News In case you missed it - we now target tubes

[AdultKing]

This post is to placate the people who for two years have asked why we don't pursue tubes.

Well, I announced in the Stop File Lockers thread a few days ago that now we do.

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=20210087&postcount=7162

So if you have problems with a particular tube then there's a few things you can do.

1. File a report with screen captures at http://copycontrol.org/report-piracy

2. Send us copies of your DMCA notices to [email protected]

3. Join Adult IP - http://adultip.org - Look out for the press release this week.

If you have any questions please post them here, however consider now the Killing off File Lockers thread to also focus on killing off piracy more widely.

As a footnote, we are monitoring around 130 private torrent trackers and will be targeting them too.

[Klen]

Well make a domain stoptubes.com then ;)

[TeenCat]

looks promissing, now lets see the results have luck!

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Well make a domain stoptubes.com then ;)

We'll be putting all the news related to our Adult Industry anti-piracy work on the Adult IP website and in the member newsletters.

http://adultip.org/

[Naughty]

Even though i am only in physical products, i really apreciate the efforts you make for others.

Keep up the good work.

[420]

Spread the word that this is unacceptable and you could see some real changes.

[The Porn Nerd]

Target tubes - how?
Don't we have a few companies that send out DMCAs already?
So what can you do that these other companies are not already doing?
What are your hopes? A tube-free future?

Thanks for the answers.

[Zyber]

Keep up the good work

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Target tubes - how?

In the same way as we combat piracy using our methods now.

Don't we have a few companies that send out DMCAs already?

Yes, but we do not send out DMCA notices.

So what can you do that these other companies are not already doing?

Adult IP can pressure non legal tubes to either go legit or be closed down.

What are your hopes? A tube-free future?

Of course not, there will always be legal tubes. By legal I mean tubes that do not encourage piracy, that provide fair distribution for content owners that want to share their content, that licence content and that don't share illegal content.

There are many tubes that don't play by these standards and they'll find themselves needing to "adapt or die". Content owners are fed up with the theft and unauthorised monetisation of their content and now it's time to take action against that.

[Marshal]

some great work there!

[Roald]

Non legal tubes? Can you define that? Is that when they don't reply to dmca request? Or....?

[BareBacked]

Has this become a for profit business?

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by Roald

Non legal tubes? Can you define that? Is that when they don't reply to dmca request? Or....?

A non legal tube has one or more of the following attributes:

1. Does not comply with DMCA or other Copyright Take Down Requests consistent with the Berne Convention.

2. Makes available content that is illegal.

3. Encourages piracy.

4. Provides reward, payment or other consideration in exchange for copyright infringing uploads.

5. Publishes content that is has not licensed or without the consent of the rights holder (that is the tube publishes the content, different from user uploads)

If these attributes are met then we would define that as an illegal tube, one which should be either encouraged to go legit or be shut down.

[Markul]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

A non legal tube has one or more of the following attributes:

1. Does not comply with DMCA or other Copyright Take Down Requests consistent with the Berne Convention.

2. Makes available content that is illegal.

3. Encourages piracy.

4. Provides reward, payment or other consideration in exchange for copyright infringing uploads.

5. Publishes content that is has not licensed or without the consent of the rights holder (that is the tube publishes the content, different from user uploads)

If these attributes are met then we would define that as an illegal tube, one which should be either encouraged to go legit or be shut down.

So what about services like Cloudflare, that 99% of the big illegal tubes use. Would it not make sense to put some pressure on them?

They refuse to act on DMCA complaints with their lame excuse:

Please be aware CloudFlare is a network provider offering a reverse proxy, pass-through security service. We are not a hosting provider. CloudFlare does not control the content of our customers.

Their IP is serving illegal content, they help the pirates monetize their stolen content by serving it faster and securing up-time and they diffuse who the real owners are.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by Markul

So what about services like Cloudflare, that 99% of the big illegal tubes use. Would it not make sense to put some pressure on them?

They refuse to act on DMCA complaints with their lame excuse:

Their IP is serving illegal content, they help the pirates monetize their stolen content by serving it faster and securing up-time and they diffuse who the real owners are.

Cloudflare, without exception, have provided us the IP address and Hosting Company details of every site we have reported to them.

They are a CDN (Content Distribution Network) that only caches around the world what is served from primary servers elsewhere.

To take the content down, or the site down, contacting the originating host of the content is the correct strategy to pursue. There are criminal web hosts / data centre operators like Ecatel that rarely comply with requests - in those cases the best course of action is domain seizure.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

In the same way as we combat piracy using our methods now.



Yes, but we do not send out DMCA notices.



Adult IP can pressure non legal tubes to either go legit or be closed down.



Of course not, there will always be legal tubes. By legal I mean tubes that do not encourage piracy, that provide fair distribution for content owners that want to share their content, that licence content and that don't share illegal content.

There are many tubes that don't play by these standards and they'll find themselves needing to "adapt or die". Content owners are fed up with the theft and unauthorised monetisation of their content and now it's time to take action against that.

Thank you for the answers. I work with many tubes as they are my biggest affiliates. But there are many, many 'little tubes' out there that fit the criteria you just outlined so your efforts there will be much appreciated, I am sure.

