SleazyDream

good point

thanks

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BradM

Honestly I don't think Scott knows what his site is or he would have been able to answer it for us. I think he is even confused by it.

SleazyDream

you might be right - but i'm gona testing and tweeking it to see what happens....

i've always been amazed at what works and what doesn't.... it's always been weird.

Every time I think i know what will sell and what won't i seem to be proven different by testing...

that was my point though... only testing will tell.....esp with something new.

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SleazyDream

what is your site? herbal? do you sell weed? I don't get it.......

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Shap

Btw Scott someone earlier in the thread mentioned that there is a community based around these signals. That is who you are going after. If you haven't already I'd spend a lot of time in that community and see what they are saying, what they look for and getting their feedback. You have to hit that market just perfect and milk the hell out of them. That is where your opportunity lies. If you look at the marketing that is happening on tube sites it's very aggressive by some very talented marketers. I understand you are trying to launch the site on a showstring budget and that's why I think you really have to fine tune it and cater to the market as well as you possibly can and tapping into that community's wealth of information and desires is going to be the key.

I always look at things as to how they might do today, next year and 2 years from now. The problem with the site is it doesn't look like a site that is launching in 2010. That hurts. This industry has done a lot of damage and burned a lot of innocent surfers. Seeing a site that looks like it's from that time period may bring up those trust issues. I may be wrong. That's just how I see it.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I wasn't comparing you to Dirty D, I said that this thread is entertaining while people are waiting for him to post in the thread about him.



At least you are responding to people...

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Shap

I agree 1000000000000%. You never know what will work. That's why it's always smart to focus and build something you really like because there is always someone else that can identify with you. If you build something you think someone else might like it doesn't always end pretty. I believe a large portion of the money you made in the industry was because you catered to people you understood and people that were similar in mindset to you. And you killed with it.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

One of BradM's sites sells Performance Wipes:



Oh, and he sells Horny Goat Weed too...seriously, he does:



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DVTimes

i think it will sell.

but make some vids funny.

i think if its fun it will sell.

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SleazyDream

that's exactly where I'm going with this.....

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Correct, I sell weed.

Shap

Then you know what. It will do well. You don't need the gfy hype. All you need to do is build it up internally. Get it rocking. Reinvest as much as you can and it will turn into a beast. Once you have the numbers then bring the hype to gfy.

Shap

btw my bad I just read the original post again where you mention you are hoping people will hop on board and promote it and help you launch it. The bad news is this isn't 2005. The affiliate model is dead. If you rely on affiliates to make this a success it's going to be a rough and possibly short ride.

That may be why my first post came across the wrong way. I was looking at this project as a 2010 launch project does it have what it takes to succeed in the market today. I don't know what your $$$ target is either which makes it tough.

My comments are regarding a site that is looking to MAKE money.

SleazyDream

but but but i LIKE poking people...................

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SleazyDream

i don't believe the affiliate model is dead. many sites relying on it are now dead, but the model is still decent in my mind

i believe it all depends on how you market it.

posting on gfy won't make me much.... just gets me out there is all and I enjoy it

i plan on marketing it in a lot of different ways and seeing if any of them works....

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I know

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xxweekxx

i just watched the videos for the first time, so now i have something else to add, i think what you are offering is not worth the price point...

so basically surfer will pay $30 a month to get one new porn video from 1980 that shows 1-2 "signals".. i dont think its the right approach...

make some vids of a guy going out in public meeting girls, etc, itll sell... i showed this to 2 of my best buds, and they didnt understand, and after watching the vids they are like wtf is this shit? anyway the concept is nice, just need some tweaking and capital..

you need to shoot some custom videos in High quality.. this isnt 2002, its 2009, old shitty vids dont work anymore

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ThumbLord

GOD, so it looks like I agree with Shap.
please let me sleep through this and when awake tomorrow this is all a bad dream.
I checked the domain and got confused, so I asked people that have no clue of the Industry to look as well, yep my favorite pub has WIFI, and .......... well we all got drunk and still had no clue.
So I am clueless but heh ........ if Sleazy thinks this is a winner, who am I to ditch this idea.

