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onwebcam · 02-05-2018, 04:34 PM

300 Reality deniers

BaldBastard · 02-05-2018, 10:42 PM

Steve Bannon has decided a contempt of court charge will be less than he's due if he testifies again. 5 years vs 25 I guess...

Onehung, they surly didn't spy on the "campaign" individuals maybe but not the "campaign", had of they.. this shit all would of been out during the campaign, not after trump had won. Doss was passed to feds in July was plenty enough mud in it to throw at Trump but nadda until January.

If anything they should be charged for not releasing it to the public earlier, they were covering Trumps ass or.. they considered it a nothing burger, which seems to be the case, it was the media that hyped it.

onwebcam · 02-05-2018, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

Steve Bannon has decided a contempt of court charge will be less than he's due if he testifies again. 5 years vs 25 I guess...

Onehung, they surly didn't spy on the "campaign" individuals maybe but not the "campaign", had of they.. this shit all would of been out during the campaign, not after trump had won. Doss was passed to feds in July was plenty enough mud in it to throw at Trump but nadda until January.

If anything they should be charged for not releasing it to the public earlier, they were covering Trumps ass or.. they considered it a nothing burger, which seems to be the case, it was the media that hyped it.

It was a Title 1 warrant. Meaning Page was pretty much labeled a spy. They weren't just reading his emails and listening to his phone calls. ANYONE he had any contact with was swept up in the investigation. 24/7 surveillance.

Why didn't Trump do anything earlier? He was advised against likely. Early on he said "we will go after them, but we will through the proper channels." He's had to wait for the "Russia investigations" to be done before they dove into this... It's all been planned. They want what's coming fresh on the voters minds in November... Plus it gave them time to gather evidence without question...

White House says Trump's legal team supports a second special counsel to probe FBI, DOJ

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/05/trum...e-fbi-doj.html

BaldBastard · 02-05-2018, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

It was a Title 1 warrant. Meaning Page was pretty much labeled a spy. They weren't just reading his emails and listening to his phone calls. ANYONE he had any contact with was swept up in the investigation. 24/7 surveillance[/url]

And rightly so

onwebcam · 02-05-2018, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

And rightly so

Not, what did he do to make him a spy? Why hasn't he been charged as such? They had him under surveillance for years before.... What if your country decided to label you one for your dealings in the US? I'll have to look back because I'm not totally up to par on him but from what I remember he actually went to the FBI himself.. And from what the FBI claims the only reason they had him under surveillance originally is to make sure he didn't do something stupid.. As in he's a fucking idiot and they wanted to make sure he didn't get caught up in something...

onwebcam · 02-05-2018, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Not, what did he do to make him a spy? Why hasn't he been charged as such? They had him under surveillance for years before.... What if your country decided to label you one for your dealings in the US? I'll have to look back because I'm not totally up to par on him but from what I remember he actually went to the FBI himself.. And from what the FBI claims the only reason they had him under surveillance originally is to make sure he didn't do something stupid.. As in he's a fucking idiot and they wanted to make sure he didn't get caught up in something...

After typing that it got me to thinking.. The FBI has set many people up they have had under surveillance... But then I thought, wait.. What if Page actually worked for the FBI as an informant? Well it appears I'm not the only one...

He infact has testified "against a Russian" for them
https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/...umps-campaign/

He was an informant under protection.... Not surveillance..

Bladewire · 02-05-2018, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

You're saying that Obama didn't spy on the Trump campaign when it is admitted he did..
You're saying Hillary didn't pay for the dossier when in fact she did..

There you go again. In every thread today you've brought up Obama and/or Clinton. Your ideological pacifier.

You always revert back to Obama & Clinton when your ideology is backed into a corner, like when you peddled pizza gate for a year.

Facts are reality whether you acknowledge them or not.

onwebcam · 02-05-2018, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire

There you go again. In every thread today you've brought up Obama and/or Clinton. Your ideological pacifier.

You always revert back to Obama & Clinton when your ideology is backed into a corner, like when you peddled pizza gate for a year.

Dear fuckwit, you obviously missed what I was replying to..

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

like when you peddled pizza gate for a year.

