Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

what is an "aggresive breed" ? do you mean the top 3 statistically aggresive ? if you remove the top 3 there will always be TOP 3 moron.

Originally Posted by ahoy

Dude you have got to be fucking kidding me. So all the other breeds have the same power as a pitt?

Originally Posted by ahoy

lets say the only breed that existed was a chihuahua, now what if the only breed that existed was pitts? "

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Omg

Ok, i'm not gonna bother anymore since you simply won't understand it.

Sad.

Originally Posted by 12clicksMichele

I think Smokey's point is if you eliminated Pitbulls then the people that get Pitbulls that are either irresponsible and neglectful owners, criminals that get them for image and intimidation and the people that get them to fight them would then get another breed and display the same traits which in turn could turn a statistically less dangerous dog into just as dangerous as the pitbull.
So if all the examples above were applied to german shepherds then I am sure the statistics for german shepherd attacks would increase.

Again this is just my opinion of what I think Smokey is trying to get across.

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Why bring up other stuff when talking about Pittbulls. Wtf does it have to do with parents?

Whats next? Pittbulls are ok because cars kill more people?

Why do people always do that? If theyre defending something they know is bad they always try to find stuff that worse to make it look like what theyre doing is ok. Its fucking pathetic.

Were talking about dogs and not parents. And coming up with that vid to defend your case is just fucking stupid.

Originally Posted by pinupglam

Pit bulls are no more dangerous than any other breed. I've been around them most of my life and have two now and will have more. All the negative coverage they get in the media is merely done for shock/fear factor so that the news-types can get ratings.

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

finally some common sense arrives .. hello common sense , may i introduce you to my bewildered friends franck and ahoy

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

finally some common sense arrives .. hello common sense , may i introduce you to my bewildered friends franck and ahoy

Originally Posted by pinupglam

To be quite blunt, this argument is racist. Pit Bulls are used as attack/fighting dogs not because they are naturally aggressive, but because they are probably the most trainable dog breed there is. They also look tough, so the bottom-feeder element of our society has adopted this breed as its dog of choice in order to promote the thug/gangsta lifestyle they employ. These dogs are trained by this element of society to fight, be aggressive, attack, etc. and I certainly wouldn't recommend that anyone take a fighting dog into their home and have it around their kids. But the bottom line is that the vast majority of pits out there never attack anyone and are amazingly loving and loyal dogs.

There's probably 10 million of them out there and we have a couple hundred attacks a year, so therefore the entire breed is bad? Right. I suppose that since blacks commit seven times more violent crime in this country than whites, therefore all black people must be dangerous and avoided and banned from entire cities, right?

Get the facts, people... don't just cherry pick sensationalistic news stories and base your entire opinions on them.

Originally Posted by ahoy

Yes , you are right, the only pitbull deaths that have happened were by pits that were trained as special killing machines.

Originally Posted by ahoy

1000 pitbulls will and could kill more people then 1000 fucking Chihuahuas. Can you guys really argue this point

Originally Posted by ahoy

I don't care what kind of special killa training program you put a Chihuahua through, he simply doesn't have the NATURAL strength as a pitbull.

Originally Posted by notoldschool

65 posts and Smokeythebear still doesnt get it. Please be our guest to breed and leave them all alone in a candle lit room. enjoy.

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

you are wrong, child molesters should not be trained as school teachers..


oh i thought we were playing , "make stuff up out of thin air that nobody ever said "

Originally Posted by wizzart

Originally Posted by 12clicksMichele

I am just saying that pitbulls weren't "created" in the last 10 years. If there has been a rise of pitbull agression in the past 10 -15 years there has to be reason other than the dogs are just bad.

Originally Posted by maxjohan

No they were breed in the 18th century. And used primery as sporting dogs. Gaming with dogs and bulls and other animals became illegal in England 1835 . When more people moved to USA they took their
pittbulls with them to breed.

That's the history, they didn't come from the sky... but the arise in pitbull attacks are simple. Media write about them a lot more, and a few self destructive mental nuts read these news and get them for the wrong reasons.

