Caliporno, odessum, Tam

[xavi]

Since this guys will to bring this to the "public" then this is what happend:

1- this guy Odessum get his performers to work with me, he was supposed to get pay a flate rate for each one of her perfomers, good i agree on that. So this nice and good performers starts from the begining to tell the customers to not spend money on my site and instead of this to go for a dutch site called islive.com, and this where happening from the day #1.

So i get in touch with this guy and told him to conduct her girls,and he was like ohh yes i didnt know im not right now in the country im on vacations will talk with the manager bla bla bla, that didnt happend and the girls keep doing the same, so this was happend like 3 times, so the customer start to send emails complaining about this situation he have from several girls, so i start to check the chat logs and i saw that this was happening with other customers, so i simple didnt pay you for that, you didnt get pay and you wont get pay.

there was another girl asking this customer for money and he told me right away, so i let him know to please get his money back and to send her my phone, im still have every single line of this girl asking me for $2500 and telling to not go to my site and that she was told by you to tell this to the customers, so this is called, playing your game.

Your not getting pay so go get your shit with you and your dutch website back to the cave.
It was stated from the begining and i was very light on this situation with you ut you obviously didnt care about that so yes your not getting anything from me.
Regardint the fake performers there where banned thank you for the advice ;)



in another line. Tam, you where doing a great job here but everything just turn in the wrong way, however i know what o owed you, and i believe your one of the best persons i have meet over here.

Now caliporno its not the dead, i simple wotn deal with this kinda of situation, instead of that will use another way to get this site working.

Note: my english sucks sorry!!!!!!

Buenos dias a todos!!

[Odessum]

Lol,

Caliporno is dead...as it was before !

That guy is just a lying prik, jerking for free on our girls...

Gave me 2 "payment-proofs", of course payment never came...

In short > too crappy to spend words on !

Hasta la vista Fat Jerky !

[xavi]

Originally Posted by Odessum

Lol,

Caliporno is dead...as it was before !

That guy is just a lying prik, jerking for free on our girls...

Gave me 2 "payment-proofs", of course payment never came...

In short > too crappy to spend words on !

Hasta la vista Fat Jerky !

Yes it never comes and it won't come, this was "playing your game"

now i have to take my coffe Good luck.

[TeenCat]

look i am naked again

[Klen]

Originally Posted by TeenCat

look i am naked again

Well dress up then

[iSpyCams]

I don't see why you are messing around for models in Romania when you live in Colombia. Do you import coffee from Eastern Europe too? Go outside, look around. Deal with people you can supervise.

[sarettah]

OP, you should NOT combine a thread calling out one person and praising another. It should be 2 single threads otherwise it gets confusing as hell.

Originally Posted by xavi

in another line. Tam, you where doing a great job here but everything just turn in the wrong way

It doesn't appear to me that you gave this whole thing much time to come together properly. Were you expecting to be in the black immediately or something? That is a very unreasonable expectation with any type of site.

, however i know what o owed you

Fuck that, pay her You said she was doing a great job but you are sitting here owing her money?

Don't start out your rep in this industry owing every body. It will follow you forever and none of your programs will have a shot at success.

, and i believe your one of the best persons i have meet over here.

Yeah, you show your appreciation in a funny way it would seem to me. You don't do native english well, you needed a front person, you had an experienced front person on board which was probably 1 of the only right moves you made in this "project" and then you let her go?

OP, you need to get your shit together I think.

Just my two cents.

[xavi]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

I don't see why you are messing around for models in Romania when you live in Colombia. Do you import coffee from Eastern Europe too? Go outside, look around. Deal with people you can supervise.

i do, but most of the ones that i get in touch are working with 4-5 sites at the same time, so im looking for somenthing more exclusive and getting hands on my own studio here, also trying to get in touch with grupo bedoya.being living here for about 4 months so you can figured out its hard to find those studios here .

[10 Inch Dick]

Cat fight?

[xavi]

Originally Posted by sarettah

OP, you should NOT combine a thread calling out one person and praising another. It should be 2 single threads otherwise it gets confusing as hell.