I told your gay ass to PROVE it SHOW me a post bitch.

VRPdommy · 02-06-2018, 06:42 AM

The only way the FBI would have been surveiling Trump Tower would be if folks that the FBI already had under surveillance were in there. And they were !

Gee, it's certainly is funny that Trump made those charges way back just after it happened.

How did he know that ? It's a interesting question is it not ?
I could make a few guesses, but it is a huge question.

Was it forwarded info from a foreign spy, or those slanted folks in the FBI ? (LOL)

Bladewire · 02-06-2018, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

The only way the FBI would have been surveiling Trump Tower would be if folks that the FBI already had under surveillance were in there. And they were !

Gee, it's certainly is funny that Trump made those charges way back just after it happened.

How did he know that ? It's a interesting question is it not ?
I could make a few guesses, but it is a huge question.

Was it forwarded info from a foreign spy, or those slanted folks in the FBI ? (LOL)

The FBI wiretapped Trump Tower from 2011 to 2013 for a Russian money laundering operation 3 floors down from where Trump resides. 30 people were indicted on multiple felony counts. Trump's ties to the Russian mafia are well documented and the alt-rights Fusion GPS testified to this before Congress. Not to mention Trump's well known corruption with the Russian mafia at his Panama Trump tower building.

bronco67 · 02-06-2018, 06:54 AM

Wondering why the FBI is all over Trump and his associates is like wondering why the exterminator is spraying termites.

VRPdommy · 02-06-2018, 07:04 AM

I just find it unfunny the timing of many of Trumps comments over events we later learn happened.
And there are so many of these unfunny coincidences.

american pervert · 02-06-2018, 08:38 AM

Ron Paul gets it right

The release of the House Intelligence Committee?s memo on the FBI?s abuse of the FISA process set off a partisan firestorm. The Democrats warned us beforehand that declassifying the memo would be the end the world as we know it. It was reckless to allow Americans to see this classified material, they said. Agents in the field could be harmed, sources and methods would be compromised, they claimed.

Republicans who had seen the memo claimed that it was far worse than Watergate. They said that mass firings would begin immediately after it became public. They said that the criminality of US government agencies exposed by the memo would shock Americans.

Then it was released and the world did not end. FBI agents have thus far not been fired. Seeing ?classified? material did not terrify us, but rather it demonstrated clearly that information is kept from us by claiming it is ?classified.?

In the end, both sides got it wrong. Here?s what the memo really shows us:

First, the memo demonstrates that there is a ?deep state? that does not want things like elections to threaten its existence. Candidate Trump?s repeated promises to get along with Russia and to re-assess NATO so many years after the end of the Cold War were threatening to a Washington that depends on creating enemies to sustain the fear needed to justify a trillion dollar yearly military budget.

Imagine if candidate Trump had kept his campaign promises when he became President. Without the ?Russia threat? and without the ?China threat? and without the need to dump billions into NATO, we might actually have reaped a ?peace dividend? more than a quarter century after the end of the Cold War. That would have starved the war-promoting military-industrial complex and its network of pro-war ?think tanks? that populate the Washington Beltway area.

Second, the memo shows us that neither Republicans nor Democrats really care that much about surveillance abuse when average Americans are the victims. It is clear that the FISA abuse detailed in the memo was well known to Republicans like House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes before the memo was actually released. It was likely also well known by Democrats in the House. But both parties suppressed this evidence of FBI abuse of the FISA process until after the FISA Amendments Act could be re-authorized. They didn?t want Americans to know how corrupt the surveillance system really is and how the US has become far too much like East Germany. That might cause more Americans to call up their Representatives and demand that the FISA mass surveillance amendment be allowed to sunset.

Ironically, Chairman Nunes was the biggest cheerleader for the extension of the FISA Amendments even as he knew how terribly the FISA process had been abused!

Finally, hawks on both sides of the aisle in Congress used ?Russia-gate? as an excuse to build animosity toward Russia among average Americans. They knew from the classified information that there was no basis for their claims that the Trump Administration was put into office with Moscow?s assistance, but they played along because it served their real goal of keeping the US on war footing and keeping the gravy train rolling.

