News California enacts ban on Confederate flag

[brassmonkey]

California Gov. Jerry Brown signed legislation on Thursday prohibiting state agencies from selling or displaying items bearing the Confederate flag.

State Assemblyman Isadore Hall, D-Compton, introduced the bill, AB 2444, after his mother saw replica Confederate money sold at the Capitol gift shop in Sacramento. The money featured a picture of the flag.

Hall, who is black, said the state should not promote a symbol of racism that is meant to intimidate. Many African-Americans see the flag as a symbol of racism, as it was raised by Confederate states that supported slavery during the American Civil War.

The bill passed the California State Assembly on Aug. 21 by a vote of 66-1. Hall said the bipartisan victory symbolized that lawmakers were "standing together united to fend off the ugly hatred of racism that's been portrayed and demonstrated through the emblem of the Confederacy."

Tim Donnelly, a Republican from Twin Peaks, was the only Assembly member to vote against the bill, arguing that it infringed on the Constitutional right to free speech.

"I'm a strict Constitutionalist," The Los Angeles times quoted Donnelly as saying after the vote. "It's painful and lonely.?

However, other lawmakers argued that the legislation does not violate free-speech rights because it only applies to formal actions of government officials and agencies. Moreover, the law allows for the flag to be used for historical or educational purposes and does not apply to people on state property.

While many anti-racism advocates hailed the new law a success, some said legislators should make better use of their time by addressing more pressing race issues ? such as racism in local police forces.

These critics pointed to recent cases of police brutality, including the Aug. 9 shooting of unarmed black teen Michael Brown by a white police officer in Ferguson, Missouri ? which became a flashpoint for racial tensions in the U.S.

Political commentator John McWhorter described California's new law as a futile endeavor that will fail to make "a real difference in black lives."

"A serious approach to racism in this country will be about black men and the police. It is that nexus that teaches black America that there is something called a 'war on black men' which is what most readily comes to black people?s minds as the racism that America is 'all about,'" McWhorter wrote in the Daily Beast.

McWhorter added, "Given how urgent things such as the War on Drugs, and its effect on black men and the cops are, might we not simply walk on by the damned flag?"



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[baddog]

Fucking dicks all over this fucking country

[Rochard]

Yeah, they lost. Why would anyone fly that flag?

And why does California give a shit about it? It would seem to me there are more pressing things to be concerned about.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Rochard

And why does California give a shit about it? It would seem to me there are more pressing things to be concerned about.

AFAIK California has never been a part of dixie, so I don't even understand why they are bothered. On the other hand, I saw a huge confederate flag right near the interstate somewhere in Florida or Mississippi (don't remember the exact place). So looks like those guys have no problems with it.

[baddog]

I have never seen items bearing the Confederate flag at state agencies for sale anyway. A waste of time.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

AFAIK California has never been a part of dixie, so I don't even understand why they are bothered. On the other hand, I saw a huge confederate flag right near the interstate somewhere in Florida or Mississippi (don't remember the exact place). So looks like those guys have no problems with it.

Part of California was aligned with the Confederate states. Probably the southern part. lol.


Rather than idiotic, meaningless laws like this one why doesn't California stop giving welfare to illegal immigrants?

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by baddog

I have never seen items bearing the Confederate flag at state agencies for sale anyway. A waste of time.

There must be some bullshit political motive for ol Jerry.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

There must be some bullshit political motive for ol Jerry.

Guess the
.. . .

State Assemblyman Isadore Hall, D-Compton, introduced the bill, AB 2444, after his mother saw replica Confederate money sold at the Capitol gift shop in Sacramento. The money featured a picture of the flag.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by baddog

Guess the
.. . .

Isn't Izzy under investigation? I remember something about an illegal church/corrupt minister or something...

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Isn't Izzy under investigation? I remember something about an illegal church/corrupt minister or something...

hmmmm . . .

[Oracle Porn]

redneck flag, i see no point in hiding it as I would like to know the nature of the person I'm dealing with and this flag puts its right there for you.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Oracle Porn

redneck flag, i see no point in hiding it as I would like to know the nature of the person I'm dealing with and this flag puts its right there for you.

Pay attention; it was replica Confederate money

[MrBottomTooth]

Originally Posted by Oracle Porn

redneck flag, i see no point in hiding it as I would like to know the nature of the person I'm dealing with and this flag puts its right there for you.

Doesn't ban it in public anyway, only at state agencies, so its basically a non issue.

Id still love a Charger done up like in the Dukes of Hazzard.

[SomeCreep]

The confederate flag represents a Confederacy which stood for racism, prejudice, and slavery. I can't imagine why someone would fly a flag like that, unless they were either full of hate or just plain too ignorant to understand what the flag represents.

[bagfull]

they need to ban the mexican flag over here in California, you cant wave the usa flag over there. People got Mexican flag all over there house and on there car.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

California Gov. Jerry Brown signed legislation on Thursday prohibiting state agencies from selling or displaying items bearing the Confederate flag.

State Assemblyman Isadore Hall, D-Compton, introduced the bill, AB 2444, after his mother saw replica Confederate money sold at the Capitol gift shop in Sacramento. The money featured a picture of the flag.

Hall, who is black, said the state should not promote a symbol of racism that is meant to intimidate. Many African-Americans see the flag as a symbol of racism, as it was raised by Confederate states that supported slavery during the American Civil War.

The bill passed the California State Assembly on Aug. 21 by a vote of 66-1. Hall said the bipartisan victory symbolized that lawmakers were "standing together united to fend off the ugly hatred of racism that's been portrayed and demonstrated through the emblem of the Confederacy."

