Here is why most adult paysite affiliates are broke

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by adendreams

Why would you be sending 2000 surfers to a program that only converts one of them?

This is the best evidence of the adapt or die webmaster choosing to die.

Because as an affiliate, every other program converts at 1:2500 +

[DWB]

Originally Posted by OldJeff

And THAT is why so many are broke, they are still hung up on yesterday, yesterday is over, gone, goodbye, so long, see you.

Concentrate on today's reality that is all you have to work with.

Some will make it some will fail what I do will not help webmaster x.

Cold hard reality of any business, 10 years ago I could buy Apple Stock at $10 a share (really wish I had) did they whine that they had a shitty computer and Microsoft / PC was kicking their ass, nope, they transformed themselves into the ultimate entertainment / communication giant and made BILLIONS.

There is far too much reminiscing about the good old days, there is opportunity for millions right there to be taken, some will take it, others will watch it pass them by.

Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away.
Now it looks as though they're here to stay.
Oh, I believe, in yesterday.

Suddenly, I'm not half the man I used to be.
There's a shadow hanging over me.
Oh, yesterday same suddenly.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by DWB

Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away.
Now it looks as though they're here to stay.
Oh, I believe, in yesterday.

Suddenly, I'm not half the man I used to be.
There's a shadow hanging over me.
Oh, yesterday same suddenly.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Yes. Unfortunately they don't want pay sites. That's the point.

Who do you promote? There are plenty of sales still out there. Sure, it's not easy cash 1999 anymore, but there are an incredible number of people still joining paysites.

As Old Jeff said, you can't compare it anymore to the "old days" even though it is fun to do so. What we have is NOW and either you can make it in today's business or you can't. It will never be like it was before so it's not even worth bitching about anymore. I had to break myself of the same habit and totally refocus and rethink everything I was doing and the end results are that I'm making more money online in 2013 than I have in the past few years, so that means sales are up. Yea, I have those weeks everyone else has where things so down, but generally things are moving forward, not backwards.

I used to be a HUGE complainer of tubes, and I still dislike them. I hate pirates and love to take jabs at them when I can, but they are not going anywhere anytime soon and neither am I, so I've had to change my game plan and let loose of what I can't change and focus on what I can.

Either you can function in today's market or you can't. No shame in finding another job if you can't, you gotta do what you gotta do. It sucks, yea, but it is what it is. I work in small niches, with small sites, with small amounts of traffic, and I've learned how to get the most out of what I have and try by best to not complain too much about the way it used to be, because that is over. Gone. Never coming back. I can bitch about it or I can spend that time working on the things I have found that do still work.

So you either need to rethink it all and make a new game plan, or find another job. But know that there is plenty of money still to be made out there.

[Best-In-BC]

1 sale in 200,000 impressions is still more than enough to make 3-4 times what it cost to host.

yet, these types of numbers are not any good right ?

Before you ask, I host at nicepricehosting.net SANDMAN gfy Alias

[Jel]

Originally Posted by DWB

Who do you promote? There are plenty of sales still out there. Sure, it's not easy cash 1999 anymore, but there are an incredible number of people still joining paysites.

As Old Jeff said, you can't compare it anymore to the "old days" even though it is fun to do so. What we have is NOW and either you can make it in today's business or you can't. It will never be like it was before so it's not even worth bitching about anymore. I had to break myself of the same habit and totally refocus and rethink everything I was doing and the end results are that I'm making more money online in 2013 than I have in the past few years, so that means sales are up. Yea, I have those weeks everyone else has where things so down, but generally things are moving forward, not backwards.

I used to be a HUGE complainer of tubes, and I still dislike them. I hate pirates and love to take jabs at them when I can, but they are not going anywhere anytime soon and neither am I, so I've had to change my game plan and let loose of what I can't change and focus on what I can.

Either you can function in today's market or you can't. No shame in finding another job if you can't, you gotta do what you gotta do. It sucks, yea, but it is what it is. I work in small niches, with small sites, with small amounts of traffic, and I've learned how to get the most out of what I have and try by best to not complain too much about the way it used to be, because that is over. Gone. Never coming back. I can bitch about it or I can spend that time working on the things I have found that do still work.