But don?t worry: the neocons in both parties will soon find another excuse to keep us terrified and ready to flush away a trillion dollars a year on military spending and continue our arguments and new ?Cold War? with Russia.

In the meantime, be skeptical of both parties. With few exceptions they are not protecting liberty but promoting its opposite.

onwebcam · 02-06-2018, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

Wondering why the FBI is all over Trump and his associates is like wondering why the exterminator is spraying termites.

Feel free to explain to me why the FBI needed a Title 1 warrant on a person who was obviously a paid informant. The only reason I could see is he was a plant/stooge and all a part of their scheme to begin with. Page wouldn't have been working for Russia after testifying against one!

onwebcam · 02-06-2018, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

I just find it unfunny the timing of many of Trumps comments over events we later learn happened.
And there are so many of these unfunny coincidences.

Perhaps because he's known all about the entire scheme since November 17th 2016
https://theconservativetreehouse.com...tional-crisis/

BaldBastard · 02-06-2018, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Feel free to explain to me why the FBI needed a Title 1 warrant on a person who was obviously a paid informant. The only reason I could see is he was a plant/stooge and all a part of their scheme to begin with. Page wouldn't have been working for Russia after testifying against one!

We don?t know what other evidence law enforcement may have relied on to obtain a warrant to investigate Page. While the dossier may have been cited, officials could have also included a significant amount of evidence collected by the US intelligence community.

You only know what's leaked, and Mueller is leaking sweet fuck all

What we do know is the released Memo was very selective in what it said.. trying to protect Trump by destroying creditability of the investigation and intelligence community. It served no other purpose.

.. There all going to Jail.

onwebcam · 02-06-2018, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

.. They're all going to Jail.

Fixed

Yep, just not who you think!

I've always wondered why Obama stayed in Washington and why the government spent millions fortifying a rental.... BECAUSE HE'S UNDER INVESTIGATION.

BaldBastard · 02-06-2018, 09:58 AM

3.54 am here, I'm excused :P

Truth will come out this week, Trump blocks the Dems memo or significantly redacts it..

Then he's guilty as fuck, if its nothing but a big ploy to get him, then he will have nothing to hide from and will release it as is.

See what Dear Leader decides.

Sarn · 02-06-2018, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by beerptrol

keep deflecting you russian loving snowflake. Robert Mueller is a republican and doing the investigation, which isn't done yet. Keep sucking the Chump cock

But it is you snowflake

A term for someone that thinks they are unique and special, but really are not. It gained popularity after the movie "Fight Club" from the quote ?You are not special. You're not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else."

Began being used extensively as a putdown for someone, usually on the political left, who is easily offended or felt they needed a "safe space" away from the harsh realities of the world, but now has morphed into a general putdown for anyone that complains about any subject.
Comedians have a hard time performing on college campuses anymore because of all the little snowflakes running around that get offended by just about anything they say.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...term=Snowflake

PS: I still wait the official result of the investigation

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

You're not very smart

It is new neomaccartism

McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence. The term refers to U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy and has its origins in the period in the United States known as the Second Red Scare, lasting roughly from 1947 to 1956 and characterized by heightened political repression as well as a campaign spreading fear of Communist influence on American institutions and of espionage by Soviet agents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

...
It truly is fucking amazing.. Those that study psychology are really learning a lot during these times.. Unfortunately the results will be used by those with ill intentions.. I'm sure even they are afraid of the reality we now face..

it is old research

Shock and strike each other - 1948 Yale University Psychology Experiments - Coub - GIFs with sound

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

The FBI wiretapped Trump Tower from 2011 to 2013 for a Russian money laundering operation 3 floors down from where Trump resides. 30 people were indicted on multiple felony counts. Trump's ties to the Russian mafia are well documented and the alt-rights Fusion GPS testified to this before Congress. Not to mention Trump's well known corruption with the Russian mafia at his Panama Trump tower building.

Another kebab stay Russian mafia?

