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Old 04-29-2010, 06:34 AM   #1
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GFY Educational Series: Signing up for trades and basic starters guide

I run alot of tgps... some of my trade forms are open and some are not. This is usually how it works with most tgp webmasters... there are two distinct ways to gain a traffic trade these days... you can either sign up, if the form is open, or you can contact the webmaster and ask for a trade.

There are some basic rules to follow when it comes to traffic trades. First and foremost... if you don't have traffic or have very little traffic then you should not waste our time signing up for trades without contacting the webmaster. If you don't have traffic or have very little traffic and know a couple of webmasters you should contact them and ask them to force a little traffic to you... if you have a few friends that can do that then you will have a little traffic to build on.

If you don't know anyone then you should probably spend a little money and buy some feeder traffic. I don't recommend buying general feeder from any broker except for Traffic Out that has been sent from a clicked link with your site name or term as the link anchor. I say this from experience and not prejudice. I have found that feeder traffic from skim traffic brokers typically doesn't provide you a good value and is a waste of money unless you buy from particular sites who have good traffic and match your sites niche. Your site prod (how many times each visitor clicks on your galleries) will be low and even worse... the prod of your traffic on a trades site will be low as well. If you really want to BUILD your site... you need good traffic to do it and not garbage unless you are building a Circle Jerk site with very little clicks going to galleries. The bottom line is this: don't sign up for trades if you have no traffic... you are wasting your time.

Once you have some traffic to start trading: when you sign up for a trade... make sure that you can send traffic to that trade... either understand how to force traffic using the trade script or add links to your site in places where they will be clicked to ensure that you will be sending traffic to that trade. It makes no sense whatsoever to sign up for a trade without sending any traffic to get the trade started. If you sign up for a trade and don't send traffic... your site will be deleted... it's just the way it works.

If you have a little traffic to start trading but you are having problems getting your script to send traffic to your new trade... you have a couple of options... first, you can add links (toplist links which are counted by your trade script) in places on your site that will generate clicks and alternatively, you could contact the webmaster to see if they could start a mutual force to help get the trade started. DON'T LIE about how much traffic you can send. You will not be able to grow a 100k site overnight without experience... so don't waste time trying to scam people into sending you alot of traffic. The TGP business is a large community... but they are a community and alot of webmasters know each other... if you scam people you will get blacklisted... it's as simple as that.

NICHE is important. If you don't know what a niche is, it refers to a category of content that is specific... for example, "Softcore Nudes" is a niche. Typically, this niche is content like what you would find at Met Art, Femjoy and other sites. It is very important that you learn to differentiate niches... because it is common for new webmasters to get it confused. I have had quite a few new webmasters tell me that they ran a "Babes" site and it had a mix of teens and nude art (ie. art nude). "Babes", as a niche, is something totally different. "Babes" as a niche usually means glamour type content that you would find on Playboy or Penthouse. Niche is important because it defines what you are selling... and the secret to selling memberships is to target your traffic so that they see what they want to see when they visit your site.

If you are running a site with every gallery you can find from lots of different sponsors you are running a "General" niche site and you should only trade with other sites who are doing the same thing... occasionally, you can trade with niche sites and get good results... but typically, your traffic on the niche site will not produce good results because the surfers are usually looking for something specific. You are much better off starting a site with sponsors and galleries that match a specific niche... and then trading with sites that match that niche. This includes using pictures and movies... if you have a site that mixes movies and picture galleries... you should only trade with sites that mix picture and movie galleries... I recommend that if you want to really build good targeted traffic you should not mix movies and picture galleries in the same site. Many webmaster might differ on that opinion... however, it is my opinion based on my experience. Some surfers prefer pictures over movies and some surfers only want movies... it just makes sense to me that you have a site that matches what your surfers want. Remember, targeting your traffic is what makes you sales and is imperative for getting good prod on your site and your trades sites. This is the key to building traffic... if you have good quality traffic and good prod on your trades sites they will send you back more traffic.... this is how the scripts work.

Lastly, if you are starting a new site... don't sign up for alot of new trades all at once unless you have the traffic to support them. You won't be able to get the trades started anyway and will probably get deleted.

If you have specific questions about starting new sites, post your question here and I will answer it the best I can... I am sure that others will post their advice as well.

