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NatalieK · 02-05-2018, 03:59 PM

The Brits won´t take it any longer & Trump knows it after not going to open the US embassy...

Now, the sick President remarks on how shit the healthcare is in the UK when there´s 28million people without any healthcare in the US

The guy´s a wanker, yes, we all know this...

but to shame on Britain, when everyone knows, even with the hospitals filled & under staffing, long wait times, the British healthcare is the best in the world & at only $20 a month, the cheapest!!!!!

Most people pay about $20 a month for NI, if that, and if you´re on low income, under about $20 grand a year, families don´t pay NI & nor do unemployed, it´s all paid for on the government!

What a fucking cunt, sorry Dirty Don, you´ve gone too far ass hat!

American citizens, get that wanker out of your White house, he´s making America look like fools!

nico-t · 02-05-2018, 04:03 PM

You're a total moron.

NatalieK · 02-05-2018, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by nico-t

You're a total moron.

says a moron

NatalieK · 02-05-2018, 04:55 PM

seems Theresa May isn´t going to stay quiet on this, as most if not all British appreciate the NHS, as the British healthcare doesn´t matter your money status, it´s the same for all & everyone is covered!

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=spartandhp

Rochard · 02-05-2018, 04:58 PM

Could you imagine paying $20 a month for healthcare?

SuckOnThis · 02-05-2018, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by nico-t

You're a total moron.

The fuck is your problem?

Busty2 · 02-05-2018, 08:43 PM

Heath care in the UK is not free it never was. We all pay National Insurance each and every week/month we draw a paycheck. When i left the UK 20 years ago i was paying around £1800 a month around $2400 and on top of that 40% income tax. So it isn't cheap or free. The problem is like America's Medicare money is running out. This is mostly due to miss management and pharmaceutical companies raping patients. We have great doctors and quite a good medical system but its very slow and sometimes it can take months even years to get a non life threatening operation. America has great doctors and a system that is fucked up with a bureaucratic system that costs a fortune and is mostly unnecessary. Control the bureaucrats control the pharmaceutical companies and America could have an affordable health system

BaldBastard · 02-05-2018, 08:59 PM

Here in Aus medicare is 1.5% of earnings tax, health insurance is fully deductible to that, its the thing the American scaremongers won't tell you about the Australian system.. most working people still have insurance (tax writedown). The two just complement each other ensuring health care for those that can't afford insurance. Same hospitals, same doctors, same meds, same waiting time on life threaten illnesses. Insurance just offers cue jumps on non life threatening stuff and a nicer room.

NatalieK · 02-06-2018, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Busty2

Heath care in the UK is not free it never was. We all pay National Insurance each and every week/month we draw a paycheck. When i left the UK 20 years ago i was paying around £1800 a month around $2400 and on top of that 40% income tax. So it isn't cheap or free. The problem is like America's Medicare money is running out. This is mostly due to miss management and pharmaceutical companies raping patients. We have great doctors and quite a good medical system but its very slow and sometimes it can take months even years to get a non life threatening operation. America has great doctors and a system that is fucked up with a bureaucratic system that costs a fortune and is mostly unnecessary. Control the bureaucrats control the pharmaceutical companies and America could have an affordable health system

I call BS!

If you were paying over a grand a month, you´d have been earning 100 grand a month, as the usual is 10% now it´s 12%.

Average person in the UK pays maybe 50 or 100 tops, but it´s nothing like the US rates.

Also, if you earn under 6 grand, or there abouts. This is the personal allowance for no tax etc, you would have free NI as you do if you´re unemployed or with family and low income

British medical care is the best in the world, Trump´s an idiot

k0nr4d · 02-06-2018, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions

it´s all paid for on the government!

There is no such thing as free healthcare. It's paid for by your taxes.

NewNick · 02-06-2018, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Busty2

Heath care in the UK is not free it never was. We all pay National Insurance each and every week/month we draw a paycheck. When i left the UK 20 years ago i was paying around £1800 a month around $2400 and on top of that 40% income tax. So it isn't cheap or free. The problem is like America's Medicare money is running out. This is mostly due to miss management and pharmaceutical companies raping patients. We have great doctors and quite a good medical system but its very slow and sometimes it can take months even years to get a non life threatening operation. America has great doctors and a system that is fucked up with a bureaucratic system that costs a fortune and is mostly unnecessary. Control the bureaucrats control the pharmaceutical companies and America could have an affordable health system

The problem for the UK (and the rest of the West) is an ageing population, massive increases in medical capability, and a slowing birthrate.

We now have to cope with the care needs of an enormous elderly population that is growing exponentially, many new and expensive treatments that simply were not available until recently, and zero growth in the working population that will fund a healthcare system.