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StoneOzark

Looks good so far, in your link trade section will you have a area for softcore or will it all be together ? I'd give you an " A " for effort trying to start and build something from the ground up.

SleazyDream

thank you for the comment, but you don't understand what I'm doing. that's ok, not everyone understands everything.

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I apologize for losing my cool and calling you an idiot.

If you want some advice from me I will share it with you. If you don't think I have any ideas that can help you and you have it all figured out, good luck with your project.

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Shap

You definitely still have that touch of getting people to get hyped either positive or negative for you. This thread is definitely getting the site out there and going to help you get a few people to push traffic to it. Way to work the board

SleazyDream

shoot - i'm always willing to listen.

like I've said before - i'm not taking all advise. just those I consider to be good. there are a lot of things I'm aiming for you may not understand and that might be why i'm not taking some advise and using others....

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xxweekxx

what are you talking man? i dont understand what you are doing?

I was simply showing the website to "surfers" and they dont understand

remember surfers are very stupid, your site needs to make sense and capture their attention.. i have a very high IQ, University Degree, built a website when i was 13, paid my way through college, all my bills, and im still making 6 figs a month

If i dont understand then maybe its NOT ME, Maybe its the WEBSITE/CONCEPT/DESIGN

stop attacking me i am on your side, i feel bad for you i know how it feels to go from top to bottom..

just saying that those videos wont retain members, thats all

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SleazyDream

i learned a LONG time ago sparking emotion is the MOST important thing in selling ANYTHING.


the weird part is it doesn't seem to matter is it's positive or negative emotion, and i got both LOL

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nico-t

is this what all the hype was about and where everybody who got a sneak preview was so positive about? Or is this a decoy site? It has to be....



bros really suck

SleazyDream

you don't have to get mad about it - that just shows if you're an idiot or not...

there are some things you don't understand... face it and move on

you may get them later - i'm not here to teach you or do i want to.

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SleazyDream

i know. I could learn a lot from sites like this

http://www.xxxld.com/

buuuuuhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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Agent 488

the point is if everyone here still has no idea what the site is about how is a surfer going to?

xxweekxx

lol so i give you advice then all of a sudden im an idiot that doesnt understand, the website is right in front of me, whats hard to understand?? if I DONT understand imagine the other millions who DO NOT understand either, is that good for you?

and nah i never get mad on GFY whats the point?

end of the day i still make my money, travel around, and live life, so whatever man...

goodluck and ill be bump this for you next year when the alexa rank is still 5,000,000 and it has no sales, only because you are stubborn and don't want to listen to people who can spell better than you

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SleazyDream

don't get your panties in a bunch....it's just there are some things you dont' understand. come to terms with it and you'll be a much happier person

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cause there's a 20 iq point gap difference between a troll and the average surfer.......


trolls don't understand subtle.... it's ok, I already knew that

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nico-t

wtf yea thats a simple adult directory of mine, whats your point

xxweekxx

i dont understand millions of things, heck billions, but there are some i DO understand and i wrote them, ill outline them again amigo:

1. the site is confusing as heck, the average person does not KNOW what it is about.
2. Those videos look very old and dont offer much to be desired
3. You show few signals in a video
4. So why is the surfer joining? if they want porn, your site sucks for it, if they want signals, you offer little to be desired too.

All im saying is you will need more than few vids from 1980 to retain people, i know you think that by showing the "signals" in the crappy videos they will stay, but thats not how it works...

Let me guess your reply? "there are things i dont understand"

Well goodluck im done here, will just watch and see

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I just keep refreshing this thread every so often, it's fun. Keep it up, guys.

