Question for seo people - Embeds vs Stealing videos and uploading them to a server

[kurtov]

Which one is better for SEO?

There must be a correct choice of the two.

1. Embedding other peoples content on your site (which is what im doing)

2. Or straight up downloading that content and uploading it to your own server.

It seems that the adult industry has no problem taking other peoples content and uploading it to their own servers. The only measures ive seen to be effective at overcoming this has been watermarking videos or meticulously sending dmca's to content thiefs, OR becoming an affiliate. But only so much can get nabbed as theivery, while the rest of what was stolen will forever remain stolen and undetected. So, does that make it ok to steal videos in the adult industry, since it's causing the industry itself to adapt and grown as a whole?

Obviously the easy choice for content producer is "no, fuck off, dont steal our videos" but its happening, and its just going to keep happening and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

I prefer not to steal and rather aggregate the videos instead, and so the real question is "which method is honestly better for acquiring traffic?".

If i can acquire more SEO traffic by stealing videos vs embedding them and those who the videos are stolen from brand/ link the traffic properly, wont they also receive more traffic in the end and everyone wins?

I wonder about this. I wont steal videos, but i have this thought about the industry in general and am curious what others think. Could stealing videos be actually beneficial?

[brassmonkey]

you sir are full of it! worry about the content you own. is this a seo question or is it a whiny bitch talk about stolen content? if you are so fucking worried purchase content! problem solved!

[SpicyM]

is this a troll post? not sure

[kurtov]

Did either of you even read the question fully or did you simply base your responses on what your chose to interperet from the entire thing? I tried to remaian neutral and if i didnt i appologize for those feeble enough not to interperet that.

If you want to attack me and feel the urge to be a menance than go for it. It doesnt bother me. For those cabale of remaining logical the question still remains valid.

[topadult]

Both strategies work well bro!

[kurtov]

Originally Posted by topadult

Both strategies work well bro!

Would like to hear some elaboration on this. Populating a site by aggregating tubes vs stealing tube videos straight up. What is the difference in search engines eyes?

And for those who are getting pissed at me for posing this question, please remember that my only goal is to objectively observe this from a neutral stand point. Its an seo question although im sure there will still be angry folks barging their opinions in on how much they hate thievery! Welcome, come one come all.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by kurtov

Did either of you even read the question fully or did you simply base your responses on what your chose to interperet from the entire thing? I tried to remaian neutral and if i didnt i appologize for those feeble enough not to interperet that.

If you want to attack me and feel the urge to be a menance than go for it. It doesnt bother me. For those cabale of remaining logical the question still remains valid.

so you are asking gfy if you should be a criminal??
Question for seo people - Embeds vs Stealing videos and uploading
you can self host download videos. just keep a dcma form open. if you have no clue why even start a site? you sign up 2007 so you know wtf is up

[kurtov]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

so you are asking gfy if you should be a criminal??
Question for seo people - Embeds vs Stealing videos and uploading
you can self host download videos. just keep a dcma form open. if you have no clue why even start a site? you sign up 2007 so you know wtf is up

There are two easy ways to start a tube these days.

1= super easy
2= less super easy

Ive been doing 1, which i dont think the industry has any qualms with but correct me if im wrong.

1 - scrape tube videos and embed them on your tube site. No criminality there. The videos are hosted elsewhere and the webmaster is simply showing them.

2 - take those videos ( which were likely already stolen anyway) and host them yourself.

We could argue what is right and what is wrong and i would likely agree with the ultimate outcome of that argument. BUT that isnt the question i am posing.

Why? - because the whole industry does this already, does it not? Videos are downloaded anonymously and reuploaded with rewritten meta info and then rebranded. Is that a big industry secret?

Even if it is, im not saying im for either method one way or the other. Im askng what is the best method for seo, just for fun!

1 - Downloading already stolen content and renaming it and reuploading it
2- or embedding that very same stolen content from a theif

Which is better for seo?

[brassmonkey]

well it's a gamble some of those scraped videos are people just uploading sex. stay in those niches and less worry. if you have the money buy content and make the tube like vidz did. samples in from full in the back. go look at Vidz - Best Free porn videos good luck dogg

[kurtov]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

well it's a gamble some of those scraped videos are people just uploading sex. stay in those niches and less worry. if you have the money buy content and make the tube like vidz did. samples in from full in the back. go look at Vidz - Best Free porn videos good luck dogg

buying content is definitely the legitimate way to go and i agree with you but that wasn't a part of the two form question i posed. Which is better for SEO, stealing or aggregating?

I know its a hard question because obviously stealing is wrong, but everyone does it. The largest tubes that most people promote on do it.