Alimzhan Tokhtakhunov (Uzbekistan)
In Russia he was investigated about the legality of his Russian citizenship.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alimzhan_Tokhtakhunov

beerptrol · 02-06-2018, 10:24 AM

Republicans didn't have a problem with FISA when they voted to reauthorize it late last year!

onwebcam · 02-06-2018, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by beerptrol

Republicans didn't have a problem with FISA when they voted to reauthorize it late last year!

lol as if Washington would give up powers despite being caught abusing them..

The Porn Nerd · 02-06-2018, 10:43 AM

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onwebcam · 02-06-2018, 11:03 AM

Jel · 02-06-2018, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by american pervert

Ron Paul gets it right

The release of the House Intelligence Committee?s memo on the FBI?s abuse of the FISA process set off a partisan firestorm. The Democrats warned us beforehand that declassifying the memo would be the end the world as we know it. It was reckless to allow Americans to see this classified material, they said. Agents in the field could be harmed, sources and methods would be compromised, they claimed.

Republicans who had seen the memo claimed that it was far worse than Watergate. They said that mass firings would begin immediately after it became public. They said that the criminality of US government agencies exposed by the memo would shock Americans.

Then it was released and the world did not end. FBI agents have thus far not been fired. Seeing ?classified? material did not terrify us, but rather it demonstrated clearly that information is kept from us by claiming it is ?classified.?

In the end, both sides got it wrong. Here?s what the memo really shows us:

First, the memo demonstrates that there is a ?deep state? that does not want things like elections to threaten its existence. Candidate Trump?s repeated promises to get along with Russia and to re-assess NATO so many years after the end of the Cold War were threatening to a Washington that depends on creating enemies to sustain the fear needed to justify a trillion dollar yearly military budget.

Imagine if candidate Trump had kept his campaign promises when he became President. Without the ?Russia threat? and without the ?China threat? and without the need to dump billions into NATO, we might actually have reaped a ?peace dividend? more than a quarter century after the end of the Cold War. That would have starved the war-promoting military-industrial complex and its network of pro-war ?think tanks? that populate the Washington Beltway area.

Second, the memo shows us that neither Republicans nor Democrats really care that much about surveillance abuse when average Americans are the victims. It is clear that the FISA abuse detailed in the memo was well known to Republicans like House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes before the memo was actually released. It was likely also well known by Democrats in the House. But both parties suppressed this evidence of FBI abuse of the FISA process until after the FISA Amendments Act could be re-authorized. They didn?t want Americans to know how corrupt the surveillance system really is and how the US has become far too much like East Germany. That might cause more Americans to call up their Representatives and demand that the FISA mass surveillance amendment be allowed to sunset.

Ironically, Chairman Nunes was the biggest cheerleader for the extension of the FISA Amendments even as he knew how terribly the FISA process had been abused!

Finally, hawks on both sides of the aisle in Congress used ?Russia-gate? as an excuse to build animosity toward Russia among average Americans. They knew from the classified information that there was no basis for their claims that the Trump Administration was put into office with Moscow?s assistance, but they played along because it served their real goal of keeping the US on war footing and keeping the gravy train rolling.

But don?t worry: the neocons in both parties will soon find another excuse to keep us terrified and ready to flush away a trillion dollars a year on military spending and continue our arguments and new ?Cold War? with Russia.

In the meantime, be skeptical of both parties. With few exceptions they are not protecting liberty but promoting its opposite.

2MuchMark · 02-06-2018, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Acepimp

Mark, that is wild conspiracy based on NO EVIDENCE.

Why did the Trump campaign hire Carter Page to be his foreign policy adviser?

onwebcam · 02-06-2018, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Why did the Trump campaign hire Carter Page to be his foreign policy adviser?

They didn't, Carter Page was a volunteer..............

Page admits himself he never met any of the "others" including Trump. He wasn't producing what the Clinton cabal wanted so they made him a "spy" literally so they could expand their reach.

See my post above... He was a plant... A tool, a stooge..

VRPdommy · 02-06-2018, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

He didn't, Carter Page was a volunteer..............

Page admits himself he never met any of the "others" including Trump. He wasn't producing what the Clinton cabal wanted so they made him a "spy" literally.

See my post above... He was a plant...

