Lets pretend there really was some illegal shit going on between Trump / Manafort / Gates .. - GoFuckYourself.com

OneHungLo · 02-19-2018, 01:09 PM

Whether it was money laundering, collusion, whatever you crazed Hillbots can conjure up in your deluded brains...why in the world would Manafort or Gates squeal on Trump when you KNOW Trump would just pardon them anyways?

Wouldn't it be better to keep your mouth shut, plead guilty, save yourself potentially a $mill+ on mounting a defense and wait for a pardon to come down before you even walk into a prison?

A pardon would wipe the conviction clean off your record. If they rat Trump out they both still end up convicted felons and could still do time. Keep quiet, get pardoned and it's like they were never convicted at all.

beerptrol · 02-19-2018, 01:12 PM

The state where it happened could then go after them. Trump can't pardon those crimes.

“Dual sovereignty” allows a state (or multiple states) to prosecute people for the same crimes as the federal government.

Bladewire · 02-19-2018, 01:13 PM

^^^ Truth

Sad how Trumplestiltskins keep tryng to find ways for criminals not to pay the price for their illegal actions.

kane · 02-19-2018, 01:48 PM

In addition to what others have said in regards to the state going after him, there is also no guarantee that Trump would pardon them. If Trump thought pardoning them would hurt him, there is a good chance he wouldn't do it.

Would you put your freedom in Trump's hands?

beerptrol · 02-19-2018, 02:19 PM

yep. Chump is only loyal to himself. People are realizing this and won't take a bullet for him.

sarettah · 02-19-2018, 02:28 PM

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A pardon would wipe the conviction clean off your record.

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/frequ...utive-clemency

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Please also be aware that if you were to be granted a presidential pardon, the pardoned offense would not be removed from your criminal record. Instead, both the federal conviction as well as the pardon would both appear on your record.

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sarettah · 02-19-2018, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Wouldn't it be better to keep your mouth shut, plead guilty, save yourself potentially a $mill+ on mounting a defense and wait for a pardon to come down before you even walk into a prison?

https://www.quora.com/Would-a-full-p...-by-the-pardon

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A presidential pardon, particularly a pre-emptive pardon like the one Ford gave to Nixon, which would prevent future prosecution, would have the same effect. So if the president granted someone such a pardon, and then that person was subpoenaed to testify, they would be in no danger of prosecution, and therefore would not be able to assert their 5th amendment right not to answer a question on the witness stand.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.92becffb501d

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if the prospect of criminal liability disappears ? whether because he has been granted adequate immunity by prosecutors, or because he has accepted a presidential pardon ? then the privilege against self-incrimination also disappears. ?[I]f the witness has already received a pardon, he cannot longer set up his privilege, since he stands with respect to such offence as if it had never been committed.? Brown v. Walker (1895); see also, e.g., Nixon v. Sampson (D.D.C. 1975) (yes, that Nixon).

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RedFred · 02-19-2018, 02:40 PM

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slapass · 02-19-2018, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Whether it was money laundering, collusion, whatever you crazed Hillbots can conjure up in your deluded brains...why in the world would Manafort or Gates squeal on Trump when you KNOW Trump would just pardon them anyways?

Wouldn't it be better to keep your mouth shut, plead guilty, save yourself potentially a $mill+ on mounting a defense and wait for a pardon to come down before you even walk into a prison?

A pardon would wipe the conviction clean off your record. If they rat Trump out they both still end up convicted felons and could still do time. Keep quiet, get pardoned and it's like they were never convicted at all.

They assume Trump will be impeached and kicked out. It has to be really bad and I hadn?t thought about this until now. Maybe you aren?t Russian.

bronco67 · 02-19-2018, 10:57 PM

"let's pretend"...that's fucking funny.

At this point if you think Paul Manafort is just your average, run of the mill honest businessman then you really do have your head up your ass.

OneHungLo · 02-20-2018, 01:01 AM

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BaldBastard · 02-20-2018, 01:11 AM

Also consider if all this is true..

Then what? Do you think it would be fair if the FBI investigate all Russians and Eastern Europeans in the USA and say deport them if they have been adding to or distributing the propaganda? Especially racially dividing stuff as well as political.

And what sanctions should go on Russia, would you agree that it has to be worse than is imposed on North Korea currently?, ( if proven true Russia has indeed already invaded. )

And do you think Liberal's are already convinced enough of this political invasion so it's really irrelevant what Trump does, Libs will see to it as soon as they are in next.

Russian people are fucked either way.. Thanks Putty

kane · 02-20-2018, 01:16 AM

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Also consider if all this is true..

