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OneHungLo · 02-03-2018, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by acepimp

^^ making excuses for massive crimes and abuse of power. Spying on a citizen and political opponent after buying a fake dossier full of lies- that's illegal rochard. Does any of this compute? Or are you that big of an obama fan boy that you think these crimes are ok?

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just..

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Robbie · 02-03-2018, 07:22 PM

Just like to point out that the FBI had Martin Luther King under "surveillance" and "investigation" for over a decade.
The FBI is an agency that has abused power over and over and over.
This time it's the biggest attempt that they have ever made.

BaldBastard · 02-03-2018, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Acepimp

^^ Making excuses for massive crimes and abuse of power. Spying on a citizen and political opponent after buying a fake dossier full of lies- that's illegal Rochard. Does any of this compute? Or are you that big of an Obama fan boy that you think these crimes are ok?

^^ Making excuses for massive crimes and abuse of power, what you do all day isn't

Helix · 02-03-2018, 07:41 PM

What is the penalty for lying to a FISA judge?

Acepimp · 02-03-2018, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by beerptrol

Blind to the crimes of Chump, yet accuses everyone else of being blind. Good Russian troll

What crimes??? There's no evidence, after 2 years of looking. You KNOW something would have leaked by now. There's nothing. "Collusion" isn't even a crime anyway. She lost BIGLY, get over it already

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

It's a coordinated campaign of misinformation and endless arguing. It's meant to keep reasonable people unreasonably yelling at each other. You are WAY too smart a cookie not to realize the Russians are masters at this kind of nonsense.

^^THIS. Pretty much accurate, except the plot to divide people isn't coming from Russians.

?Blame Russia? Plan Hatched by Podesta, Mook Within 24 Hours of Election Loss

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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

^^ Making excuses for massive crimes and abuse of power, what you do all day isn't

What crimes??? There's no evidence of anything. You got duped by #FakeNews

Rochard · 02-03-2018, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MFCT

Hmm, the plot thickens...

< 50%

"WASHINGTON (AP) ? In a story Feb. 2 about a Republican memo on the Russia investigation, The Associated Press erroneously reported that a former British spy's work on an opposition research project was initially funded by the conservative Washington Free Beacon. Though the former spy, Christopher Steele, was hired by a firm that was initially funded by the Washington Free Beacon, he did not begin work on the project until after Democratic groups had begun funding it."

Source:
https://apnews.com/63c883156e314b68b86209d3b63890f5

This right here is a huge part of the problem. We already knew this.

The Washington Free Beacon, which was working with Rubio if I recall correctly, hired Fusion GPS. Steele came on board later after the Democrats started funding the opposition research. Wasn't this all common knowledge?

It's also completely irrelevant. Who funded the opposition research and who did the opposition research is irrelevant. It's opposition research. The Democrats do it, the Republicans do it. It's not illegal nor or is it even remotely politically incorrect. Both sides do it for nearly all elections.

Who did the research is also irrelevant. Clearly you would never want someone is likes the candidate. You want someone who dislikes the candidate, someone who is going to go the extra mile to find out all of the dirt. This is what was done in this case.

We do not know the full details of what's been confirmed in the dossier - how much of it is correct, and how much of it was real. More of it was real than was fake.

They are placing too much hype on the dossier. The dossier merely one part of the puzzle.

onwebcam · 02-03-2018, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

This right here is a huge part of the problem. We already knew this.

The Washington Free Beacon, which was working with Rubio if I recall correctly, hired Fusion GPS. Steele came on board later after the Democrats started funding the opposition research. Wasn't this all common knowledge?

It's also completely irrelevant. Who funded the opposition research and who did the opposition research is irrelevant. It's opposition research. The Democrats do it, the Republicans do it. It's not illegal nor or is it even remotely politically incorrect. Both sides do it for nearly all elections.

Who did the research is also irrelevant. Clearly you would never want someone is likes the candidate. You want someone who dislikes the candidate, someone who is going to go the extra mile to find out all of the dirt. This is what was done in this case.

We do not know the full details of what's been confirmed in the dossier - how much of it is correct, and how much of it was real. More of it was real than was fake.

They are placing too much hype on the dossier. The dossier merely one part of the puzzle.

Except for this little problem. McCabe stated under oath "There would be no FISA warrant without the Steele dossier"

The dossier has been debunked since before the election. You and others like you are just unwilling to accept it.. The FBI fired Steele shortly after obtaining the warrant because they knew it was false.. They claim they fired him because he was talking to the press after.. But they knew he was feeding yahoo info which they used to corroborate the dossier.