I volunteered for my last job. Got payed handsomely too.
They must have felt I was qualified since they let me do it. They even did a background check on me. It was mandatory even though I don't like them.
If I would have had as much as a domestic abuse charge on my record, I would not have been allowed to 'volunteer'.

I think you are grabbing at straws and just got a short one !

onwebcam · 02-06-2018, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

I volunteered for my last job. Got payed handsomely too.
They must have felt I was qualified since they let me do it. They even did a background check on me. It was mandatory even though I don't like them.
If I would have had as much as a domestic abuse charge on my record, I would not have been allowed to 'volunteer'.

I think you are grabbing at straws and just got a short one !

lol at a campaign doing background checks on volunteers...

Especially since at the time Trump was funding it himself.. Besides what would they find? He wasn't charged with anything in the prior case BECAUSE HE WAS AN INFORMANT

Cater Page saying he will be vindicated.. Because he knows who he was really working for... The people who set him up...

Carter Page: FBI 'shredded' Constitution by eavesdropping on me - ABC News

VRPdommy · 02-06-2018, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

lol at a campaign doing background checks on volunteers...

Especially since at the time Trump was funding it himself.. Besides what would they find? He wasn't charged with anything in the prior case BECAUSE HE WAS AN INFORMANT

Cater Page saying he will be vindicated.. Because he knows who he was really working for... The people who set him up...

Carter Page: FBI 'shredded' Constitution by eavesdropping on me - ABC News

But you have the choice of who serves you !
And most of these volunteers were at the suggestion (if not the outright pick) of other advisers.

onwebcam · 02-06-2018, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

But you have the choice of who serves you !
And most of these volunteers were at the suggestion (if not the outright pick) of other advisers.

Sorry, campaigns don't even remotely care who volunteers for them. If you can do anything period to help you're on.... You make good coffee and you'll work for free? Great! We will give you this cool sounding title as payment mmmkay? Now where's that coffee!

VRPdommy · 02-06-2018, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Sorry, campaigns don't even remotely care who volunteers for them. If you can do anything period to help you're on.... You make good coffee and you'll work for free? Great! We will give you this cool sounding title as payment mmmkay? Now where's that coffee!

Who do you think you are fooling with that BS !
Everyone involved/getting caught is belittled to a coffee boy.
You can put it up for sale, but I doubt many will buy it.

Go back to fox views and get your next line cause this one doen't work.
It's a broken record.

onwebcam · 02-06-2018, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

Who do you think you are fooling with that BS !
Everyone involved/getting caught is belittled to a coffee boy.
You can put it up for sale, but I doubt many will buy it.

Go back to fox views and get your next line cause this one doen't work.
It's a broken record.

The media tried to say he hasn't spoke to Trump since the campaign. Today he had to correct them

Carter Page says he's never spoken with Trump in his life

https://nypost.com/2018/02/06/carter...ver-met-trump/

Carter Page claims he?s never even met President Trump - NY Daily News

Carter Page was the tool used as an in. I said over a year ago they planted someone. Well now we know who at least one is.

VRPdommy · 02-06-2018, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Carter Page says he's never spoken with Trump in his life

https://nypost.com/2018/02/06/carter...ver-met-trump/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.3802332

It is his involvement in the campaign and ties, not his chat with trump.
I've had a lot a bosses I never had a spoken work to.
Orders came through others or email.
But I have to say, I have never seen a admin that had so many folks with questionable ties to Russia.
And I doubt we will ever see it again.

But you must think that I believe that he has direct ties to trump and I don't. Don't care either.
I think Manafort and Flynn had more to do with him directly and indirectly.

onwebcam · 02-06-2018, 01:11 PM

onwebcam · 02-06-2018, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

It is his involvement in the campaign and ties, not his chat with trump.
I've had a lot a bosses I never had a spoken work to.
Orders came through others or email.
But I have to say, I have never seen a admin that had so many folks with questionable ties to Russia.
And I doubt we will ever see it again.

But you must think that I believe that he has direct ties to trump and I don't. Don't care either.
I think Manafort and Flynn had more to do with him directly and indirectly.

So Trump is guilty by disassociation? That's a new one (referring to Page)
Manafort and Flynn's charges have nothing to do with the Trump campaign....

