SEO: adult vs non adult sites - GoFuckYourself.com

henriduf · 10-21-2012, 08:26 AM

Some people says it is more difficult to have an adult related website because nobody links to your website. However, i have adult and non adult websites and everything that is adult related bring me much more money than websites that are non adult related.
For me, It was not easier to have a pagerank with a non adult website. Anyways, there is also so much competition in non adult websites so that i don't get any siginificant revenue from it.

I d like to know your opinion about the subject.

ErectMedia · 10-21-2012, 09:24 AM

Sex sells so internet wise easier to get eyeballs. Advantage to mainstream is no barriers on advertising. I have a perforated vinyl logo on the rear window of my car for one of my mainstream projects, custom imprinted pens, t-shirts and I can do advertising all across the board with no restrictions.

cash202 · 10-21-2012, 06:18 PM

There's no difference. SEO is the same. Pick right keywords and do a proper link campaign and you'll be allright. The only thing is more tolerance to webspam from Google's perspective. They work their algo to increase AdWords revenue first and foremost, so potential AdWords spenders are the target. If the topic is banned on AdWords, the spamy SEO techniques can go unpunished for a long time. Just take viagra as an example...

Tent Pitcher · 11-06-2012, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by henriduf

Some people says it is more difficult to have an adult related website because nobody links to your website. However, i have adult and non adult websites and everything that is adult related bring me much more money than websites that are non adult related.
For me, It was not easier to have a pagerank with a non adult website. Anyways, there is also so much competition in non adult websites so that i don't get any siginificant revenue from it.

I d like to know your opinion about the subject.

From a link standpoint, I think it is almost the opposite...Adult sites are often buried in affiliate links, redirects, etc. - many of which can be completely irrelevant to a site's actual category. This can make it difficult for a search engine to determine a poorly designed site's actual content. There are also a LOT of adult sites out there and the signal to noise ratio is very high.

For SEO on an adult site, you just need to be extra careful that all of your efforts are as focused and targeted as possible. Don't go after the big-money keywords unless they are relevant to your site - it will only hurt you in the long run through penalties. If your site(s) are a mix of genres, it's oftentimes better to run a few targeted campaigns rather than a single generalized one. As someone else said, be aware of the popular spam keywords and phrases - like "penis enlargement" and "Cialis", and avoid them like the plague!

If you want to talk specifics, feel free to PM me.

Tent Pitcher · 11-06-2012, 06:17 PM

^ I meant to say the signal to noise ratio is very low...as in there is a lot of crap out there.

javinder_mn · 11-07-2012, 07:02 AM

one advantage for mainstream seo is the ability to rank video content, at least two listing for virtually any term on the first page will be a youtube vid.

for obvious reasons, this is unlikey to be a suitable seo technique for adult content. but to echo the point made by ErectMedia, you only have to see the number of crafty 'sexy' thumbnails people use to get more views - sex sells!

RyanEagle · 11-08-2012, 07:18 PM

SEO will work for both adult and non-adult. Plus, adult has the advantage of getting extra attention from horny people, but you know how that goes.

Johnnyroq · 11-12-2012, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tent Pitcher

From a link standpoint, I think it is almost the opposite...Adult sites are often buried in affiliate links, redirects, etc. - many of which can be completely irrelevant to a site's actual category. This can make it difficult for a search engine to determine a poorly designed site's actual content. There are also a LOT of adult sites out there and the signal to noise ratio is very high.

For SEO on an adult site, you just need to be extra careful that all of your efforts are as focused and targeted as possible. Don't go after the big-money keywords unless they are relevant to your site - it will only hurt you in the long run through penalties. If your site(s) are a mix of genres, it's oftentimes better to run a few targeted campaigns rather than a single generalized one. As someone else said, be aware of the popular spam keywords and phrases - like "penis enlargement" and "Cialis", and avoid them like the plague!

If you want to talk specifics, feel free to PM me.

Tent, I couldn't agree more. I was wondering if youd like to have a talk about this in a PM atmosphere. Im working on some new SEO strats for an adult site and want to be sure they are properly ranking. Because I've worked in the adult space very little and in the mainstream quite a bit, Id be interested in hearing detailed "push/pull" examples as to what works.