So you either need to rethink it all and make a new game plan, or find another job. But know that there is plenty of money still to be made out there.

Cracking post

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by DWB

Who do you promote? There are plenty of sales still out there. Sure, it's not easy cash 1999 anymore, but there are an incredible number of people still joining paysites.

As Old Jeff said, you can't compare it anymore to the "old days" even though it is fun to do so. What we have is NOW and either you can make it in today's business or you can't. It will never be like it was before so it's not even worth bitching about anymore. I had to break myself of the same habit and totally refocus and rethink everything I was doing and the end results are that I'm making more money online in 2013 than I have in the past few years, so that means sales are up. Yea, I have those weeks everyone else has where things so down, but generally things are moving forward, not backwards.

I used to be a HUGE complainer of tubes, and I still dislike them. I hate pirates and love to take jabs at them when I can, but they are not going anywhere anytime soon and neither am I, so I've had to change my game plan and let loose of what I can't change and focus on what I can.

Either you can function in today's market or you can't. No shame in finding another job if you can't, you gotta do what you gotta do. It sucks, yea, but it is what it is. I work in small niches, with small sites, with small amounts of traffic, and I've learned how to get the most out of what I have and try by best to not complain too much about the way it used to be, because that is over. Gone. Never coming back. I can bitch about it or I can spend that time working on the things I have found that do still work.

So you either need to rethink it all and make a new game plan, or find another job. But know that there is plenty of money still to be made out there.

Yes there are people still joining paysites. Yes you still make some money. But for affiliates they are having to generate 100,000 to 200,000 or more pageviews on their site before they make a sale.

It's like a broken record. It's completely different for a sponsor than an affiliate. If you make 200,000 page views on your paysite tour page then you're probably doing great. If an affiliate makes 200,000 page views on their site and does nothing else but send traffic to your paysite then the odds are that they are having Top Ramen tonight.

If you can't understand that then go back and read page one again until you do. It's amazing how many people can't seem to grasp this.

It's not a choice between being a paysite affiliate and finding another job. There are other things to do both inside and outside of the industry. That is what I am trying to convey to other affiliates. That maybe it's time to quit banging your head against the wall if you're still doing that. No one ever explained it to me that I was having to make 200,000 page views to make a sale. In the past I was stuck on ratios. It never occurred to me how bad it really was.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

1 sale in 200,000 impressions is still more than enough to make 3-4 times what it cost to host.

yet, these types of numbers are not any good right ?

Before you ask, I host at nicepricehosting.net SANDMAN gfy Alias

You can still make a profit for sure. But the question is could you make more by selling something besides paysites? Is there a better and more efficient use of your time? As the numbers get worse the answer for more affiliates is yes.

No one sat down with me and said hey look at this. You're having to serve a quarter of a million pageviews before you make a paysite affiliate sale. I wish someone would have put that in my face a year or two ago because it's an eye opener.

[OldJeff]

If you are taking 200,000 page views to make a sale, you are doing something wrong. If I had to guess it would be trying to create a surfer experience instead of trying to get them to a money maker, hidden cross sales, who cares, confusing join page saying free, and hiding the tril part, thats nice.

MONEY that is what I want from a surfer, I do not care if they never see a picture

[Dankasaur]

Originally Posted by DWB

Who do you promote? There are plenty of sales still out there. Sure, it's not easy cash 1999 anymore, but there are an incredible number of people still joining paysites.

As Old Jeff said, you can't compare it anymore to the "old days" even though it is fun to do so. What we have is NOW and either you can make it in today's business or you can't. It will never be like it was before so it's not even worth bitching about anymore. I had to break myself of the same habit and totally refocus and rethink everything I was doing and the end results are that I'm making more money online in 2013 than I have in the past few years, so that means sales are up. Yea, I have those weeks everyone else has where things so down, but generally things are moving forward, not backwards.

I used to be a HUGE complainer of tubes, and I still dislike them. I hate pirates and love to take jabs at them when I can, but they are not going anywhere anytime soon and neither am I, so I've had to change my game plan and let loose of what I can't change and focus on what I can.

