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09-25-2014, 11:00 AM | #1 | |
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Vaccinations: An Epidemic of Misinformation
This is a perfect example showing that "Misinformation" can kill!
I read this today and have know about this for a while. Kids getting "Measles" today and having a 6 year old daughter in 2nd grade and a 4 year old son in pre-school, will keep you up to date on things like this. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-s...hp_ref=science Quote:
If you have kids or have a strong opinion on either side, I would love to hear what you have to say. Please chime in. Just Dave
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the chinese are currently trying to figure out why they are having measles outbreaks, when almost 97% of the population complies with vaccination
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ps where you get 97% from? that sounds like horse shit..
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http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/...tatistics.html they were hoping to eradicate by 2015.. alas
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Dave if you have small children then you know that WAY WAY WAY more kids are fucked up in some way than when you were a child. I am not saying it is only the toxins added to vaccines but believe it is the totality of all the toxins in the environment. Kids breathe horrible air, breathe in flame retardants from their mattresses when they sleep, drink out of plastic cups and play with plastic toys while running around on artificial floors with their bare feet. They eat food which is increasingly contaminated with pesticides. And they are exposed to more and more shit like WiFi and cell phone radiation (their sculls are thinner so they are more susceptible). On top of that they get outside less and spend more time in front of computer screens and TVs than we did. I am not anti vaccine but think there is some connection to all these ailments kids are suffering. It is not the the VACCINE but the toxins in the vaccines. I don't see why people don't demand that vaccines are made safer in addition to spacing them out over a longer period. Why does the argument have to be 100% for vaccine or 100% anti vaccine?
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perhaps that was when they were also reporting measles eradicated ~4 years ago, maybe the mass migration that is behind the recent outbreak started after that was reported. Or pehaps the chinese are full of shit about all those stats!! as per.
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i doubt we could all ever pollute as much as we (USA and Russia, etc) did during all the nuke testing (and other *tests*) of the 50s/60s. holy shit.
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i am curious what sort of addons the chinese have had to their vaccines.. so the HPV vaccine etc
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I would guess then that the vaccine isn't/wasn't required in the rural areas or many of them. But the stats show that up until 2010 and this outbreak, they had effectively stopped measles wherever they were measuring # of cases.
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and there was migrations happening before that.. riots etc have been going on for a decade
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I have zero issues with vaccines. I have friends that are Doctors, a bother in-Law that is a doctor and they all have kids. My kids pediatrician is a woman with kids a little bit older than my kids; My number one question is: Did you use these vaccines on your kids? Would you use them on your nieces and nephews? They all answered yes. For me to think that I know more than them would be arrogant and foolish of me. Keep in mind these decisions have serious consequences if I choose wrong. For me to be "RIGHT" when I don't have a PHD or MD in that particular field of study doesn't just make me wrong, it can penalize my kids health for life. This is the perfect situation where I consulted people who really do know and are considered experts in this field and went with what they though over my limited education that I learned from friends, GFY, internet, etc. My cousin who I'm very close with has a son who has something(Autism) that she blames getting all his vaccines to close together versus not spacing them apart. She blames herself daily for her sons condition and the bad results from what she thinks were her poor desicions. Its pretty sad. Also keep in mind: Writing what you think or writing your opinion as "IF" you know about something, on a posting board is pretty easy. If People disagree and attack you, you tell them "Fuck Off" and mute them. Simple and easy. But; Will you actually risk your child's health, life, wellbeing on you statements that you made on the posting board? Thats the super Key question!! If you have no kids and say' "well if I had kids...", that shit doesn't count and people with kids understand and will back me up on that one. One thing I did do was get the vaccines spaced where they usually do them together, because at that time I did not know one way or the other and I wanted to be safe with it. But to not get my kids vaccinated was never and option for me. Great stuff! would love to hear any and all well thought out opinions on either side of the subject. Quote:
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anyways, i think back about how so many of my friends grew up in homes where both parents smoked, smoked in the car, drank pop every day, ate like shit, etc are there really more fucked up kids? there seemed to be a number of them when i was a kid but they weren't considered fucked up, just weird or stupid or different. now we have to label every kid as something. if your kid has some strange quirk, holy shit he must be autistic. i will agree that vaccines seem out of control in the US as they have added so many more over the years but its not like that here in canada yet we have so many kids who are 'autistic' or have allergies (which i believe this is a result of over-worried parents not exposing their kids and the fact that people with allergies often marry other people with allergies), etc, etc.