Robbie · 02-06-2018, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

But I have to say, I have never seen a admin that had so many folks with questionable ties to Russia.

You mean that you were AWARE of.

General Flynn for instance...he worked for Obama as well. He supposedly had all sorts of "Russian ties". But there wasn't a Russian witch hunt going on then with Obama. Only now with Trump.

We, the people...have been fucked by govt. and lied to our entire lives. The press and the establishment decides what we get to know and when we get to know it.

Just like Carter Page. He was under "investigation" for years right?
But they NEVER brought ANY charges against him. And unless you had access to FBI classified info... nobody had any idea he was being "investigated".

Also...like to point out again...the FBI has a long history of trampling on civil rights.
They had Martin Luther King under "investigation" for more than a decade.
They had John Lennon under "investigation" for more than a decade.
Wiretaps, surveillance photos and video...etc.

The FBI has long been a weapon of choice for politicians.

Rochard · 02-06-2018, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by beerptrol

Republicans didn't have a problem with FISA when they voted to reauthorize it late last year!

Damn Republicans.

It's a Republican, recently reauthorized by Republicans, a FISA warrant filed by Republicans, which were reviewed by not one, not two, not three, but four Republicans judges and... Clearly it's Obama's fault.

onwebcam · 02-06-2018, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Damn Republicans.

It's a Republican, recently reauthorized by Republicans, a FISA warrant filed by Republicans, which were reviewed by not one, not two, not three, but four Republicans judges and... Clearly it's Obama's fault.

At that point Carter Page wasn't a household name... So far, and by Schiff's own admission, the only thing they were notified of was Steele had "political motivation"

It should also be mentioned that Schiff stated today that "the FISA court did not see the entire dossier" actually he said the didn't see the "salacious" parts...

So whatever they presented was tied up with a nice pretty bow.

One thing many keep ignoring is, the FISA court came back later and told the Obama admin what they were doing was illegal... Several times..

onwebcam · 02-06-2018, 03:26 PM

I'm breaking the news

FYI I didn't write the article but you saw it unfold here first

In March 2016 Carter Page Was an FBI Employee – In October 2016 FBI Told FISA Court He’s a Spy…https://theconservativetreehouse.com...urt-hes-a-spy/

VRPdommy · 02-06-2018, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

You mean that you were AWARE of.

General Flynn for instance...he worked for Obama as well. He supposedly had all sorts of "Russian ties". But there wasn't a Russian witch hunt going on then with Obama. Only now with Trump.

We, the people...have been fucked by govt. and lied to our entire lives. The press and the establishment decides what we get to know and when we get to know it.

Just like Carter Page. He was under "investigation" for years right?
But they NEVER brought ANY charges against him. And unless you had access to FBI classified info... nobody had any idea he was being "investigated".

Also...like to point out again...the FBI has a long history of trampling on civil rights.
They had Martin Luther King under "investigation" for more than a decade.
They had John Lennon under "investigation" for more than a decade.
Wiretaps, surveillance photos and video...etc.

The FBI has long been a weapon of choice for politicians.

It is a well publicized fact that Obama rid himself of Flynn when the knowledge hit his desk.
AND
He had warned the incoming Trump admin about him.

You are not going to create doubt in my mind just on history. Bring something solid to the front, lets investigate them all. But your not going to start by dismissing a investigation on flimsy allegations that are highly politically motivated. If for no other reason, it looks very obstructionist. If there is nothing to find, nothing will be found. They are not going to fabricate evidence. If there is any wrong doings, it will come out in the end for you must to have a 'chain of evidence'. How you got to this info... what lead you to it.
It works no different for POTUS and his cabinet than it does for anyone on the street.

Wanna investigate the FBI... great, let's do it. Just give them a reason to take it serious.
I wonder why the Senate does not See it the same way as the House. They both have independent oversight and separate investigations. The whole story might have the beginnings of merit if they both were saying the same thing. But I would welcome a separate investigation of all FISA warrants.