Originally Posted by pornguy

If you want to compare imges of dogs and kids. Compare the images of the ones that have been bitten,, I will bet you that at least 7 out of 10 times you can tell which was a pit and which was not.

Originally Posted by 12clicksMichele

I am seriously asking this question, not trying to argue or push my opinion on anyone, but when do you first remember hearing about how pit bulls were so aggressive and were "killer" dogs? My question is sparked by the paragraph below which came from the site that wizzar posted.

I remember growing up with a huge shepherd and people telling my mother and father how crazy they were for having such a dangerous and aggressive dog around children. I had an aunt that refused to come to our house unless we locked the dog up. We heard the same about our Doberman. I honestly cannot remember hearing anything like the negative press pit bulls receive until about 8 years ago.

I am just saying that pitbulls weren't "created" in the last 10 years. If there has been a rise of pitbull aggression in the past 10 -15 years there has to be reason other than the dogs are just bad.

Originally Posted by AaronM

Kindly show me where I have slammed anybody who was anti-gun. Beyond that, a gun is an inanimate object. It does not have a mind of it's own and it's not an animal. It is a tool which is 100% harmless on it's own. It will not act sweet one minute then shoot somebody the next. It will not turn on it's owner, a child, or another gun. Guns are controlled by others, not themselves. They do not thirst for blood and it in not in their nature to attack, fight, or kill.

Some of what you have to say may be very true...But again, the very study quoted in that initial video states that pits own a 21% share in human deaths from dog attacks.

Yes, poodles and other kick dog types do bite, but they do not have what it takes to rip apart the head of a 5 year old.



Or a horse.



And the argument of how sweet everybody says their pit is...Well, that's just fucking dumb. How many serial killers have neighbors who said they were the perfect neighbor?

Here's an example of that:

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The dog rarely barked. He never growled, and his teeth - until a vicious attack Saturday night - had been reserved for chewing food, his owners say.

Chocolate - a caramel-colored pit bull a little more than a year old - was one of the most tranquil dogs Kenneth and Melissa Garrison had until, unprovoked, he snapped and nearly bit the nose off the couple's 1-year-old son.

Two days after the attack, sitting in the living room where their child's blood stained the carpet, the Garrisons were at a loss to explain Chocolate's actions, which left their son hospitalized for a night. Half of Jadyn Garrison's face was covered in a red scab yesterday, but doctors predict he will make a full recovery and not need surgery, the family said.

"Had we seen any signs that the dog was violent, he would have never came here," Melissa Garrison said.
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Try to convince me all you like but facts are facts. I hated pit bulls before my dog was almost killed by 2 of them. Now you think I'm going to change my mind?

My fiance had a half lab half pit mix. I knew the dog since it was a puppy but I would never even let it in my home. When we moved in together she had to give him up. Not one single shelter would take the dog unless she signed papers understanding that they would put it down immediately. People who run shelters typically love dogs so why was every shelter, within a 100 mile or so radius, be against taking in a pit mix? These people are dog experts who have dealt with pits and other breeds for years. What are your qualifications?

I've was bitten by 2 dogs in my childhood. My own families Cocker Spaniel and some little runt dog that lived down the street. In both instances I did something to provoke the bite. The first bite didn't even draw blood, the second one was on my earlobe and required a few stitches. Although both were very minor, they were still painful for a child. I was never mad at the dogs for my own stupidity......I've never heard of 2 Cocker Spaniels dragging a 7 month old baby out and tearing it apart. Have you?

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Just look at your avatar to confirm that. Fucking moron.

Originally Posted by pinupglam

To be quite blunt, this argument is racist. Pit Bulls are used as attack/fighting dogs not because they are naturally aggressive, but because they are probably the most trainable dog breed there is. They also look tough, so the bottom-feeder element of our society has adopted this breed as its dog of choice in order to promote the thug/gangsta lifestyle they employ. These dogs are trained by this element of society to fight, be aggressive, attack, etc. and I certainly wouldn't recommend that anyone take a fighting dog into their home and have it around their kids. But the bottom line is that the vast majority of pits out there never attack anyone and are amazingly loving and loyal dogs.