Either you can function in today's market or you can't. No shame in finding another job if you can't, you gotta do what you gotta do. It sucks, yea, but it is what it is. I work in small niches, with small sites, with small amounts of traffic, and I've learned how to get the most out of what I have and try by best to not complain too much about the way it used to be, because that is over. Gone. Never coming back. I can bitch about it or I can spend that time working on the things I have found that do still work.

So you either need to rethink it all and make a new game plan, or find another job. But know that there is plenty of money still to be made out there.

You sir, have fucking got it. God damn man, you're impressing me... I want to watch you rail a ladyboy right now...


No homo.

[dannyz-zbuckz]

We still pay out thousands of dollars per month to affiliates, and our payouts are going up, month after month. We've been able to continue to grow by seeking out and finding fresh niches to promote with content people can't find elsewhere or get easily from any tube sites!

The key really from what I see across our programs is to find a unique niche to promote. Don't target the general porn niches that are overly saturated with tons of competition both from other affiliates and the free sites. Try something new and get outside your box, there is still money to be made and people willing to take out their credit cards to support you if you give them a reason to!

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Dankasaur

You sir, have fucking got it. God damn man, you're impressing me... I want to watch you rail a ladyboy right now...


No homo.

oh and DWB is the man

[DWB]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Yes there are people still joining paysites. Yes you still make some money. But for affiliates they are having to generate 100,000 to 200,000 or more pageviews on their site before they make a sale.

Some affiliates, but that is their problem. Maybe they are pushing the wrong sponsors, or don't know their traffic, or simply don't know what they are doing. Or maybe that's just the way it is now. Whatever the case, deal with it and focus on where you can make money right now.

$5 Submissions made a great simple post the other day about if 20% of what you work on brings in the money, and 80% doesn't, then focus on that 20%. As simple as that is, that is the absolute truth. I'm sure there is something that you're doing online that is working and giving you better results, focus on those things, or that one single site. Find one strength and build on that. Scale that one strength. Then do it again.

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

It's like a broken record. It's completely different for a sponsor than an affiliate. If you make 200,000 page views on your paysite tour page then you're probably doing great. If an affiliate makes 200,000 page views on their site and does nothing else but send traffic to your paysite then the odds are that they are having Top Ramen tonight.

Program owners are affiliates too ya know. While I don't live or die by my affiliate sales, with the exception of cams, my ratios are decent enough to most sites.

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

If you can't understand that then go back and read page one again until you do. It's amazing how many people can't seem to grasp this.

Oh, I understand it. I am a site owner and an affiliate. I understand it perfectly. It's harder to make sales today than it was 13 years ago and the numbers are worse for many people. OK, now we know that, so lets move on and focus on where we can make sales today. Pandora's box is open. I'd love for it to shut but it's not going to.

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

It's not a choice between being a paysite affiliate and finding another job. There are other things to do both inside and outside of the industry. That is what I am trying to convey to other affiliates. That maybe it's time to quit banging your head against the wall if you're still doing that. No one ever explained it to me that I was having to make 200,000 page views to make a sale. In the past I was stuck on ratios. It never occurred to me how bad it really was.

There is money to be made all over the internet. Get in where you fit in and go make it. If your numbers stink in one area and you can't figure out how to fix it, do something else. If you're not OK with having to make 200,000 page views to make a sale, then you had better do something about it, and fast.

Yes, numbers are a lot different today than they were in 1999, but what did you expect? The entire world has changed in the past decade, did you think the porn business and stats wouldn't?

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Dankasaur

I want to watch you rail a ladyboy right now...

You have to pay to watch me rail a ladyboy, but I'll give you some ladyboy boo-tay for free.

[nikki99]

lazy motherfuckers

[Dankasaur]

Originally Posted by DWB

You have to pay to watch me rail a ladyboy, but I'll give you some ladyboy boo-tay for free.

[Jon]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

I posted this because I see a few people (affiliates) who really seem to be struggling. I'm not going to name them but they are saying things like they are selling possessions and stuff to get by. That's just sad. Being a pornsite affiliate for some has become like a get rich quick scheme where some sponsors are trying to profit off of your gullibility. I know how it is. You think things like if only I could triple my traffic or work a little more.

No. It's the model itself. The math doesn't lie. It has no agenda.

So try a different model. A winning one. There other things to do both in adult and outside of adult besides selling someone else's paysite.