Acepimp · 02-03-2018, 09:57 PM

The Porn Nerd · 02-03-2018, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Acepimp

^^THIS. Pretty much accurate, except the plot to divide people isn't coming from Russians.

That's why we need to see IPs. LOL

Acepimp · 02-03-2018, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

That's why we need to see IPs. LOL

The collusion delusion is a hoax, buddy. And I live about 4 hrs from NYC. Let's get drinks

DukeSkywalker · 02-04-2018, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

This right here is a huge part of the problem. We already knew this.

The Washington Free Beacon, which was working with Rubio if I recall correctly, hired Fusion GPS. Steele came on board later after the Democrats started funding the opposition research. Wasn't this all common knowledge?

It's also completely irrelevant. Who funded the opposition research and who did the opposition research is irrelevant. It's opposition research. The Democrats do it, the Republicans do it. It's not illegal nor or is it even remotely politically incorrect. Both sides do it for nearly all elections.

Who did the research is also irrelevant. Clearly you would never want someone is likes the candidate. You want someone who dislikes the candidate, someone who is going to go the extra mile to find out all of the dirt. This is what was done in this case.

We do not know the full details of what's been confirmed in the dossier - how much of it is correct, and how much of it was real. More of it was real than was fake.

They are placing too much hype on the dossier. The dossier merely one part of the puzzle.

I think you are missing the gravity of the situation when it comes to a fisa warrant and using that to spy on a presidential candidate. That?s scary ass shit

The Porn Nerd · 02-04-2018, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Acepimp

The collusion delusion is a hoax, buddy. And I live about 4 hrs from NYC. Let's get drinks

I'm always down for a good time.
When it gets warmer tho.
Fucking freezing my dick off here. Yikes.
I'm staying in 'til Spring. LOL

Rochard · 02-04-2018, 02:02 AM

And now it comes out that when they filed the FISA warrant they did in fact tell the judge some of the information came from opposition research from a political organization. At this point, the entire Nunes memo is nothing but bullshit. In fact, the "memo" itself is nothing more than a document written by someone who never even read the FISA warrant.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.b9b30ea6a8d0

Paul Markham · 02-04-2018, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

We aren't sure of what the FBI has. There is an ongoing investigation. Once the investigation is complete we will know a lot more. However, with that said, so four people have had charges filed against them.

From what little we know there is clear evidence of collusion with the Russian government. Carter Page was under investigation of being a spy for Russia before Trump decided to run for office, and before he was part of the Trump campaign. George Papadopoulos was meeting with Russian agents in London, and bragging about the Russians giving them inside information against Hillary Clinton. This doesn't come from the FBI or even the Steele dossier; This comes from a foreign government.

So they have a lot of evidence. And they have a lot more evidence than what they can tell us.

Is it a crime to get information from a foreign government on an opponent? What info and was it true? How many have been convicted in a court of law?

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It's not illegal for a top ranking government official to have emails on a private server. In fact, it is not illegal for a top ranking government official to have classified emails on a private server. At the time it was common - Prior Secretaries of State did this, as well as members of Congress.

Oddly enough none of them have been investigated.

If not illegal it should be.

State Department covered up Hillary Clinton's private email server for years | Daily Mail Online

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallp...ls-and-the-law

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.8e9c9e1e7678

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And?

Some emails were lost. This is more of a technical issue than anything else. If Hillary Clinton ordered the emails destroyed to hide something, that is a serious crime. Otherwise it's more of a disappointment. The Bush administration lost millions of emails, but oddly enough no one seemed to care.

Why Hillary Clinton Deleted 33,000 Emails as Secretary of State - ABC News

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ele...n-lost-n794131

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1FA15O

https://nypost.com/2017/08/07/hillar...und-somewhere/

Paul Markham · 02-04-2018, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RedFred

Trump taught you that being a liar is the way to get through life. Sad.

If you believe Trump is the only liar in congress, you are more stupid than I thought.

Paul Markham · 02-04-2018, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Yeah, because "Russia" and Putin are so concerned about what a bunch of mostly losers who aren't even technically in the porn industry anymore think about the fact that the FBI was spying on Trump.

It's of critical concern to "Mother Russia".

He qualifies.

