It just works.

[Sly]

Today I bought my first iMac.

Set up was a breeze, very quick.

Installing programs is strange. The process of dragging the icon to the Applications folder makes little sense to me. That is an extra step that I do not see the need for. Also installing programs that are not "verified" is a pain in the ass, I'm guessing this is one reason so many people have a virus free experience with a Mac, it's difficult to download unapproved software.

The lack of scrollbars is strange as well. Is this something I can add? I often use scrollbars as a "gauge" to see how much content is in a window. I already ran into an instance a few times where I could not find an icon because I did not realize there were more icons off of the screen.

So far all of the software that I have needed has had a Mac version except TextPad, which I have replaced with Sublime Text 3 and Brackets anyway. I do need a good FTP client though, suggestions?

I will say that I am impressed with the speakers. Right now I am on the other side of my office with Spotify playing on my iMac and it seems as if the speakers are right in front of me.

All in all, good experience so far. Will take some time getting used to the differences, the File navigation system has already gotten me a few times. And the kid at the Apple store was 100% insistent on calling the 6 Plus Bendgate snafu "a feature, which you should sort of expect since the phone is so light and thin." LOL, too much Kool-Aid.

[MrBottomTooth]

You be gay nigga

[dicknipples]

The dragging to applications folder to install isn't really to install it, it's just to put it in a unified area, you can open any application located anywhere, once you unzip it, it's installed.

Regarding scrollbars, not sure, I just got used to not noticing them or caring for them.

Regarding FTP Transmit from Panic is what you want.

[DeanCapture]

Congrats Sly! I switched over to Mac about 5 years ago and couldn't be happier. Yea, there's a small learning curve but once you get over it, you're good to go.

One thing that helped me when I was learning about Macs was a course from Lynda.com for people converting from Windows to Mac. Here's a similar program that would get you up to speed in no time: Mac OS Essential Training

Hit me up anytime if you have any issues or questions - glad to help!!!

[freecartoonporn]

shame you kind take your imac to starbucks, next time get macbook .
</troll>

[VikingMan]

If you bought apple care you will be very happy. Every time I have called I am impressed with the knowledge and professionalism of those support agents. You can still buy applecare I think up to like 2 weeks past your purchase date of your computer

[Mutt]

Congrats, an iMac is a great machine for newbs like you!

[JD]

For FTP get Transmit.

[nico-t]

It just works.

well it should fucking work, since you bought it brand new... Christ, even their slogan sucks ass!

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Mutt

Congrats, an iMac is a great machine for newbs like you!

Apple stuff is popular because they are easy to set up even for the dumbest customers. But any advanced user gets annoyed by the limitations (some of them described in OP).

[Sly]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Apple stuff is popular because they are easy to set up even for the dumbest customers. But any advanced user gets annoyed by the limitations (some of them described in OP).

Actually I just took care of all of the things I complained about in the first post.

Look at that. An advanced PC and Mac user, who would have imagined!

[DeanCapture]

Originally Posted by Sly

Look at that. An advanced PC and Mac user, who would have imagined!

[DBS.US]

Originally Posted by Sly

The lack of scrollbars is strange as well. Is this something I can add?

http://osxdaily.com/2011/08/03/show-...mac-os-x-lion/

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Sly

Actually I just took care of all of the things I complained about in the first post.

Look at that. An advanced PC and Mac user, who would have imagined!

Your words - pain in the ass. They over complicate many things so that dumb users would be happy. While advanced users get that pain in the ass at quite a few occasions. Not that they can not take care of that.

[dicknipples]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Apple stuff is popular because they are easy to set up even for the dumbest customers. But any advanced user gets annoyed by the limitations (some of them described in OP).

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Your words - pain in the ass. They over complicate many things so that dumb users would be happy. While advanced users get that pain in the ass at quite a few occasions. Not that they can not take care of that.

How long have you used a Mac? How long ago was the last time you used a Mac?

I have 10 years experience as a Windows user, up until Windows 7. Then I switched to Linux using Ubuntu. Then I went to Mac since Snow Leopard.

I am an advanced as fuck user of all 3 operating systems. I have never in my life felt Mac was worse than Windows... Actually quite the opposite.

[ErectMedia]

Congrats on your Superior classy device with high resale value.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Bowser Koopa

I am an advanced as fuck user of all 3 operating systems. I have never in my life felt Mac was worse than Windows... Actually quite the opposite.

