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Mainstream media reeling: Poll shows most Americans believe Obama administration spied on Trump campaign

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Justice Dept. official who helped oversee Clinton, Russia probes steps down
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.e940d6afe684

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New Strzok/Page Texts Suggest Lynch Knew About Clinton Exoneration Well Before Comey Announcement
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1. If Carter Page cooperated in 2013-14 in the investigation when Russian intelligence tried to recruit him, that means he had a “handler” in Counter-Intelligence — an agent who worked with him in 2013-14 because he cooperated and the Russians were prosecuted. The first thing that would have normally happen when Page turned up in the Trump dossier — when known to have previously been a cooperator– would have been to have his handler arrange to meet with him to talk. He’d cooperated before, and the first reaction to the new information would be that he would cooperate again. It would NOT have been to begin working up a FISA application on him. Page has denied that the FBI ever approached him in the summer of 2016.

2. In a FISA warrant on a US citizen, you NEVER rely on information that can’t be verified. If it can’t be verified, its taken out of the application. Agents fight to keep stuff in, even when thinly sourced, but the lawyers at FBI and DOJ are constantly removing stuff that they think isn’t adequately sourced. The fact that Steele was a former MI6 agent is nice, but its not a substitute for being able to verify the sources that gave Steele the information. Doing a FISA on a US Citizen, based on the premise that he’s engaged in espionage, is a HUGE step, and its not done on thin sourcing. The fact that Steele was retired, and working for pay — as opposed to being active and working only on behalf of his government — works against Steele’s credibility. He’s being paid to produce shaded information, not necessarily “truthful” information — which would be the presumption if he was still an active MI6 agent. So it normally would have been required for him to identify his sources — not keep them confidential. If he was an active MI6 agent, then you would respect his need to keep his sources confidential for future work. But he’s not acting on behalf of the British government, so that deference no longer applies. His information would not be accepted simply on his say-so. He’s selling his services, and wants to get paid, so he has a motivation to provide what his patron is looking for.

3. The Grassley memo says that the FISA renewal in January 2017 states the FBI disclosed that Steele was terminated as a Source in “October, 2016”, without specifying the date. The date exists — there is a “Source Termination” document in his file, and it has a date on it. If he was terminated BEFORE the FISA application was submitted on October 21, 2016, that is a massive red flag problem — the kind that gets people fired, and maybe prosecuted. If the FISA application went forward with information from Steele AFTER the date Steele was terminated as a source, that’s a violation of Bureau policy that would result in termination. The fact that the date is omitted in Grassley’s memo — as if it wasn’t in the underlying document Grassley or his staff read — is a noteworthy omission because that date was known when the January 2017 renewal disclosed the termination to the FISC, and its omission is almost certainly not accidental. This is the same kind of purposeful omission as the failure to specify that the Clinton campaign and the DNC paid for Steele’s work.

4. Whenever a key source in a FISA Application is terminated for misconduct, you do NOT wait for the next renewal to inform the FISC of the development. Policy is to file a disclosure of the change in circumstances with the Judge who issued the warrant, and leave it to the Judge to determine whether the new information requires rescinding the warrant. Only the Judge knows whether the information from that particular Source was crucial in the Judge’s determination that the application made a sufficient showing to justify issuance of the warrant. It was shocking to see that the termination of Steele was only disclosed to the FISC at the time of the first renewal approximately 3 months after Steele was terminated.

5. Whenever a FISA source is terminated for misconduct, that source’s information cannot be relied upon in the renewals. Normally the renewal is justified based on intelligence that is gathered during the first 90 days. Its normally not necessary to rely on the original source as justification to renew the FISA warrant UNLESS your surveillance is NOT turning up information about the target’s foreign entanglements. You only rely on the original PC if your surveillance is not providing you new PC information. But you would NEVER be allowed to rely on a terminated source’s information to continue PC when the surveillance is not providing sufficient new PC. So it makes no sense — as stated in Grassley’s memo — for the Bureau to continue to rely on Steele’s dossier information as PC in the 90, 180, or 270 day renewals. If there is new PC generated by the surveillance, then there is no need to use the terminated source. If there is no new PC from the surveillance, its a violation of policy to rely on the information from the terminated source as a substitute. The fact that the Bureau continued to present the Steele information in the renewals SUGGESTS — though is not necessarily conclusive — that there was insufficient intelligence coming out of the surveillance to provide new PC to continue the surveillance.