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synonyms:
2) persecution complex, delusions, obsession, psychosis
"her husband had concocted a cruel scheme to inflict her with paranoia"
3) suspicion and mistrust of people or their actions without evidence or justification.

onwebcam · 02-04-2018, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

And now it comes out that when they filed the FISA warrant they did in fact tell the judge some of the information came from opposition research from a political organization. At this point, the entire Nunes memo is nothing but bullshit. In fact, the "memo" itself is nothing more than a document written by someone who never even read the FISA warrant.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.b9b30ea6a8d0

If you think this helps your case in any way there is zero help for you.

beerptrol · 02-04-2018, 07:15 AM

Trey Gowdy Rebuts Trump ?Vindication? Claim: Memo Has No Impact on Russia Probe

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trey-gow...-russia-probe/

onwebcam · 02-04-2018, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by beerptrol

Trey Gowdy Rebuts Trump ?Vindication? Claim: Memo Has No Impact on Russia Probe

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trey-gow...-russia-probe/

Gowdy knows Mueller is actually working on the real crimes committed by the Obama Admin, Hillary Clinton and the DNC... He can say "Russia collusion" because that's what it was just not by who you think..

Once again. Trump met with Mueller the day before his appointment for an "interview"

https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/13/polit...iew/index.html

And we now know Trump knew about everything via Mike Rogers in November 2016..

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ber-17th-2016/

It's done.. The Trump Russia collusion BS is over. Your best hope is to pray the first black President doesn't end up the first ex-President tried for treason.

crockett · 02-04-2018, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Just like to point out that the FBI had Martin Luther King under "surveillance" and "investigation" for over a decade.
The FBI is an agency that has abused power over and over and over.
This time it's the biggest attempt that they have ever made.

Just like to point out Robbie parrots everything he see's on Fox News. He has no opinion other than what Robert Murdock tells him to have..

beerptrol · 02-04-2018, 07:43 AM

Keep spinning your bullshit

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Gowdy knows Mueller is actually working on the real crimes committed by the Obama Admin, Hillary Clinton and the DNC... He can say "Russia collusion" because that's what it was just not by who you think..

Once again. Trump met with Mueller the day before his appointment for an "interview"

https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/13/polit...iew/index.html

And we now know Trump knew about everything via Mike Rogers in November 2016..

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ber-17th-2016/

It's done.. The Trump Russia collusion BS is over. Your best hope is to pray the first black President doesn't end up the first ex-President tried for treason.

crockett · 02-04-2018, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Gowdy knows Mueller is actually working on the real crimes committed by the Obama Admin, Hillary Clinton and the DNC... He can say "Russia collusion" because that's what it was just not by who you think..

Once again. Trump met with Mueller the day before his appointment for an "interview"

https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/13/polit...iew/index.html

And we now know Trump knew about everything via Mike Rogers in November 2016..

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ber-17th-2016/

It's done.. The Trump Russia collusion BS is over. Your best hope is to pray the first black President doesn't end up the first ex-President tried for treason.

Since you are so keen on what Gowdy says, here is a bit more of his interview that you willfully ignored.. He says the memo has zero chance of killing the investigation...

Pressing the point, CBS News White House and senior foreign affairs correspondent Margaret Brennan asked: "The memo has no impact on the Russia probe?"

"Not to me, it doesn't ? and I was pretty integrally involved in the drafting of it," Gowdy, a former federal prosecutor, said. "There is a Russia investigation without a dossier. So to the extent the memo deals with the dossier and the FISA process, the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower. The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn't have anything to do with obstruction of justice. So there's going to be a Russia probe, even without a dossier."

He stright up says even if the dossier didn't exist, they would still be investigating Trump..

So sad you choose to inform yourself with only half the story.. But then again you are a Putinbot...

Suddenly 50 thousand Putinbots screamed out and were silenced...

onwebcam · 02-04-2018, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Since you are so keen on what Gowdy says, here is a bit more of his interview that you willfully ignored.. He says the memo has zero change of killing the investigation...

Dear idiot, of course it has "zero chance of killing the investigation" because the investigation isn't what you hope for.. They aren't going to touch Mueller because they know full well what he's really doing...

crockett · 02-04-2018, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Dear idiot, of course it has "zero chance of killing the investigation" because the investigation isn't what you hope for.. Like I've been saying all along..

Dear idiot.. why do you cherry pick then get all mad when the rest of what he said was posted?

crockett · 02-04-2018, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Dear idiot, of course it has "zero chance of killing the investigation" because the investigation isn't what you hope for.. They aren't going to touch Mueller because they know full well what he's really doing...