I never said worse, I said limited with "pains in the ass" taht OP mentioned, eg. "closed system" related issues and so on. You can call it "dumbed down and simplified OS" to suit the most novice users.

[dicknipples]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

I never said worse, I said limited with "pains in the ass" taht OP mentioned, eg. "closed system" related issues and so on. You can call it "dumbed down and simplified OS" to suit the most novice users.

Apple is far from a "closed system". I can install any program I want on it, just like Linux and Windows.

[Marcus]

Funny I just bought my first Mac yesterday, a Macbook Pro, I got the retina.
They offer a 1 on 1 for $99 where they will teach you EVERYTHING on a mac for a year, anytime you want.
I bought it, so if I want to learn the mac, Garageband, iMovie, etc I can go in anytime I want.
I recommend the option if you're interested. I hope I like my new Mac

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Marcus

Funny I just bought my first Mac yesterday, a Macbook Pro, I got the retina.
They offer a 1 on 1 for $99 where they will teach you EVERYTHING on a mac for a year, anytime you want.
I bought it, so if I want to learn the mac, Garageband, iMovie, etc I can go in anytime I want.
I recommend the option if you're interested. I hope I like my new Mac

I like to break things myself. Helps me learn.

I'm already breaking my current iMac. Despite what some think, they seem to break just fine.

[Marcus]

FYI on "It just works" slogan, I love my iPhone and iPad but they have crashed many times, just as much as my Windows machines have. And Just yesterday I was driving with a friend to find some place and Apple maps led us totally on the wrong path. I switched over to Google maps app and that got us where we needed to go quickly.

So while Apple machines are high quality they are far from superior to Microsoft and don't deserve the smugness they give themselves, but the software program I need for my business will only run on a Mac and they have me by the balls.
Well played Steve Jobs.

So I may as well buy it and enjoy it.

[MPGdevil]

iphone 6 camera not working

Uh oh..

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Sly

Today I bought my first iMac.

Set up was a breeze, very quick.

Installing programs is strange. The process of dragging the icon to the Applications folder makes little sense to me. That is an extra step that I do not see the need for. Also installing programs that are not "verified" is a pain in the ass, I'm guessing this is one reason so many people have a virus free experience with a Mac, it's difficult to download unapproved software.

The lack of scrollbars is strange as well. Is this something I can add? I often use scrollbars as a "gauge" to see how much content is in a window. I already ran into an instance a few times where I could not find an icon because I did not realize there were more icons off of the screen.

So far all of the software that I have needed has had a Mac version except TextPad, which I have replaced with Sublime Text 3 and Brackets anyway. I do need a good FTP client though, suggestions?

I will say that I am impressed with the speakers. Right now I am on the other side of my office with Spotify playing on my iMac and it seems as if the speakers are right in front of me.

All in all, good experience so far. Will take some time getting used to the differences, the File navigation system has already gotten me a few times. And the kid at the Apple store was 100% insistent on calling the 6 Plus Bendgate snafu "a feature, which you should sort of expect since the phone is so light and thin." LOL, too much Kool-Aid.

Hi Sly,

First congrats on your purchase. You will absolutely love it. The OS is similar to windows but different at the same time, but getting used to it is quick and effortless. Pretty soon you will wonder why you didn't get one of these sooner.

One thing you may want to do is invert your mouse scrolling. By default, the mouse scroll direction is set to "natural" which is upside-down from the Windows default. I found this "unnatural" and ended up turning this feature off. To do it, click the System Preferences icon (The gears) in your toolbar, then MOUSE, then POINT AND CLICK. While there, you may also want to check out "More Gestures". The Apple mouse, while small for my hand, is freaking fantastic. Multi-touch gestures are surprisingly useful.

Also: Consider getting the Apple Wiresless Trackpad. It doesn't replace your mouse but it is very useful for navigation and scrolling and extremely comfortable to use.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Marcus

FYI on "It just works" slogan, I love my iPhone and iPad but they have crashed many times, just as much as my Windows machines have. And Just yesterday I was driving with a friend to find some place and Apple maps led us totally on the wrong path. I switched over to Google maps app and that got us where we needed to go quickly.

So while Apple machines are high quality they are far from superior to Microsoft and don't deserve the smugness they give themselves, but the software program I need for my business will only run on a Mac and they have me by the balls.
Well played Steve Jobs.