So what did we do ?

We voted to stop migrants coming to the UK.........

Manfap · 02-06-2018, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Busty2

Heath care in the UK is not free it never was. We all pay National Insurance each and every week/month we draw a paycheck. When i left the UK 20 years ago i was paying around £1800 a month around $2400 and on top of that 40% income tax. So it isn't cheap or free. The problem is like America's Medicare money is running out. This is mostly due to miss management and pharmaceutical companies raping patients. We have great doctors and quite a good medical system but its very slow and sometimes it can take months even years to get a non life threatening operation. America has great doctors and a system that is fucked up with a bureaucratic system that costs a fortune and is mostly unnecessary. Control the bureaucrats control the pharmaceutical companies and America could have an affordable health system

I though NI was capped? Or at least it was 20 years ago. And that isn't just healthcare it's pension and statutory sick pay as well.

Manfap · 02-06-2018, 04:03 AM

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The problem for the UK (and the rest of the West) is an ageing population, massive increases in medical capability, and a slowing birthrate.

We now have to cope with the care needs of an enormous elderly population that is growing exponentially, many new and expensive treatments that simply were not available until recently, and zero growth in the working population that will fund a healthcare system.

So what did we do ?

We voted to stop migrants coming to the UK.........

You need to look at Spain... we're fucked hehe.

Damn oldies just wont die, wife's uncle was 90+ with numerous cancers, they kept operating on him, he's 90+ for fucks sake. He said himself.. why do they keep spending money on me.

Some communities have a worker to pensioner ratio of less than 1.5. If not sustainable.

NewNick · 02-06-2018, 04:19 AM

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You need to look at Spain... we're fucked hehe.

Damn oldies just wont die, wife's uncle was 90+ with numerous cancers, they kept operating on him, he's 90+ for fucks sake. He said himself.. why do they keep spending money on me.

Some communities has a worker to pensioner ratio of less than 1.5. If not sustainable.

Dont worry we can always get our own version of Trump to fix everything.

I think Jeremy Clarkson has the correct blend of idiocy and bar room policy making to MTUKGA.

CurrentlySober · 02-06-2018, 05:12 AM

This is why I love the NHS. I can eat as much utter shit as as I want, leading to Diabetes, & drink so much alcohol that I get liver cirrhosis, and I'm golden. Not only will the NHS fix me up for free, but also give me all my drugs and medications I need for free too !

They even send two hot nurses round morning and evening to see and check on me. They do my shopping and clean my house cause I'm too fat and lazy to get out of bed - Like a couple of personal slaves... Nice !

I'm looked after and loved by the unjudging NHS from Cradle To The Grave, with no need to take any personal responsibility for my health whatsoever - I LOVE the NHS

NatalieK · 02-06-2018, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d

There is no such thing as free healthcare. It's paid for by your taxes.

obviously taxes pay towards all outlets of the government, so the NHS would receive the money and yes, some of the taxes money would go towards the NHS, as with the EU, this was a set amount as the EU also sends money back to the other EU countries for medical care.

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I though NI was capped? Or at least it was 20 years ago. And that isn't just healthcare it's pension and statutory sick pay as well.

it´s a percentage, however, the point is, the NHS is the best medical care in the world, Trump´s an idiot

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Originally Posted by Manfap

You need to look at Spain... we're fucked hehe.

Damn oldies just wont die, wife's uncle was 90+ with numerous cancers, they kept operating on him, he's 90+ for fucks sake. He said himself.. why do they keep spending money on me.

Some communities have a worker to pensioner ratio of less than 1.5. If not sustainable.

Here in Spain, when you run a business, our business taxes pay towards the health cover, so running a business is worth while here in Spain

Smack dat · 02-06-2018, 06:45 AM

The NHS is shit and don't let anyone tell you it's not.
It's also expensive. It currently costs over £320 for every single taxpayer in the UK or about £4000 a year.

Jel · 02-06-2018, 07:06 AM

NHS is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than £20 a month lol - 9% I believe I pay at the top end, 4 or 5% at the bottom (it's tiered like income tax), and yes, it is complete shit in a lot of areas (and I don't mean geographically).

The docs/nurses are (mostly) great, though the fucking prick 'specialist' I had deal with my cholesteatoma was directly at fault for me having to have a hearing bone removed from each ear as he failed to understand, or correctly diagnose that I had an extremely severe case. <--- anecdotes mean fuck all I know, but just a real world example - ask 10 people in the UK who had higher level medical needs, and at least 5 will tell you their treatment/progression through the system was abysmal.

