.xxx - the best way to stop censorship.

[sonofsam]

200 industries being fucked with to no end

[kernelpanic]

Originally Posted by GatorB

This aint happening. Ok first of all I have internet through Charter. Now say that they start blocking porn. Well they, lose my $40. I'll go with someone who WON'T block porn. And so will millions of others. Speaking of Charter, I can currently get 4 porn PPV channels on Charter cable ALL of which would be MUCH easier to block than websites yet they aren't. And I live in the Bible Belt. Hmmmmmmmm.

Porn takes up more bandwidth than most other uses of the internet, and I'm sure some ISPs would love to block out the porn and offer discounted rates to customers. Many customers, especially married ones, would then purchase the non-xxx plan, thinking they'll never need it, or never be able to use it, and thus there would be no point in paying for it.

Well, there is a huge amount of sales down the drain. Many people porn surf on impulse.

[DVTimes]

The big problem with .xxx is that at the moment if you type in the domain bar, something such as google, it will take you to google.com (you no longer need to type www.google.com). Soon this is how people will get used to finding websites. But this only works with high level domains such as .com. [This is in explorer, not sure about other browsers].

The question will be, will .xxx be picked up on a single word, i.e. sex. I am sure you will be always taken to sex.com rather than sex.xxx.

The way the net is developing, low level domains of any type will get less and less traffic.

In fact, I bet most search engines will block out .xxx sites completely - mainly as non porn search engines will get more money from advertisers.

[DVTimes]

JUNE 02, 2005 (IDG NEWS SERVICE) - The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) yesterday approved a plan for pornographic Web sites to use new addresses that end with ".xxx," something numerous groups and U.S. political leaders have been seeking to try to prevent sexually explicit content from landing on the screens of young Internet users.
ICANN, the nonprofit organization that oversees technical matters related to the Internet, said it will begin negotiations with ICM Registry Inc. to resolve commercial and technical issues associated with operating the .xxx top-level domain (TLD).

The decision in favor of establishing a virtual red-light district for providers of pornographic content and their customers represents a U-turn for ICANN, which rejected ICM's first application for the .xxx TLD in November 2000. Reasons for the objection are published in a document available on ICANN's Web site.

ICANN, in Marina Del Rey, Calif., wasn't immediately available for comment.

ICM argues on its Web site that .xxx Web addresses will shield children from pornographic content more effectively by allowing families and others using filtering software to block access to sites ending with this suffix.

The International Foundation for Online Responsibility will sponsor .xxx, according to ICM Registry. The foundation is a Canadian nonprofit entity that will serve as the policy-making authority for the .xxx TLD. It is -- and will remain -- totally independent from ICM Registry, which is primarily funded by registration activities, the Internet registry company said.

The nonprofit foundation said on its Web site it will promote online child safety and campaign against child pornography. "This foundation will provide assistance through various online support organizations and the sponsoring of technology tools and education programs for parents," ICM Registry said. "The online adult-entertainment industry wants to create an identifiable space with which its members can elect to associate themselves and wherein they can responsibly self-organize and create guidelines to promote credible self-regulation."

ICM Registry, which is wholly owned by Chestermere Investments Ltd., will operate the registry. The company, according to its Web site, "is a financially stable and completely independent entity with no affiliation, current or historic, with the adult-entertainment industry."

In 2000, Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-Conn.) joined several other U.S. politicians demanding ICANN to approve the .xxx TLD. In a paper available on the Web (download PDF), Lieberman wrote: "I think [the .xxx TLD] has a lot of merit, for rather than constricting the Net's open architecture, it would capitalize on it to effectively shield children from pornography and it would do so without encroaching on the rights of adults to have access to protected speech."


http://www.computerworld.com/develop...102170,00.html

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by allanuk

In 2000, Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-Conn.) joined several other U.S. politicians demanding ICANN to approve the .xxx TLD. In a paper available on the Web (download PDF), Lieberman wrote: "I think [the .xxx TLD] has a lot of merit, for rather than constricting the Net's open architecture, it would capitalize on it to effectively shield children from pornography and it would do so without encroaching on the rights of adults to have access to protected speech."


http://www.computerworld.com/develop...102170,00.html

That to me sounds like we WILL be made to go to .xxx.

[DVTimes]

The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN, the Internet governing body) has received a request to create .xxx as a new top-level domain name extension. Unfortunately, however, the extension is being peddled as a means of controlling adult content on the Internet. What you are not being told is that anyone can register Your Name under this extension. Thus, if you don?t register Your-Name.xxx now, your name can easily be associated with Internet pornography in the very near future.