It doesn't appear to me that you gave this whole thing much time to come together properly. Were you expecting to be in the black immediately or something? That is a very unreasonable expectation with any type of site.



Fuck that, pay her You said she was doing a great job but you are sitting here owing her money?

Don't start out your rep in this industry owing every body. It will follow you forever and none of your programs will have a shot at success.



Yeah, you show your appreciation in a funny way it would seem to me. You don't do native english well, you needed a front person, you had an experienced front person on board which was probably 1 of the only right moves you made in this "project" and then you let her go?

OP, you need to get your shit together I think.

Just my two cents.

she didnt go to anywhere and i dont own her money... probably you get the thinks the wrong way but no i dont own her money

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by xavi

she didnt go to anywhere and i dont own her money... probably you get the thinks the wrong way but no i dont own her money

Well, if you do not owe her then good for you and I apoloize for bringing that up.

As far as her not going anywhere. It sure looked to me (and probably a bunch of other folks) like she was looking around which usually means that someone has already left a company or is going to leave a company pretty quick.

I got the idea that you owed her from what you posted:

Originally Posted by xavi

in another line. Tam, you where doing a great job here but everything just turn in the wrong way, however i know what o owed you

So, not sure what you meant there if you don't owe her any money.

Oh well.

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[xavi]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Well, if you do not owe her then good for you and I apoloize for bringing that up.

As far as her not going anywhere. It sure looked to me (and probably a bunch of other folks) like she was looking around which usually means that someone has already left a company or is going to leave a company pretty quick.

I got the idea that you owed her from what you posted:



So, not sure what you meant there if you don't owe her any money.

Oh well.

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i own her in a personal way. but not money

[LatinCams]

Originally Posted by xavi

i do, but most of the ones that i get in touch are working with 4-5 sites at the same time, so im looking for somenthing more exclusive and getting hands on my own studio here, also trying to get in touch with grupo bedoya.being living here for about 4 months so you can figured out its hard to find those studios here .

Hit me up whenever you like and lets talk byz ;)

[SongRider]

Originally Posted by xavi

i own her in a personal way. but not money

Your fucking game is getting old

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by xavi

i own her in a personal way. but not money

oh. well that don't pay no bills you know.

If she is still working for you then why was she out here trying to sell her sig? If she has done a great job (as you say) and you feel you owe her (personally) how come you aren't stepping up and making sure she is taken care of?

You trying to become the "Walmart" or "McDonalds" of the adult cam biz or something?

This thread tells me that you still have a hell of a lot to learn about running a business.

just my of course.

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[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by xavi

i own her in a personal way. but not money

Speak Spanish?

I owe her = Yo la debo.
I own her = Soy su dueño.

Kind of a huge difference.

[Odessum]

Stop messing around, you are just a Columbian dreaming to score quick on the back of our girls...
The only client they saw converting was himself playing different roles.
Cheap software, cheap models (if you not pay them) and cheap lies > he used Viber to trick a model to say "yes, ok, send me the money" to have an excuse to not pay us...
> after 3 weeks and 2 fake payment-proofs and a lot of crap !

Lost case for us but we will get over it, but you...you lost ! See ?

This bizz does not need jerks like you, fatsy ! Get lost for ever !

[Odessum]

You trying to become the "Walmart" or "McDonalds" of the adult cam biz or something?

yeah right with a Modena-soft-package of 2000 euro, LOL

He is full of crap, has a lot of time to mess around and will leave some gaps in people's wallet from all his shit...

Lesson learned : always payment in front if the deal is "flat-fee"...and surely not accept fake payment-proof-jpg's...LOL

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Odessum

Stop messing around, you are just a Columbian dreaming to score quick on the back of our girls...
The only client they saw converting was himself playing different roles.
Cheap software, cheap models (if you not pay them) and cheap lies > he used Viber to trick a model to say "yes, ok, send me the money" to have an excuse to not pay us...

Did you have your girls promoting other sites from inside his site? If that was going on then you are in the wrong. Doesn't matter if there was no traffic, shills, etc. You are wrong.