I saw probably 9 different specialists over the course of 18 months, once they finally diagnosed the cholesteatoma in the first place (this took a mere 5 years, which went from local GP to 4 'specialists', and no I'm not kidding), because the NHS as a working entity is a huge pile of stinking dog shit that wastes billions on red tape, admin, and the left hand of it trying to work out what the fuck the right hand side of it is doing. 1.2 million employees just in England = ofc there are going to be MAJOR headaches trying to run such an organisation... that doesn't mean all that should be overlooked because nurses = emotions = they do the best job in the world! And that's not a dig at nurses (who the fuck doesn't respect nurses/doctors, really? Oldest trick in the book to misdirect criticism by insinuating you don't appreciate nurses/docs if you don't want to pour another 30 billion in), that's a dig at people who can't understand that digging out the NHS is a world apart from digging out a shitty, bloated, mismanaged fuck up.

12 - 18 months for a hip/knee replacement is par for the course, and that's after the initial GP treatment, referral to hospital, diagnosis, further treatment, and so on. It cannot handle the amount of people it caters to (everyone), while red tape and mismanagement continue to run so rife through it.

The NHS simply cannot cope, and is one of those emotional things where people just shout 'give it more money!', completely failing to realise that most of that just gets swallowed up as well. To make it a for profit service would be wrong, as it's there to cater to literally all, but holy fucking shit, at least run it with some sense of 'lets try and look like we actually know what the fuck we are doing'.

I don't have the answer, but the NHS is definitely 'doctors and nurses do the best they can under the circumstances' (and they really do for the most part) than any 'nhs is the best in the world' nonsense. See germany for how it's supposed to be done - we look like a bunch of 5 year olds trying to run amazon in comparison.

NewNick · 02-06-2018, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Smack dat

The NHS is shit and don't let anyone tell you it's not.
It's also expensive. It currently costs over £320 for every single taxpayer in the UK or about £4000 a year.

The NHS has looked after all of my children from birth, and saved my life twice.

Its a bit like the BBC, when you go to another country and switch on the TV, then you realise that UK TV is fabulous.

You are a weapon who needs to leave the Shire every now and then.

Jel · 02-06-2018, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Smack dat

The NHS is shit and don't let anyone tell you it's not.
It's also expensive. It currently costs over £320 for every single taxpayer in the UK or about £4000 a year.

This. And that's an average - anyone on this board who is not a part-time hobbyist would be paying a lot more... Anyone on this board earning more than $68k will be paying a minimum of $6226 for the 'free' NHS and it's awful service. Our prescription fees are insanely lower though, about $12 a pop I believe, regardless of what for (I may be wrong on that).

Jel · 02-06-2018, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick

The NHS has looked after all of my children from birth, and saved my life twice.

That's great, and I really do mean that, but... emotions of gratefulness do not mean there are not fucking huge problems with the NHS, insane monetary waste, and ridiculous bureaucracy. Just because it may be better than serbia, does not mean people in Germany, where it's done right, do not look at us and laugh their bollocks off. The NHS is a shitshow that muddles through and helps a lot of people, of course it does, it also shortchanges a very large number of people as well, and to pretend the garden is all rosy is partly why it's in the state it's in now.

Busty2 · 02-06-2018, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick

The problem for the UK (and the rest of the West) is an ageing population, massive increases in medical capability, and a slowing birthrate.

We now have to cope with the care needs of an enormous elderly population that is growing exponentially, many new and expensive treatments that simply were not available until recently, and zero growth in the working population that will fund a healthcare system.

So what did we do ?

We voted to stop migrants coming to the UK.........

Good point, here in Maine we have a very old population, young people quite rightly fuck off out of this state as soon as they can

NewNick · 02-06-2018, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel

That's great, and I really do mean that, but... emotions of gratefulness do not mean there are not fucking huge problems with the NHS, insane monetary waste, and ridiculous bureaucracy. Just because it may be better than serbia, does not mean people in Germany, where it's done right, do not look at us and laugh their bollocks off. The NHS is a shitshow that muddles through and helps a lot of people, of course it does, it also shortchanges a very large number of people as well, and to pretend the garden is all rosy is partly why it's in the state it's in now.

And the Germans are happy to fund their health service better ?

This does not prove anything.

The US spends twice as much on healthcare as the NHS yet 28m people have absolutely nothing, and reading this board absolutely no one seems to be happy with their system either.

The NHS is a remarkable organisation - far from perfect - but to call it "shit" is rather juvenile.

MaDalton · 02-06-2018, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick

And the Germans are happy to fund their health service better ?

This does not prove anything.

The US spends twice as much on healthcare as the NHS yet 28m people have absolutely nothing, and reading this board absolutely no one seems to be happy with their system either.

The NHS is a remarkable organisation - far from perfect - but to call it "shit" is rather juvenile.