That's not sad.. that's called adapt or die.

This industry is made up of businesses that succeed and when one fails, they either adapt/adjust or they need to just stop and quit.

That's how all industries function.

Just because when this industry first began in the 90's and pioneered nearly every damn marketing, payment processing, website development, management system, marketing strategy, the entire advertising and monetizing industry of the interwebs, etc etc.. doesn't mean that people in this industry should have it easy or have some free or low/cheap barrier to entry in order to turn a profit.

No fucking way.

Sure, back in the 90's, we had it made. In fact, if you couldn't figure out how to bank hard, there must have been something very wrong with you. It was a cash machine on crack. Those were the days.. But then a bunch of idiots rolled up and decided it was easier to compete by just giving shit away for free, or worse, to tease consumers by giving them a bunch of pics and then movie clips away for free as a "preview" incentive.. as if guys needed a fuckin preview to convince them to buy or not. That's where this industry went wrong. The TGP crap.. and it just grew as an accepted practice from then on.

Now fast forward to 2010+...

Nowadays consumers are fully aware they can get all of that teaser shit for free, and all of the full "premium" versions for free too! So why pay?

And you know what that does? It makes life a lot tougher for all of those tgp and mgp dickheads fail as a cause and effect of the same stupid game they started with.

So... if you can't figure out how to adapt and profit, get the fuck out of the industry. Go find something easier, cheaper, more accepted, something you can tell your wife's mother about that won't get you weird looks.

But those original profit margins are not gonna happen again so quit sitting around trying to wish for it.

You guys used to be the most forward thinking, advanced, out of the box creative marketing and sales mavens in all the land.. and now... copy and paste and playing defense and catch up.

I only have respect for those corps and players in this industry now that have not only survived for this long, but are thriving in secret while the rest of you squabble around for their table scraps. Everyone else needs to get their game on and be creative again, otherwise its gonna be a short lived career in an industry that sells addictive material that most every male of the human species is addicted to, naturally.

Enough whining about it. Do something, or fuck off. End of story.

(I'll invoice you kiddies later for the motivational service)

[Dankasaur]

Originally Posted by Jon

That's not sad.. that's called adapt or die.

This industry is made up of businesses that succeed and when one fails, they either adapt/adjust or they need to just stop and quit.

That's how all industries function.

Just because when this industry first began in the 90's and pioneered nearly every damn marketing, payment processing, website development, management system, marketing strategy, the entire advertising and monetizing industry of the interwebs, etc etc.. doesn't mean that people in this industry should have it easy or have some free or low/cheap barrier to entry in order to turn a profit.

No fucking way.

Sure, back in the 90's, we had it made. In fact, if you couldn't figure out how to bank hard, there must have been something very wrong with you. It was a cash machine on crack. Those were the days.. But then a bunch of idiots rolled up and decided it was easier to compete by just giving shit away for free, or worse, to tease consumers by giving them a bunch of pics and then movie clips away for free as a "preview" incentive.. as if guys needed a fuckin preview to convince them to buy or not. That's where this industry went wrong. The TGP crap.. and it just grew as an accepted practice from then on.

Now fast forward to 2010+...

Nowadays consumers are fully aware they can get all of that teaser shit for free, and all of the full "premium" versions for free too! So why pay?

And you know what that does? It makes life a lot tougher for all of those tgp and mgp dickheads fail as a cause and effect of the same stupid game they started with.

So... if you can't figure out how to adapt and profit, get the fuck out of the industry. Go find something easier, cheaper, more accepted, something you can tell your wife's mother about that won't get you weird looks.

But those original profit margins are not gonna happen again so quit sitting around trying to wish for it.

You guys used to be the most forward thinking, advanced, out of the box creative marketing and sales mavens in all the land.. and now... copy and paste and playing defense and catch up.

I only have respect for those corps and players in this industry now that have not only survived for this long, but are thriving in secret while the rest of you squabble around for their table scraps. Everyone else needs to get their game on and be creative again, otherwise its gonna be a short lived career in an industry that sells addictive material that most every male of the human species is addicted to, naturally.

Enough whining about it. Do something, or fuck off. End of story.

