Killing off File Lockers

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by lucas131

man, that is a battle with wind mills ... i appreciate your efforts and time you put in, but still, one guy against everyone, but keep it up maybe one day maybe someone will find all the info enough to join forces and take some legal steps. respect!

I disagree, this battle can and will be won. Behind the scenes I have been building relationships with several people and organizations who are willing and able to act in regard to certain aspects of this issue.

I can't go into lots of detail, however I have made the breakthrough with Paypal public. With the Paypal dialogue, it's not some pleb I am in contact with, it's the Head of Brand Risk Management of the Paypal legal department. You can't get any higher than her when it comes to shutting down Paypal accounts.

The difficulty is that with many of these contacts I am making, it would jeopardize any action if I was specific about it on this or any other forum. So you'll just have to trust me.

[AlexShark]

mmm... don't you fear consequences, like being sued for defamation etc for pointing fingers to all those sites.
I mean, this is not like calling some GFY member an idiot.
I fear that you probably end up messing around with guys with a big legal team behind them (as well as big pockets) .
Anyway good luck

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by AlexShark

mmm... don't you fear consequences, like being sued for defamation etc for pointing fingers to all those sites.
I mean, this is not like calling some GFY member an idiot.
I fear that you probably end up messing around with guys with a big legal team behind them (as well as big pockets) .
Anyway good luck

I have my own legal counsel here in Australia and not a word is being said without passing it by them. I don't fear being sued as in our country truth is a defense to defamation proceedings.

[AlexShark]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

I have my own legal counsel here in Australia and not a word is being said without passing it by them. I don't fear being sued as in our country truth is a defense to defamation proceedings.

mmm.... if your legal consultant is telling you this...then double good luck

[AdultKing]

This campaign just didn't appear overnight, it was the result of many months of planning and forethought, it started small but in just a few days became a major effort, so much so that I am dedicating 3 months full time to it.

[xenigo]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

-because if they follow DMCA then they are in safeharbor
-now if they use vobile fingerprinting they are safe even more
So in shortly no way to deal with tubes,maybe only suing for unfair competition.

Not correct at all. If they're willful infringers, they're in violation. An example of a willful infringer is me encouraging you to upload copyright infringing content, or me paying you to do so, or me doing it myself.

The ONLY way they can claim a safeharbor is if they're legitimately unaware of what's being uploaded. And in that case, the uploader is the willful infringer. You know what tubes are unaware of what's being uploaded? Tubes that have nothing on them. Yeah... that's because the owners are always aware of what's being uploaded... because it's them doing the uploading 99 times out of 100.

And BTW, using a 3rd party fingerprinting product also doesn't mean shit for safeharbor. If I didn't fingerprint my content, they're still in violation if they're using it.

So basically what I'm saying is there is literally no safeharbor loophole that would allow illegally used copyrighted content to stay online.

[AdultKing]

Can we please keep this discussion to shutting down file lockers ? Discuss the tubes elsewhere. I want this thread focused on file lockers and not GFY shitfights about tubes or anything else for that matter.

[DarkJedi]

Great thread.

[lucas131]

nice one, bump to the bottom!

[AdultKing]

reponse from FileMates.com

This is a ridiculous article with false information regarding our activities.
We are a website like RapidShare. Not like MegaUpload.
You may want to ask what is the difference. the difference is that we delete all reported content uploaded on our website which infrige copyrights.
We also delete all content and get measures against uploaders that upload child pornography.
We will not respond any more in further comments. This is just a false and maybe competitors originated article.
If you really want to help us, send us contents infriging copyrights or illegal material infriging the law in general and we will be there to help.
Sinecerely,
FileMates.com

Make your own mind up.

[Nautilus]

You are making great advances AK, congrats.

But are you sure it is necessary to make more blogs at this point? Since you've been already hooked with the higherups at paypal and have their attention, maybe it'll be better to focus on posting quality content for your two current blogs that are already running? They seem to get the job done, why spread the resource (time and money) thinner than necessary?

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by Nautilus

You are making great advances AK, congrats.

But are you sure it is necessary to make more blogs at this point? Since you've been already hooked with the higherups at paypal and have their attention, maybe it'll be better to focus on posting quality content for your two current blogs that are already running? They seem to get the job done, why spread the resource (time and money) thinner than necessary?

There's a game plan which involves a couple more sites but because the file locker community are monitoring these threads I won't divulge what it is.