In Germany they are right now arguing in their coalition talks about the healthcare system - one party also wants to switch everything to a single payer system.

The thing is: the german system is not bad per se - but it rewards people with higher income by making it possible for them to switch to private insurances and pay less than "normal" people.

These private insurance companies have higher payouts for the same procedures as the state insurances and so doctors prefer privately insured patients.

which leads to people with private insurance getting an appointment whenever they want and the rest has to wait.

what is now in the talks is that payouts should be identical no matter how the patient is insured

but that means for example that for a flu diagnose with a pack of aspirin the doctor always receives a max payout of let's say 50 Euro from the insurance companies and he cannot ask the patient for additional money.

Now this way you keep the healthcare costs in check and avoid the american situation of getting billed $500 or $1000 for the same thing.

but even if it would benefit every American, they still oppose it mostly cause it's not "capitalism"

NatalieK · 02-06-2018, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Smack dat

The NHS is shit and don't let anyone tell you it's not.
It's also expensive. It currently costs over £320 for every single taxpayer in the UK or about £4000 a year.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-contributions

You´re full of BS! NHS is the best in the world and the cheapest medical cover...

yes, the average NI is about 320 a month, considering it´s 12% up to 800 a week, so therefore, yes an average pay in the UK is 28k a month & therefore said person would pay about 320 a month. But 12% is nothing compared to the US and other countries.

A person earning less, which many are, find themselves paying like 150 or 200 a month.

Jel · 02-06-2018, 08:00 AM

I'll call it awful then, just so as not to appear 'juvenile'. There, a fancy word for shit. And the idea of the NHS is indeed remarkable, as was it's execution until recent times. Clinging on to what it used to be, and what it *tries* to accomplish (very admirable, no argument from me there, and I couldn't imagine a system where some get no healthcare at all), doesn't make it any less shit - sorry, I mean awful - here and now.

As for the germans - you'll have to ask all of them. I know I'd be fine paying more if we got the same quality of administration & care that they do, certainly much more happy than I am paying 8 grand a year and can't get a doctor's appointment with anything less than a 2 week wait, and a so far 14 month wait to even get an appointment at the hearing clinic.

pimpmaster9000 · 02-06-2018, 08:09 AM

westerners will never understand how fucked they get with healthcare...

Busty2 · 02-06-2018, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by StefanG

In Germany they are right now arguing in their coalition talks about the healthcare system - one party also wants to switch everything to a single payer system.

The thing is: the german system is not bad per se - but it rewards people with higher income by making it possible for them to switch to private insurances and pay less than "normal" people.

These private insurance companies have higher payouts for the same procedures as the state insurances and so doctors prefer privately insured patients.

which leads to people with private insurance getting an appointment whenever they want and the rest has to wait.

what is now in the talks is that payouts should be identical no matter how the patient is insured

but that means for example that for a flu diagnose with a pack of aspirin the doctor always receives a max payout of let's say 50 Euro from the insurance companies and he cannot ask the patient for additional money.

Now this way you keep the healthcare costs in check and avoid the american situation of getting billed $500 or $1000 for the same thing.

but even if it would benefit every American, they still oppose it mostly cause it's not "capitalism"

The biggest problem with the American system is that pharmaceutical companies and hospitals are allowed to charge whatever they like. But unlike other businesses its almost impossible to find out those costs in advance.

Smack dat · 02-06-2018, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-contributions

You´re full of BS! NHS is the best in the world and the cheapest medical cover...

yes, the average NI is about 320 a month, considering it´s 12% up to 800 a week, so therefore, yes an average pay in the UK is 28k a month & therefore said person would pay about 320 a month. But 12% is nothing compared to the US and other countries.

A person earning less, which many are, find themselves paying like 150 or 200 a month.

Where I live it's easier to live with all your illnesses and ailments and those of your children because it's a fucking joke just trying to get an appointment.
Say I want to see a doc about a non emergency I can't just phone up and make an appointment throughout the day for some point in the future... like for any other business in the world..

Oh no.. I need to fucking phone up between 8.30 and 9am (in the middle of the school run) and compete with a few hundred other people trying to get through during this stupid 30 minute window.
If I do manage to get through I need to come today. Not tomorrow or next week or next month.. Today.
Usually though you can't get through or you get through after 9am and are told there are no appointments left.

Like I said, the NHS is shit. Yeah the doctors and nurses are generally great and they do a good job but the whole system is fucked up. 116 billion pounds for that. Fuck me.

HelmutKohl · 02-06-2018, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d

There is no such thing as free healthcare. It's paid for by your taxes.

How much are you paying for healthcare in your country? Anybody excluded from it ?

directfiesta · 02-06-2018, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d

There is no such thing as free healthcare. It's paid for by your taxes.

