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SleazyDream

com on Is dont spel thats bad dos I?

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thinkin' about this yessignals site, i'd make it more "mainstreamish".. like having a cool video-sales-page, make them surfers opt-in and then have a good sales-funnel autoresponder thing going on..

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SleazyDream

aiming for an opt in newsletter. adding movies to it is a good idea - hadn't thought of that

agree i need to revamp the movies pages. that will come

workable ideas

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Agent 488

i troll sleazy but west canuck webmasters have to stick together.

SleazyDream

wasn't refering to you previous either when I was shitting on people, forgot to clarify that.... sorry if you misunderstood

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Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life

Is this seriously the "never before done idea" that he was champing up? This has been fucking done before. What fucking rock have all you guys been hiding under that have been saying "this has never been done before"?

I gotta go try and remember what it was called and try to dig it up now, but I know for a fact that a content shooter that I've spoke to from this very forum had an identical product out oh, about 2 years ago. Mind you, it never really seemed to take off, I suspect because of the shitty fucking Verotel billing or whatever it was that he had setup. But it was done already. I should still have some links on some old ass sites if I can find the old files and scrape it up.

Go jump around in the Clickbank marketplace. There's probably as many as a couple DOZEN of these exact fucking products there right now.

I was actually getting to the point where I believed Sleazy was onto something unique with all you people's yapping. I was actually halfways expecting some sort of sleazy fnatasy story/video /pic mixture that tied the two into one ongoign fantasy building scenario the way everyone was going on about "something sleazy knows and does well" and whatnot...

Not taking away from the idea any, I'm sure it will convert for Sleazy, and I do give him props for going a different route than MOST here would, but a one of a kind, this certainly is not. For fuck sakes...

SleazyDream

that is if you compare it to a standard PUA site - this isn't.... every one I've ever sceen is either heavy text based for some person telling you how to be cocky...

I've never scene a site focusing on flirting body language... not saying it doesn't exist... but I've never scene one.

so can you show me another site made for adult focusing on flirting body language?

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SleazyDream

Will76 just gave me to REALLY REALLY good ideas in icq that I'm working on implementing...

thank you Will76

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BillyHoe

Hey Sleazy,
I looked at the site again and if you don't mind a few suggestions.
I'd suggest you try some old mainstream tricks with news letters.
Put two or three tips in an ebook. Get an opt in mailer program(phplist works well) then send them a new lesson everyday for three days. On the forth day send them a splash to join for more, offer them a special price for 48hrs.
A few tips if you decide to do this.
Make sure your CCBill cookie is at least 6 days+ old or you're fucking your affiliates.
Make sure you use a script that is attached to each opt in user. Set the expiry of the link to 6 days
If you'd like some help or more details hit me up on ICQ I've done a few things like this before it's not overly hard to setup and quite effective.


Also I'd consider becoming an amazon affiliate and upsell in the members area to the book "The Game" Your site and this book have alot in common. ;)

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Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life

http://www.bodylanguageproject.com/

the guy who shot the content of "angel button" and a few other sologirls put this project together a couple years back. i remember us chatting regularly for a while way back. can'tremember for the life of me what his name was now.

I will give it to you, it is admittedly mostly a text based deal though. I guess doing the exact same thign with video instead, is a little different. I know I've seen similiar setups more video focused on Clickbank.

That douchenozzle DatingGameExpert has made himself a DVD product that focuses on a svery similiar premise that he sells himself. (Yes I called you a douchenozzle you faggot, I hope you read this )

I'll give it to you one more time though Sleazy, you sure can hype a product, and havign doen it in video and gathered the backing of so many bigger adult webmasters already, you'll probably do well with it for yourself. Your success here will be in your Pr and promotion, not a "unique" idea.

Either wya, good luck with it man. better to see you take a stab at this idea than any other collection fo routes you could have gone with an "adult" audience.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life

man my typing dyslexia shined through in that post

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life

This is an excellent listbuilding method that works. It was basically the entire premise to Robert Allen's "Multiple Streams of Online Income" book. Look into it Sleazy. And don't neglect heading over to some mainstream forums and giving yourself some promotion. This is a great crossover niche you're in...

BillyHoe

I don't just do adult list building is the key to mainstream but shhh we didn't say that out loud..lol

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Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life

There's a lot of things that aren't said out loud...

It's ok when they slip once in a while though, most people completely overlook them anyways...

BillyHoe

very true.

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will76

Everything has been done before to some degree. Almost impossible these days to come up with an 100% original idea.

A lot of people come up with the same ideas too. If 4 people had the same exect idea, 2 would never even try to do anything with it, 1 would try but not finish it or market it, and 1 might actually get it all put together and launch it.


well probably more like 100 people would think of it, 10 woud fuck around with it and 1 person would put it all together, execute it and launch it.


no problem

mental note made... thanks for the info

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Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life

Fair enough, you raise a good point. Lots of people out there with good ideas who never take action.

TheSenator

There are about 15 pizza place in less than a 10 mile radius that have been around forever.

There is always room...

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BillyHoe

But which one makes the best pizza?