Trust me, I'm not going to do anything that will distract me or take my time away from what's important.

[19teenporn]

To the top we go

[AdultKing]

Thanks to a suggestion from GFY we have now created the Twitter account @StopFileLockers and as suggested please use the hashtag #stopfilelockers

[Django]

PayPal protects their own Interests while lying to you.

[inthecrack]

Originally Posted by Vjo

Basicly all you fucks (affil managers/reps/prog owners) promoting progs selling REGULAR paysites for $29.99 are a JOKE as long as more and more of these lockers are popping up.

They have HUNDREDS of paysites for $12.99 PLUS every other form of media.

THIS is what the internet is heading for. 100% homogenized content on THOUSANDS of file hosts.

I frankly doubt the train can be stopped anymore. Even AK in his last paragraph says Paypal and Visa/MC are mostly turning a blind eye to make huge profits that we USED to make for them.

The whole fucking adult industry is one big BITCH to file lockers. Maybe it is evolution. At any rate the conventional adult program is a joke for sure.

Filesharing might be winning for now but the party wont last forever. I see one of two possible outcomes. Either the people with legitimate talent that produce the content will no longer have any incentive to produce and you'll have nothing of any value to share or else the tide will turn and payment processing will wise up and the laws will actually catch up with the times. I believe the later is already starting to happen.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by inthecrack

Filesharing might be winning for now but the party wont last forever. I see one of two possible outcomes. Either the people with legitimate talent that produce the content will no longer have any incentive to produce and you'll have nothing of any value to share or else the tide will turn and payment processing will wise up and the laws will actually catch up with the times. I believe the later is already starting to happen.

This is a winnable war on File Lockers, it needs to be carried out in stages but I believe we will prevail.

[livexxx]

Dropbox is now stopping public accessible folders for its users. Most likely a bandwidth issue, but......

[AdultKing]

Uploaded.to hosts pirate copies of Windows, Hollywood movies, music and full site rips of Porn sites.

http://stopfilelockers.com/uploaded-...-of-windows-7/

We're going to be going after this company hard.

[krylon]

you forgot mediafire, and dropbox. They also have a bunch of copyright files and full siterips.. do you need some screenshots? I can provide.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by krylon

you forgot mediafire, and dropbox. They also have a bunch of copyright files and full siterips.. do you need some screenshots? I can provide.

Thanks for the offer but I haven't forgotten any of them. There's other processes going on behind the scenes which I cannot go in to here as the file locker community is monitoring these threads. Suffice to say, we are publishing sites only when those processes are under way.

The blogs are a front end to the whole operation, people shouldn't think because a site isn't up there yet that we're not dealing with it.

[livexxx]

Dropbox has north of 50 million users

Owner Drew Houston has raised 275 million with a current valuation north of 5 billion and estimates of $200+ million revenue a year so far. I bet himself , Bono & Edge and Sequoia (early investors) would also question why they use paypal who work for the bad filelockers. Or perhaps they might also wonder what it was exactly people were storing in their public folders. I know they "cant" look in private ones, but surely they keep an eye on the public ones, or do they not want to know why they became so popular either......

[Hermes]

How about...

https://youtube.com/results?searc...y="full+movie"
https://youtube.com/results?search_query=execution
https://youtube.com/results?search_query=lolita+sex

(and I bet there's much worse stuff in privately kept videos which nobody can search/monitor)

[johnnyloadproductions]

Originally Posted by Hermes

How about...

https://youtube.com/results?searc...y="full+movie"
https://youtube.com/results?search_query=execution
https://youtube.com/results?search_query=lolita+sex

(and I bet there's much worse stuff in privately kept videos which nobody can search/monitor)

You'll start to understand while file lockers are so bad, I'll demonstrate.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by Hermes

How about...

https://youtube.com/results?searc...y="full+movie"
https://youtube.com/results?search_query=execution
https://youtube.com/results?search_query=lolita+sex

(and I bet there's much worse stuff in privately kept videos which nobody can search/monitor)

This is not a tube discussion thread, please start your own, this thread is about killing off file lockers. Please do not attempt to derail it.