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I don't get fu shots every year because I'm lazy and generally don't get sick. But I absolutely "don't" believe you can get the fu from a flu vaccine. Quote:
You mentioned leave? Military girl? On a boat with someone else that may have been sick possibly? Maybe she slept with a guy days before who had the flu? My point is that people can say anything about anything with Zero qualifications on that subject other than an opinion that can be stated as a fact or perceived as a fact by the person listening to it. I believed the same way as you did, when I was a teenager. That was before I went to college, before I took, Science, Physiology1 and 2, anatomy 1, physical science and a few other classes where we were I learned and was tested about everything viruses and vaccines. Even with knowing all of that, it still feels strange to get a dead virus injected in me and get told that this is a vaccine. But I do trust in science and medical technology. As I said earlier, my post was not to insult or troll. Just a difference of opinion with a few facts behind it. Quote:
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You expect me to read that?
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HAHAHAHAHA!!! That very well just explained to me and GFY why you post the things that you post. lol
Common my friend! You know you need to read things to take in information right? You know that taking in information and understading it is a prerequisite to giving an opinion about that information right? Your smart dude! I know that. Sat with you had drinks with you. And I like you. Just Dave
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Speaking of kids being more fucked up today than yesteryear...what's with all the peanut allergies?
Hell, when I grew up nearly every kid had PBJ sandwiches in his brownbag lunch. It was a staple all through school. In all my years of school I can't ever recall a single kid having a 'peanut allergy'. Today - it seems rampant. Anything containing even a trace of peanuts seems to be banned from so many schools. (shrug) |
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!! I know! Right??? I truly don't know. But I found this: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/0...rmine-a-cause/ Just Dave
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What an absurd statement. Actually my kid was born pre mature at only 4.5 pounds and the doctor wanted to immediately inject a Hep B vaccine. We declined because the baby did not even have lungs fully developed yet and hand to be put on a respirator and inside an incubator for several weeks. "That guy" *as you refer to me) made most of the health and nutrition decisions and now that tiny helpless underdeveloped baby is ahead of other classmates and hardly ever gets sick. As you many know most pre mature babies have lifelong problems and are behind other kids their same age.
Oh wait, the one time the kid was vaccinated there was a horrible reaction which required hospitalization and it took a few months for everything to get back to normal. So yes my kid has been really sick one time. 1. Mom breast fed for 1.5 years and after that everything has been whole organic foods. We never used store bought baby food. We bought a BabyCook and made our own fresh baby food. Absolutely no soda ever. No reason to drink that garbage and it tastes like shit anyway. 2. no vaccinations after the first scare and never has taken any anti biotics 3. pure air, I still run air purifiers 4. use of glass instead of plastic for drinks 5. natural fibers for cribs and mattresses so no cancer causing flame retardants to breathe in. 6 no cheap ass furniture made by slave-ish labor in Asia which off gasses. Everything is wood or metal. 7. Very limited time in the car because when you are on the road you breathe in a shitload of toxic air. Also we have property outside the city at the foothills of a large mountain and live way off any highway or busy road so the air is crystal clar 8. No WiFi in the house and extremely limited cell phone use for the kid. Breaker is turned off at night so no electric fields to disturb sleep. I have no idea if this matters but I saw a video from a PHD at Colombia who feels very strong about doing this. Number 9 is going to get some of you nutjobs who think poisoning your kids is a good thing.......so get ready to wet your panties......NO FLUORIDE. Well some I guess from water and food cooked in with fluoridated water when we are out and about but at home the water is from a well so no bathing in that toxic shit and no drinking it. My kid's teeth are rotted right? Nope sorry again. Pearly white. I do all of this yet the shit stain parents who feed their kids McDonald's, live next to a freeway, and let their kids play video games all day and let them press cell phones up to their ears for hours on end think I am a child abuser for not vaccinating even though vaccine companies admit that some kids should not have vaccines such as kids who have had bad reactions. The way I see it not getting vaccines is kind of like reaching to the back of the cooler at the supermarket to get the freshest milk. It may not be socially responsible but fuck it I don't care I want the freshest milk and I don't want my kid having another bad reaction "for the greater good". If you vaccinate your kid and you believe vaccines work then being around my kid should be zero risk for your kid. But of course that is not how many parents feel. |
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Thank you for sharing. Much respect for what you wrote. Where do you live? Sounds like a pretty good area. Your the person who's opinion I like to hear. We may disagree on a few things, but I really like and respect what you wrote and the reasons you stated for the choices you made. I do know that having a child will force you to research your choices carefully. And your statement about; if everyone is getting their kids vaccinated, the you shouldn't have to worry about getting yours vaccinated. Is a very valid point. But what happens when your child is an adult and doesn't have the immunities built up for vaccine-able childhood diseases like mumps, measles, chicken pox, etc? I agree with you on why your doing things that you are doing, but when I get stories like this.... Next post... It makes me really think...