He may be wrong also if you did not get paid as agreed, etc. But the old adage of two wrongs not equaling a right still stands.

Originally Posted by Odessum

You trying to become the "Walmart" or "McDonalds" of the adult cam biz or something?

I was referring to the fact that here in the US there is a lot of noise about Walmarts and McDonalds employees having to go on welfare to make ends meet because of the low pay involved. I was not referring to the size of the operation. Sorry for the misunderstanding.


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[xavi]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Did you have your girls promoting other sites from inside his site? If that was going on then you are in the wrong. Doesn't matter if there was no traffic, shills, etc. You are wrong.


He may be wrong also if you did not get paid as agreed, etc. But the old adage of two wrongs not equaling a right still stands.






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Dont mind the guy, and is not the first time this guy have problems with other start up sites.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by xavi

Dont mind the guy, and is not the first time this guy have problems with other start up sites.

I won't mind him. However I am still waiting for you to reply as to why Tam is having to scrape by (selling sig, etc) if she is still with you, has done a good job for you and you feel that you personally owe her?

How come you aren't making sure she is happy so she sticks around?

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[sarettah]

Ok, just a bump to keep this near the top until Xavi answers up.

I have to go do some actual work ;(

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[Manfap]

Originally Posted by Odessum

Fat Jerky !

That is a spectacular insult!

[iSpyCams]

Yes there's not really any excuse not to pay your models. If they fuck up fire them, but pay them anyway. If they were onsite employees there's no labor board in the world that will let you get away with not paying for their time.

I guess that's a good reason not to work with locals, if you don't intend to pay then you want your models as far away as possible.

[TeenCat]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Well dress up then

oops, i have been naked just because of you

[xavi]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

Yes there's not really any excuse not to pay your models. If they fuck up fire them, but pay them anyway. If they were onsite employees there's no labor board in the world that will let you get away with not paying for their time.

I guess that's a good reason not to work with locals, if you don't intend to pay then you want your models as far away as possible.

i caught him from the first day, yes theres nothing to be pay, and its not the first time the guy do the same.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by xavi

i caught him from the first day, yes theres nothing to be pay, and its not the first time the guy do the same.

1. If you agreed to a flat rate payment then you would owe the money. Just imho of course?

2. Now, you going to answer up about why it does not appear that you are taking care of your employees?

Thanks in advance.

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[ottopottomouse]

The curse of strikes again.

[xavi]

Originally Posted by sarettah

1. If you agreed to a flat rate payment then you would owe the money. Just imho of course?

2. Now, you going to answer up about why it does not appear that you are taking care of your employees?

Thanks in advance.

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Yes and he was under a contract and i have warned him 3 times, ignoring my own guidelines on the contract just being light on the situation, first he one of his girls where fired, but that never happend and this girl where doing the same, so i had to do his job by my own, and this happend to every single girl right over there, the answer of all this problem was allwas: "im on vacations out of the country will tallk with the guy in charge", that didnt happend but he suddenly get back to his vacations ounce i told him that he was ban from the site without getting pay, it was stated from the begining and yes its not the first time he do the same to other sites and its not the first time that he dont get pay for his "wonderful work" now im not sure why did you come over here yelling, since i really dont know who you are or so on, so if you really have somenthing your good to go russell.

[xavi]

[
2. Now, you going to answer up about why it does not appear that you are taking care of your employees?

Thanks in advance.

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to answer you this, then wait for tam she will give you more details in a couple of hours im 100% sure about that.

[CDSmith]

Seems like only a few weeks ago this Xavi person was being praised up the wazoo for being 'the savior', ...oh wait, it was:

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1150178

Now this.

Does Tam still have a job or what?

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by xavi

i caught him from the first day, yes theres nothing to be pay, and its not the first time the guy do the same.

And you allowed them to continue working? Knowing you weren't going to pay them? That's pretty fucked but I gotta say, it's guys like you that make me stand out in a good way, all I do is pay my fucking bills and I'm a damn hero cause guys like you don't.