So I may as well buy it and enjoy it.

LOL, yeah, it's a silly belief really. Like I said, the kid at the Apple store was absolutely convinced that paying $1000 for a Plus and having it bend was something you should expect because it's so thin. Had a difficult time containing myself.

They are all tools. You get out what you put in. I wanted it for music production, a lot of music production packages are Mac only or catered towards the Mac. I'm finding the development tools to be really cool as well though.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Your words - pain in the ass. They over complicate many things so that dumb users would be happy. While advanced users get that pain in the ass at quite a few occasions. Not that they can not take care of that.

I strongly disagree. If anything, its the Microsoft Windows OS that is over complicated for nothing. To make matters worse though, alot of PC makers such as HP, pile on tons of useless software that load during the boot-up process, making things even worse.

I Love Love LOVE my iMacs.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Bowser Koopa

Apple is far from a "closed system". I can install any program I want on it, just like Linux and Windows.

...you forgot: You can even install Windows! And even better, you can run Windows and OSX at the same time. And even even better better, you can run Windows "in a window" of OSX, and it runs perfectly.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by **********

alot of PC makers such as HP, pile on tons of useless software that load during the boot-up process, making things even worse.

That's nothing new, I've owned an HP in the past, plus several other makes and models, and even my last custom build came with a bunch of programs pre-enabled. It's easily fixed though, by opening up the sys config utility (start-->'run'--->msconfig-->okay), going to the startup tab, and UNchecking everything listed there. Close, reboot, check the "don't remind me again" box once you're back at the desktop and you're good to go.

Takes less than two minutes.


Of course the odd program might have that annoying "re-enable to start menu" thing, in which case you have to open those particular programs and disable that feature, then repeat the sys config process once again and problem solved --- clean startups.


My thinking is that if I want a program open I'll open it. Otherwise it doesn't need to be running. And there isn't a damn thing in anyone's start menu that NEEDS to be running. If it's something you want running like anti-virus then leave it. Otherwise uncheck everything.

I know there are other reasons to go with a Mac, but that isn't one of them.

[dicknipples]

Originally Posted by Marcus

but the software program I need for my business will only run on a Mac and they have me by the balls.
Well played Steve Jobs.

Unless it's Apple who built that software, then they do not have you by the balls. The company who built the software does. They're the ones who dictated what operating system you're required to use to run their programs.

[DeanCapture]

I use Mac because I enjoy the experience of using Mac.
Not because I think it's any better than any other OS.

That's the same reason I shoot Canon instead of Nikon or Sony or any other brand.
Because I enjoy the experience of using Canon and the results that I get.

Fuck the haters

[marketingpanda]

Yea Transmit from Panic FTW!!! Love it! Before I was using Filezilla.

[dicknipples]

Originally Posted by DeanCapture

I use Mac because I enjoy the experience of using Mac.
Not because I think it's any better than any other OS.

That's the same reason I shoot Canon instead of Nikon or Sony or any other brand.
Because I enjoy the experience of using Canon and the results that I get.

Fuck the haters

And that's all the reason you use what you use should be about. But Apple haters fail to understand that. It's their opinion is fact and that's that!

[seeric]

I'm never going back from Mac to PC.

Left PC about 7 years ago. Night and day work experience. I have one iMac with Parallels and some other software that I need for SEO that doesn't come on Mac, and Windows runs better on my Mac than I've ever had it run on a PC. God those things were chocked full of so much shit from the scummy deals that Microsuck made with all those installers.

I used to have a mantra with PCs. Buy it and blow it out! Completely reinstall the OS before using it once to remove all that garbage they try to shove down your throat.

I've never had a single instance with a Mac in 7 years that required me to go to a store, or have something repaired. It just works.

I wish I could say the same about PC.

To each their own, if you like PC great. I like Mac and I'm never going back.

[GAH]

I've yet to even start up a Windows machine, I've been Mac since early '90s. I do use the scrollbar option you queried, I can't get used to working without them, and I can't use the two-button mouse option that is available, it's set to one click only, that'll do for me. I have used Fetch as an FTP client since day one, it's the most simple I have found, all the others I have tried are discarded or hang around in the applications folder gathering dust.