But the real issue will remain 'user uploads' and the DMCA loopholes. Even on some of the bigger tubes, even after a takedown request has been honored, I see the offending video re-uploaded a day later by another 'user'. It will ever remain a whack-a-mole situation regardless of your efforts I am afraid. Tho I wish it were not so.

(the tube I am starting will NOT have 'user uploads' and every single video will be uploaded by a verified Content Partner.)

[Markul]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Cloudflare, without exception, have provided us the IP address and Hosting Company details of every site we have reported to them.

They are a CDN (Content Distribution Network) that only caches around the world what is served from primary servers elsewhere.

To take the content down, or the site down, contacting the originating host of the content is the correct strategy to pursue. There are criminal web hosts / data centre operators like Ecatel that rarely comply with requests - in those cases the best course of action is domain seizure.

I am aware of that and they have also give me the information I need when contacted, but they should disable the website they are caching instead of passing the problem on. Fact is, they are making money off pirate websites and a lot of it.

One have seen arguments in the past, about services that should police what their users are doing. The same should be said for the CDNs. They are distributing illegal content after all.

But I'll shut up now, since this is about tubes and not CDNs. Go get em

[brassmonkey]

you crack me up! they just move to countries that do not agree with dcma

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

But the real issue will remain 'user uploads' and the DMCA loopholes. Even on some of the bigger tubes, even after a takedown request has been honored, I see the offending video re-uploaded a day later by another 'user'. It will ever remain a whack-a-mole situation regardless of your efforts I am afraid. Tho I wish it were not so.

None of this is a perfect science, however there will be pressure applied to sites that do not implement policies and procedures to properly police their user uploads - especially in the context you described.

Originally Posted by Markul

One have seen arguments in the past, about services that should police what their users are doing. The same should be said for the CDNs. They are distributing illegal content after all.

Many ISP's use transparent proxies, caching content and forwarding it to users in a similar way to a CDN. I've considered the CDN issue and I am yet to be convinced that the CDN is the correct vector of attack. I think the primary host is where we need to apply the pressure, especially with limited resources and the fact that people can switch CDNs if one is cut off - in that case the content remains on the originating server and nothing is gained.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

you crack me up! they just move to countries that do not agree with dcma

There aren't many countries that aren't signatories to the Berne Convention and those that aren't may host content out of reach of copyright enforcement. However there is always the tactic of domain seizure, which certainly will get the attention of infringing sites.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

What are your hopes?

$$$$$$$$$

[DamianJ]

Nice one Bob!

After years of saying you are only targeting file lockers (in a very stroppy way), and having realised you're not making any impact, you now claim to target tubes, USENET, etc.

Adapt or die. Well done. I hope the cash rolls in for ya!

[BareBacked]

is this a per profit business or something you do out of the goodness of your heart?

[Diomed]

AK,

what a long strange journey this has been man. I remember when you first mentioned this shit, and well everyone is used to hearing a lot of people talk large.

Cut to now, and you've mewn thousand of fuckos down.

Keep up the iron will fella.

[PornDude]

I don't really get you AdultKing.

How about you only target one and the biggest one xvideos.com?

I don't really give a fuck if you take down 1000 Alexa 1.000.000 sites but big players are left untouched. Believe me it will make ZERO difference.

[PornDude]

http://mypornbookmarks.com/#Best-Porn-Tube-Sites

You won't take nobody down from this list. I am 100% sure of this. Get a better job.

[WDF]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

However there is always the tactic of domain seizure, which certainly will get the attention of infringing sites.

It is not difficult to get a domain suspended or seized with the proper evidence/documentation. See HERE.

Some registrars and situations take a little longer then others but it is possible with good documentation/evidence.

Once established ownership is confirmed many steps can be taken on several levels and jurisdictions to cause compliance or closure. And Yes, every bit of this is completely legal!

The book on Tactics and Methods of Online Anti-Piracy Companies is still being written.

Added: Content Producers/Program Owners/Affiliates can get directly involved thanks to a Pro-Piracy Poster pointing out the obvious about domain name suspensions.

[TeenCat]

Originally Posted by PikaPoka

http://mypornbookmarks.com/#Best-Porn-Tube-Sites

You won't take nobody down from this list. I am 100% sure of this. Get a better job.

and you have all of those thieves and pirates at one place on your site ... congrats? what are you trying to say here? you are pirate? if not, you must be dumb as fuck, supporting them ... you have to stfu at adult webmasters forum, mr ass ...

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by PikaPoka

http://mypornbookmarks.com/#Best-Porn-Tube-Sites

You won't take nobody down from this list. I am 100% sure of this. Get a better job.

Nice list thanks!

[brassmonkey]

you cant take down sites that have public uploads and do dcma. keep blowing that smoke

[SplatterMaster]

Originally Posted by WDF

It is not difficult to get a domain suspended or seized with the proper evidence/documentation. See HERE.

Looks like someone has an avalanche of an email address

[mineistaken]

Well done.
Gfy should sympathize and at lest ban thieving posters...