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weekly

1997....hmmmm. You know the Heinz Ketchup label is over a hundred years old and still outsells everyone. That impresses me.
I think maybe a few of you need to pay attention to those who know a lot more than you do.

SleazyDream

planning on the newsletter. the cookie length is a good idea. thank you

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SleazyDream

wasn't aware of that site. and it certainly isn't targeted for adult websites.

interesting though.

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Bjorn

i think this is a clever trick from mr.sleazydream, launch a bad looking site so everyone says it sucks and laughs at him, and then suddenly launch the real site design and setup, and get double the exposure. Clever!

SleazyDream

honestly, in porn since when has design really been a serious factor in success?

it's about marketing. period. design comes later when there's disposable income.

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NYRangers

I didn't read thru all of the pages but I do hope there was some flat out honesty. The site is designed like a train wreck. It's bad enough that most of the women aren't worth the effort to stick around, but the flow of the site and pure design is horrendous. Plus I don't care what most of the ignorant clowns say, spelling mistakes are unprofessional and portray your product as being the same. I'm hoping someone pointed it out because I am not going to waste my time reading thru everything, but it is spelled copyright!

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Bjorn

hm im not sure i agree, maybe a few years ago, i think that now the users want to have some design, they can see if the pics look homemade , but im talking about my country now, not US.

I dont mean it needs alot of design, my favourite designer charges me like 300 for a whole site, and then it looks good. I just give him my mockup and then he fixes it for me. Im no designer , i work traffic, cant do it all!

SleazyDream

could you show me examples of sites you think look better please

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SleazyDream

i really don't get the train wreck comment. i honestly only hear this from webmasters....

can you show me something better? do you mind explaining... no one has been able to do that


by the way - thru is spelled through

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Bjorn

sure, i dont have in your niche though , but here is some he made:

http://norskemaria.com/
http://frekkefilmer.com/
http://www.svensksex.com/
http://norskeleona.com/
http://nakenprat.com/
http://www.svenskaslampor.com/
(its in norwegian and swedish)

Bjorn

here is some english versions...forgot about it

http://www.norskemaria.com/index-english.html
http://frekkefilmer.com/index-en.html
http://norskeleona.com/index-english.html

SleazyDream

well i can comment on design esp since i don't understand the language.

basically all but one are identical - just different colors... pretty much the same layout. I tried everything NOT to have that layout. I know a lot of people think this is the only layout - i don't believe surfers think like that. I personally hate that layout cause EVERYONE and his dog uses it. the text is WAY too small and font is too simple...

http://nakenprat.com/ - you have to be kidding me - this is what I should be doing? Please tell me this is a joke. this is a disaster if I ever saw one. not clear at all and totally overcrowded. text way too small.



BUT that doesn't mean they don't sell, just means they really aren't original in my OPINION in any way shape form or fashion. The images are, the layouts are not. Well all but maybe the nakenprat one - it's a disaster in it's own special right...I can see why your designer charged you very little - they're all the same!!!!!!!!

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Bjorn

okei sure, keep going, im sure your site will be a success...ill just join the club and tell you its a great site, im sure it will sell VERY well! Good luck!

SleazyDream

can you tell me why you think those are fantastic and original? i mean the content is very cool, but that's not what we're talking about....

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SleazyDream

can you back it up or did you just shit on me cause you thought it was the cool thing to do?

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I've tried to refrain from being insulting, but I am pretty much fed up with your being a total asshole towards many people whom have respectfully tried to give you good advice regarding your current train wreck site...

The straight truth... your "Yes Signals" website is an absolute, total, piece of shit.

After days, you haven't incorporated most of the suggested positive changes, but have instead engaged in non-stop nonsensical debates with Choker and others.

Even if this turns out to be a completely fabricated marketing ruse (and I doubt that you are smart or capable enough of pulling off such a thing by yourself), you irregardlessly still have made yourself out to be a rather stupid and ungracious, not to mention, despicable person.

While I once felt empathy for your nightclub failure, among your other recent failures (the land deal with J-Man, etc), I now understand why it was inevitable.

I understand now, that if you should have any future success in this business, it will be because of others, not because of your own intelligence and skills, since you have proven that you lack either.

ADG

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Bjorn

the designs are not original but they are clean and the point is easily shown. Ok not on the nakenprat site (thats a free site and showing as many ads as possible), but on the paysites.

On http://www.yessignals.com you sell professional advice about how to pick up women, then i think the site need to look more professional also, and getting a designer to improve what you made yourself, by making a better logo, and generally lift it up one notch, would help.

Also i would add more seling points, example:
http://www.yessignals.com/PickUpLines.html
..here you say some pickuplines and then as me to join . Why should i join ? What do i get ? I would add a text that says for example "Do you want the complete guide? watch all our instructional videos? Then join here. Stuff like that

Bjorn

Huh ? why should i shit on you sleazydream for fun ? Would i have anything to gain ? of course not. I am not your competitor, nor do i have any bad feelings towards you. i was just suprised when i saw this site of yours, i have to admit i expected it to be better. Thats it.