One useful tip, to find all those hard-to-find characters like fractions, arrows, that sort of thing, is under Edit>Special Characters, and at the bottom, that is where you will find them. You can add extra sets by going to the cog at the top if you can't find what you want. Good luck, it's a short learning curve.

[PaperstreetWinston]

congrats, you are one cool person now ;)

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by MPGdevil

iphone 6 camera not working

Uh oh..

That's a software issue. And I only get it on the Apple Camera app. Close it, open it again and it works.

Originally Posted by Marcus

but the software program I need for my business will only run on a Mac and they have me by the balls.

No they don't. You can build or buy a number of machines that are capable of running OSX.

[edgeprod]

Originally Posted by Sly

Installing programs is strange. The process of dragging the icon to the Applications folder makes little sense to me. That is an extra step that I do not see the need for. Also installing programs that are not "verified" is a pain in the ass, I'm guessing this is one reason so many people have a virus free experience with a Mac, it's difficult to download unapproved software.

Maybe I can shed some light here. The "drag to the Applications folder" is an optional step that just makes organization easier. When you have the application folder somewhere on your local machine, it is "installed" and able to run. When you want to remove the program, you just drag its .app folder to the trash. Mac OS X masks the hierarchy of the program inside of a pretty little icon (that's what you're dragging). This completely replaces the "install" step on Windows. You just drag somewhere, and you're done. To me, that's easier.

As far as unverified sources, if you hold down CTRL and right-click, then select "Open" Mac OS X will treat the file as if it's from a verified source. If you trust that source, you're all set; there are no additional steps you have to take.

Happy Maccing, and drop me a Skype if you need any help or application suggestions.

[MPGdevil]

Originally Posted by candyflip

That's a software issue. And I only get it on the Apple Camera app. Close it, open it again and it works.

Yes their new iOS8 is a disaster.

[dicknipples]

Originally Posted by MPGdevil

Yes their new iOS8 is a disaster.

Because Windows hasn't ever had bugs after a release.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Bowser Koopa

Because Windows hasn't ever had bugs after a release.

People hate Windows 8 so much that they install a package so that it looks like Windows 7!

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by MPGdevil

Yes their new iOS8 is a disaster.

That is the only issue I had, and I had it on my iPhone 5. It has no shown it's face on the iPhone 6.

No issues here. My phone has been off of a power source for 2 hours now and is sitting at 98%

I have had no issues with OSX Yosemite and have been running it on my Macbook for a while now.

[dicknipples]

Originally Posted by Sly

People hate Windows 8 so much that they install a package so that it looks like Windows 7!

Which is absolutely funny when they say iOS or OS X has small bugs that are usually taken care of in days. All while Windows 8 has been out for how long before anything is fixed?

[SomeCreep]

Wait until you get the iPhone 6. It's amazing.

[MPGdevil]

Originally Posted by Bowser Koopa

Because Windows hasn't ever had bugs after a release.

Sure it has, but all the time we hear from iSheep "Go Apple, it just works".

[MPGdevil]

Originally Posted by candyflip

That is the only issue I had, and I had it on my iPhone 5. It has no shown it's face on the iPhone 6.

No issues here. My phone has been off of a power source for 2 hours now and is sitting at 98%

I have had no issues with OSX Yosemite and have been running it on my Macbook for a while now.

Glad you have no problems, but seems like others have plenty of troubles.