Since you edited your post...

Can you please make up your mind if the FBI is corrupted and falsely investigating Trump or that it's all a big super secret ruse to get Dirty Hillary..

Your grand delusions are so hard to keep up with because you are always changing your story...

onwebcam · 02-04-2018, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Dear idiot.. why do you cherry pick then get all mad when the rest of what he said was posted?

If you want to understand what he's saying you need a brain.

"There is a Russia investigation without a dossier"

Read that several times very slowly, slow enough that your brain can absorb it.

crockett · 02-04-2018, 08:01 AM

Oh and btw, "Cambridge Analytica" that Gowdy mentioned is your boy Bannon's company. That means Bannon is a direct target of the investigation as well which he just let slip..

crockett · 02-04-2018, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

If you want to understand what he's saying you need a brain.

"There is a Russia investigation without a dossier"

Read that several times very slowly, slow enough that your brain can absorb it.

He said the dossier didn't have anything to do with the "Trump tower meeting" or "Cambridge Analytica email"...

Read again Putinbot..

crockett · 02-04-2018, 08:06 AM

He mad now...

CaptainHowdy · 02-04-2018, 08:06 AM

Unrelease the memo!

onwebcam · 02-04-2018, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

He said the dossier didn't have anything to do with the "Trump tower meeting" or "Cambridge Analytica email"...

Read again Putinbot..

Trey Gowdy is very well trained at providing information without really showing his cards..

The fact that you think he is rooting for Trump's removal is hilarious to say the least.

crockett · 02-04-2018, 08:09 AM

Btw.. why would Bannon be direct target? It's because if you paid attention from the start, one of the big questions was how did the Russians know to target specific areas with postings.

How? They got the data from Bannon or the Trump campaign.. Perhaps that's why Bannon turned on Trump because Trump used Bannons data and gave it to the Russians..

crockett · 02-04-2018, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Unrelease the memo!

LoL this is pretty much it. For some cherry picked talking points they sure picked some bad ones. The memo even admits the FBI investigation into Trump's campaign started before the dossier..

I'm 100% certain Trump's lawyer's wrote the memo as only they could be this bad at trying to discredit the FBI..

beerptrol · 02-04-2018, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Trey Gowdy is very well trained at providing information without really showing his cards..

The fact that you think he is rooting for Trump's removal is hilarious to say the least.

lol!!!!!!! No one said he is rooting for Chump's removal. You just love to spin and deflect shit like a good Russian loving Chumpanzee. Keep trying to change the narrative

The memo was a political hit job against the FBI by Chump and his russian loving lap dogs

VRPdommy · 02-04-2018, 08:28 AM

The most interesting event in a timeline of events of this whole story that I was not aware of previously was this...

Dec. 26: Oleg Erovinkin, a former KGB official who was suspected assisting a former British spy in compiling a dossier alleging Trump ties to Russia, is found dead in the back seat of his car in Moscow.

Kinda makes the dossier have unverifiable elements at this point... but not 'fake'.

read the whole timeline...

https://www.politico.com/trump-russi...line-of-events

1st
We might assume a couple of things.
The current RNC charge is to 'free' Manafort and Papadopoulos.
They are the chief witnesses against Trump.
You must get evidence obtained against them thrown out.

2nd
If/when Mueller concludes, he is not likely to do more than drop all the intelligence on congress's lap. So it really is a matter of timing. Does it happen while it is controlled by the GOP or possibly when it is controlled by the DNC. So there is a sense of urgency by trump and RNC to make this go away very soon.
Or we are going to have a real fight trying to charge a sitting president. Much of that depends on the charges and if it affects the duty of the working president. most of which will likely be decided by the Supreme Court.

So it is more likely going to take public pressure to really get to the bottom of this.
That is if there is any backbone to know if and to what extent any foreign powers has influenced top officials of our government.

onwebcam · 02-04-2018, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

The most interesting event in a timeline of events of this whole story that I was not aware of previously was this...

Dec. 26: Oleg Erovinkin, a former KGB official who was suspected assisting a former British spy in compiling a dossier alleging Trump ties to Russia, is found dead in the back seat of his car in Moscow.