What you are also not being told is that anyone can currently register and have operational any name under the .xxx domain-name extension through New.net. There are a couple of reasons as to why you may not be aware of the existence of .xxx:

Newspapers and Internet news sites are in the business to report news, not to make recommendations. Thus, you hear about news only as it becomes available, but not the fact that such an extension, though not sanctioned by ICANN, already exists. In fact, some major ISPs host websites with these extensions just as they do .com.

Attorneys are not in the business of being proactive in their warnings against damages to your identity, unless you are one of the few who has a personal or family attorney acting as your agent.

There are several reasons as to why people have not registered their personal names under the existing extension so as to protect themselves:

They believe and/or hope that someone with the same personal name will register it and not abuse it. These people will not act until, unfortunately, disaster is upon them.

They believe that ICANN can protect them. Such a scenario is highly unlikely, as it requires legislation and enforcement, both of which are costly . For example, ICANN cannot prevent a porn star from registering his/her name under .xxx.

They do not want to take a step that is not sanctioned by ICANN. However, should ICANN approve .xxx, it must make provisions for current owners of such domain names.

They don?t have a domain-name agent to keep them informed and protect their interests.

Ten groups have applied with ICANN for nine new domains: .asia, .cat, .jobs, .mail, .mobi, .post, .tel, .travel, and .xxx.

You don?t want to be told or find out that an online search for your personal name results in a list of pornographic pages. That?s one more reason why you need a personal domain-name agent to ensure renewal, provide protection, and other sound advice.



Alex Tajirian, President & CEO
http://www.domainmart.com/news/opini...protection.htm

[kernelpanic]

Originally Posted by allanuk

In 2000, Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-Conn.) joined several other U.S. politicians demanding ICANN to approve the .xxx TLD. In a paper available on the Web (download PDF), Lieberman wrote: "I think [the .xxx TLD] has a lot of merit, for rather than constricting the Net's open architecture, it would capitalize on it to effectively shield children from pornography and it would do so without encroaching on the rights of adults to have access to protected speech."

Shield children?

What a fucking joke. For that to happen, there first must be responsible parents who know what filtering software is, and how to use it.

All these politicians and censorship advocates act as if the .xxx TLD will filter itself. Do these people have any clue how few households with children have filtering software in place?

[DVTimes]

http://www.icann.org/tlds/stld-apps-19mar04/xxx.htm

[DVTimes]

[Cains]

Everyone seems to be missing this bit of information, directg from ICM:

Provided all goes to plan, we expect names to go on General Sale to members of the Community in the 4th Quarter of 2005.

Prior to that there will be a period whereby potential registrants that have Intellectual Property interests
in specific names can come forward to register that interest in those names and such names will be equitably allocated and subject to a recognized dispute resolution policy, where more than one party makes a claim over a particular domain name.

[will76]

Originally Posted by Cains

Everyone seems to be missing this bit of information, directg from ICM:

Provided all goes to plan, we expect names to go on General Sale to members of the Community in the 4th Quarter of 2005.

Prior to that there will be a period whereby potential registrants that have Intellectual Property interests
in specific names can come forward to register that interest in those names and such names will be equitably allocated and subject to a recognized dispute resolution policy, where more than one party makes a claim over a particular domain name.

translations = blowing smoke up your ass.

Keep thinking this so you will keep thinking "it will be ok as long as i get my .xxx of my current .com name".

Intellectual property does not equal " I own freegirlslive.com, so i should get freegirlslive.xxx " This will be for people with LEGAL rights such as Trandemarks, etc. What happens when the .com .net and .org for every decent domain applies for this so called " dispute resolution policy " who they give it to then. They will not go through this trouble to even try. These people are greedy money hungry assholes, the only reason they are even concerned with trademarks is because they know it will give them possible legal troubles. Everything else your on your own.

This will start as early as 4th Quarter, Oct, Nov? Seems like we have a lot least 4 - 5 months to a.. consult with our attorny, for us all to put our heads together and see if there is something we can do to fight this.

[xuron]

yep... looking at this from both sides.. its hard to keep a positive outlook... because even though it makes it easier to label a site, the major threats of this situation for us is how it can be used against the porn industry... I agree with APN philip that it will make it MUCH easier for colleges and any institution to block the domains of people that are OVER 18... These institution are not into free speech, they love *protecting* their students... so that would cut down traffic... if they just make a new TLD and do not force adult content to those domains, then its awesome, BUT I don't even see how they could force adult content to these domains and enforce it? is it going to be a tattle tale system? where someone has to complain to the government for them to know about it?

[mardigras]

Originally Posted by Lensman

Think about it. If adult content was on it's own TLD, it's easy to block it for kids.