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Wow that woman had a really unlucky streak. As far as I know nobody I have ever known has had measles, rubella, or any of those other diseases except for chicken pox. I have never known anyone who had a kid who had whooping cough either. Is it possible she really had all those things? Of course it is possible but she is about the most unlucky person on planet earth.
Listen vaccines are a gamble. If her story is true then she lost big time. Again I am not anti vaccine but I am for my own kid because of the horrible reaction. High fever for days and a kid who was not fully conscious for a few months. Just basically a general spaced out look. Not fun. |
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as for all the other things you do for your kid, it all sounds great but is difficult to do in real life. i am with you on the food, while we don't go all organic we use it where we can but are also are aware that the natural pesticides they organics use can often be as or more toxic than the typical ones. we've never fed our child baby food, we make our own for him and yeah no soda, and stuff like that. of course we won't be able to keep him from it forever but hope to teach him good eating habits. glass cups? really? i hate using plastic but i couldn't imagine the amount of broken glass i'd be cleaning up if i used glass. not to mention i've never seen a glass sippy cup. do you also allow no plastic toys? i don't know how you managed to buy a crib mattress without flame retardant. its against the law to produce them without it. we got one of those soybean mattresses but the outside still has flame retardants unfortunately. i live in the burbs and while we live in a quiet road, we're still sandwiched inbetween other people. the wifi thing, well i don't know what to think about that. regardless there are radio and other waves in the air. either way, it must be a pain in the ass to be wired all the time. cellphones are worse than wifi though. i gotta say man, either you go the furthest extreme or this is all made up..turn off the breaker at night? uhhh now you are getting silly. i guess your food goes bad nightly. as for fluoride, i keep it as low as possible. and while you think you are safe using a well, your well could have very high levels of fluoride. naturally occurring, which is better but still. unless you have some great filter on it (which im sure you do judging by everything else you say you do) you could have some microbes/bacteria that might not effect you but could effect the kid. i don't give my kid city water, we don't even drink it. i try and make sure we only use water with .02 ppm of fluoride at most. though this means drinking bottled water, which is a downside. in the end while you can keep your kid in a bubble while he/she is very young if you try an do this for the rest of their life they will either grow up to be a freak or hate you. you gotta let kids live, this world is poison, no doubt about it but we only get one life and what is the point of spending it in a constant state of worry and fear? teach your kid to enjoy life, not just to fear it.
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VikingMan, Do you home school your kids? Here you can not put then in public (and most private) schools unless they are up to date on their vaccinations.
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like I said some time ago, my friends child is 3 or 4 years old. he was healthy and normal kid until his parents gave him some "vaccinations mix" - like 2-3 or something like that alltogether in one time and dose. Believe it or not, but after few weeks of it this kid developed autism...So I dont need any more proofs and research on this matter.
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No way could I handle teaching my kid, that would drive me nuts so we picked a private school. There are exemptions for medical reasons and I have a cool doctor who understands since there was a bad reaction. I got an exemption form. If there is ever an outbreak of anything I have to keep my kid at home for a few weeks but then I would just hire an amazing tutor who is already a part of my child's life.
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Black Crayon........You can buy wool on ebay and make your own mattress. And yes we do allow plastic toys. Never had broken glass as far as I know because we buy the containers with protectors on the outside. And no my kid is not living in a bubble at all, quite the contrary. Every day my kid is at school, has several amazing friends and is budding equestrian. As far as the breakers and our referigeration...we have more than one building. Gotta keep the salmon and tuna and deer and elk frozen. No I don't hunt but I fish and everyone gives me meat which is the benefit of living in a bubble. Thank you for your concern.