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will76

My advice:

- partner up with someone to shoot your own custom videos. I don't see how using obvious porn videos to show someone how a female shows signals to guys is going to fly. It's a porn video, everyone knows its a porn video. The chick and the dude is being paid to the there. None of those situations will happen in real life. The surfer isn't going to learn how to pick up chicks from looking at a porn video. This will be one of your critical flaws. If you can shoot your own videos, in real life situations, that is common for the surfer to be in, like in the mall, bar, grocery store, etc... then you going to have a very hard time with this site. Show the right and wrong way to approach the girl, make the wrong way ones funny, those will have a lot of viral potential especially if you do R rated versions that can go on youtube and X rated versions for the tube sites.

- Make the videos not only show how to "pick up" a chick, but what to do to her sexuallly. Lot of guys don't know what they hell they are doing, I would do some video shoots of a girl explaining to guys, this is what we like, this is what we don't like etc.. you could have a lot of fun with that. Again its more porn, but also funny and entertaining.

- Who is giving the advice on your site? The first thing I would want to know about an advice site is who the person is giving it. If it is going to be you then talk yourself up about how you fucked 1000's of girls and want to share this info with everyone. Play on the fact that you are fat, ugly, etc.. most surfers are and can relate to that, and if they believe that they can get laid following your methods they might pay for it.

- Make your member's area more interractive. Having a chick do Q & A in the member's area would be a big plus. You can't just have a bunch of text and a couple videos there. Seriously, people who signup will never rebill, unless they forget to cancell. Even if you add a video a day or whatever, they will get enough of that right away unless you provide interraction with them.

I'll stop there. If anyone else wants some feed back or consulting let me know. I can analyze your entire site, give you tons of ideas, suggestions etc... work out an affordable price for a couple hours of work.

Hope that helps you, good luck.

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xxweekxx

same shit i said too exactly.. the vids need work in order to keep members... simple & short

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teh ghey

I predict this will be very successful and can be promoted with porn and non porn outlets. Good for you.
There are mainstream sites out now that make a killing in this niche, i know of 2 already.

SleazyDream

ok will76 - i'll respond

- partner up with someone to shoot your own custom videos. I don't see how using obvious porn videos to show someone how a female shows signals to guys is going to fly. It's a porn video, everyone knows its a porn video. The chick and the dude is being paid to the there. None of those situations will happen in real life. The surfer isn't going to learn how to pick up chicks from looking at a porn video. This will be one of your critical flaws. If you can shoot your own videos, in real life situations, that is common for the surfer to be in, like in the mall, bar, grocery store, etc... Show the right and wrong way to approach the girl, make the wrong way ones funny, it has viral potential.

I agree i need better videos LATER, that will come. budget remember. Where it flies is these signals are real, the girls arn't acting the signals in those videos, they naturally did them knowing they were about to have sex. they were shot for another site of mine. That's what's so cool about it - corny or not - those are REAL yessignals from models who knew they were about to have sex with guys they were attracted to.

- Make the videos not only show how to "pick up" a chick, but what to do to her sexuallly. Lot of guys don't know what they hell they are doing, I would do some photo shoots of a girl explaining to guys, this is what we like, this is what we don't like etc.. you could have a lot of fun with that. Again its more porn, but also funny and entertaining.

once again - this are areas I plan on moving into later - with some money. i don't disagree with this - I can't afford to go shoot 20 new videos right now. I'm fully aware of this.

- Who is giving the advice on your site? The first thing I would want to know about an advice site is who the person is giving it. If it is going to be you then talk yourself up about how you fucked 1000's of girls and want to share this info with everyone. Play on the fact that you are fat, ugly, etc.. most surfers are and relate to it, and if they believe that they can get laid following your methods they might pay for it.