It is called '' Universal Healthcare '' ...

I have it in Canada and pay taxes for it ... as I earn a decent amount of $$$ .
Those who don't earn $$$ still have it , and I am fine with that .

MaDalton · 02-06-2018, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Busty2

The biggest problem with the American system is that pharmaceutical companies and hospitals are allowed to charge whatever they like. But unlike other businesses its almost impossible to find out those costs in advance.

in Germany the costs are capped, there's a catalogue that gets updated regularly

and: the public health insurance companies and state run hospitals are non-profit.

NatalieK · 02-07-2018, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Smack dat

Like I said, the NHS is shit.

yes while understanding you have a long wait, those needing hip ops & day appointments find a waiting period longer than what it was, however, to say it´s shit, go to the US & see what happens when you´re waiting and waiting and paying much more...

as said, the NHS is the best health system in the world.

If you have illnesses, cancer & life threatening problems, you´re seen straight away! We´ve never had a problem seeing a doctor that day & home calls are not a problem for those with children or bed laiden!

People always moan about things instead of realising what they have, it´s obama or the EU again

starling · 02-07-2018, 08:15 AM

It's funny how the ones that argue how amazing Britain and it's shitey healthcare is are the ones that move away never to return.

NewNick · 02-07-2018, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by starling

It's funny how the ones that argue how amazing Britain and it's shitey healthcare is are the ones that move away never to return.

Nope.

Paul Markham · 02-07-2018, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Could you imagine paying $20 a month for healthcare?

Some people pay nothing at all. The young, retired, unemployed, etc. Yet all are covered. If we were paying what Americans pay we would have a better healthcare system comparable to the best in the US for everyone.

I've had all my healthcare for free at the point of service. Went today and had a free check-up. Going back Friday and Tuesday for my free dialysis, then going back in two weeks for another free checkup.

Trump made a huge blunder comparing a national health system with a private rip-off system. Which the US Pharm industry bribes politicians to keep.

nico-t · 02-07-2018, 12:16 PM

btw, just look at that cover in the OP... it's like a dumbed down propaganda rag straight out of Idiocracy, designed and set up to trigger outrage and primal emtional reactions from the sheep who do not think for themselves -

Photo of Trump with nasty expression: Check.
Red and black colors: Check.
Huge screaming 'headline': Check.
Totally subjective text exempt from any form of real journalism: Check.

The OP is their target audience, so mission accomplished: They steered him & her right into their desired direction of creating primal emotional outrage and they fell right into this simplistic trap, and are even pushed into creating yet another Trump thread about it.

Propaganda and brainwashing 101 in action

redwhiteandblue · 02-07-2018, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by nico-t

btw, just look at that cover in the OP... it's like a dumbed down propaganda rag straight out of Idiocracy, designed and set up to trigger outrage and primal emtional reactions from the sheep who do not think for themselves -

Photo of Trump with nasty expression: Check.
Red and black colors: Check.
Huge screaming 'headline': Check.
Totally subjective text exempt from any form of real journalism: Check.

The OP is their target audience, so mission accomplished: They steered him & her right into their desired direction of creating primal emotional outrage and they fell right into this simplistic trap, and are even pushed into creating yet another Trump thread about it.

Propaganda and brainwashing 101 in action

This x 47.

redwhiteandblue · 02-07-2018, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NewNick

The problem for the UK (and the rest of the West) is an ageing population, massive increases in medical capability, and a slowing birthrate.

We now have to cope with the care needs of an enormous elderly population that is growing exponentially, many new and expensive treatments that simply were not available until recently, and zero growth in the working population that will fund a healthcare system.

So what did we do ?

We voted to stop migrants coming to the UK.........

We did nothing of the sort and if you think we did you're as much of a moron as Gary.

DraX · 02-07-2018, 06:51 PM

Healthcare in western Europe is a huge scam. People are overtaxed as it is and they get what? Mediocre healthcare. There's a few countries left with "acceptable" service, Germany is one and Finland another. The day Germans start experiencing low quality healthcare, you know things going to blow up. If you care about your healthcare you better pay for private insurance, there's no other substitute today.

Gspot, you got fooled yet again...

NHS is doing better since 2015 ?

NHS: UK now has one of the worst healthcare systems in the developed world, according to OECD report | The Independent

If not, stop reading bullshit made up by news outlets like dailymirror.

From above link:

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While access to care is “generally good” the quality of care in the UK is “poor to mediocre” across several key health areas, obesity levels are “dire” and the NHS struggles to get even the “basics” right, the report said citing a lack of investment over the last six years.

Just like dailymirror shouts on the cover:

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Yet clueless Donald Trump attacks our wonderful NHS which takes care of everyone

That's right, they take care of everyone in terms of everyone get time to see a doctor. What happens next? Here's where the mediocracy slaps you in the face most of the time.