SleazyDream

dude - I spent a lot of time cutting movies, responding to this thread, and reworking my join page samples of which are posted here - which got shit on - by someone who when i checked his join page was an absolute total joke...

also working on the non porn version and the newsletter.

I HAVE been working with many of the comments. You can even see that in this thread.

I expect people to be able to back up their statements.....

not just shit on me cause it's fashionable. I back up what I say or I retract.

your site has an decent layout - not like most others....

i really don't see the train wreck comment.... yes the movies page needs work but seriously - what is wrong with http://www.yessignals.com/BodyLanguage.html ? it's clean, it highlights the yessignals and doesn't distract from what i'm trying to convey. HOW IS THAT A TRAINWRECK? DO YOU MIND EXPLAINING or are you limited to shitting on me and not backing it up?

cause that would say a lot about you........you don't seem to think i have the right to question anyone.............

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I'm joining and hope to use my new skills to fuck a real girl very soon.

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SleazyDream

see that's a real comment. not a shot in the dark.
thank you.

I don't agree on the logo... I want it simple like that.... but i respect the advise. just as you don't agree on me thinking the text is too small on your site...


I do agree on the how to pick up a woman page. actually forgot about that one and def so need to upgrade it. thank you.


the info on the pick up lines is great actually.....THANK YOU.

that's helpful and not just kicking someone when they are down.

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Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life

I don't think there's anything wrong with the layout of the site, but I do think it could use a little cleaning up. The amateur style design works in many cases, but I'm not so sure it will in this case. It's just my gut feeling.

In either event, take the professional route and have another design done for you, get someone to do some nice clean graphics and split test the two (or more) options to figure out for yourself exactly what converts better. Don't just let it sit as is without trying some different things out. Let the numbers be the deciding factor. Not people on the forum's opinions (nor your own for that matter)...

I'm not completely convinced you're selling the customers on the product as well as you could be either. Again, that's just my opinion. Might be worth talking to a good copy writer. Split test different sales copies too, and see what performs best. It may be a slow start, but you'll find what works best with a little time and in the long run it will pay off putting this little bit of research into play...

SleazyDream

you're absolutely right about the testing... but even though the site looks small, there are hundreds of pages on this site in the free section. it deceiving...I'm actually getting some great comments on fixing up a few things within my budget....

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Oh, the site is "copywrited"?

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pocketkangaroo

I'm in the same boat. I think a lot of people are getting trolled hard.

kane

I didn't read most of this thread, but I did give the site a good look and here are my thoughts:

1. I was a little confused about what you were selling. Is it advice or porn or both? It looks like both, but to me the tour is a little unclear. I took it to mean the tour was mostly just a new slant on a porn site. If you are selling advice maybe you need to make it a little more clear.

For example:
http://www.yessignals.com/WhatWomenReallyWant.html
are you going to tell us what women want? If so. maybe you should say so.

http://www.yessignals.com/WhereToPickUpAWoman.html
will you be telling us where to meet women?

Some of them have clear cut info like
http://www.yessignals.com/PhoneNumber.html
here it seems pretty clear that you will be giving out what these techniques are.

So maybe a little more on what exactly the site is going to teach me (that is, if you are really selling advice.)


2. I think your movies are way too long. Why join when I get 17 movies that are all about 15 minutes long?

To me they could server 2 purposes. First, if this is what I get inside, there I don't really see advice. I talk to women all the time to touch their hair or touch my arm or cross their legs, but they aren't giving me head 2 minutes later. So if you are selling advice, the movies send a little bit of a mixed signal. Second, There is plenty of hardcore action here, I could just jerk it to these movies and move on. So I would really need to be sold on what else the site is going to give me if I were to join it.

Maybe you could edit the movies to show off the signals, then cut to the a few seconds of the action and say something like, "We teach you how to properly read and act on the yes signals so that you can turn a conversation into action." or something like that. As it sits, why would I need to read the signals? It looks like I just show up and the girl will give me head Now if the site can teach me to make that happen, I'm joining right now!

Anyway, just my observations.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life

That's good and all, but only good if you get their eyes that far. I'd consider losing the splash page, and getting a little more text on the index. As cliche as it is, the whole "testimonial" thing works, might want to look into slapping some bs testimonials from "successfully made pua's" on there too. Regardless of how much content there is deep inside the site, it appears a little thin...

just a couple suggestions you might want to look give some consideration.it's your baby though, so ultimately it's your call...

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life

Another good point. Kind of steps in line with what I was at with the "thinness" comment and the getting more text in place.

SleazyDream

great review.....

i'm selling advise and info on yessignals. I see the porn as a bonus.

talking with Will76 and am going to be adding an "about" page on the toolbar describing that you're talking about there in that.

I agree I do need some tweeking on some pages on the sales pitches. Some of those pages as you said are better than others... i'll play with that

I'm experimenting with the movie length at the begining... running with the idea to keep surfers longer on the site.


those are good suggestions with the movies on the editing....my purpose is to get them posted though and I'm under the impression tubes want movies as close to a real porn movie as possible - thus the length and such... i will be growing with sales pitches in them though.

insiteful review - thank you for your thoughts... I'll be using some of them

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