6. The idea that a Yahoo News article could be cited in a FISA application as “verification” of a source’s information is “Laugh Out Loud” funny. If such a claim was made in a regular FISA application, the first line of legal review would call and ask if that was included as a joke. The story in question cites anonymous sources. So you have Steele quoting anonymous sources, and Isikoff citing anonymous sources. The idea that they constitute verification of each other when the Bureau has no idea who they are or why they would know what they told Steele/Isikoff is simply “Through the Looking Glass” stuff. The fact that something like that survived FISA review confirms that the FISA process was corrupted. Its just beyond the pale — its that ridiculous.

7. When it became known that the info in the September 23, 2016 Yahoo News article matched pretty much exactly the information provided by Steele to the Bureau, and Steele denied having any contact with the press on the subject of his work, that would normally have led to a decision that Steele be polygraphed to see if he was being deceptive in his denial. If he had been polygraphed and passed, that would have been disclosed as the basis for believing his denial. The fact that he wasn’t polygraphed is a big tell that the “fix” was in — they feared he would fail. The idea that an Agent would write in the application — as Grassley’s memo says — ” The FBI does not believe [Steele] directly provided this information to the press”, relying only on Steele’s denial of having done so — MI6 or not — is laughable. Again, it goes back to the gravity of seeking a FISA warrant on a US citizen.

As you can see, veterans of the FISA process have collective eyebrows raised, and both this Bureau veteran and the retired federal judge quoted in my column have much more recent FISA experience than mine from the Reagan-era DOJ. It doesn’t seem likely to me that AG Sessions can avoid appointing a second special counsel, one wholly independent of the investigation underway by SC Mueller (which, to repeat, should continue without interference.)

As Secretary Clinton told me in our conversation last year, “you can keep two thoughts in your mind at the same time.” Thought one: The Russians attacked our election –they hacked John Podesta’s and the DNC’s emails, played havoc with social media etc– and everything about that attack needs complete investigation. Thought two: There is at least the appearance of impropriety regarding the treatment of the server investigation and in the obtaining of the Carter Page FISA warrant. A special counsel was needed for the investigation into the first issue. A special counsel is also needed for the investigation into the latter.

More On The Carter Page FISA Warrant And The Need For A Second Special Counsel « The Hugh Hewitt Show

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^^^ Yep, All of that adds up to lots of people facing criminal charges (and getting FIRED)

I have no idea what you're referring to. Are you claiming that something I posted isn't factually accurate?

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No - I think he is saying you are a cunt.

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VRPdommy

Accusations are just accusations.
Just put some evidence behind any and I'm sure there will be a investigation.

Reminding anyone how far things went on 'Bill Clinton' over much less.

There is no doubt of lt by anyone who hasn't been brain feed propaganda that the Russian's meddled in the election and that this effort continues.

We have a investigation to see to what extent it happened and how it happened and if anyone actually wants to fix the problem, the investigation will need to continue. I see nobody of 'sound mind' suggesting otherwise. but a few are starting to scare me.

To the extent many are trying to stop this investigation, with such effort, I do begin to wonder just how big this is. It could be far bigger than even I imagined.

2MuchMark

Not really...I just think that this matter is very serious. Acepimps casual disregard for the truth on the subject was funny at first but now it's actually kind of scary. This is GFY and we all get to tear each other to shreds and that's fun, but this subject is something people should start taking more seriously.

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You mean like a fake dossier?

No one is trying to stop any investigation. Because all roads lead to Clinton/Obama.

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Hey FakeNick... suck a dick. Then get some facts, because you are clueless.


I posted an article indicating that Adam Schiff has been leaking classified material to the press (a serious crime).

I posted a screen shot of the tweet from POTUS confirming Schiff is a leaker.

Mark: "You're stupid, grow up!"

Mark, please get informed. You can't show that my info is false. You can't indicate what the president has done that's SO bad, or how he isn't doing an excellent job. At some point, don't you feel as if Rachel Maddow is just lying to you?? I'm not even joking. The mainstream media's attempt to gaslight the public has been going on too long. Think for yourself, Mark. Look at the facts.. The unbiased facts, which are not partisan. I am an independent who has never voted Republican before. Trump is not a politician, which makes him the perfect person to clean up the corruption in DC. Frankly, you fruitcakes screaming about DACA and open borders can fuck right off. And my entire family are legal immigrants. DACA isn't real. It's not a law, it's a memo, which is unconstitutional. Unbiased fact. This whole deal with the MEMO is serious, the Dems are caught red-handed buying a fake intel dossier to sabotage Trump, and spying illegally, and Schiff is in panic mode. These are real facts, whether people like it or not

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i think you missed the news today

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Tell me all about your fake news revelation..

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Well, time difference and all that.

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That's it?

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All starting to fall into place.