So much SEO has been blackhat, link trades, juicing... now with Google getting wise, Im wondering what the healthy mix is and if there are any outward ideas on the future of adult SEO as well.

bbni2012 · 11-12-2012, 10:33 PM

Couldn't of said it better. Also might I add, you gotta be careful and watch out for penalties on your adult sites when ranking out in google. Content is still king!

Tent Pitcher · 11-13-2012, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnnyroq

Tent, I couldn't agree more. I was wondering if youd like to have a talk about this in a PM atmosphere. Im working on some new SEO strats for an adult site and want to be sure they are properly ranking. Because I've worked in the adult space very little and in the mainstream quite a bit, Id be interested in hearing detailed "push/pull" examples as to what works.

So much SEO has been blackhat, link trades, juicing... now with Google getting wise, Im wondering what the healthy mix is and if there are any outward ideas on the future of adult SEO as well.

Sure, hit me up whenever...always happy to talk business.

MrX99 · 11-16-2012, 10:26 PM

I'm still pretty new to the internet business, and don't have mainstream projects, but to me adult SEO seems different from mainstream SEO in at least one important way.

Off-page efforts have been pretty difficult/ineffective for me lately, presumably due to Google's detection and penalizing of various forms of link trading and other "unnatural" linking. According to Google's webmaster central blog, Page Rank and search rankings are influenced in a positive way these days only by "natural" linking, which for all I can tell means someone else voluntarily and unilaterally linking to your site from their blog, site or whatever.

Does this "natural linking" happen in the mainstream realm? It's happened only very rarely in my experience pushing porn, and I can't say I've ever gotten a "natural" link from a site with high PR. Although I lack this knowledge, I would imagine it's easier to lure people to link to mainstream content.

To the extent that Google's algorithm enforces its rhetoric and webmaster rules, off-page SEO is becoming something very tricky, delicate and confusing for me and my porn sites. The underlying algorithmic changes of course affect other sites too, but seem to make adult link building especially tough.

Sorry to be long-winded. Just wanted to add these thoughts. Feedback, disagreements and advice welcome and appreciated!

Tent Pitcher · 11-18-2012, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MrX99

I'm still pretty new to the internet business, and don't have mainstream projects, but to me adult SEO seems different from mainstream SEO in at least one important way.

Off-page efforts have been pretty difficult/ineffective for me lately, presumably due to Google's detection and penalizing of various forms of link trading and other "unnatural" linking. According to Google's webmaster central blog, Page Rank and search rankings are influenced in a positive way these days only by "natural" linking, which for all I can tell means someone else voluntarily and unilaterally linking to your site from their blog, site or whatever.

Does this "natural linking" happen in the mainstream realm? It's happened only very rarely in my experience pushing porn, and I can't say I've ever gotten a "natural" link from a site with high PR. Although I lack this knowledge, I would imagine it's easier to lure people to link to mainstream content.

To the extent that Google's algorithm enforces its rhetoric and webmaster rules, off-page SEO is becoming something very tricky, delicate and confusing for me and my porn sites. The underlying algorithmic changes of course affect other sites too, but seem to make adult link building especially tough.

Sorry to be long-winded. Just wanted to add these thoughts. Feedback, disagreements and advice welcome and appreciated!

That is a good observation and question. Going back to what I said in an earlier response, mainstream sites just aren't run the way that adult sites are. Natural linking is simply the organic connection of sites - if someone wants to share something with their friends, they link to it - and - if a particular blog post or news article is popular, then it gets shared more often than one that isn't. You can't spoof it, you can't game it, you have to take it into account when working up an SEO strategy.

Building an organic adult site can be very hard for a couple of reasons. First, noise - there are a ton, literally millions, of adult sites out there. Second, the road most traveled is paved with affiliate links, redirects, bought and traded traffic, etc. The problem isn't that the search engines don't see this, it is that your average user doesn't. Your site may never get visited because all of your potential visitors are stuck clicking through redirects to affiliates, closing pop-unders, etc. You can maybe make some money on clicks that way, but you will never build a dedicated user base or a brand peddling someone else's wares.

In case it wasn't obvious, I am a firm believer in the notion that offering unique and quality content will net you the best results over time (assuming it is worthy of being consumed).