NOTE: Remember this point... not everyone that posts advice on these forums has a clue about what they are talking about. Many people have been in the business for a long time but have never had a site over 5-10k/day because they just never understood the principles of how to trade traffic. Some people just like to post advice to make themselves look smart when they really don't know what they are talking about. This is a sad fact about the internet... you have to learn how to distinguish good advice from bad.

About the Author: Shawn McAllister (nation-x) got started as an adult webmaster in early 2002. Over the last 8 years he has built a large traffic network as well as developed and sold scripts for adult webmasters such as TGP Daemon, Gallery Daemon, Link Daemon and more. For the last 5 years he has worked with AdultReviews.com as a traffic manager and developer. His most recent achievement has been to develop LifestyleAmateurs.com from concept to it's current state as an up and coming giant in the Amateur Paysite market.

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Old 05-04-2010, 02:18 PM   #3
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Awesome read Shawn thanks. I may shoot you an e-mail in a couple days and see about getting a couple traffic trades going.
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Old 05-05-2010, 01:07 AM   #9
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If you are new to the TGP or MGP trading scene, this is good valuable info.
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lots of information i have it book marked to refer back...
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Old 05-07-2010, 08:53 PM   #13
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Thanks for the compliments... I am surprised that noone has asked any questions...
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what do u think is a lot of traffic and what is a lilttle?
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what do u think is a lot of traffic and what is a lilttle?
for what purpose?
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Thanks for the info, I have several niched TGP and need to work on trades
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I have a foot fetish TGP www.footlounge.com - designed, installed but never acutally launched. What would you suggest to do to get some foot fetish traffic? BTWA, I could not find any niches in Traffic Out - do they sell foot fetish traffic?
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I have a foot fetish TGP www.footlounge.com - designed, installed but never acutally launched. What would you suggest to do to get some foot fetish traffic? BTWA, I could not find any niches in Traffic Out - do they sell foot fetish traffic?
They don't sell niche traffic but it is 100% clicked from a text link... so it tends to be pretty targeted... no blind traffic. Since Foot Fetish isn't really a mainstream niche I would say you probably would be best off buying plugs on foot fetish dumps or submitting galleries or videos. If you can find some foot fetish sites that sell traffic you can also try that traffic. There are quite a few sites to trade with http://www.google.com/search?q=foot+fetish+tgp

It looks like there is a problem with your script or something... there is an error at the top.
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They don't sell niche traffic but it is 100% clicked from a text link... so it tends to be pretty targeted... no blind traffic. Since Foot Fetish isn't really a mainstream niche I would say you probably would be best off buying plugs on foot fetish dumps or submitting galleries or videos. If you can find some foot fetish sites that sell traffic you can also try that traffic. There are quite a few sites to trade with http://www.google.com/search?q=foot+fetish+tgp

It looks like there is a problem with your script or something... there is an error at the top.

Thanks a lot, seems like it will take more time and effort than I thought
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for what purpose?
for a paysite the said they are geting good traffic when trying to trade traffic
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this should be moved to educational series section so its easy to find...anyways bookmarked
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Good read, thank you!
Just few questions:
1. What return value are good for TGP to grow? Some people say, that minimal to grow 115 return, are they right?
2. What is minimal prod for trade to keep it in active traders? Now I'm deleting any trades with <120 effective prod
Currently I have TGP in niche pornstars/bigtits - erotrip.com with 1st click to content, trade skim 65%, noref skim 80%, trade prod 215-230, summary prod 240-265, return 95-105. Traf now ~18-22k, best traf value for 1.5 years were 50k with skim 50%. Now I haven't any ideas how to gain at least 80k, what I'm doing wrong?
If you have any helpful ideas about my situation it would be great to hear it from guru, like you.
Thx again!
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My first TGP site is about 1 month in (Sluthaven.com)

I don't know anyone, and I don't want to spend too much on it because I don't expect it to make too much (but maybe enough to take my gf out for dinner once or twice each month sorta thing)

Anyway the traffic feeder I have been using is the type of site you do NOT recommend (Traffic Holder, lots of circle jerking) and since you make a very valid point, I want to spend a little bit on the type of traffic sites you're talking about instead can you (or anyone with experience) provide a name or two of good traffic sites?

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This certainly was a most riveting tale old chap.
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Good article. You mention your favorite Broker, Traffic Out. But for a TGP noob, do you recommend any Traffic Trade Directories to investigate that keep their site lists and info current?

(And I'll take this opportunity to bump my Link Trade on ManPuppy.com for gay traffic - the link is on the menu on the main page
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