There's probably 10 million of them out there and we have a couple hundred attacks a year, so therefore the entire breed is bad? Right. I suppose that since blacks commit seven times more violent crime in this country than whites, therefore all black people must be dangerous and avoided and banned from entire cities, right?

Get the facts, people... don't just cherry pick sensationalistic news stories and base your entire opinions on them.

Originally Posted by Stephanie Hastert

Iam sorry Smokey.. I am offended by your ignorance of the Pit Bull terrier.

Sincerely
Stephanie Hastert

Originally Posted by maxjohan

By the way, why not cage fight a mosquito v.s a whale and see who lasts longer.

Originally Posted by 12clicksMichele

I know the history. My point is that at different times different dogs were considered more dangerous. It seems to go in cycles. I remember from when I was younger that rottweilers were considered the badasses and favored by the wanting to look tough element. They were also glorified in movies and tv's the way you see done on tv with pits now. I am not even talking about news stories. I am talking that 9 times out of 10 if you watch a movie where their are drug dealers with dogs around they were rotties and now when you see it they are pit bulls.

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

i bet you didnt think that through very hard did you , the whale would die very quickly without water , the mosquito would just fly thru the cage and bite your silly ass expecting the whale to win and give you malaria

Originally Posted by roly

what you are saying is total crap. they are used as attack/fighting dogs because that's what they've been bred for. lol to say it's becuase they're the most trainable dog is laughable. if fighting dogs were chosen because of trainability they would all be border collies or something similar, not a relatively unintelligent terrier. they're chosen/bred because of thier jaw strength, strength, stamina, pain threshold etc but intelligence doesn't come into it.

Originally Posted by smack

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

Originally Posted by maxjohan

We used to live with the occupation that Dobermwns were the badass dog breed when I was a teen. Judging by your avatar. I guess I'm in your age(mid 20s).

Everything goes in circles of course, just look at fashion. Or the mobile phone, as an improved device. Smaller thinner, more functions, and cleaner design?

But considered ...and what are, are two very different things.

The same goes for dogs, we learn new things and see new things. And we want to improve them in some way, or create new tools and better tools. More powerful tools and more badass tools.

Then we get rid of things, and make new discoverys, get new fresh views and so on.

We make life easier, safer, etc

The fact that I thought Dobermen was the most badass dog only mean that
I just like you didn't have much knowledge around Pittbulls.

They have been the most badass dog since the 18th century. Even before I were born(doh!)

But I know what you are getting at, and indeed they are seen more in
movies now days. But that arent don't judgmental right for the horryfying images we have seen in this thread.

And by evidence the damage on list after list you don't have to try to convince yourself otherwise. Crackdealers+pitbulls+movies.

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

i am sorry stephanie that you cant find one thing to support your argument and choose to call me ignorant on the subject without explaining yourself

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

nice quiz, I bet most people click 10 times before picking out the pit in there.

Originally Posted by roly

what you are saying is total crap. they are used as attack/fighting dogs because that's what they've been bred for. lol to say it's becuase they're the most trainable dog is laughable. if fighting dogs were chosen because of trainability they would all be border collies or something similar, not a relatively unintelligent terrier. they're chosen/bred because of thier jaw strength, strength, stamina, pain threshold etc but intelligence doesn't come into it.

Originally Posted by Stephanie Hastert

We've owned and bread American Pit Bull terriers for god knows how long. Most do not have the slightest idea of how to breed good-tempered dogs. Yes they possess extreme animal aggression but what breed does not? In our opinion a cockapoo is extremely aggressive.
A poodle is very temperamental and will snap at anything once provoked ...
What are you trying to prove ?
This propaganda is nothing short of nonsense!

Originally Posted by 12clicksMichele

I think maybe you misunderstood Smokey. From what I have taken from every comment of his since the beginning of the thread that he supports pitbulls.