Johnnyroq · 11-20-2012, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Tent Pitcher

That is a good observation and question. Going back to what I said in an earlier response, mainstream sites just aren't run the way that adult sites are. Natural linking is simply the organic connection of sites - if someone wants to share something with their friends, they link to it - and - if a particular blog post or news article is popular, then it gets shared more often than one that isn't. You can't spoof it, you can't game it, you have to take it into account when working up an SEO strategy.

Building an organic adult site can be very hard for a couple of reasons. First, noise - there are a ton, literally millions, of adult sites out there. Second, the road most traveled is paved with affiliate links, redirects, bought and traded traffic, etc. The problem isn't that the search engines don't see this, it is that your average user doesn't. Your site may never get visited because all of your potential visitors are stuck clicking through redirects to affiliates, closing pop-unders, etc. You can maybe make some money on clicks that way, but you will never build a dedicated user base or a brand peddling someone else's wares.

In case it wasn't obvious, I am a firm believer in the notion that offering unique and quality content will net you the best results over time (assuming it is worthy of being consumed).

I like what you said here. I want to say that my biggest "issue" with adult site SEO lately has been that everyone has extremely varied opinions and it almost makes me nervous. Is backlinking important? Obviously. But whats the best way to truly tell what links you want and which you don't? (besides the glaringly obvious.) Keywording is important, but with Google playing down the domains relevance (though this shouldn't effect the user experience) as well as considering some words no longer "adult" in the industry, this has harshed certain versions of stuffing, etc.

Does anyone have a best practice of SEO thats been "tested" since Penguin? Linkbuilding has obviously been hit and theres leeching, etc. Im just curious if anyone wants to chat about strategy, build a relationship and share ideas. Regardless of some belief, SEO is changing and Adult SEO is changing even more. Id love to have a good group of experts that wants to "crack" the new systems that exist, but I dont expect everyone to want to collaborate. Ive been doing this for quite a while, I have some good insight, but Ive not been working in the adult space as long. Tit for tat kinda thing.

Also, Tent, I PM'd you, grab my ICQ or Skype, lets pick each others brains!

Mark_E4A · 12-01-2012, 10:44 AM

feel free to hit me upand we can chat about this

i have been doing good so far with the new algo but there is always new stuff and opinions to learn and hear

i do both adult and mainstream seo

Nelzon · 12-16-2012, 02:21 PM

Adult SEO and Mainstream SEO are the same, I would say there is more competition in Adult SEO but at the end it's all the same thing. One thing tho, adult SEO is slower then mainstream!

Bat_Man · 12-17-2012, 03:07 AM

I think it depends on your keyword competitors .. Although for me it is hard to high a page rank of a porn site ..

smashits · 12-21-2012, 02:06 AM

Though Adult business is risky,but it brings more money and clients than Non Adult Websites.

catfightreport · 06-27-2013, 10:49 PM

I get to live in both worlds in a sense. One of my sites is strictly adult, with nudity, and the other is "sexy", but I got it approved by Paypal after going up the line and it's free of nudity.

The theory is the same for both, however, new age rules of course make it harder.

Most of my traffic came from Yahoo Groups and Message boards. Mind you, these were only groups or message boards that have to do with "my" genre. I've done a lot of link trades, and a lot of interviews with popular females, and I would have to say the interviews bring the most traffic.

Especially, the ones that were done via video. But, our female wrestling preview videos on the non-nude site do pretty well too.

simoviciflorin · 01-03-2014, 09:11 AM

Sex will always sell! ;)

VinceRuth · 01-03-2014, 04:55 PM

Hmm... depends your niche and seo that you make of your websites,but good luck and more money .

10-21-2012, 08:26 AM	#1
henriduf Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: France Posts: 35	SEO: adult vs non adult sites Some people says it is more difficult to have an adult related website because nobody links to your website. However, i have adult and non adult websites and everything that is adult related bring me much more money than websites that are non adult related. For me, It was not easier to have a pagerank with a non adult website. Anyways, there is also so much competition in non adult websites so that i don't get any siginificant revenue from it. I d like to know your opinion about the subject. __________________ ---------------

10-21-2012, 09:24 AM	#2
ErectMedia Confirmed Chicago Pimp Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 7,100	Sex sells so internet wise easier to get eyeballs. Advantage to mainstream is no barriers on advertising. I have a perforated vinyl logo on the rear window of my car for one of my mainstream projects, custom imprinted pens, t-shirts and I can do advertising all across the board with no restrictions. __________________ Domain Name Registration Web3 Domains