[xavi]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

And you allowed them to continue working? Knowing you weren't going to pay them? That's pretty fucked but I gotta say, it's guys like you that make me stand out in a good way, all I do is pay my fucking bills and I'm a damn hero cause guys like you don't.

no, he didnt continue working, this was done in 48 hours, he being yelling for 3 weeks to get pay somenthing that its not going to happend

[xavi]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

And you allowed them to continue working? Knowing you weren't going to pay them? That's pretty fucked but I gotta say, it's guys like you that make me stand out in a good way, all I do is pay my fucking bills and I'm a damn hero cause guys like you don't.

oh and this is out of the topic but yes i remember you trying to take tam to work with you, remember? yes she told me about your ispycams site and your intention to take her or did i read wrong? probably my english is not soo good

and i really want to continue with you but that will be in other time not today.

[xavi]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Seems like only a few weeks ago this Xavi person was being praised up the wazoo for being 'the savior', ...oh wait, it was:

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1150178

Now this.

Does Tam still have a job or what?

shes not working with me right now, but that doesnt means i owed her anything, but those reasons are out of the boards and topic.

[Odessum]

He will not answer you...in fact he just ignores facts and speaks about contracts, LOL...
He was so desperate he approved the models without having signed contracts...professional i might say )))

BTW Am 12y in same bizz without any problems hunny...you should read posts good !!!

Anyway, indeed it is useless with people like this.

Agreement was payment per week (because flat rate and "empty site")
after the first week i start asking about the money > he provided me with a fake proof
(anybody who wants can ask me, i will mail it)

As I got that one, I let the girls continue...After the second week ended, I got again a fake proof of payment and argues about first...(it was coming...lol)

By the end of the third week, he knew i would put them offline, so he started to provoke a model and offer her a WU of 2000 euro (in your earlier post you mix you stupid fatass, you put 2500 euro) He came on skype and opened cam to show me the conversation on his phone > why his phone ? how he could have this on his phone ? > because it was himself ! LOL > have of course the conversation from our model's girls also !!!
He sent her message with MTCN, name Anthony Chambers, Columbia, LOL...

Well, all the mud he now throws is of course bla bla cause if a site-owner isn't happy from day 1, you just put the model(s) offline, right ?

Why it took almost 3 weeks ? Cause we were patient almost 3 weeks, right ?
But of course, the mistake is mine...believing his blabla...

And our models Xavi...are paid, if not, you cannot be in bizz 12y, see my boy ?

So please...go jerk for free on myfreecams or so ok ?

(I was plan to ddos the site flat to the ground, but no need, cause no models...)

Conclusion : no money, no honey

You ow me 7500 euro and that stands...

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by xavi

oh and this is out of the topic but yes i remember you trying to take tam to work with you, remember? yes she told me about your ispycams site and your intention to take her or did i read wrong? probably my english is not soo good

and i really want to continue with you but that will be in other time not today.

Just reviewed that convo with Tam, I actually told her to keep my contact handy but specifically mentioned I couldn't afford to take anyone on at the moment. I am not really sure what that has to do with anything at all though or why it would be any of your concern either way.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by xavi

now im not sure why did you come over here yelling, since i really dont know who you are or so on, so if you really have somenthing your good to go russell.

First, I have not yelled at all. I have asked a couple of questions. I was all set to promote your cams from a bunch of page 1 results, all good cam terms. Not a super amount of traffic, just a couple of thousand uniques a day. I was just waiting for your programmer to tell me the xml feeds are ready. So, i do have a definite interest in who I am doing business with.

You say you don't know me but then you address me by my first name? That supposed to be some scary tactic? Ewww... I know who you are, you better watch out? or something like that?

Use it on someone who cares, it is wasted on me.

Originally Posted by xavi

2. Now, you going to answer up about why it does not appear that you are taking care of your employees?

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to answer you this, then wait for tam she will give you more details in a couple of hours im 100% sure about that.

I will see what happens.

Originally Posted by xavi

shes not working with me right now, but that doesnt means i owed her anything, but those reasons are out of the boards and topic.