[AlexShark]

Originally Posted by Hermes

How about...

https://youtube.com/results?searc...y="full+movie"
https://youtube.com/results?search_query=execution
https://youtube.com/results?search_query=lolita+sex

(and I bet there's much worse stuff in privately kept videos which nobody can search/monitor)

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclien...freakshare.com
About 856,000 results

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclien...e:mojohost.com
About 79,200 results

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclien...te:filegag.com
About 48,100 results

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclien...:filemates.com
About 85,700 results

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclien...ite:asfile.com
About 394,000 results

https://youtube.com/results?searc...y="full+movie"
About 11,400,000 results

... I am pretty sure youtube team is working hard on an advanced algorithm to ban files containing an array of keywords in the title... coming soon

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

I have my own legal counsel here in Australia and not a word is being said without passing it by them. I don't fear being sued as in our country truth is a defense to defamation proceedings.

He's right about that. If you are public concern, and someone objects to your methods of doing business, and is correct about them, there is no liability whatsoever. He is not being malicious, he is legitimately objecting to their business practice.

[AlexShark]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

He's right about that. If you are public concern, and someone objects to your methods of doing business, and is correct about them, there is no liability whatsoever. He is not being malicious, he is legitimately objecting to their business practice.

Well... someone must decide that he is correct first.

He states: "Paypal processes CP" when nobody has ever checked those files, what about writing: "Paypal is processing memberships for some file hosting websites and some of the files served use a title that indicates that the content might be related to CP ?"

I am not saying he is doing a wrong thing but maybe he is doing the right thing in the wrong way and without thinking of consequences. Anyway it was just my advice (I am not a lawyer nor a judge)

[johnnyloadproductions]

Originally Posted by AlexShark

Well... someone must decide that he is correct first.

He states: "Paypal processes CP" when nobody has ever checked those files, what about writing: "Paypal is processing memberships for some file hosting websites and some of the files served use a title that indicates that the content might be related to CP ?"

I am not saying he is doing a wrong thing but maybe he is doing the right thing in the wrong way and without thinking of consequences. Anyway it was just my advice (I am not a lawyer nor a judge)

From all I've read in all different places and through lots of information, some and not all, of those files are packed with illegal content.
This is not a frivolous case.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by AlexShark

Well... someone must decide that he is correct first.

He states: "Paypal processes CP" when nobody has ever checked those files, what about writing: "Paypal is processing memberships for some file hosting websites and some of the files served use a title that indicates that the content might be related to CP ?"

I am not saying he is doing a wrong thing but maybe he is doing the right thing in the wrong way and without thinking of consequences. Anyway it was just my advice (I am not a lawyer nor a judge)

You seem intent on derailing this. What you don't understand that this project has oversight by very good lawyers and my resources are considerable enough to defend any issues. Truth is a defence to defamation in Australia, so there is no problem.

It does not matter if the files named as CP contain CP or not, the mere connotation that they do contributes to child exploitation and those seeking child exploitation material.

It's also a clear breach of Mastercard, Visa and Paypal processing regulations.

As I said. debate this in another thread, this thread is solely to focus on shutting down file lockers.

[MrDeiz]

that's a good battle

fuck the haters, those whining bitches

you do the right thing and it changes the world

[19teenporn]

Originally Posted by MrDeiz

that's a good battle

fuck the haters, those whining bitches

you do the right thing and it changes the world

Here's a bump for a good battle...

[AdultKing]

a comment from a fan of http://coldcopy.com.au

Author Samantha [email protected] 69.61.23.138

Fuck you .
i need these .
so i say fuck you admin

I'd say people are not liking the inevitable.

[AdultKing]

By far the worst example of a smaller file locker that we have seen which specializes in highly illegal content and accepts Paypal as payment. What has been learned about this file locker has made me sick to my stomach.

http://stopfilelockers.com/tenfiles-...ld-pornography

We will be paying extra special attention to closing this site down.

[Tijuana_Tom]

This battle can be won as long as this is a long term project for Adult King and not something he's doing this week because he's excited.

It's something that he will need to stay on-top of forever.

File hosting and Payment processing are two lucrative businesses that nobody will be willing to give up.

New companies will always pop up.

You also need to take this with a more anonymous approach you will get GFY and your own web properties, real life attacked. Yah you think you're tough but you're just very ignorant as to what you are doing.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by Tijuana_Tom

You also need to take this with a more anonymous approach you will get GFY and your own web properties, real life attacked. Yah you think you're tough but you're just very ignorant as to what you are doing.

It's not just me though, behind the scenes we are working with many agencies to attack this problem.