If there are crimes, they should be punished and I don't really care who did them.
I'm not going to look the other way. I don't like either party. Some are just more 'NUTS' than the others

Robbie · 02-06-2018, 05:02 PM

Doesn't really matter what you "accept".
The FBI is an institution that has been long reviled and criticized by Democrats (and for good reason).
But now...they are suddenly above reproach and can do no wrong?
That's bullshit and straight up hypocrisy based on nothing but hatred of Trump by the establishment politicians.

Rochard · 02-06-2018, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Doesn't really matter what you "accept".
The FBI is an institution that has been long reviled and criticized by Democrats (and for good reason).
But now...they are suddenly above reproach and can do no wrong?
That's bullshit and straight up hypocrisy based on nothing but hatred of Trump by the establishment politicians.

No one and no organization is above reproach.

With that said, there is zero indication of any wrong doing or any bias on the part of the FBI. Comey and the top three people at the FBI are Republicans. All four of the judges who approved the FISA warrants are Republicans appointed by Republicans. This is a FISA warrant. This isn't a joke. This is not keystone cops going to a crooked judge to get a warrant on undependable information. It has to go through multiple levels of the FBI before it goes to a judge. If that isn't enough, every time they went to renew the warrant they had to show what they found - which means they found enough evidence to continue with the warrant. Not once mind you - three times.

It's stunning how we had a dozen investigations into Hillary Clinton, yet one investigation into Trump and suddenly we are questioning the FBI.

If there is no wrong doing and nothing to hide, let the investigation continue. Instead, they are working on obstruction at all levels.

Bladewire · 02-06-2018, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

Doesn't really matter what you "accept".
The FBI is an institution that has been long reviled and criticized by Democrats (and for good reason).
But now...they are suddenly above reproach and can do no wrong?
That's bullshit and straight up hypocrisy based on nothing but hatred of Trump by the establishment politicians.

As a Democrat I've always respected the FBI, even when idiots like Comey fuck things up.

You literally just make shit up and spit it out your ass it's just kind of sad.

To you, anyone not team trump is a bleeding heart liberal. Trump is a cuck, you're a cuck, but you're giving trump Alpha status and he's not an alpha. sad

Rochard · 02-06-2018, 06:06 PM

The best part is George Papadopoulos - the one who was in London telling everyone about how the Russians had the hacked emails before anyone else knew - has rolled over and is telling everyone everything he knows.

I'm sure he doesn't know anything.

VRPdommy · 02-06-2018, 06:27 PM

LOL...
Now Papadopoulos can be the coffee boy liar cheat sneak that was a plant.... LOL...

BaldBastard · 02-06-2018, 07:13 PM

Russians already meddling in US midterms

Russians already meddling in US midterms, Tillerson says | Fox News

onwebcam · 02-06-2018, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire

As a Democrat

Hey there Bladeliar, You've been saying for several years at least you weren't a Democrat.

onwebcam · 02-06-2018, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

No one and no organization is above reproach.

With that said, there is zero indication of any wrong doing or any bias on the part of the FBI.

VRPdommy · 02-06-2018, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

Russians already meddling in US midterms

Russians already meddling in US midterms, Tillerson says | Fox News

Go Get'm Rex !

I know, I know, the earth is flat and we did not go to the moon and there is not a roadster orbiting the earth...

Acepimp · 02-06-2018, 08:18 PM

Congressman Matt Gaetz schooled Jake Tapper so hard, Tapper accused him of being a Nazi!!! HAHAHA! CNN is PATHETIC

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02-06-2018, 06:54 AM	#311
bronco67 Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,035	Wondering why the FBI is all over Trump and his associates is like wondering why the exterminator is spraying termites. __________________