iOS 8.0.2 Did not fix BlueTooth issues!
Iphone 5s heating problem due ios 8 update
iPhone 5S getting incredibly hot and high battery usage after iOS 8 update
Brand new iphone 6 wont get past initial charging screen
iPhone 6 Battery Drain issue
Iphone 6 Battery Drain Bug (Found ?)
iPhone6 Plus keeps locking up
Wifi on iPhone 5s extremely slow after iOS 8 update
Anyone else sick and tired of the same old song and dance from Apple care? My brand new iPhone 6 freezes constantly
IOS 8.0.2 wifi issues
iphone 6 gyroscope problem
Defective Iphone 6 screens?
iPhone 6 BlueTooth issues with iOS8
why does my iphone 5s shut down with full battery?
iPhone 5s with ios 8.0.2 running slow, locking up. What is the fix?
iPhone 5 keeps crashing every 2-3 mins what can i do?
iPhone 5 camera issues black screen
iPhone 6: Apparent backlight uniformity issue
iPhone 6-Darkish band and off yellow color top of screen on white backgrounds.
Downloaded IOS8 and now my iPhone AND MacBook keep timing out. HELP!
iPhone 5 charging issues with IOS 8
headphone jack, earpiece, mics wont work iphone 6
No Sound on iPhone 4S after iOS 8 Upgrade
After update IOS 8 I phone 5 keep on disconecting from 3G/4G while switch over from WIFI.
Error message every time I update my phone, leaving my phone in recovery mode
IOS 8 is killing my IP 5 battery.
Contstantly have to reboot iphone 6 to obtain data connection
touch id not working after os 8 update(s), USA user
ios 8 battery drain issue and Bluetooth issues
Iphone 4S ios 8.0.2 can't make calls or texts
Apps won't start in iOS 8.0.2
IOS 8 on iPhone 4S: Phone will not charge while on
iPhone 6 plus crashes when I download, update or delete any apps
Iphone 4 camera failed after IOs update.
Iphone 5 back camera problem after update to IOS 8. Focus doesn't work on back camera!
iphone 4s vibrates for no reason after IOS8 update
Battery Drains in iOS 8.0.2 iPhone 5s
Iphone 5s IOS 8.02 Issues
iphone 5s stuck in recovery mode after 8.0.2
iphone 5s won't turn on after ios 8.0.2 update
Wifi connectivity issue in iso 8..!! Apple do something!

Apple iPhone support board just within 5 hours.

[carpocratian]

Apples tend to be a better fit for people who aren't "power users" or techies AND who use a limited range of software. The biggest drawback is that there isn't nearly as much software available for it as you can get for Windows, and very very limited free software.

Windows tends to be better than Mac for techies, power users, or others who like to be able to dig down under the surface of the OS. It's also good for people who use a wider range of software, enjoy free software, are gamers, or who don't want to spend extra money because the brand is marketed as a "status symbol" (even though Mac is only a status symbol among Mac users).

Linux (and the other -ixes) is a far more stable OS than Mac or Windows, lets you dig down deeper than any other, and is very popular among coders who work on Internet-based projects. The learning curve used to be steep, but more modern flavors are easier to learn. There is more free software available for it than on a Mac, but it can be harder to install than on either of the other two OSs, unless you are using one of the newer flavors.

[NaughtyRob]

Filezilla

And Brackets works on the Mac too of course.

Originally Posted by Sly

I do need a good FTP client though, suggestions?

[vdbucks]

Windows computers "just work" too. The only real difference between a Mac and a Windows computer (aside from the super inflation for the same or inferior hardware in Macs) is that Mac OS comes with all drivers for all hardware pre-installed.

Is it convenient? Sure. But you also have to consider that about 20% of the base system installation is for drivers your machine will never use.

But to suggest that "it just works" on that shiny new Mac suggests that Windows computers don't, and if that were the case then MS wouldn't be dominating the desktop OS market...

At the end of the day, there is no "best". On the hardware side, you just pay more for the same exact hardware (or less powerful) and on the software side it's just a matter of preference because each have their own strengths and weaknesses.

[vdbucks]

Originally Posted by NaughtyRob

Filezilla

And Brackets works on the Mac too of course.

Transmit > any other ftp program in existence.

[dicknipples]

Originally Posted by carpocratian

Apples tend to be a better fit for people who aren't "power users" or techies AND who use a limited range of software. The biggest drawback is that there isn't nearly as much software available for it as you can get for Windows, and very very limited free software.

Windows tends to be better than Mac for techies, power users, or others who like to be able to dig down under the surface of the OS. It's also good for people who use a wider range of software, enjoy free software, are gamers, or who don't want to spend extra money because the brand is marketed as a "status symbol" (even though Mac is only a status symbol among Mac users).

Linux (and the other -ixes) is a far more stable OS than Mac or Windows, lets you dig down deeper than any other, and is very popular among coders who work on Internet-based projects. The learning curve used to be steep, but more modern flavors are easier to learn. There is more free software available for it than on a Mac, but it can be harder to install than on either of the other two OSs, unless you are using one of the newer flavors.

Everything you said is completely wrong.

[carpocratian]

Originally Posted by Bowser Koopa

Everything you said is completely wrong.

Oh? How so?

As a programmer/developer, I have worked extensively on multiple versions of all three OSs I mentioned. I speak from experience, not propaganda.