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And I know it is a total bullshit sounding story but.....wait..are you ready??? WE DO NOT HAVE ANY AIR CONDITIONING AT ALL. GASP!!!!!!!!!!! Child abuse right? And guess what.. Most of my neighbors don't either. GASP!!!!!! Also my best friend heats their house with a wood burning stove. GASP!!!!!! Oh the humanity. I have AC in my truck but hardly ever use it. Also another bullshit story. The lesbian accross the road carries a gun on her hip and a pack of coyotes lives on her property I hear them every night and Duke the hound dog is terrified of them. GASP!!! The world is falling apart. |
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Here is a story you will not believe. I had dinner with a gorgeous educated and classy black woman last night. She is absolutely beautiful and my kid is friends with her kid. She is married to a white dude. Again thank you for your concern. This is going to be the first GFY cribs that features chicken coops, salmon, coyotes howling/making kills, bear poop, property damage from bears, refrigerators with temperature readings before I turn the power off and again when I wake up in the morning to turn the power back on, freezers, additional refrigerator and ??? Any other verification you need? I don't always turn the power off just when my kid is at my house. My kids sleeps better here is better rested than when at mom's house. Mom lives very close and helped make the mattress. No my kid was never in danger from the wool mattress thank you very much. True story bro. My kid likes to sleep on a firm mattress so we only had to use a little bit inside one of those mattress covers that zips. It took about 10 minutes to make it. The wool is kind of expensive but worth it. We replace it often. Sometimes my kid sleeps with Duke when he as at our house. When my kid as at Mom's house and Duke is staying overnight I cuddle with him. Below is a pic of Duke sleeping on a Barney stuffed animal. Oh the other building is about 30 feet away and I use it for storage, freezer, parking, keeping dogs, etc etc. It does not have any plumbing but does have power and the interweb because I use it as an office. Because there is no plumbing I PISS IN THE WOODS. IF I have to take a shit I walk 30 feet to my house. I am pleased you are concerned for my safety but I am not afraid of bears. I see them sometimes when I go out to piss. I often piss in the woods. I walk out and pull my dick out and just piss. The bears get to piss in my woods why should I not partake in this pleasurable activity? My neighbor who is the cowgirl lesbian who carries a gun has seen me pissing and she never mentioned it to me. It is very liberating and saves my septic system which tends to get full. There is something magical about peeing outdoors I just cannot explain it. We have bells to warn the bears to scatter. I invite you to pee outdoors this evening. |
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I just checked and I don't see any salmon yet. But I do have some bear crap for you guys since I tell tall tales of riches and .....shutting off breakers and.......
This is fresh. This must be a huge bear because the poop is way bigger than usual. more bear poop but much smaller and has berries in it Bears smelling who knows what and trying to get inside. Fuckers did it while I was gone. I love rose bushes. And this is my backyard. Sometimes I go up there hoping to see Sasquatch. Decided not to take picks of my buildings for privacy reasons. I will post the salmon when they run. There is the main creek and then a smaller one. |
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Do you walk around with a gun, dog or bear spray? When I do camping in Northern MN I carry a Glock 30. Not that I think 45acp is enough to kill a bear but the sound should scare the hell out of it.
Mountain Lions have also become a concern in more recent years. The problem with them is by the time you see them they are already chewing on your neck. I've had 2 run ins with bears, fortunately they have been mid summer and both just ran away. I would hate to come across them in the spring with their cubs or in the fall when in full-on munchies mode.
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Vaccines = Autoimmune Diseases = $$$HUGE PROFITS$$$
Hence the push
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The Flu shot doesn't work and always has the wrong strain inside as they have to predict it a year in advance. Pneumonia deaths are counted as Flu deaths to create the illusion that Flu is a big problem.
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Flu shot sickness = Apple Bendgate? I think, yes. Yesterday I had a friend tell me, passionately, about a McDonald's incident in Oklahoma where they found human body parts in the meat freezers. I thought it sounded bizarre but hadn't checked the news yet. Later in the day I did some research and found this: http://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/humanmeat.asp My point? Hearsay is a mother fucker.
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