Then what? Do you think it would be fair if the FBI investigate all Russians and Eastern Europeans in the USA and say deport them if they have been adding to or distributing the propaganda? Especially racially dividing stuff as well as political.

And what sanctions should go on Russia, would you agree that it has to be worse than is imposed on North Korea currently?, ( if proven true Russia has indeed already invaded. )

And do you think Liberal's are already convinced enough of this political invasion so it's really irrelevant what Trump does, Libs will see to it as soon as they are in next.

Russian people are fucked either way.. Thanks Putty

When it comes to how liberals will see this, it is the same for both parties. Even if Mueller announces that he has nothing concrete on Trump and he is no longer under investigation, most liberals will assume he did it and just got away with it. On the other side of that coin, even if Mueller comes out with solid proof that Trump either colluded with Russia or obstructed justice during the investigation, many conservatives will still believe he is innocent being unfairly attacked by liberals.

crockett · 02-20-2018, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Whether it was money laundering, collusion, whatever you crazed Hillbots can conjure up in your deluded brains...why in the world would Manafort or Gates squeal on Trump when you KNOW Trump would just pardon them anyways?

Wouldn't it be better to keep your mouth shut, plead guilty, save yourself potentially a $mill+ on mounting a defense and wait for a pardon to come down before you even walk into a prison?

A pardon would wipe the conviction clean off your record. If they rat Trump out they both still end up convicted felons and could still do time. Keep quiet, get pardoned and it's like they were never convicted at all.

Ahh.. so now you are starting accept and reason as to why you've been wrong all this time..Isn't anger and lashing out the neat step...

ghjghj · 02-20-2018, 06:02 AM

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wrong all this time..

02-19-2018, 01:09 PM	#1
OneHungLo Colonizer Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Your mom's front hole Posts: 37,849	Lets pretend there really was some illegal shit going on between Trump / Manafort / Gates .. Whether it was money laundering, collusion, whatever you crazed Hillbots can conjure up in your deluded brains...why in the world would Manafort or Gates squeal on Trump when you KNOW Trump would just pardon them anyways? Wouldn't it be better to keep your mouth shut, plead guilty, save yourself potentially a $mill+ on mounting a defense and wait for a pardon to come down before you even walk into a prison? A pardon would wipe the conviction clean off your record. If they rat Trump out they both still end up convicted felons and could still do time. Keep quiet, get pardoned and it's like they were never convicted at all. __________________ “Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. ― Calvin Coolidge

02-19-2018, 01:12 PM	#2
beerptrol Confirmed Asshole Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Half way between sobriety and fubar. Posts: 12,722	The state where it happened could then go after them. Trump can't pardon those crimes. “Dual sovereignty” allows a state (or multiple states) to prosecute people for the same crimes as the federal government. __________________ “If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition and ignorance on the other.” -- Ulysses S. Grant

02-19-2018, 02:19 PM	#5
beerptrol Confirmed Asshole Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Half way between sobriety and fubar. Posts: 12,722	yep. Chump is only loyal to himself. People are realizing this and won't take a bullet for him. __________________ “If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition and ignorance on the other.” -- Ulysses S. Grant

02-19-2018, 10:57 PM	#10
bronco67 Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,035	"let's pretend"...that's fucking funny. At this point if you think Paul Manafort is just your average, run of the mill honest businessman then you really do have your head up your ass. __________________

02-19-2018, 01:13 PM	#3
Bladewire StraightBro Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Monarch Beach, CA USA Posts: 56,232	^^^ Truth Sad how Trumplestiltskins keep tryng to find ways for criminals not to pay the price for their illegal actions.

02-19-2018, 01:48 PM	#4
kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	In addition to what others have said in regards to the state going after him, there is also no guarantee that Trump would pardon them. If Trump thought pardoning them would hurt him, there is a good chance he wouldn't do it. Would you put your freedom in Trump's hands?

02-20-2018, 01:11 AM	#12
BaldBastard Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Sydney Posts: 14,542	Also consider if all this is true.. Then what? Do you think it would be fair if the FBI investigate all Russians and Eastern Europeans in the USA and say deport them if they have been adding to or distributing the propaganda? Especially racially dividing stuff as well as political. And what sanctions should go on Russia, would you agree that it has to be worse than is imposed on North Korea currently?, ( if proven true Russia has indeed already invaded. ) And do you think Liberal's are already convinced enough of this political invasion so it's really irrelevant what Trump does, Libs will see to it as soon as they are in next. Russian people are fucked either way.. Thanks Putty