i don't think you need to gave someone give advise - in fact i designed it specifically NOT to have that. it's designed to have people see the yessignals, and recognize SOME of them and then realize they don't know them all and spark interest from there. I HATED watching some asshole tell me shit and being cocky. I'm not one to follow the heard.... hey - if i HAVE to later do that to survive i'll go that way , but REALLY not wanting to go down that road. So that advise I totally disagree with. WHo's right - no idea, just not a road i want to go down. i believe the more you THINK stuff in your head - the better chances you'll eventually sign up. I believe sales are about making people THINK. if you tell them everything you don't sell. If you make them ask questions in their head - you have curiously... you can't achieve that with some jerk telling you everything and it just doesn't feel natural. just my take on it

- Make your member's area more interractive. Having a chick do Q & A in the member's area would be a big plus. You can't just have a bunch of text and a couple videos there. Seriously, people who signup will never rebill, unless they forget to cancell. Even if you add a video a day or whatever, they will get enough of that right away unless you provide interraction with them.

i agree with interactive but allowing people to post unrestricted is a NO NO as there are always negative idiots out there. I'll be expanding all the time on it. not just videos but all kinds of pick up information. looking at expanding into a lot of things inside as time goes on and expanding with members I hope will increase retension


I'll stop there. If anyone else wants some feed back or consulting let me know. I can analyze your entire site, give you tons of ideas, suggestions etc... work out an affordable price for a couple hours of work.

Hope that helps you, good luck.





some of it did it help - some, not all - but like I said before I listen and take what i think is valid...... I did appreciate your opinions and I hope I helped you to understand why I'm not taking ALL of your ideas.

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holy shit, worst porn video I ever saw: http://www.yessignals.com/movies/movie0015.html (see the end)

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Sleazy my only interaction with you in all of my years on GFY was on one occasion when you called me an "idiot".

but I digress...

The site is great...you definitely took a unique approach at something that has been around in one form or another especially over the past few years. Someone is bound to knock it off...actually they are probably working on it right now.

Best of luck with it. I'm sure you won't need much.

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thats cool glad I could help.

So, it's not a full blown "how to pick up girls" site. It is specifically on teaching people to look for signals girls give? Other then the signals you are not going to provide any other dating advice ? That is where my thoughts came in if it was an advice site they need to know who is giving it. If it is going to be like an encyclopedia that is different, no need to have a narrator.

You can still "partner" with someone on a budget. My personal opinion is that you need real life situations where girls give the signals for it to have a chance. IMO, that is almost as important as having credit card approval. Surely, you know someone who shoots porn and can partner with you. Even though the girls in the porn videos are really touching their hair, you can't get past the fact its a porn video, and I believe the surfer is going to spot that right away and think it is not realistic, not a situation they would ever be in. I get what you saying, but I don't think the surfer will.

Last bit of advice, something I tell everyone lauching something new. Never try to get affiiliates until your site is up and running for at least 3-6 months and you have tested it completly with your own traffic. Usually you have a one shot deal with most people. If your site has broken links, not setup for visa yet, a non optimized signup page, etc... your conversions wont be good, and niether will your affiliates. They will stop promoting and likely never give you a second chance. I see you say "its a work in progess" "you are still testing, lot of stuff to do"... great, but do it with your own traffic. Most affiliates will not appreciate their traffic being the guinea pig. Square it all away, tweak your pages, work it with your own traffic for 3-6 months till you know what works best, then go after your affiliates. You have a much better chance of keeping them that way and not pissing them off.

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teh ghey

I just saw the video
Sleazy youre making a big mistake by putting porn on it.
You should take the porn off and keep it pg-13, list it with clickbank and use paypal as your processor.
then you can get adult AND mainstream webmasters to promote you. ever heard of DoubleyourDating?

will76

Wow, now 100 videos like that I would pay to see, real life stuff, funny stuff. One question though, you really watched all 14 minutes ? He will probably want to edit that out though, unless that is added to the "not to do" section... don't nut in a porn model's pussy without her permission.

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i've got over 200 exclusive - some better than others but like that... gona be adding one a day maybe 2 a day later

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SleazyDream

yep - even bought it. couldn't stand 10 mins of watching him

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