Also, you are right (surprisingly) which is why a legally incorporated association is being established to build this campaign into an ongoing effort.

[globofun]

Good job AK!

[AdultKing]

Megashare, operating since 2004 but not for very much longer. We are at quite an advanced stage of dealing with this site.

http://stopfilelockers.com/megashare...st-for-piracy/

I suspect there will be a lot of uploaders and affiliates very annoyed when they stop being paid.

[Nautilus]

Very impressive research, thank you AK.

[19teenporn]

Awesome AK, keep the good work.

[adultmobile]

I wonder one thing here:

http://business.avn.com/articles/leg...ds-480346.html

"Navarro did grant a request by Oron that PayPal be allowed to continue processing payments for Oron.com, as long as Oron not be allowed to withdraw any of the funds while the court's TRO remains in effect."
"Defendant asks this Court to release EUR 71.736,22 before July 1, 2012 from its PayPal account and to release EUR 277.109,07 before July 9, 2012 from its PayPal account in order to pay its third party provider LeaseWeb B.V"

Why PayPal would continue processing payments for Oron (or any other merchant) after as a Judge freezes its assets? PayPal does not process for legal adult sites, eventually they will never admit it, but they think file sharing it is so popular (even openly, see pirate parties getting votes in Germany, and no any parent afraid if kids download disney movies), and so not damaging the PayPal brand as it is porn.
In other words, my impression it is that PayPal will more likely drop file lockers if voices they support porn (illegal or not), more than pirated content.

[VenusBlogger]

It's funny that your facebook group has all hot girls pics avatars...

LOL, classic 1000+ indian fake followers bought at black hat world.

Just sayin. Looks very fake:

http://stopfilelockers.com/

PIRIOD.

[xenigo]

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

It's funny that your facebook group has all hot girls pics avatars...

LOL, classic 1000+ indian fake followers bought at black hat world.

Just sayin. Looks very fake:

http://stopfilelockers.com/

PIRIOD.

LOL

Good catch. They are all fake. They all have the same friends, and they all have identical music, books, television, and game preferences. What are the chances?

[JimmyStephans]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

I wonder one thing here:

http://business.avn.com/articles/leg...ds-480346.html

"Navarro did grant a request by Oron that PayPal be allowed to continue processing payments for Oron.com, as long as Oron not be allowed to withdraw any of the funds while the court's TRO remains in effect."
"Defendant asks this Court to release EUR 71.736,22 before July 1, 2012 from its PayPal account and to release EUR 277.109,07 before July 9, 2012 from its PayPal account in order to pay its third party provider LeaseWeb B.V"

Why PayPal would continue processing payments for Oron (or any other merchant) after as a Judge freezes its assets? PayPal does not process for legal adult sites, eventually they will never admit it, but they think file sharing it is so popular (even openly, see pirate parties getting votes in Germany, and no any parent afraid if kids download disney movies), and so not damaging the PayPal brand as it is porn.
In other words, my impression it is that PayPal will more likely drop file lockers if voices they support porn (illegal or not), more than pirated content.

I have been reading all the court documents on this and seen everything thats been filed (its all available on RFCEpress.com, but I will post later.

I think that the PayPal thing is a bluff from Oron to the Lawyers. I don't think these lawyers, based on what they state in papers, really know Oron.com's business model and I am under the impression that they thought PayPal was processing but its wasn't. I think that stopped back in January when Megaupload case started.

Any, just my opinion... that the Oron lawyers are not experienced and informed as they should be, and that the Liberty lawyers know this business very well.

I got all the court docs and will post links a bit later.

[VenusBlogger]

Originally Posted by xenigo

LOL

Good catch. They are all fake. They all have the same friends, and they all have identical music, books, television, and game preferences. What are the chances?

that AUSSIE guy must be doing like 10K per month only with DATING EWHORING in FACEBOOK...

90% of males are quite dumb in that social network and use it to "TRY" to get LAID off FAKE Profiles.

[xenigo]

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

that AUSSIE guy must be doing like 10K per month only with DATING EWHORING in FACEBOOK...

90% of males are quite dumb in that social network and use it to "TRY" to get LAID off FAKE Profiles.

I've gotten laid off of fake profiles. About 3 years ago I met this chick from Yahoo Personals... ended up marrying her. I'm still fairly certain she's going to post some shit on my Facebook wall about wanting me to join her paysite or something...