(I'll invoice you kiddies later for the motivational service)

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by DWB

Some affiliates, but that is their problem. Maybe they are pushing the wrong sponsors, or don't know their traffic, or simply don't know what they are doing. Or maybe that's just the way it is now. Whatever the case, deal with it and focus on where you can make money right now.

Which is what the topic is about. But apparently the same sponsors and the same reps get upset when any affiliate talks to other affiliates and says anything other than "it's better than ever! keep dedicating your life to sending traffic to pay site sponsors!"

Look at some of these replies. It's just a circle jerk of people who aren't really affiliates telling others how it is and agreeing with each other. That's useless. What does an affiliate care what a sponsor or rep thinks?

$5 Submissions made a great simple post the other day about if 20% of what you work on brings in the money, and 80% doesn't, then focus on that 20%. As simple as that is, that is the absolute truth. I'm sure there is something that you're doing online that is working and giving you better results, focus on those things, or that one single site. Find one strength and build on that. Scale that one strength. Then do it again.

Agree.

Program owners are affiliates too ya know. While I don't live or die by my affiliate sales, with the exception of cams, my ratios are decent enough to most sites.

It's different. If you understood you would not have entered the topic and spoke in the way you did. You don't understand what it is to mostly be a pay site affiliate in 2013 because you aren't one and that doesn't apply to you. You don't "live and die by your affiliate sites" as you said. Your personal affiliate sales are a bonus for you. This topic was never meant for you.

Oh, I understand it. I am a site owner and an affiliate. I understand it perfectly. It's harder to make sales today than it was 13 years ago and the numbers are worse for many people. OK, now we know that, so lets move on and focus on where we can make sales today. Pandora's box is open. I'd love for it to shut but it's not going to.

That's what the topic is about. But some people seem to get really upset when someone points it out in a way without sugar coating or blaming the affiliate for it.

There is money to be made all over the internet. Get in where you fit in and go make it. If your numbers stink in one area and you can't figure out how to fix it, do something else. If you're not OK with having to make 200,000 page views to make a sale, then you had better do something about it, and fast.

Yes, numbers are a lot different today than they were in 1999, but what did you expect? The entire world has changed in the past decade, did you think the porn business and stats wouldn't?

Yes we agree. But yet for some reason you felt the need to give me a lecture after telling me I am promoting the wrong sites, my expectations are too high, living in the past, and on and on. When in the end we agreed the whole time on what really matters minus the other bullshit. I guess you just wanted to bitch at me? I don't know. You tell me.

To be point blank I think a lot of you are just assholes. Not necessarily you DWB but a few of the others who have replied. You're not primarily affiliates and you know it. Many were never affiliates. Yet you can't resist the opportunity to act like an ass and make snide comments here and there. I've seen it happen more and more over the years and it's now to the point where a thread like this which is clearly meant for affiliates gets filled with 80% of the replies being from smart ass reps and sponsors making snide remarks and generalities.

[adendreams]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

It's been over a decade since I owned a pay site so I'm not the best person to ask. But based on my observations as an affiliate I think it's possible to make a middle class life doing that ($35k) and it's even probable. Some can make more but no one is getting rich and if they are there are special conditions. For instance don;t think you're going to become a millionaire because the guy who used to own a major tube and wants you to submit to his friend's CPP tells you he made a million dollars last year from his paysite. That's a special circumstance.

I think the problem with it is two fold:

1. Dwindling returns. As the amount of your free content and your competitors free content increases along with the amount of people who are willing to buy decreases there will be less return per video impression at the tube. There isn't anything revolutionary here. It's been happening for years and is the trend.

2. As the tubes realize they have you over a barrel and that you are dependent on them their terms will become less friendly. Instead of ten minute videos they will want 20. Instead of allowing you to put a big watermark on the video they will want no watermarks. Instead of letting you put up your videos without an affiliate program they will demand it. Then instead of taking rev share they will demand PPS. Then maybe instead of allowing any processor they will require that all traffic sent from them uses their approved processor. Then maybe one day you need to purchase a submitter's account as in the old TGP days or pay per submit. You get the picture.

If you do it then get the money while you can. Don't expect to get rich. Don't expect it to be easy. Expect diminishing returns month after month at some point. Expect increasing amounts of bullshit from the tubes. And be ready to get out by about 2016 or 2018. Maybe sooner.