How can you know you get slapped in the face? Educate yourself, get in par with the dr, if he starts to look uncomfortable in his chair, you know he is not there to really help you.

Guess what, U.K. aren't the only country with this problem.

Brits pay high taxes, how come state isn't updating and developing the healthcare sector, where does the money really go? Ask yourself where does it go?

Remove the corrupt traitorous leaders at the top of the government who shouldn't be running the country at all. They sold it out and no longer represents the brits in FULL as they should.

directfiesta · 02-07-2018, 07:52 PM

Easy, those with ' universal coverage ' , ask your self this question :

- Would I prefer to have a private system as in the USA or do I prefer to keep my state managed health care system ?

My answer : I keep my actual healthcare system, a public universal system , with its qualities and flaws .

BaldBastard · 02-07-2018, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

Easy, those with ' universal coverage ' , ask your self this question :

- Would I prefer to have a private system as in the USA or do I prefer to keep my state managed health care system ?

My answer : I keep my actual healthcare system, a public universal system , with its qualities and flaws .

I don't think the choices are so black and white, I know in Australia and New Zealand we have a public universal system but many people have insurance coverage as well, I certainly do. And it still works out cheaper than the USA.

Paul Markham · 02-08-2018, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DraX

Healthcare in western Europe is a huge scam. People are overtaxed as it is and they get what? Mediocre healthcare. There's a few countries left with "acceptable" service, Germany is one and Finland another. The day Germans start experiencing low quality healthcare, you know things going to blow up. If you care about your healthcare you better pay for private insurance, there's no other substitute today.

Gspot, you got fooled yet again...

NHS is doing better since 2015 ?

NHS: UK now has one of the worst healthcare systems in the developed world, according to OECD report | The Independent

If not, stop reading bullshit made up by news outlets like dailymirror.

But it's still a better deal than the US.

Britain should raise Healthcare taxes.

MrBottomTooth · 02-08-2018, 04:52 AM

I can't imagine living somewhere that I had to worry about if an insurance company was going to agree to pay for life-saving treatment. Or that I could have to mortgage my house if I had a heart attack.

King Mark · 02-08-2018, 04:59 AM

lol @ these little rinky dink nation states trying to compare themselves to america.

NewNick · 02-08-2018, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue

We did nothing of the sort and if you think we did you're as much of a moron as Gary.

Ok so you think the great unwashed voted for Brexit because of the sophisticated geo-political arguments regarding global trade and sovereignty ???

Or do you think that the shrill right wing voices screaming that 30m Turks are about to rock up swayed their decision ?

The fact is that the Brexit argument centred on immigration. The Express, Telegraph, Mail etc have spent the last 10 years telling white van man that the Poles have taken his job, and that the Romanians are going to rape his daughter. You cannot get a doctors appointment because of the muslims, and you failed at life because you are white and working class.

Brexit was really about power and who wields it. They dont give a fuck about white van man. They dont give a fuck about how the economy will tank. They dont give a fuck about doing trade deal with the rest of the world.

The forces that funded and schemed the Brexit support dont buy their own furniture. They live on their hereditary estates and private islands. Its a bit like the poor white working class that voted for Trump. The poor suckers bought his shite about how the billionaire New York real estate barron was going to help them and MAGA. Silly twats.

pimpmaster9000 · 02-08-2018, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Dead Eye

lol @ these little rinky dink nation states trying to compare themselves to america.

yup...nobody gets fucked like you guys

NatalieK · 02-08-2018, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by starling

It's funny how the ones that argue how amazing Britain and it's shitey healthcare is are the ones that move away never to return.

I´ve moved to Spain, still in the EU &, thanks to the UK, has a similar health care system NOW...

The NHS was one reason to stay in the UK, the benefits of getting old & the fast response of the medical teams.

Isn´t it great that I may have moved, however, I´m still for Britain in many ways

NatalieK · 02-08-2018, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue

We did nothing of the sort and if you think we did you're as much of a moron

yes Britain did, that´s why most chose to exit the EU, momentary of stupid thinking migrants wouldn´t enter if Britain wasn´t part of the EU. This was the main reason & the BS from Farage saying figures regarding the NHS that were simply not true.

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Originally Posted by DraX

Healthcare in western Europe is a huge scam. People are overtaxed as it is and they get what? Mediocre healthcare.

Gspot, you got fooled yet again...

Guess what, U.K. aren't the only country with this problem.

Brits pay high taxes.

All the above is BS apart from the UK isn´t the only country with medical care problems...

however, again, I´ll say, the NHS is one of the best medical cares.