Tim Donnelly, a Republican from Twin Peaks, was the only Assembly member to vote against the bill, arguing that it infringed on the Constitutional right to free speech.

"I'm a strict Constitutionalist," The Los Angeles times quoted Donnelly as saying after the vote. "It's painful and lonely.”

However, other lawmakers argued that the legislation does not violate free-speech rights because it only applies to formal actions of government officials and agencies. Moreover, the law allows for the flag to be used for historical or educational purposes and does not apply to people on state property.

While many anti-racism advocates hailed the new law a success, some said legislators should make better use of their time by addressing more pressing race issues — such as racism in local police forces.

These critics pointed to recent cases of police brutality, including the Aug. 9 shooting of unarmed black teen Michael Brown by a white police officer in Ferguson, Missouri — which became a flashpoint for racial tensions in the U.S.

Political commentator John McWhorter described California's new law as a futile endeavor that will fail to make "a real difference in black lives."

"A serious approach to racism in this country will be about black men and the police. It is that nexus that teaches black America that there is something called a 'war on black men' which is what most readily comes to black people’s minds as the racism that America is 'all about,'" McWhorter wrote in the Daily Beast.

McWhorter added, "Given how urgent things such as the War on Drugs, and its effect on black men and the cops are, might we not simply walk on by the damned flag?"



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wow he's as fucked up as obonzo.... worrying about a flag from over 100 years ago while the state goes down the toilet

[suesheboy]

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

The confederate flag represents a Confederacy which stood for racism, prejudice, and slavery. I can't imagine why someone would fly a flag like that, unless they were either full of hate or just plain too ignorant to understand what the flag represents.

I see dozens a day around here. Funny part is this part of Tennessee during the war FOUGHT to Confederates!

When I ask about the flag, locals tell me it is about tradition. When I explain to them about the history, they tell me it can't be true. I have sent some locals to the cemeteries where it says "killed by a rebel" and "fought the rebels" on the headstones. Bet most never went.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

The confederate flag represents a Confederacy which stood for racism, prejudice, and slavery. I can't imagine why someone would fly a flag like that, unless they were either full of hate or just plain too ignorant to understand what the flag represents.

revisionist history homeboy

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

revisionist history homeboy

No it isn't.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by bronco67

No it isn't.

the south was no more racist than the north. for the south it was a matter of invasion by a foreign country...very few southerners had slaves, or even cared about slavery as most southerners were struggling just to stay feed as share croppers. just keep on believing everything brassmonkey tells you and everything you learned in 3rd grade

[MaDalton]

just out of curiosity: is the Nazi flag legal?

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Yeah, they lost. Why would anyone fly that flag?

Because they do not betray their side even when they lose? Like they have some integrity and not becoming "bandwaggon fans" (like sports fans who dump their team when they start losing).

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Rather than idiotic, meaningless laws like this one why doesn't California stop giving welfare to illegal immigrants?

How dare you, those poor immigrants.... You must give them money.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

the south was no more racist than the north. for the south it was a matter of invasion by a foreign country...very few southerners had slaves, or even cared about slavery as most southerners were struggling just to stay feed as share croppers. just keep on believing everything brassmonkey tells you and everything you learned in 3rd grade

Don't bother with narrow minded liberal scum types, they will ignore all the biggest reasons and inflate the one they are the most interested to taunt for their agenda.

[pornlaw]

California actually had the most Jim Crow laws on the books than any other state - including Mississippi - from the period after the Civil War right up until the 1960s.

Hard to believe that California was the most racist state in the Union but it was. For some still alive that history still resonates with them.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

just out of curiosity: is the Nazi flag legal?

beats me, the only guy I know of interested in nazis is lemmy

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Don't bother with narrow minded liberal scum types, they will ignore all the biggest reasons and inflate the one they are the most interested to taunt for their agenda.

yeah no need to be hostile though

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Don't bother with narrow minded liberal scum types, they will ignore all the biggest reasons and inflate the one they are the most interested to taunt for their agenda.

You guys just keep lying to yourselves. You probably also think racism is some lie by liberals.

A conservative rebuttal about someone else being narrow minded is the funniest shit I've heard today.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by bronco67

You guys just keep lying to yourselves. You probably also think racism is some lie by liberals.

A conservative rebuttal about someone else being narrow minded is the funniest shit I've heard today.

[Best-In-BC]

Ban it, anyone but the idiots flaunting it will say its a symbol of hate.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

Ban it, anyone but the idiots flaunting it will say its a symbol of hate.

anything that upsets black people is a symbol of hate

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

anything that upsets black people is a symbol of hate

you think its only blacks? whites killed their asses good

[MiamiBoyz]

[CDSmith]

Funny no one complained through six seasons of Dukes of Hazzard.

[420]

They'll be flying this flag soon.

[bushwacker]

Redneck flags for the win!

[mikesouth]

I am truly astounded by the total ignorance displayed in this thread.

but i prolly shouldnt be

[sarettah]

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[10 Inch Dick]

Jigaboos

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

just out of curiosity: is the Nazi flag legal?

Even KKK is legal in some states (in 21st century ) I believe the one might get his face beaten for waving swastika, but it's not illegal (de jure) in California AFAIK

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Even KKK is legal in some states (in 21st century ) I believe the one might get his face beaten for waving swastika, but it's not illegal (de jure) in California AFAIK

skinheads march mill road in tempe,Az usa
it's called the white mans march

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2014/0...s-of-derision/