I know you're not Paul Markham but... are you sure you're not Paul Markham?

[The Porn Nerd]

I am not an affiliate but I had to make "the decision" when I started: affiliate or program owner? I can tell you it's a LOT more work (and cost) to run a paysite, an affiliate program, have employees, etc etc. But I'm glad I made that choice because being an affiliate is rough these days.

Having said that, and understanding most of what's been laid out in this thread, I would say being an affiliate today is still a good game IF you have skills, work hard (and consistently) and are always testing new approaches to traffic generation and conversions.

Other than that a person has many options, many of which are more profitable than being a paysite affiliate.

Hope that clears everything up. LOL

[Dankasaur]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Look at some of these replies. It's just a circle jerk of people who aren't really affiliates telling others how it is and agreeing with each other. That's useless. What does an affiliate care what a sponsor or rep thinks?

And that's when I stop taking anything you say as anything other then a bitchy ass whine.

"I can't make any money, and someone else has a different view and tells me it, but I disagree with them, so therefore they're not even "real affiliates" and circle jerk each other, because they have an opinion that someone else agrees with."

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

I am not an affiliate but I had to make "the decision" when I started: affiliate or program owner? I can tell you it's a LOT more work (and cost) to run a paysite, an affiliate program, have employees, etc etc. But I'm glad I made that choice because being an affiliate is rough these days.

Having said that, and understanding most of what's been laid out in this thread, I would say being an affiliate today is still a good game IF you have skills, work hard (and consistently) and are always testing new approaches to traffic generation and conversions.

Other than that a person has many options, many of which are more profitable than being a paysite affiliate.

Hope that clears everything up. LOL

Yes. I think that is fair. Specifically you need a lot of traffic to win the numbers game if you want to be the traditional adult affiliate selling pay sites. Without that it's going to be tough.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by adendreams

I know you're not Paul Markham but... are you sure you're not Paul Markham?

I'm not really interested in reading you anymore in the topic, bro.

[adendreams]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

The topic isn't about placing blame. That has been more people such as yourself coming in and telling others that they are lazy, stupid, ignorant,etc. and that things are better than ever (because you who aren't even an affiliate says so and insert your opinion with little or no facts relevant to affiliates here).

The point is that we are there. For most pay site affiliates out there I guarantee you that what I posted is the reality if not worse. 100,000 - 200,000 page views per sale. It's not just me. It's not something I made up.

You can't win chasing that game unless you throw huge numbers at it. You'll always be poor when you are operating under this type of equation.

Me who is not an affiliate?... actually yes I am an affiliate. before I was an affiliate I worked for other affs and sponsors since the affiliate biz was invented, I'm old school since the webs infancy to be quite honest and yes I'm not claiming to state facts - no need for me to dig up a bunch of data to back-up my opinions here - but my theories are based on close working knowledge of this game for the last couple decades.

You say the topic isnt about placing blame but I see you doing just that constantly in these threads - you blame tubes and outside factors for your perceived (wrongly IMO) across the board decline of this business.

Blame really is the point isnt it? If we can ascribe the CAUSE of the "decline" (for some) then we can work toward a FIX can't we.

You say I'm telling people they are lazy and stupid...no - I happen to know many characters in person on this board - and many through in depth online relationships and I do know for a fact that many are a little apathetic and chasing their tail - I also know many who are bright and energetic and growing their biz and those are who I learn from and choose to align myself with.

I certainly didn't say things are better than ever, in fact I repeatedly said the exact opposite when I said it was a bubble back then. Who doesnt love living in a bubble making money hand over fist.

Your opinions about the constant steady drop in sales are not representative throughout all sectors of the aff game - some yes... but not all. And you may want to do a little more research before stating so boldly that piracy and tubes etc. are to blame.

Your thoughts about what a hardworking affiliate can expect to earn (35k?) sure come across doom and gloom..just remember that there are some in your audience here that make that in a week.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Dankasaur

And that's when I stop taking anything you say as anything other then a bitchy ass whine.

"I can't make any money, and someone else has a different view and tells me it, but I disagree with them, so therefore they're not even "real affiliates" and circle jerk each other, because they have an opinion that someone else agrees with."