The only problems atm with the NHS is there´s too many people going into hospitals and doctors with problems they do not need to go in for...

So many doctors are full of migrants and other nationalities with children, for coughs and colds...

you go to the chemist & buy a pot of vicks, not swamp the A&E with a cut on your knee & a child who has a slight cough

People are taking figures to literal in this thread, the whole point of the comment from the papers, Trump´s a BS & should be taken out of the WH

NatalieK · 02-08-2018, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

But it's still a better deal than the US.

Britain should raise Healthcare taxes.

this

02-05-2018, 03:59 PM	#1
NatalieK Natalie K Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Spain Posts: 18,537	Donald Trump is named & shamed by British news The Brits won´t take it any longer & Trump knows it after not going to open the US embassy... Now, the sick President remarks on how shit the healthcare is in the UK when there´s 28million people without any healthcare in the US The guy´s a wanker, yes, we all know this... but to shame on Britain, when everyone knows, even with the hospitals filled & under staffing, long wait times, the British healthcare is the best in the world & at only $20 a month, the cheapest!!!!! Most people pay about $20 a month for NI, if that, and if you´re on low income, under about $20 grand a year, families don´t pay NI & nor do unemployed, it´s all paid for on the government! What a fucking cunt, sorry Dirty Don, you´ve gone too far ass hat! American citizens, get that wanker out of your White house, he´s making America look like fools! __________________ My official site NatalieK.xxx My free porn & affiliate blog Natalie K affiliate program First time girls Skype: gspotproductions - "Converting your traffic into income since 2005"

02-05-2018, 04:55 PM	#4
NatalieK Natalie K Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Spain Posts: 18,537	seems Theresa May isn´t going to stay quiet on this, as most if not all British appreciate the NHS, as the British healthcare doesn´t matter your money status, it´s the same for all & everyone is covered! https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=spartandhp __________________ My official site NatalieK.xxx My free porn & affiliate blog Natalie K affiliate program First time girls Skype: gspotproductions - "Converting your traffic into income since 2005"

02-05-2018, 04:58 PM	#5
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 70,210	Could you imagine paying $20 a month for healthcare? __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

02-06-2018, 05:12 AM	#15
CurrentlySober Too lazy to wipe my ass Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: A Public Bathroom Posts: 37,866	This is why I love the NHS. I can eat as much utter shit as as I want, leading to Diabetes, & drink so much alcohol that I get liver cirrhosis, and I'm golden. Not only will the NHS fix me up for free, but also give me all my drugs and medications I need for free too ! They even send two hot nurses round morning and evening to see and check on me. They do my shopping and clean my house cause I'm too fat and lazy to get out of bed - Like a couple of personal slaves... Nice ! I'm looked after and loved by the unjudging NHS from Cradle To The Grave, with no need to take any personal responsibility for my health whatsoever - I LOVE the NHS __________________ My AI Handywork... 2 Kings 18:27 👁️ 👍️ 💩

02-06-2018, 08:09 AM	#27
pimpmaster9000 Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 26,732	westerners will never understand how fucked they get with healthcare... __________________ Report a suspicious cracker: Click Here

02-05-2018, 04:03 PM	#2
nico-t emperor of my world Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: nethalands Posts: 29,904	You're a total moron.

02-05-2018, 08:43 PM	#7
Busty2 Member since 1999 Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Off the Amalfi coast Posts: 7,202	Heath care in the UK is not free it never was. We all pay National Insurance each and every week/month we draw a paycheck. When i left the UK 20 years ago i was paying around £1800 a month around $2400 and on top of that 40% income tax. So it isn't cheap or free. The problem is like America's Medicare money is running out. This is mostly due to miss management and pharmaceutical companies raping patients. We have great doctors and quite a good medical system but its very slow and sometimes it can take months even years to get a non life threatening operation. America has great doctors and a system that is fucked up with a bureaucratic system that costs a fortune and is mostly unnecessary. Control the bureaucrats control the pharmaceutical companies and America could have an affordable health system

02-05-2018, 08:59 PM	#8
BaldBastard Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Sydney Posts: 14,498	Here in Aus medicare is 1.5% of earnings tax, health insurance is fully deductible to that, its the thing the American scaremongers won't tell you about the Australian system.. most working people still have insurance (tax writedown). The two just complement each other ensuring health care for those that can't afford insurance. Same hospitals, same doctors, same meds, same waiting time on life threaten illnesses. Insurance just offers cue jumps on non life threatening stuff and a nicer room.

02-06-2018, 06:45 AM	#17
Smack dat So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 4,613	The NHS is shit and don't let anyone tell you it's not. It's also expensive. It currently costs over £320 for every single taxpayer in the UK or about £4000 a year.