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by TeenCat

and you have all of those thieves and pirates at one place on your site ... congrats? what are you trying to say here? you are pirate? if not, you must be dumb as fuck, supporting them ... you have to stfu at adult webmasters forum, mr ass ...

That guy is unreal. A true pirate collector 2 database.

[PornDude]

Originally Posted by TeenCat

and you have all of those thieves and pirates at one place on your site ... congrats? what are you trying to say here? you are pirate? if not, you must be dumb as fuck, supporting them ... you have to stfu at adult webmasters forum, mr ass ...

Who again are you to tell me to stfu? I bet your nose was all over your keyboard when you typed this, Slovakian ass

[WDF]

Originally Posted by SplatterMaster

Looks like someone has an avalanche of an email address

I guess you do not have a number of email addy's for different purposes/business.

I, also, guess you leave information on servers for anyone that can access it to look through.

Web security is a proactive issue not reactive.

We collect data and information left behind by others, do think we are going to do the same?

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by BareBacked

Has this become a for profit business?

No Adult IP Inc is a registered non profit association of it's members. It cannot distribute money or property to it's members and all funds must be used for the purposes of the association governed by both law and the rules of the association.

Originally Posted by DamianJ

$$$$$$$$$

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Nice one Bob!

After years of saying you are only targeting file lockers (in a very stroppy way), and having realised you're not making any impact, you now claim to target tubes, USENET, etc.

Adapt or die. Well done. I hope the cash rolls in for ya!

The movement has evolved, Adult IP was formed and now the focus has broadened. As for cash rolling in, all money goes to Adult IP which as I said above is a registered non profit association. It cannot distribute money or property to it's members and all funds must be used for the purposes of the association governed by both law and the rules of the association.

Originally Posted by BareBacked

is this a per profit business or something you do out of the goodness of your heart?

No, Adult IP is a non profit association, you can read the rules of the association here:

http://www.adultip.org/association_rules

Originally Posted by PikaPoka

I don't really get you AdultKing.

How about you only target one and the biggest one xvideos.com?

I don't really give a fuck if you take down 1000 Alexa 1.000.000 sites but big players are left untouched. Believe me it will make ZERO difference.

It's not all up to me, it's up to the members of Adult IP and the management committee who we target. You may have seen me post that when we target tubes that XVideos will be first against the wall - providing they don't clean up their act.

Adult IP is about bringing content owners and other stakeholders together as a united force to place pressure on these sites, so don't expect us to go nuclear from day one.

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

you cant take down sites that have public uploads and do dcma. keep blowing that smoke

You can sue them if the content keeps being republished or other criteria are met.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

You can sue them if the content keeps being republished or other criteria are met.

you know thats bullshit they pay you to say crap like that

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

you know thats bullshit they pay you to say crap like that

Nobody pays me anything for my anti-piracy efforts. I volunteer my time - more than two years now - and nobody, I mean nobody tells me what to say.

[Captain Kawaii]

I can see a lot of Pro-Pirate tears coming to this board.

[SplatterMaster]

Originally Posted by WDF

I guess you do not have a number of email addy's for different purposes/business.

I, also, guess you leave information on servers for anyone that can access it to look through.

Web security is a proactive issue not reactive.

We collect data and information left behind by others, do think we are going to do the same?

?
I was referring to the email address in the image you posted a link to info.lawina. Lawina meaning Avalanche http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawina (yes I looked it up out of curiosity) here is the English translation http://translate.google.com/translat...%26bih%3D89 6. Very interesting email address addy if you look it up in google

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

I can see a lot of Pro-Pirate tears coming to this board.

The content producing industry is starting to come together with a common purpose, there's no doubt some might be annoyed by that development, however I think the long term prospects of the industry are better once we achieve more of a balance.

[Zeiss]

From the site... "Adult IP is a non profit association..." Membership costs $2500 per year...

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Roald

Non legal tubes? Can you define that? Is that when they don't reply to dmca request? Or....?

DMCA is a nonsense, and I bet you know that

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Zeiss

From the site... "Adult IP is a non profit association..." Membership costs $2500 per year...

they have expenses

[Biggy]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

you know thats bullshit they pay you to say crap like that

What law school did you graduate from? The ignorance of our industry on copyright infringement has been crazy,

Id venture to guess 95% of our industry thinks there's no consequences to stealing content, maybe it's because they live outside the USA or some other nonsense, and most of these people have never once spoken to a lawyer.

Because it's gone on for so long unchecked, people have become accustomed to a legal reality that is not correct.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by Zeiss

From the site... "Adult IP is a non profit association..." Membership costs $2500 per year...

So does PETA is yet they making billions yearly

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by Zeiss

From the site... "Adult IP is a non profit association..." Membership costs $2500 per year...

Hiring a skilled private investigator to identify assets, ownership and relationships in relation to a single site can cost thousands.

An IP Lawyer is $450 - $600 per hour of work.

I spent a week overseas recently having wall to wall meetings in three countries, do you think that cost a few dollars ?

It costs money to run an organisation like ours.

[MrTrollkien]

Any news??

[PornDude]

News like xhamster is down?

[WDF]

Nudes, did you say NUDES?