If you're not primarily an affiliate should you really be going on and on giving lectures to other real affiliates about being an affiliate? Constructive criticism is fine but when it's just some pompous ass saying things like "adapt or die" I don't see the point.

All this bitching because I posted a topic geared towards affiliates and then shared some stats. It's one thing to hear it from affiliates. It's quite another to hear it from a bunch of reps, sponsors, and who knows what else.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by adendreams

Me who is not an affiliate?... actually yes I am an affiliate. before I was an affiliate I worked for other affs and sponsors since the affiliate biz was invented, I'm old school since the webs infancy to be quite honest and yes I'm not claiming to state facts - no need for me to dig up a bunch of data to back-up my opinions here - but my theories are based on close working knowledge of this game for the last couple decades.

You say the topic isnt about placing blame but I see you doing just that constantly in these threads - you blame tubes and outside factors for your perceived (wrongly IMO) across the board decline of this business.

Blame really is the point isnt it? If we can ascribe the CAUSE of the "decline" (for some) then we can work toward a FIX can't we.

You say I'm telling people they are lazy and stupid...no - I happen to know many characters in person on this board - and many through in depth online relationships and I do know for a fact that many are a little apathetic and chasing their tail - I also know many who are bright and energetic and growing their biz and those are who I learn from and choose to align myself with.

I certainly didn't say things are better than ever, in fact I repeatedly said the exact opposite when I said it was a bubble back then. Who doesnt love living in a bubble making money hand over fist.

Your opinions about the constant steady drop in sales are not representative throughout all sectors of the aff game - some yes... but not all. And you may want to do a little more research before stating so boldly that piracy and tubes etc. are to blame.

Your thoughts about what a hardworking affiliate can expect to earn (35k?) sure come across doom and gloom..just remember that there are some in your audience here that make that in a week.

Like I said, Bro. I'm not interested in talking to you in the topic. I didn't read it. Thanks anyway.

[adendreams]

Originally Posted by OldJeff

One of the most intelligent posts EVER on this board

Thanks Old Jeff

[Dankasaur]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

If you're not primarily an affiliate should you really be going on and on giving lectures to other real affiliates about being an affiliate? Constructive criticism is fine but when it's just some pompous ass saying things like "adapt or die" I don't see the point.

All this bitching because I posted a topic geared towards affiliates and then shared some stats. It's one thing to hear it from affiliates. It's quite another to hear it from a bunch of reps, sponsors, and who knows what else.

So you're saying DWB isn't an affiliate and is just an pompous asshole because he was once like you but realized "adapt or die" was true?

Once you realize what he realized the better off you'll be.

[tonyparra]

Okay broke affiliate here... I get sick of these threads man, all i see is people saying im dumb or lazy fuck off go back to conspiracies, bitcoins, and funny gifs

[xxxjay]

Couple tips...

1. If you want to make money as an affiliate, you have to get up in the morning and bust you ass a good 10-16 (maybe 16) hours a day. Once you hit a point where you are making a decent income, figure out what you did right and re-double those efforts.

2. If you get to a point when you are making enough money, spend some money and hire an employee to help with the grunt work, so you can move on to more advanced work.

3. Automate everything you can.

4. Use social media, I look at as spam that the user opts into. Just keep it entertaining so they will keep following you.

Those are a couple of my best pointers. I made millions as an affiliate before I owned a program.

Of course, times have changed with the glut of free porn, but you can still make a living promoting porn.

[adendreams]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

I didn't read it. Thanks anyway.

Read it Baby read it.

Just a little peek up...it won't hurt you... those tantalizing words dangle just inches up...like ripe plums on a hot summer day - just a taste. OOP did you just read a little???

You must be hard as nails to resist the temptation - I bet you look like the Dos Equis commercial dude...one bad motherfucker.

haha just joshing with you holmes - I'm sure if you say you didnt read it then you didn't read it

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

Couple tips...

1. If you want to make money as an affiliate, you have to get up in the morning and bust you ass a good 10-16 (maybe 16) hours a day. Once you hit a point where you are making a decent income, figure out what you did right and re-double those efforts.