02-06-2018, 07:06 AM	#18
Jel Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,903	NHS is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than £20 a month lol - 9% I believe I pay at the top end, 4 or 5% at the bottom (it's tiered like income tax), and yes, it is complete shit in a lot of areas (and I don't mean geographically). The docs/nurses are (mostly) great, though the fucking prick 'specialist' I had deal with my cholesteatoma was directly at fault for me having to have a hearing bone removed from each ear as he failed to understand, or correctly diagnose that I had an extremely severe case. <--- anecdotes mean fuck all I know, but just a real world example - ask 10 people in the UK who had higher level medical needs, and at least 5 will tell you their treatment/progression through the system was abysmal. I saw probably 9 different specialists over the course of 18 months, once they finally diagnosed the cholesteatoma in the first place (this took a mere 5 years, which went from local GP to 4 'specialists', and no I'm not kidding), because the NHS as a working entity is a huge pile of stinking dog shit that wastes billions on red tape, admin, and the left hand of it trying to work out what the fuck the right hand side of it is doing. 1.2 million employees just in England = ofc there are going to be MAJOR headaches trying to run such an organisation... that doesn't mean all that should be overlooked because nurses = emotions = they do the best job in the world! And that's not a dig at nurses (who the fuck doesn't respect nurses/doctors, really? Oldest trick in the book to misdirect criticism by insinuating you don't appreciate nurses/docs if you don't want to pour another 30 billion in), that's a dig at people who can't understand that digging out the NHS is a world apart from digging out a shitty, bloated, mismanaged fuck up. 12 - 18 months for a hip/knee replacement is par for the course, and that's after the initial GP treatment, referral to hospital, diagnosis, further treatment, and so on. It cannot handle the amount of people it caters to (everyone), while red tape and mismanagement continue to run so rife through it. The NHS simply cannot cope, and is one of those emotional things where people just shout 'give it more money!', completely failing to realise that most of that just gets swallowed up as well. To make it a for profit service would be wrong, as it's there to cater to literally all, but holy fucking shit, at least run it with some sense of 'lets try and look like we actually know what the fuck we are doing'. I don't have the answer, but the NHS is definitely 'doctors and nurses do the best they can under the circumstances' (and they really do for the most part) than any 'nhs is the best in the world' nonsense. See germany for how it's supposed to be done - we look like a bunch of 5 year olds trying to run amazon in comparison.

02-06-2018, 08:00 AM	#26
Jel Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,903	I'll call it awful then, just so as not to appear 'juvenile'. There, a fancy word for shit. And the idea of the NHS is indeed remarkable, as was it's execution until recent times. Clinging on to what it used to be, and what it tries to accomplish (very admirable, no argument from me there, and I couldn't imagine a system where some get no healthcare at all), doesn't make it any less shit - sorry, I mean awful - here and now. As for the germans - you'll have to ask all of them. I know I'd be fine paying more if we got the same quality of administration & care that they do, certainly much more happy than I am paying 8 grand a year and can't get a doctor's appointment with anything less than a 2 week wait, and a so far 14 month wait to even get an appointment at the hearing clinic.

02-07-2018, 08:15 AM	#34
starling Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 312	It's funny how the ones that argue how amazing Britain and it's shitey healthcare is are the ones that move away never to return.

02-07-2018, 12:16 PM	#37
nico-t emperor of my world Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: nethalands Posts: 29,904	btw, just look at that cover in the OP... it's like a dumbed down propaganda rag straight out of Idiocracy, designed and set up to trigger outrage and primal emtional reactions from the sheep who do not think for themselves - Photo of Trump with nasty expression: Check. Red and black colors: Check. Huge screaming 'headline': Check. Totally subjective text exempt from any form of real journalism: Check. The OP is their target audience, so mission accomplished: They steered him & her right into their desired direction of creating primal emotional outrage and they fell right into this simplistic trap, and are even pushed into creating yet another Trump thread about it. Propaganda and brainwashing 101 in action

02-07-2018, 07:52 PM	#41
directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Back to Montréal, ALIVE ! Posts: 29,012	Easy, those with ' universal coverage ' , ask your self this question : - Would I prefer to have a private system as in the USA or do I prefer to keep my state managed health care system ? My answer : I keep my actual healthcare system, a public universal system , with its qualities and flaws .

02-08-2018, 04:52 AM	#44
MrBottomTooth Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5,795	I can't imagine living somewhere that I had to worry about if an insurance company was going to agree to pay for life-saving treatment. Or that I could have to mortgage my house if I had a heart attack. __________________ Get Paid Per Email Like The WEGCASH Days!!!!

02-08-2018, 04:59 AM	#45
King Mark Masterbaiter Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 24,312	lol @ these little rinky dink nation states trying to compare themselves to america. __________________