So, do we bomb all of the countries that decide to not go along with the plan or do we celebrate the mass exodus of another US market?
.xxx will do nothing to keep porn away from kids.

[tradermcduck]

Originally Posted by will76

translations = blowing smoke up your ass.

Keep thinking this so you will keep thinking "it will be ok as long as i get my .xxx of my current .com name".

Intellectual property does not equal " I own freegirlslive.com, so i should get freegirlslive.xxx " This will be for people with LEGAL rights such as Trandemarks, etc. What happens when the .com .net and .org for every decent domain applies for this so called " dispute resolution policy " who they give it to then. They will not go through this trouble to even try. These people are greedy money hungry assholes, the only reason they are even concerned with trademarks is because they know it will give them possible legal troubles. Everything else your on your own.

This will start as early as 4th Quarter, Oct, Nov? Seems like we have a lot least 4 - 5 months to a.. consult with our attorny, for us all to put our heads together and see if there is something we can do to fight this.

Well said !!!

[Nysus]

Originally Posted by FilthyRob

Domain hawks are going to swoop in and buy millions the first day just to resell.

They already have pre-bought most / all, and the owners surely have a list they've kept for themselves to sell later.

I'm wondering if Lensman has any pre-bought .xxx domains... ?

Matt

[felipeav]

Originally Posted by taibo

george bush looks at porn too!

lol! i'm sure he does!

[Connor]

Originally Posted by GatorB

This aint happening. Ok first of all I have internet through Charter. Now say that they start blocking porn. Well they, lose my $40. I'll go with someone who WON'T block porn. And so will millions of others. Speaking of Charter, I can currently get 4 porn PPV channels on Charter cable ALL of which would be MUCH easier to block than websites yet they aren't. And I live in the Bible Belt. Hmmmmmmmm.

It will be a legal LIABILITY for the big ISPs NOT to block Dot-XXX sites. The second some opportunistic parent catches JUNIOR surfing a Dot-XXX site she will SUE the ISP, and the ISP will have no grounds to stand on because it's not like they can claim they didn't know Dot-XXX sites were adult! Right now an ISP can get away with it because there's no possible way for them to separatre the adult from the non-adult without also blocking out unintended things. With Dot-XXX, their liability goes through the ROOF if they don't require some kind of age verification for customers who want access to Dot-XXX sites. And most adults aren't going to bother with jumping through a lot of hoops... they'll just get their porn from the international sites that aren't forced onto Dot-XXX.

Despite all the evidence in front of you, you are STILL defending Dot-XXX?

[Connor]

Originally Posted by GatorB

You can't. Get that yet?

You don't know that. That is still being determined.

[Connor]

Originally Posted by kernelpanic

Thats stupidity, but go right ahead. I'm sure some opportunist out there who doesn't give a shit about the politics of it all would love to step in where a collective effort refuses to go.

What really stinks is that so many people in this industry apparently ARE willing to take some money and sell out the rest of us. People who pretend to be looking out for the industry too. People that so many of us do business with and have supported in the past... selling us out for a piece of this nightmare. Makes me want to fucking vomit.

[benc]

Heres the simple solution to the problem. Do not buy any .xxx domains and blackball anyone that does. That means, do not trade traffic or submit to any .xxx site, whether it be a tgp, linksite, etc. Do not send any traffic to a .xxx paysite.

If that is done then very few people will seriously develop on a .xxx The main owners will be a few domain speculators that will buy up millions of them and lie about the typin traffic they are getting.

[Connor]

Originally Posted by allanuk

Yeah, and do you know which people will be on the Board of that "supporting organization" for adult entertainment? Only a MINORITY on that board will be from the adult industry -- other seats will be made up of people from other groups, like family values advocates. And THEY will be setting the rules for websites on .XXX domain names. Is this okay with people here? Does this sit well with you?

[Drake]

I wish the solution was that simple

[Nysus]

Lensman, from your post you seem to support it; do you have something to gain from .xxx existing? Otherwise most people have the feeling it will be negative, so not sure why you'd want to promote it on GFY, other than a new advertiser trying to make money.

It seems quite apparent in this thread that it'll be a negative thing for a lot of people, and not a good idea; child protection can still be done by people submitting all of their sites to software protection; I personally think Microsoft should buy or release a CyberNanny duplicate free apart of Windows.. they should be socially responsible for it.. just as much as webmasters or anyone else to protect children.

KRL or anyone else big want to talk to Microsoft about that? I don't have time.

Matt

[Nysus]

Also, motives for ICANN introducing .xxx is to make more money (they make $ per domain sold...) and also from US government pressure.