11-06-2012, 06:17 PM	#5
Tent Pitcher Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: New Orleans Posts: 213	^ I meant to say the signal to noise ratio is very low...as in there is a lot of crap out there. __________________ Tent Pitcher - Adult Search Engine

11-07-2012, 07:02 AM	#6
javinder_mn Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 189	one advantage for mainstream seo is the ability to rank video content, at least two listing for virtually any term on the first page will be a youtube vid. for obvious reasons, this is unlikey to be a suitable seo technique for adult content. but to echo the point made by ErectMedia, you only have to see the number of crafty 'sexy' thumbnails people use to get more views - sex sells! __________________ One Result Digital Marketing Agency: Design and Development for Web and Mobile skype: jave225 email: [email protected] twitter: @jave225

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10-21-2012, 06:18 PM	#3
cash202 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 5	There's no difference. SEO is the same. Pick right keywords and do a proper link campaign and you'll be allright. The only thing is more tolerance to webspam from Google's perspective. They work their algo to increase AdWords revenue first and foremost, so potential AdWords spenders are the target. If the topic is banned on AdWords, the spamy SEO techniques can go unpunished for a long time. Just take viagra as an example...

11-08-2012, 07:18 PM	#7
RyanEagle Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 183	SEO will work for both adult and non-adult. Plus, adult has the advantage of getting extra attention from horny people, but you know how that goes.

11-16-2012, 10:26 PM	#11
MrX99 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 7	I'm still pretty new to the internet business, and don't have mainstream projects, but to me adult SEO seems different from mainstream SEO in at least one important way. Off-page efforts have been pretty difficult/ineffective for me lately, presumably due to Google's detection and penalizing of various forms of link trading and other "unnatural" linking. According to Google's webmaster central blog, Page Rank and search rankings are influenced in a positive way these days only by "natural" linking, which for all I can tell means someone else voluntarily and unilaterally linking to your site from their blog, site or whatever. Does this "natural linking" happen in the mainstream realm? It's happened only very rarely in my experience pushing porn, and I can't say I've ever gotten a "natural" link from a site with high PR. Although I lack this knowledge, I would imagine it's easier to lure people to link to mainstream content. To the extent that Google's algorithm enforces its rhetoric and webmaster rules, off-page SEO is becoming something very tricky, delicate and confusing for me and my porn sites. The underlying algorithmic changes of course affect other sites too, but seem to make adult link building especially tough. Sorry to be long-winded. Just wanted to add these thoughts. Feedback, disagreements and advice welcome and appreciated! __________________ highdefamateurhardcore.com \| latinahardcorehd.com

12-01-2012, 10:44 AM	#14
Mark_E4A Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: pornSEO.com - Toronto Posts: 1,514	feel free to hit me upand we can chat about this i have been doing good so far with the new algo but there is always new stuff and opinions to learn and hear i do both adult and mainstream seo __________________ icq - 205700725 email - marke4a at gmail com phone - 416-809-4393

12-16-2012, 02:21 PM	#15
Nelzon Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 80	Adult SEO and Mainstream SEO are the same, I would say there is more competition in Adult SEO but at the end it's all the same thing. One thing tho, adult SEO is slower then mainstream!

12-17-2012, 03:07 AM	#16
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06-27-2013, 10:49 PM	#18
catfightreport Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 49	I get to live in both worlds in a sense. One of my sites is strictly adult, with nudity, and the other is "sexy", but I got it approved by Paypal after going up the line and it's free of nudity. The theory is the same for both, however, new age rules of course make it harder. Most of my traffic came from Yahoo Groups and Message boards. Mind you, these were only groups or message boards that have to do with "my" genre. I've done a lot of link trades, and a lot of interviews with popular females, and I would have to say the interviews bring the most traffic. Especially, the ones that were done via video. But, our female wrestling preview videos on the non-nude site do pretty well too. __________________ The Catfight Report - CLICK HERE Catfight Fantasy Girls - CLICK HERE The Female Wrestling Channel - CLICK HERE

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VinceRuth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 789	Hmm... depends your niche and seo that you make of your websites,but good luck and more money . __________________ Sex Xxx Free Porn Pictures Free