

HomerSimpson · 03-21-2014, 05:11 PM

buy the lists from domaintools.com ?

bean-aid · 03-21-2014, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerSimpson

buy the lists from domaintools.com ?

I know the ISP... how to find the First/Last name of user of that IP on certain date?

Domaintools has that information?

pornmasta · 03-21-2014, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by beaner

I know the ISP... how to find the First/Last name of user of that IP on certain date?

Domaintools has that information?

impossible for here

WDF · 03-21-2014, 05:55 PM

Contact a lawyer and have him subpoena the assignment logs for the date and time of the event.

That's how you do it legally.

You realize this will only get you the subscribers info and they will dispute it was them connected.

bean-aid · 03-21-2014, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by WDF

Contact a lawyer and have him subpoena the assignment logs for the date and time of the event.

That's how you do it legally.

You realize this will only get you the subscribers info and they will dispute it was them connected.

Likely the subscriber info would match credit card receipt. Im not talking about illegaly downloading people, i am talking about those who illegaly chargeback to not pay for something they bought.

And i think as a merchant, we have a lot more pull then we think.

Colmike9 · 03-21-2014, 06:03 PM

Whoever allows the chargeback should be trained to be less lenient.. Why is it the subscriber's fault?

bean-aid · 03-21-2014, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7

Whoever allows the chargeback should be trained to be less lenient.. Why is it the subscriber's fault?

?? The subscriber is who charged back.

2-4 trial join initiated by subscriber
2-7 rebill
2-16 monthly join initiated by subscriber *again*

All of it charged back. Why should the merchant *me* pay all the fees associated with this guy either 1) fucked up and has no clue he joined the site twice as well as joined a trial to subscription or 2) knows he joined and uses chargeback tools to not pay.

Either way, it's fraud. Knowing full well it is fraud or just being dumb fraud... still fraud.

In general, credit card holders are abusing their rights by claiming fraud knowing full well nothing will happen.

I had a $990 chargeback on my mainstream site a couple months back. The guy actually lives in my state and I am going to file a small claims suit against him.

I think globally, some ISP's, local authorities, etc. could be brought into the mix and used to merchant advantages. Just asking the questions though... i'm fairly certain most just write chargebacks off as cost of doing business.

klinton · 03-21-2014, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by beaner

I know the ISP... how to find the First/Last name of user of that IP on certain date?

Domaintools has that information?

not that possible for things like this

JuicyBunny · 03-21-2014, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by beaner

?? The subscriber is who charged back.

2-4 trial join initiated by subscriber
2-7 rebill
2-16 monthly join initiated by subscriber *again*

All of it charged back. Why should the merchant *me* pay all the fees associated with this guy either 1) fucked up and has no clue he joined the site twice as well as joined a trial to subscription or 2) knows he joined and uses chargeback tools to not pay.

Either way, it's fraud. Knowing full well it is fraud or just being dumb fraud... still fraud.

In general, credit card holders are abusing their rights by claiming fraud knowing full well nothing will happen.

I had a $990 chargeback on my mainstream site a couple months back. The guy actually lives in my state and I am going to file a small claims suit against him.

I think globally, some ISP's, local authorities, etc. could be brought into the mix and used to merchant advantages. Just asking the questions though... i'm fairly certain most just write chargebacks off as cost of doing business.

Put him in collections, ban his card. Advise his credit card company as well he is banned for fraud. Not for some expected action on their part just give them notice. And be relentless in collections if it is your product he e-frauded you for. He gets enough of those, he'll wake up perhaps.

Paully · 03-21-2014, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beaner

?? The subscriber is who charged back.

2-4 trial join initiated by subscriber
2-7 rebill
2-16 monthly join initiated by subscriber *again*

All of it charged back. Why should the merchant *me* pay all the fees associated with this guy either 1) fucked up and has no clue he joined the site twice as well as joined a trial to subscription or 2) knows he joined and uses chargeback tools to not pay.

Either way, it's fraud. Knowing full well it is fraud or just being dumb fraud... still fraud.

In general, credit card holders are abusing their rights by claiming fraud knowing full well nothing will happen.

I had a $990 chargeback on my mainstream site a couple months back. The guy actually lives in my state and I am going to file a small claims suit against him.

I think globally, some ISP's, local authorities, etc. could be brought into the mix and used to merchant advantages. Just asking the questions though... i'm fairly certain most just write chargebacks off as cost of doing business.

You're a fucking billing genius.

What are you gonna say to Judge Judy when the subscriber says. *My* *minor* *child* *used* *my* *card* *without* *my* *permission* *?*

Diomed · 03-21-2014, 06:49 PM

So fucking billed mang

Paully · 03-21-2014, 06:58 PM

"I'm so fed up I feel like kicking myself in the cunt. Next step for beaner is creating my own gateway and working direct with gfy to find out what the fuck to do next. Then I'm gonna sit back while beaner tells everyone how fucking stupid they are for using billing companies that have figured his current problems out years ago. Fucking adult needs something big time... all of you are getting screwed left and right and have no idea which homeless parolee Swirlygirl is being knocked up by right now."