Kinda makes the dossier have unverifiable elements at this point... but not 'fake'.

read the whole timeline...

https://www.politico.com/trump-russi...line-of-events

1st
We might assume a couple of things.
The current RNC charge is to 'free' Manafort and Papadopoulos.
They are the chief witnesses against Trump.
You must get evidence obtained against them thrown out.

2nd
If/when Mueller concludes, he is not likely to do more than drop all the intelligence on congress's lap. So it really is a matter of timing. Does it happen while it is controlled by the GOP or possibly when it is controlled by the DNC. So there is a sense of urgency by trump and RNC to make this go away very soon.
Or we are going to have a real fight trying to charge a sitting president. Much of that depends on the charges and if it affects the duty of the working president. most of which will likely be decided by the Supreme Court.

So it is more likely going to take public pressure to really get to the bottom of this.
That is if there is any backbone to know if and to what extent any foreign powers has influenced top officials of our government.

SO let me get this straight. You post an article telling you Hillary and the DNC where working with a former KGB agent (who ended up getting Arkancided) via Steele and you turn that story into Trump / Russia collusion?

Acepimp · 02-04-2018, 09:10 AM

Crockett still thinks there is an investigation into Trump

Trump is NOT under investigation and never has been. The Russia probe shows that it's the Democrats who were colluding with Russia to influence the election. Accept the facts, Hill bots

VRPdommy · 02-04-2018, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

SO let me get this straight. You post an article telling you Hillary and the DNC where working with a former KGB agent (who ended up getting Arkancided) via Steele and you turn that story into Trump collusion?

You can twist that however you want. The investigative document was originally paid for by a individual on the RNC and latter picked up on by the Clinton campaign. When they did not act on it publicly, someone in the RNC did leak it. The author went into hiding fearing his life from the Russians.

You are not doing a service to anyone with that.

If there is any wrongdoing, by anyone, prosecute them.
I'm not sticking up for Clinton anymore than Trump.

I'm sticking up for the constitution and the rule of law. You 'should be' too.

onwebcam · 02-04-2018, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

You can twist that however you want. The investigative document was originally paid for by a individual on the RNC and latter picked up on by the Clinton campaign. When they did not act on it publicly, someone in the RNC did leak it. The author went into hiding fearing his life from the Russians.

You are not doing a service to anyone with that.

If there is any wrongdoing, by anyone, prosecute them.
I'm not sticking up for Clinton anymore than Trump.

I'm sticking up for the constitution and the rule of law. You 'should be' too.

I really get tired of repeating things that are already posted. But here you go again

"WASHINGTON (AP) ? In a story Feb. 2 about a Republican memo on the Russia investigation, The Associated Press erroneously reported that a former British spy?s work on an opposition research project was initially funded by the conservative Washington Free Beacon. Though the former spy, Christopher Steele, was hired by a firm that was initially funded by the Washington Free Beacon, he did not begin work on the project until after Democratic groups had begun funding it.

A corrected version of the story is below:"

https://apnews.com/63c883156e314b68b86209d3b63890f5

VRPdommy · 02-04-2018, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

I really get tired of repeating things that are already posted. But here you go again

"WASHINGTON (AP) ? In a story Feb. 2 about a Republican memo on the Russia investigation, The Associated Press erroneously reported that a former British spy?s work on an opposition research project was initially funded by the conservative Washington Free Beacon. Though the former spy, Christopher Steele, was hired by a firm that was initially funded by the Washington Free Beacon, he did not begin work on the project until after Democratic groups had begun funding it.

A corrected version of the story is below:"

https://apnews.com/63c883156e314b68b86209d3b63890f5

Ok... what does that change ?

BaldBastard · 02-04-2018, 09:30 AM

Interesting....Gowdy is the only Republican on the House committee investigating Russian meddling to actually see the entire FISA application, and his conclusions are dramatically different than Nunes.

Also, it was widely reported today (except on Fox) that the FISA application did acknowledge the Steele dossier was paid for by a "political entity". Not to mention that the memo shoots its own "poison tree" theory in the foot by acknowledging it was Papodopolous who triggered the start of the investigation much earlier by bragging the Russians had compromising emails on Clinton and would be releasing them to help Trump - just weeks before hacked DNC emails were leaked by Wikileaks. Oh and the small side note that several other Governments intelligence agencies were warning the USA to look into Russian interference.

At this stage anyone who's seen the original warrant and spoken is not concerned, yet those who have not seen it are up in arms over it.

onwebcam · 02-04-2018, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

Ok... what does that change ?

It changed your argument..