I guess the real question is this: is it better to steal from a thief and rebrand or aggregate from a thief and let their videos redirect and brand from your platofrm?

Bonus question: Is someone a thief if they steal from a thief?

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by kurtov

buying content is definitely the legitimate way to go and i agree with you but that wasn't a part of the two form question i posed. Which is better for SEO, stealing or aggregating?

I know its a hard question because obviously stealing is wrong, but everyone does it. The largest tubes that most people promote on do it.

I guess the real question is this: is it better to steal from a thief and rebrand or aggregate from a thief and let their videos redirect and brand from your platofrm?

Bonus question: Is someone a thief if they steal from a thief?

i think you have some confusion lol! it is only stealing when you ignore take down request. that is up to you. i have seen huge sites both scraped and hosted. ok im done here... 4 real lol

[kurtov]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

i think you have some confusion lol! it is only stealing when you ignore take down request. that is up to you. i have seen huge sites both scraped and hosted. ok im done here... 4 real lol

Look dude im not trying to argue with you. And i know you are done here so i suppose this response will remain for any other readers...

So lets say xvideos steals 100 videos per day,what percentage of those stolen videos will recieve dmcas? A fraction obviously, not the whole amount.

So they take down the franction which is requested of them and still come out on top with free videos.

That is really beside the point though. My question is simply whether is is beneficial to steal from thieves or promote them with embeds.

If a dmca comes in then of course take it down. But i mean fuck, can we really ignore that the top players are the ones doing the stealing yet im being attacked for wondering if stealing from inevitable thieves is wrong or not?

Dont attack me, i simply asked a neutral question. Its an seo question, morality has nothing to do with it because we are already both in agreement on that matter

[brassmonkey]

give up!!! you are not worried about seo. why did i even play along with your bullshit? because i was eating ice cream sandwiches! now they are gone like i said before worry about your server not everyone else. they have nothing to do with yours. any public upload will have stolen content. good bye...

Originally Posted by kurtov

Look dude im not trying to argue with you. And i know you are done here so i suppose this response will remain for any other readers...

So lets say xvideos steals 100 videos per day,what percentage of those stolen videos will recieve dmcas? A fraction obviously, not the whole amount.

So they take down the franction which is requested of them and still come out on top with free videos.

That is really beside the point though. My question is simply whether is is beneficial to steal from thieves or promote them with embeds.

If a dmca comes in then of course take it down. But i mean fuck, can we really ignore that the top players are the ones doing the stealing yet im being attacked for wondering if stealing from inevitable thieves is wrong or not?

Dont attack me, i simply asked a neutral question. Its an seo question, morality has nothing to do with it because we are already both in agreement on that matter

[desmoines]

so starting afresh for OP

for SEO,

is it better for SEO to embed legal sponsor videos, changing titles and descriptions to new unique titles and descriptions

or

is it better for SEO to upload legal sponsor videos, changing titles and descriptions to new unique titles and descriptions?


or no difference


(my guess is no difference)



if you want to upload longer sponsored videos that are on the tubes but are not in webmaster areas, you can email the sponsor and ask permission if you can upload those videos to your site. sponsors upload sponsored longer videos on their channels on the large tubes that webmasters do not have access to, so you can ask if you can have those videos too.

and put their sponsor banners under their videos

.

[PornDiscounts-V]

SEO wise, both would work. It is about whether or not you offer a better option than your competitors do. Not about whether or not you embed or host.

[Klen]

From moral perspective - embedding is ok, since there is no control then over content, while you do have when you upload videos, so then it would be wrong. From seo perspective, hosted video is better as then you prevent user to leave your site, and goal is to keep users as long is possible on website in order to have maximum bounce ratio.

[topadult]

Here is an example of site that only uses embed videos from big tubes!

[wankawonk]

I can tell you from personal experience that tube aggregators are struggling these days. Mine got hit hard by google in march 2017, the iwank network got completely banned in late 2017, tubecorporate tried to start some aggregators (and gave them great links, from sites like txxx) and haven't seen much success. Nothing I've tried to improve SEO in the last year or two has done shit.

I would say you're better off stealing videos and uploading them to your own site.

From an SEO standpoint if you're aggregating videos, you're bleeding a lot of traffic off to the sites you're aggregating. Google has been going after affiliate-marketing focused sites, and an aggregator is just that--your goal is really to steal traffic from bigger tubes and sell it back to 'em. You're not providing much value over a tube, other than a view on multiple sites content, but most content is duplicated across the big tubes anyway.

Contrast that to hosting your own videos--people will stay on your site (their session won't include pornhub, etc), google won't see you sending tons of traffic to better sites than yours, and you can buy targeted traffic from aggregators which google will almost certainly like. If you're aggressive with popunders and ads you can even buy traffic at a profit, like tubecorporate. Aggregators really don't have that option.