ChargeBacks · 03-21-2014, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beaner

Likely the subscriber info would match credit card receipt. Im not talking about illegaly downloading people, i am talking about those who illegaly chargeback to not pay for something they bought.

And i think as a merchant, we have a lot more pull then we think.

You do.

It is not an easy task, but you can line up information that sways the banks decision in your favor, and on the occasion it fails, you have the documentation to pursue the consumer post chargeback.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colmike7

Whoever allows the chargeback should be trained to be less lenient.. Why is it the subscriber's fault?

Banks allow this. The banks rule in favor of the consumer more than 70% of the time, even when the consumer has failed to demonstrate that they are indeed the victims.

Quote:

Originally Posted by beaner

?? The subscriber is who charged back.

2-4 trial join initiated by subscriber
2-7 rebill
2-16 monthly join initiated by subscriber *again*

All of it charged back. Why should the merchant *me* pay all the fees associated with this guy either 1) fucked up and has no clue he joined the site twice as well as joined a trial to subscription or 2) knows he joined and uses chargeback tools to not pay.

Either way, it's fraud. Knowing full well it is fraud or just being dumb fraud... still fraud.

In general, credit card holders are abusing their rights by claiming fraud knowing full well nothing will happen.

I had a $990 chargeback on my mainstream site a couple months back. The guy actually lives in my state and I am going to file a small claims suit against him.

I think globally, some ISP's, local authorities, etc. could be brought into the mix and used to merchant advantages. Just asking the questions though... i'm fairly certain most just write chargebacks off as cost of doing business.

Markul · 03-22-2014, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paully

"I'm so fed up I feel like kicking myself in the cunt. Next step for beaner is creating my own gateway and working direct with gfy to find out what the fuck to do next. Then I'm gonna sit back while beaner tells everyone how fucking stupid they are for using billing companies that have figured his current problems out years ago. Fucking adult needs something big time... all of you are getting screwed left and right and have no idea which homeless parolee Swirlygirl is being knocked up by right now."

That made me lol

Paully · 03-22-2014, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Markul

That made me lol

I was starting to think my hard work went wasted. Thanks Markul

p.s. it was still wasted

Roald · 03-22-2014, 02:27 AM

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Paully · 03-22-2014, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald

There are many companies around here who can help you fighting CBs

Lots of them

. Then you can find someone to help you with billing

.

seeandsee · 03-22-2014, 03:02 AM

immposible in my country, it's protected by law, only by curt order

Markul · 03-22-2014, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by seeandsee

immposible in my country, it's protected by law, only by curt order

Same here. Should be too with all the nutters out there.

Barry-xlovecam · 03-22-2014, 06:25 AM

That is called "friendly fraud" if its the case of unauthorized credit card use orbuyer's remorse.

You said it was mainstream. If there were physical goods shipped and received then you have real fraud. If it was a subscription or digitally transmitted goods you are probably shit-out-of-luck.

If you use 3ds (verified by VISA or Mastercard secure) you can transfer the liability for chargebacks to the credit card associations but you will wash out or lose a lot of otherwise legitimate sales.

Because the card issuer is the final arbitrator the process is biased in the card holder's favor and you will eat the loss in most cases.

In all fairness, friendly fraud should not be reflected in your chargeback ratio -- but it is.

http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/70630.html

You are not the only one with the problem.
This most commonly occurs with the banks in the USA.

bean-aid · 03-22-2014, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

That is called "friendly fraud" if its the case of unauthorized credit card use orbuyer's remorse.

You said it was mainstream. If there were physical goods shipped and received then you have real fraud. If it was a subscription or digitally transmitted goods you are probably shit-out-of-luck.

If you use 3ds (verified by VISA or Mastercard secure) you can transfer the liability for chargebacks to the credit card associations but you will wash out or lose a lot of otherwise legitimate sales.

Because the card issuer is the final arbitrator the process is biased in the card holder's favor and you will eat the loss in most cases.

In all fairness, friendly fraud should not be reflected in your chargeback ratio -- but it is.

http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/70630.html

You are not the only one with the problem.
This most commonly occurs with the banks in the USA.

Spain mastercard. And these 3 are adult. But I have 2 CVV2 matches because the dumb fuck purchased twice in 1 month, with the same IP. The third was rebill after trial so no CVV2 match on that one.

This would fall under friendly fraud. I get chargebacks with everything... just happens. Just in cases like these with iron clad support to suggest the person charging back in fact did make the purchases. If ISP would fork over the customer information for that IP in alleged fraud cases... would go a long way.

I have never been concerned with the amount of chargebacks on any of my MID's... just would like to win all chargeback cases.

If someone claims fraud, closes their account, and VISA and Mastercard steal the money from the merchant... I think a little due diligence on the *BANKS* side should be done. Unfortunately, the credit card holder is assumed in the right.

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