Rochard · 02-04-2018, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Is it a crime to get information from a foreign government on an opponent? What info and was it true? How many have been convicted in a court of law?

There is a huge difference between opposition research and a foreign government hacking the opposition political party and giving you information.

GPS Fusion is an american research company. There is nothing wrong or illegal about hiring it.

However, conspiring with a foreign power to have their intelligence agencies illegally hack your opponent, give you the information, and then post this information online is completely illegal.

As for the missing emails, Hillary Clinton did not order delete the emails herself nor did she order the emails to be deleted. If she did, it would be a crime. This is not the first time this has happened; Under the Bush administration millions of emails got deleted.

Rochard · 02-04-2018, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Since you are so keen on what Gowdy says, here is a bit more of his interview that you willfully ignored.. He says the memo has zero chance of killing the investigation...

Pressing the point, CBS News White House and senior foreign affairs correspondent Margaret Brennan asked: "The memo has no impact on the Russia probe?"

"Not to me, it doesn't ? and I was pretty integrally involved in the drafting of it," Gowdy, a former federal prosecutor, said. "There is a Russia investigation without a dossier. So to the extent the memo deals with the dossier and the FISA process, the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower. The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn't have anything to do with obstruction of justice. So there's going to be a Russia probe, even without a dossier."

He stright up says even if the dossier didn't exist, they would still be investigating Trump..

So sad you choose to inform yourself with only half the story.. But then again you are a Putinbot...

Suddenly 50 thousand Putinbots screamed out and were silenced...

The memo doesn't change or alter the investigation at all. That was never the intent of the memo. The memo was written and released only to change the way Americans view the investigation, to imply this was a political witch hunt.

Carter Page was under investigation long before Trump announced he was running for President. Even without the dossier there still would have been an investigation. If it wasn't due to Carter Page, it would have been because of George Papadopoulos and his actions in London.

There is still so much more we don't know. Why was Flynn having conversations with the Russian government, and what did they discuss? Sessions too. Sessions claims he met with the Russian government as part of his work on the Committee on Armed Services, yet NO ONE else from this committee ever met with anyone from the Russian government.

There is so much we do not know. There are other people - so called "coffee boys" like Carter Page and George Papadopoulos that we never heard of - that are a part of this that flip.

Rochard · 02-04-2018, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

The most interesting event in a timeline of events of this whole story that I was not aware of previously was this...

Dec. 26: Oleg Erovinkin, a former KGB official who was suspected assisting a former British spy in compiling a dossier alleging Trump ties to Russia, is found dead in the back seat of his car in Moscow.

Kinda makes the dossier have unverifiable elements at this point... but not 'fake'.

read the whole timeline...

https://www.politico.com/trump-russi...line-of-events

1st
We might assume a couple of things.
The current RNC charge is to 'free' Manafort and Papadopoulos.
They are the chief witnesses against Trump.
You must get evidence obtained against them thrown out.

2nd
If/when Mueller concludes, he is not likely to do more than drop all the intelligence on congress's lap. So it really is a matter of timing. Does it happen while it is controlled by the GOP or possibly when it is controlled by the DNC. So there is a sense of urgency by trump and RNC to make this go away very soon.
Or we are going to have a real fight trying to charge a sitting president. Much of that depends on the charges and if it affects the duty of the working president. most of which will likely be decided by the Supreme Court.

So it is more likely going to take public pressure to really get to the bottom of this.
That is if there is any backbone to know if and to what extent any foreign powers has influenced top officials of our government.

The dossier has lots of verifiable facts. Just because one source died doesn't mean they cannot verify what he said.

onwebcam · 02-04-2018, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

There is a huge difference between opposition research and a foreign government hacking the opposition political party and giving you information.

GPS Fusion is an american research company. There is nothing wrong or illegal about hiring it.

However, conspiring with a foreign power to have their intelligence agencies illegally hack your opponent, give you the information, and then post this information online is completely illegal.

As for the missing emails, Hillary Clinton did not order delete the emails herself nor did she order the emails to be deleted. If she did, it would be a crime. This is not the first time this has happened; Under the Bush administration millions of emails got deleted.

lol Fusion GPS's entire business is based on "character assassination" NOT "opposition research"

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Originally Posted by Rochard

The dossier has lots of verifiable facts. Just because one source died doesn't mean they cannot verify what he said.

lol... Do tell.. Show me this list of "verifiable facts"

Acepimp · 02-04-2018, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

There is a huge difference between opposition research and a foreign government hacking the opposition political party and giving you information.