[longdongsilver]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

You seem intent on derailing this. What you don't understand that this project has oversight by very good lawyers and my resources are considerable enough to defend any issues. Truth is a defence to defamation in Australia, so there is no problem.

"my resources are considerable enough to defend any issues" --- a blog with some fake facebook likes you purchased ??? is this to what you refer???

You continue to sound like a total moron.

Where did you buy your facebook likes from?? demand a refund at once.

People are not trying to derail you, you're on track to becoming a total laughing stock to anyone with the slightest shred of sense.

Stop going on about yourself, your private school 'old tie network' of powerful friends and being hatched out in Australia. None of these things are remarkable and some of them most would be ashamed of.

Your complete personality is toe curling.

Tubes are the issue, many people are telling you this, if you close every file locker (not you personally since i have little faith in some self important childlike egomaniac ) but if everyone one was closed will make litte to no difference to adult webmasters in terms of sales.

If you are disgusted by CP then you need to get to the real culprits, filelockers need to be make to report and trace these people along with email groups, news groups etc etc.

Any online form of storage can be a target for these kind of people, i do not agree with you that slamming any business that has had this uploaded to their service needs to be closed down because you say so.

Don't make a blog with your step by step plan of how to avoid getting closed down, and the persons name at paypal you want fired for bringing into question why they would discuss this kind of thing with a person like yourself.

[johnnyloadproductions]

Originally Posted by longdongsilver

"my resources are considerable enough to defend any issues" --- a blog with some fake facebook likes you purchased ??? is this to what you refer???

You continue to sound like a total moron.

Where did you buy your facebook likes from?? demand a refund at once.

People are not trying to derail you, you're on track to becoming a total laughing stock to anyone with the slightest shred of sense.

Stop going on about yourself, your private school 'old tie network' of powerful friends and being hatched out in Australia. None of these things are remarkable and some of them most would be ashamed of.

Your complete personality is toe curling.

Tubes are the issue, many people are telling you this, if you close every file locker (not you personally since i have little faith in some self important childlike egomaniac ) but if everyone one was closed will make litte to no difference to adult webmasters in terms of sales.

If you are disgusted by CP then you need to get to the real culprits, filelockers need to be make to report and trace these people along with email groups, news groups etc etc.

Any online form of storage can be a target for these kind of people, i do not agree with you that slamming any business that has had this uploaded to their service needs to be closed down because you say so.

Don't make a blog with your step by step plan of how to avoid getting closed down, and the persons name at paypal you want fired for bringing into question why they would discuss this kind of thing with a person like yourself.

taking down file lockers is a reasonable goal and the abuse isn't exclusive to our industry which means making friends in mainstream to help win the fight is possible.

Simply stated, file lockers allow huge quantities of illegal porn to be archived, loads of media content from both porn producers and mainstream movie makers.

People don't care usually if something doesn't effect them. It doesn't help if someone derails a piracy thread saying that their stuff is micro niche therefore nobody looks at it except keywords in the search engine or how large the files are in the members are to discourage any downloaders from uploading.
Mainstream producers could care less about the tubes that effect us so severely but file lockers they care about.

Like anything else, argument can only make sense to a certain extent with individuals before you need to back away because your time is spent better else where, like taking action.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

It's funny that your facebook group has all hot girls pics avatars...

LOL, classic 1000+ indian fake followers bought at black hat world.

Just sayin. Looks very fake:

http://stopfilelockers.com/

PIRIOD.

It happened on both sites almost as soon as I placed the Facebook page social tool onto the sites, I am guessing this (like the DDOS attacks) was meant to discredit the site. If someone wan't to volunteer to remove them all (there are some real followers amongst them) then please step forward, because I have more important things to do.

The real fans of the two pages will see the posts and reply to them, the fake indian made profiles will just sit there and do nothing until their accounts progressively get closed off by facebook.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by longdongsilver

"my resources are considerable enough to defend any issues" --- a blog with some fake facebook likes you purchased ??? is this to what you refer???

You continue to sound like a total moron.

Obvious file locker supporter is obvious. Both pages set up got hundreds of likes the moment they were placed onto the respective websites, like the DDOS attacks we received it was just another way for the disgruntled uploaders (who are about to lose their income) to discredit the sites.

As stated above, if you want to volunteer to weed out the fake from real profiles who have liked the page then please feel free.