02-06-2018, 08:38 AM	#313
american pervert Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,809	Ron Paul gets it right The release of the House Intelligence Committee?s memo on the FBI?s abuse of the FISA process set off a partisan firestorm. The Democrats warned us beforehand that declassifying the memo would be the end the world as we know it. It was reckless to allow Americans to see this classified material, they said. Agents in the field could be harmed, sources and methods would be compromised, they claimed. Republicans who had seen the memo claimed that it was far worse than Watergate. They said that mass firings would begin immediately after it became public. They said that the criminality of US government agencies exposed by the memo would shock Americans. Then it was released and the world did not end. FBI agents have thus far not been fired. Seeing ?classified? material did not terrify us, but rather it demonstrated clearly that information is kept from us by claiming it is ?classified.? In the end, both sides got it wrong. Here?s what the memo really shows us: First, the memo demonstrates that there is a ?deep state? that does not want things like elections to threaten its existence. Candidate Trump?s repeated promises to get along with Russia and to re-assess NATO so many years after the end of the Cold War were threatening to a Washington that depends on creating enemies to sustain the fear needed to justify a trillion dollar yearly military budget. Imagine if candidate Trump had kept his campaign promises when he became President. Without the ?Russia threat? and without the ?China threat? and without the need to dump billions into NATO, we might actually have reaped a ?peace dividend? more than a quarter century after the end of the Cold War. That would have starved the war-promoting military-industrial complex and its network of pro-war ?think tanks? that populate the Washington Beltway area. Second, the memo shows us that neither Republicans nor Democrats really care that much about surveillance abuse when average Americans are the victims. It is clear that the FISA abuse detailed in the memo was well known to Republicans like House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes before the memo was actually released. It was likely also well known by Democrats in the House. But both parties suppressed this evidence of FBI abuse of the FISA process until after the FISA Amendments Act could be re-authorized. They didn?t want Americans to know how corrupt the surveillance system really is and how the US has become far too much like East Germany. That might cause more Americans to call up their Representatives and demand that the FISA mass surveillance amendment be allowed to sunset. Ironically, Chairman Nunes was the biggest cheerleader for the extension of the FISA Amendments even as he knew how terribly the FISA process had been abused! Finally, hawks on both sides of the aisle in Congress used ?Russia-gate? as an excuse to build animosity toward Russia among average Americans. They knew from the classified information that there was no basis for their claims that the Trump Administration was put into office with Moscow?s assistance, but they played along because it served their real goal of keeping the US on war footing and keeping the gravy train rolling. But don?t worry: the neocons in both parties will soon find another excuse to keep us terrified and ready to flush away a trillion dollars a year on military spending and continue our arguments and new ?Cold War? with Russia. In the meantime, be skeptical of both parties. With few exceptions they are not protecting liberty but promoting its opposite. __________________ I can resist everything except temptation

02-06-2018, 10:24 AM	#320
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02-05-2018, 10:42 PM	#302
BaldBastard Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Sydney Posts: 14,503	Steve Bannon has decided a contempt of court charge will be less than he's due if he testifies again. 5 years vs 25 I guess... Onehung, they surly didn't spy on the "campaign" individuals maybe but not the "campaign", had of they.. this shit all would of been out during the campaign, not after trump had won. Doss was passed to feds in July was plenty enough mud in it to throw at Trump but nadda until January. If anything they should be charged for not releasing it to the public earlier, they were covering Trumps ass or.. they considered it a nothing burger, which seems to be the case, it was the media that hyped it.

02-06-2018, 06:42 AM	#309
VRPdommy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 8,867	The only way the FBI would have been surveiling Trump Tower would be if folks that the FBI already had under surveillance were in there. And they were ! Gee, it's certainly is funny that Trump made those charges way back just after it happened. How did he know that ? It's a interesting question is it not ? I could make a few guesses, but it is a huge question. Was it forwarded info from a foreign spy, or those slanted folks in the FBI ? (LOL)

02-06-2018, 07:04 AM	#312
VRPdommy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 8,867	I just find it unfunny the timing of many of Trumps comments over events we later learn happened. And there are so many of these unfunny coincidences.

02-06-2018, 09:58 AM	#318
BaldBastard Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Sydney Posts: 14,503	3.54 am here, I'm excused :P Truth will come out this week, Trump blocks the Dems memo or significantly redacts it.. Then he's guilty as fuck, if its nothing but a big ploy to get him, then he will have nothing to hide from and will release it as is. See what Dear Leader decides.

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02-06-2018, 06:06 PM	#344
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VRPdommy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 8,867	LOL... Now Papadopoulos can be the coffee boy liar cheat sneak that was a plant.... LOL...

02-06-2018, 07:13 PM	#346
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