[Bladewire]

The thieves behind the big tubes do underhanded things to unlist smaller tubes from the search engines, things like false DMCA's, false reports to Google etc. Then you have the legit DMCA companies working for their clients who's content you stole, or link to knowing it's stolen.

It's a hell of a lot of work to get any rankings with the tube nowadays and once you're on their radar you're dead in the water within a couple months.

Work really hard and let us know your progress we're here for you.

[brassmonkey]

why are you fucking lying? you mean yourself. a popular scraper site. they have like 20 of them. do not ask me who they are!

Originally Posted by wankawonk

I can tell you from personal experience that tube aggregators are struggling these days. Mine got hit hard by google in march 2017, the iwank network got completely banned in late 2017, tubecorporate tried to start some aggregators (and gave them great links, from sites like txxx) and haven't seen much success. Nothing I've tried to improve SEO in the last year or two has done shit.

I would say you're better off stealing videos and uploading them to your own site.

From an SEO standpoint if you're aggregating videos, you're bleeding a lot of traffic off to the sites you're aggregating. Google has been going after affiliate-marketing focused sites, and an aggregator is just that--your goal is really to steal traffic from bigger tubes and sell it back to 'em. You're not providing much value over a tube, other than a view on multiple sites content, but most content is duplicated across the big tubes anyway.

Contrast that to hosting your own videos--people will stay on your site (their session won't include pornhub, etc), google won't see you sending tons of traffic to better sites than yours, and you can buy targeted traffic from aggregators which google will almost certainly like. If you're aggressive with popunders and ads you can even buy traffic at a profit, like tubecorporate. Aggregators really don't have that option.

[wankawonk]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

why are you fucking lying? you mean yourself. a popular scraper site. they have like 20 of them. do not ask me who they are!

That's an adultwebmasternet site. They're the only ones still doing well. They've been around since like 2007 or 2008, they have 10 years of success on their side which has kept their sites ranking in google while everyone else has fallen off. Don't point to the one company still succeeding and call me a liar. Everyone else is struggling.

[SevY]

Don't get me wrong, no offense, no fight, but... your question sounds pretty meaningless.

Running a cloud with hundred thousands self hosted videos means a lot of tech knowledge, so an easy question like yours should be already in your pocket.

Embedding is the easy way alot of very popular sites use from ages, often overcoming many self-hosting tubes.

Have you ever got a look at alexa.com ? Alexa's top sites list shows it very clearly.

Anyway, to give a quick and easy rely to your question, it all depends on your business strategy.

From your question I assume you have little tech knowledge, however i can tell you:

- if you want to keep the traffic on-site you'd probably need to host the videos, but is your strategy optimized enough to invest thousand dollars per month for the infrastructure?

- if you only care about growing a domain for reselling it later or maybe you just want to publish ads and don't care about the traffic redemption the embedding option sounds way better.

So, the real question you should ask yourself is: what's my strategy?

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by wankawonk

That's an adultwebmasternet site. They're the only ones still doing well. They've been around since like 2007 or 2008, they have 10 years of success on their side which has kept their sites ranking in google while everyone else has fallen off. Don't point to the one company still succeeding and call me a liar. Everyone else is struggling.

so now you exclude them! there are more... since you babble i wont share anymore

[abshard]

You could do what I do and contact each sponsor and ask them for access to their member area and cut videos yourself. But obviously you will have to link back to the sponsor if you use their content.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by kurtov

Which one is better for SEO?

There must be a correct choice of the two.

1. Embedding other peoples content on your site (which is what im doing)

2. Or straight up downloading that content and uploading it to your own server.

It seems that the adult industry has no problem taking other peoples content and uploading it to their own servers. The only measures ive seen to be effective at overcoming this has been watermarking videos or meticulously sending dmca's to content thiefs, OR becoming an affiliate. But only so much can get nabbed as theivery, while the rest of what was stolen will forever remain stolen and undetected. So, does that make it ok to steal videos in the adult industry, since it's causing the industry itself to adapt and grown as a whole?

Obviously the easy choice for content producer is "no, fuck off, dont steal our videos" but its happening, and its just going to keep happening and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

I prefer not to steal and rather aggregate the videos instead, and so the real question is "which method is honestly better for acquiring traffic?".

If i can acquire more SEO traffic by stealing videos vs embedding them and those who the videos are stolen from brand/ link the traffic properly, wont they also receive more traffic in the end and everyone wins?

I wonder about this. I wont steal videos, but i have this thought about the industry in general and am curious what others think. Could stealing videos be actually beneficial?