GPS Fusion is an american research company. There is nothing wrong or illegal about hiring it.

However, conspiring with a foreign power to have their intelligence agencies illegally hack your opponent, give you the information, and then post this information online is completely illegal.

As for the missing emails, Hillary Clinton did not order delete the emails herself nor did she order the emails to be deleted. If she did, it would be a crime. This is not the first time this has happened; Under the Bush administration millions of emails got deleted.

WHAT??? ENTIRELY FALSE, ROCHARD. no one conspired with foreign intelligence to hack the goddamm DNC. It was a leak by Seth Rich, not a hack. The data was transferred at speeds much faster than the Internet could provide- it was a flash drive at the server, not a hack over the internet. This is indisputable.

And it IS illegal to have your wife at Fusion gps (Nellie Orr) feed bogus intel to the husband in the FBI in order to fraudulently obtain warrants by lying to the Fisa judge (who was appointed by obama.) This is a massive scandal, yet Rochard claims it's perfectly legal.

Rochard, you are a hopeless Obama fan boy Hillbot. It's both stunning and sad.

Robbie · 02-04-2018, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

Ok... what does that change ?

You said that Republicans funded "THE DOCUMENT".

No, they never did. They hired Fusion GPS during the primary to come up with opposition research. Trump won the primary.

THEN the Clinton campaign using DNC money hired Fusion GPS and paid out MILLIONS of dollars to hire Steele and create the "Document" (the dossier).

Trying to say that "Republicans originally did it" is just ignorant.

And it doesn't change the fact that a Democrat President and the DNC used the FBI and DOJ to spy on the opposition candidate in a Presidential election by paying RUSSIANS for fake info.

Watch what happens next. CNN isn't telling you this, and neither are MSNBC. But the FBI, DOJ and members of the Obama administration are all about to have an investigation done on them.

This is a case of trying to fix an election (just like they did the Democrat nomination by fucking over Sanders) and then trying to overthrow the duly elected President of The United States.

My belief is that "yes"...people are going to jail. Just not the ones that CNN and MSNBC and The Washington Post are trying to make you think are going to jail.

Acepimp · 02-04-2018, 10:00 AM

beerptrol · 02-04-2018, 10:16 AM

lol. Keep pushing your bullshit. The only ones who believe you are fellow chumpanzees and Russian trolls.

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02-03-2018, 07:22 PM	#202
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02-04-2018, 02:02 AM	#213
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02-04-2018, 07:15 AM	#218
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02-04-2018, 08:01 AM	#227
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02-04-2018, 08:06 AM	#229
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02-04-2018, 08:06 AM	#230
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02-04-2018, 08:09 AM	#232
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 74,449	Btw.. why would Bannon be direct target? It's because if you paid attention from the start, one of the big questions was how did the Russians know to target specific areas with postings. How? They got the data from Bannon or the Trump campaign.. Perhaps that's why Bannon turned on Trump because Trump used Bannons data and gave it to the Russians..

02-04-2018, 08:28 AM	#235
VRPdommy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 8,868	The most interesting event in a timeline of events of this whole story that I was not aware of previously was this... Dec. 26: Oleg Erovinkin, a former KGB official who was suspected assisting a former British spy in compiling a dossier alleging Trump ties to Russia, is found dead in the back seat of his car in Moscow. Kinda makes the dossier have unverifiable elements at this point... but not 'fake'. read the whole timeline... https://www.politico.com/trump-russi...line-of-events 1st We might assume a couple of things. The current RNC charge is to 'free' Manafort and Papadopoulos. They are the chief witnesses against Trump. You must get evidence obtained against them thrown out. 2nd If/when Mueller concludes, he is not likely to do more than drop all the intelligence on congress's lap. So it really is a matter of timing. Does it happen while it is controlled by the GOP or possibly when it is controlled by the DNC. So there is a sense of urgency by trump and RNC to make this go away very soon. Or we are going to have a real fight trying to charge a sitting president. Much of that depends on the charges and if it affects the duty of the working president. most of which will likely be decided by the Supreme Court. So it is more likely going to take public pressure to really get to the bottom of this. That is if there is any backbone to know if and to what extent any foreign powers has influenced top officials of our government.

02-04-2018, 09:10 AM	#237
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02-04-2018, 09:30 AM	#241
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02-04-2018, 10:00 AM	#249
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