David Laufman and Peter Strzok were the 2 people who interviewed the key players in Clinton's email scandal including Clinton herself.

https://www.redstate.com/streiff/201...denly-resigns/

Peter Strzok's wife was promoted to head of SEC's enforcement division hours after Hillary's emails were announced found on Weiner's laptop

https://www.sott.net/article/371308-...Weiners-laptop

Why they needed his wife there is still up in the air but I'm sure it will be revealed soon enough.

The roaches are fleeing the light.

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BREAKING: Another Longtime Aide To James Comey OUT at FBI





https://theconservativetreehouse.com...bill-priestap/

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Rochard

It's comical how you keep posting links to completely biased sites.

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Rochard, it is FACT they're the 2 people who interviewed them.. It's undeniable, irrefutable FACT


His wife did in fact get promoted within hours.
https://www.sec.gov/news/pressrelease/2016-217.html


Repeat after me until you're blue in the face

Sources of the source, sources of the source, sources of the source, SOURCES OF THE SOURCE...

This seemed to be a theme, using husband/wife.. Bruce Ohr, Neelie Ohr.. Huma/Weiner I guess Bill/Hillary always got away with it so?

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And all the investigations continue....

BaldBastard

When the Republicans released their memo, Democrats complained it omitted key points.

Republicans have claimed their memo shows that the FISA was given based on the dossier and most of the discussion in this thread and Trump supporting sites is about the legalities of that.

We know the Democrats wanted to release a memo showing the dossier was was not cause for the FISA warrant and there's much more alarming evidence as to why the warrant was issued.

While we don't know the content, we know the idea was to discredit Nunes shit stir attempt.

-- Trumps now blocked that memo release, but lets all get real clear on this.. not even Trump is saying its lies and if there was one thing in there that was, we know he would focus on it.

So redactions can be made all they want.. Nunes version is already blown away.

Acepimp

HUH?? How is the Nunes memo blown away? The FBI determined that it's 100% accurate.

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^^^ A Trumplestiltskin defending a debunked memo and the withholding of the Democrats senate approved memo.

So much for truth and freedom of speech in America, just the way the dictator wants it.

BaldBastard

Because even Nunes him fucking self said it..

Nunes admitted on “Fox & Friends” that the FBI application did include a “footnote” acknowledging some political origins the dossier’s political connection was not concealed from the surveillance court as alleged.

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And I did not says Nunes memo I said.. "Nunes Version" which was to totally discredit the FBI, place distrust on the investigation and Trump said he would sign off on it before even seeing it.

No doubt what they call a "footnote" was actually page one read first..

clipper

I think no matter which side of the political fence one may find themselves on these days, I think we can all both succinctly agree on at least one thing, that its all gone pear shaped

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Acepimp

Hey Uninformed People:

FBI Officials Find ZERO ?Factual Inaccuracies? In ?Shocking? FISA Memo

"But it's debunked!" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Try getting informed.

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The facts:
Johnny went to the shop to get some food
At the shop Johnny pulled a gun and shot the shop keeper dead and stole some food.
Johnny went home and ate his food.

Nunes version...

Johnny went to the shop to get some food
Johnny went home and ate his food.

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Yep his statement is 100% factual... but just forgot a few key points ;)

Try getting informed.

Acepimp

OK, inform me. What specifically did the memo leave out?

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The Gateway Pundit - Where Hope Finally Made a Comeback is not a news site.

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BaldBastard

You didn't receive your copy yet?

btw..

?There is a Russia investigation without a dossier," Gowdy said. "So to the extent the memo deals with the dossier and the FISA process, the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower. The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos? meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn?t have anything to do with obstruction of justice. So there?s going to be a Russia probe, even without a dossier.?

Acepimp

MUST BE WHY THEY'RE IN THE WHITE HOUSE PRESS POOL

Rochard, Your news sources won some awards in the FAKE NEWS AWARDS. You are being lied to.


LoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoL!!!!!

No shit, Gowdy is 100% correct. And Trump is NOT under investigation. When will you uninformed folks realize that? There was no collusion between Trump and Russia. Whether or not Russia attempted to somehow interfere is another matter- a matter in which the top intelligence heads have said that Russia DID NOT AFFECT THE OUTCOME.

The investigation has shifted into FBI-DoJ crimes & corruption. Oh, you mean Carter Page was an FBi employee, meaning the fisa warrant on him & the Trump campaign team was a ruse? That's a crime

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EonBlue

Do you think this matter is also very serious?

Millions in foreign funds spent in 2015 federal election to defeat Harper government, report alleges

Or you're okay with it when your guy wins because of it?



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