Your handling of your current situation has made it look like Tam fucked up somewhere but when I read this thread it sounds more like you fucked up. Where are these threads with all the "reasons". I am familiar with most of the threads involving cam companies and I do not remember seeing any reasons any where. I did see Tam's sig sale thread and did not see anything there. I did see her deflecting rather than answering anything directly. She sure as hell did not throw you under the bus in any way shape or form.

Also saw her bitch thread and didn't see anything there either?

So, where are these threads with the reasons that she is no longer with you (even though you stated earlier that she was with you, guess that was just a little white lie, eh?)

I wait with bated breath for your illumination of these matters. ;p

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[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by xavi

no, he didnt continue working, this was done in 48 hours, he being yelling for 3 weeks to get pay somenthing that its not going to happend

I have been watching your site since I noticed it looks exactly like mine, and 48 hours is not even close to correct. You have had 4 models on nearly 24/7 since at least the 10th of this month.

If they have been breaking rules since day 1, why did it take you till day 19 and a payment dispute to catch them?

Once again, thanks for making me look good.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by xavi

oh and this is out of the topic but yes i remember you trying to take tam to work with you, remember? yes she told me about your ispycams site and your intention to take her or did i read wrong? probably my english is not soo good

Wow, you are just trying to make all sorts of friends today? Aren't you?

Originally Posted by Pompousjohn

I have been watching your site since I noticed it looks exactly like mine, and 48 hours is not even close to correct. You have had 4 models on nearly 24/7 since at least the 10th of this month.

Holy shit, I just looked and one of those 2 sites is a straight rip of the other. PJ, I assume your site was there first? Why have you not called out their "Rogue Designer" on this shit? They are even using the same graphics on the affiliate signup and the model signup.

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[L-Pink]

WTF? 40 posts and 12Clicks isn't here yet telling the two broke ass peasants to stop arguing about nickels.

[Odessum]

is the cheapest version of Modenacam dot com Just changed the name/logo...

So all the shit about programmers etc..blabla...

I contacted the owner of Modena and he was also not to speak about this bulldog...

He ows a lot of people and after those 3 weeks spending on our girls on his own site...also Visa I guess )))

[Odessum]

Exactly L-Pink...

It's enough, you are right !

Peanuts, well for the models 300 euro is not really peanuts !!!

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Wow, you are just trying to make all sorts of friends today? Aren't you?




Holy shit, I just looked and one of those 2 sites is a straight rip of the other. PJ, I assume your site was there first? Why have you not called out their "Rogue Designer" on this shit? They are even using the same graphics on the affiliate signup and the model signup.

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I don't think anybody ripped anyone, or I would have been freaking out previously. My site went live in July 2012 so it was def. first, but there isn't a hugely intuitive templating system. I had a designer customize my site a little, which may be the only reason it isn't straight pixel for pixel identical cause it looks like the other is using an out of the box default. I have a new design supposed to be released "this weekend" for the last 8 weekends or so. Designers, lol. What can you really do?

[Odessum]

We were ripped !

[CurrentlySober]

Purrrr????

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

I don't think anybody ripped anyone, or I would have been freaking out previously. My site went live in July 2012 so it was def. first, but there isn't a hugely intuitive templating system. I had a designer customize my site a little, which may be the only reason it isn't straight pixel for pixel identical cause it looks like the other is using an out of the box default. I have a new design supposed to be released "this weekend" for the last 8 weekends or so. Designers, lol. What can you really do?

Ah, ok. So that is a Modena template. I did not realize that.

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[DWB]

I'm here for the Caliphate خلافة.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by DWB

I'm here for the Caliphate خلافة.

Lol. That made me think of CaliPhat as a domain name. But the com is taken, I am 2 days late ;p

Domain Name: CALIPHAT.COM
Registrar: GODADDY.COM, LLC
Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Updated Date: 27-sep-2014
Creation Date: 27-sep-2014
Expiration Date: 27-sep-2016

[klinton]

los cabrones sin fronteras, series de tv, directamente de la Colombia