2. If you get to a point when you are making enough money, spend some money and hire an employee to help with the grunt work, so you can move on to more advanced work.

3. Automate everything you can.

4. Use social media, I look at as spam that the user opts into. Just keep it entertaining so they will keep following you.

Those are a couple of my best pointers. I made millions as an affiliate before I owned a program.

Of course, times have changed with the glut of free porn, but you can still make a living promoting porn.

Yes unlike some of the others I know you were an affiliate and I remember you. Thanks for the positive tips.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Dankasaur

So you're saying DWB isn't an affiliate and is just an pompous asshole because he was once like you but realized "adapt or die" was true?

Once you realize what he realized the better off you'll be.

DWB at least wasn't an ass about it.

Adapt or die is the underlying message of the topic. Think about it. The difference is that I'm a real affiliate saying it and instead of blaming affiliates and calling them lazy I'm saying that it's primarily that the model changed to not be as viable.

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Which is what the topic is about. But apparently the same sponsors and the same reps get upset when any affiliate talks to other affiliates and says anything other than "it's better than ever! keep dedicating your life to sending traffic to pay site sponsors!"

Look at some of these replies. It's just a circle jerk of people who aren't really affiliates telling others how it is and agreeing with each other. That's useless. What does an affiliate care what a sponsor or rep thinks?

...

To be point blank I think a lot of you are just assholes. Not necessarily you DWB but a few of the others who have replied. You're not primarily affiliates and you know it. Many were never affiliates. Yet you can't resist the opportunity to act like an ass and make snide comments here and there. I've seen it happen more and more over the years and it's now to the point where a thread like this which is clearly meant for affiliates gets filled with 80% of the replies being from smart ass reps and sponsors making snide remarks and generalities.

Why do you choose to put yourself in this "affiliate" box? It's just a word. You should focus on being a "money maker" without worrying about your role as a "paysite affiliate".

[mopek1]

Thanks signupdamnit for the thread. You kept a cool head while many kept trying to take your head off.

One of the other points I wanted to bring up was the lack of new quality sites. One program owner that I promoted and did well with had great content but stopped making anything new because he knew that his work would end up pirated. I don't blame him for not wanting to invest his money further.

I also don't see big general site launches like BangBus (back in the day it was huge), MoneyTalks etc...

Yes there are still good quality sites to promote just less.

[PornDiscounts-V]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

In 1999 I bought a membership because I couldn't find free porn in the entire first few pages of search engine results for "free porn". I'm being literal here. Each result was a paysite or what used to be called a circle jerk or similar setup. Where each page was at "best" (for free porn lookers) a full page ad that might not be censored. There would be several links to other pages which were just more FPA's and similar sales pages. You could join a paysite to see naked pictures, or you could keep looking and have a hard time finding. Not gonna happen ever again.

Similar experience here. It is also what got me intrigued into the why aspect of this occurring and noticing affiliate codes.

[PornDiscounts-V]

The sad truth is that greed took over.

Tubes were based on illegal distribution of somebody else's work.

To this day the big tubes that allow uploads are still using this model. Many have cp on them. None have any real safeguards to protect children from watching their videos. Sad state of affairs.

[anexsia]

I don't do this full-time and I'm not a whale making hundreds of sales every day but I do make enough sales every month to where it's worth it for me to continue. I really enjoy building adult sites (what guy doesn't like looking at porn!? I find it's more exciting then making mainstream sites) and it's an awesome feeling to work on some sites and to see your work payoff when your stats start to rise and you start getting sales from that new campaign you created for your latest websites you built .

I've seen some users here occasionally post some AMAZING stats with some huge dollar signs (from relatively recent paysite sales!) and when I see that I get pumped up and I strive to make even more adult sites and get more sales so maybe one day I can have a network as huge as they have.

It's definitely not easy being an adult affiliate and we do have the odds stacked against us at times (and I'm not even talking about piracy...I'm talking about late payments, no payments, shady sponsors, sponsor pulling lame shit, etc) but like everything else in life...it is what you make of it!

[PR_Glen]

Sales isn't for the weak and weary... and never has been.

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Yes unlike some of the others I know you were an affiliate and I remember you. Thanks for the positive tips.

Same here, I'll add some more when I can think of them.