Matt

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Nysus

Also, motives for ICANN introducing .xxx is to make more money (they make $ per domain sold...) and also from US government pressure.





Matt

Not true The DOJ stated they think .xxx is a very bad idea.

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by Nysus

KRL or anyone else big want to talk to Microsoft about that? I don't have time.

[Babagirls]

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

"The KEY is that the registry MUST allow the current .com owners to get the same domains as .xxx"

Correct or else it would all hell breaking loose

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[warlock5]

Originally Posted by APN Philip

You might not have ISP's block it, but think about all the colleges, companies, parents, and a thousand other organizations that would block it on the client side. Traffic would be cut in half.

You hit the nail on the head. Although I don't agree with you on the "parents" part. Perhaps "spouse" is a better word. The whole point is parents could block it.

What would be really bad is if ISPs started charging extra to access .xxx. Thats when things could really start getting ugly.

[KRL]

This is a stupid ass idea.

Why should anyone be forced to pay $60 a domain when that's 10 times the current market rate?

I'm sure this registrar will grab the good domains through friends or associates.

I say fuck .xxx.

[bhutocracy]

Originally Posted by Connor

Hey look, I'm famous:

http://www.internetnews.com/xSP/article.php/3510056

Aside from the part about me in there, I found this part most interesting:



Anyone else wondering if Parry Aftab, someone who thinks we try to trick children to visit our sites, will be one of the people sitting on the board of IFFOR, making decisions for all of us about how we can use .XXX domain names? Or maybe some of you didn't know that outside groups will be making decisions about what you can and cannot do with a .XXX domain name? Who was it who supported this shit again?

i feel ill.....

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

everyone talks like its bad but there are so many greedy people trying to get prior deals which in the end will cost the rest of us double the amount of $ and make a few webmasters very very rich.

all the posts about how ".com owners should also get the .xxx" shows that some under the table deals have already been made.

it is propostorous to think that, it has never been done that way, with .co.uk with .ws, with .cc NEVER, it makes you wonder what kind of thoughts people have thinking that.

allowing .com owners to get the .xxx it one of THE dumbest ideas i have ever heard on GFY. just because you own a .com doesnt mean you have presidence on any future extensions.

and allowing those with .com names to snatch their .xxx extentions opens the floodgates to massive registers by a few individuals before the extension has even dropped.

alot of people talk about how they care so much and do not want the .xxx extension yet i am fairly possitive many of those who are respected as industry leaders are already arranging deals to maximize profit off the rest of us (ie stab us in the back) before the extension is even dropped.

just talking about how the .com owners have first dibs alreays shows this. its a bunch of webmasters from 97 who have seen their market share decrease since the flood of webmasters and will do anything to sustain it.

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[steffie]

Originally Posted by Lensman

The KEY is that the registry MUST allow the current .com owners to get the same domains as .xxx, without the regisgtered tm bs. If you own a .net, you are second in line. If they don't, I can see lots of lawsuits.

I don't like the idea of .xxx
However this is a valid point. I checked with .xxx on net.net and somebody already bought one of my domain names we purchased in 1996

[Nysus]

Really? Do you know on what basis?

Matt

[Nysus]

Originally Posted by steffie

I don't like the idea of .xxx
However this is a valid point. I checked with .xxx on net.net and somebody already bought one of my domain names we purchased in 1996

Exactly, and any big single keywords, even double keywords, are reserved by the company pushing for it ... same idea as .tv extension, where they can lease them yearly at whatever they think they can get for them.

Matt

[Far-L]

scam scam scam scam scam scam scam... follow the money!

[Calvinguy]

Originally Posted by steffie

I don't like the idea of .xxx
However this is a valid point. I checked with .xxx on net.net and somebody already bought one of my domain names we purchased in 1996

Same here.... my domain from 97 is already taken at new.net. I hope they get fucked by icann

[bhutocracy]

So what happens when the token christian nut on the board objects to gay ass to mouth and our sites aren't allowed on .xxx?

[tony286]

Originally Posted by bhutocracy

So what happens when the token christian nut on the board objects to gay ass to mouth and our sites aren't allowed on .xxx?

you are fucked lol

[bhutocracy]

Originally Posted by tony404

you are fucked lol

yeah it's such a fucking good idea. lol.

[bhutocracy]

So what are we supposed to do? Buy something that has rules and regulations set by people not even in the c.unting industry and therefore maybe not even be able to use the property.. or just fucking wait until it's mandatory in the US and buy .coms off the US webmasters forced on .xxx and pray it's US only and not ICANN itself or what?