Originally Posted by Stephanie Hastert

And the title of this thread is :
Very supporting!

Originally Posted by Oracle Porn

here's my natural born killer

get close and prepare to get your ass handed to you

Originally Posted by 12clicksMichele

I know this isn't really going to make a difference and will most likely not even be read. But in the assumption that this is a discussion where different opinions are tolerated I posted some history of the breed.

From their inception, these dogs have been bred for general human companionship, and since the 1900s, they have been bred for conformation showing as well. From the very beginning, pit bulls have been used as farm dogs, family dogs, military mascots, and all-purpose companions. In England, the Staffie Bull is affectionately known as ?The Nanny Dog? or ?The Children?s Nursemaid? because of their placid and nurturing demeanor toward children.


In 1903 Dr. Horatio Nelson Jackson hit the road with co-driver Sewall K. Crocker and a pit bull named Bud, who wore goggles, just like his master, to keep the dust from his eyes. Together, the three made the very first road trip across the US. Bud drew almost as much public attention as his fellow travelers. While it is unclear as to why Jackson and Crocker picked up Bud about halfway through their trip, one story suggests that Jackson rescued him from dogfighters.

In the early twentieth century, pit bulls were so respected for their loyalty, determination, and bravery that they were chosen to represent America in WWI posters. The first decorated canine war hero was a pit bull named Sergeant Stubby. He was, until his death, a guest of every White House administration.

Many highly respected historical figures have owned pit bulls: President Woodrow Wilson, President Theodore Roosevelt, Helen Keller, Fred Astaire, Humphrey Bogart, and Thomas Edison, to name a few.

Today, pit bulls are respected and dearly loved by those who know them for what they truly are and not the monsters the media has created.

Pit Bulls and People

Perhaps the most important characteristic of pit bulls is their amazing love of people. Many people are surprised by the loving personality of these dogs the first time they meet one. Pit bulls are remarkably affectionate and truly enjoy human attention. They are wonderful cuddlers and love nothing more than a belly rub. In fact, most pit bulls think they are lap dogs!

As Dunbar (1999) writes, "Today, a properly bred pit bull is so exuberantly happy upon meeting her owner's friends (or even friendly strangers) that new owners sometimes worry that their dog is too sweet and fun-loving to protect their home and family... A multi-talented companion, the well-trained pit bull is suited for a variety of exciting activities. He excels at obedience, agility and weight-pulling competitions, events which showcase intelligence, trainability and strength. In addition, the pit bull's pleasant nature makes him an ideal candidate for therapy work with people."

Traits like human aggression, severe shyness, and instability are not typically found in the APBT breed, nor are they acceptable. Dogs with these traits are not good representatives of the breed and should not be placed into adoptive homes.

Those who wish to label these breeds as ?dangerous? are often quick to insist that the dogfighting aspect of their history somehow means that they are inclined to ?fight? humans. This is simply wrong. A central fact of pit bulls? history is that their lineage actually makes them less inclined to be aggressive toward humans. For over 160 years, they have been systematically


bred away from human aggressiveness. As Malcolm Gladwell (author of The Tipping Point, Blink and Outliers) explains in an article published in The New Yorker in 2006:

Pit bulls were not bred to fight humans. On the contrary: a dog that went after spectators, or its handler, or the trainer, or any of the other people involved in making a dogfighting dog a good dogfighter was usually put down. (The rule in the pit-bull world was "Man-eaters die.")

So while human aggressive pit bulls were actively culled from bloodlines, traits such as gentleness, temperamental stability, and the desire to be handled by humans were emphasized. These qualities are the foundation of the ?pit bull? breeds. It explains why footage of pit bulls being rescued from horrific circumstances usually features skinny, scarred-up dogs with wagging tails and happy tongues joyfully greeting law enforcement officers. ?A pit bull is dangerous to people,? Gladwell concludes, ?not to the extent that it expresses its essential pit bullness but to the extent that it deviates from it.?

Originally Posted by 12clicksMichele

OMG he is adorable! I love pugs.