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Old 11-13-2017, 04:39 AM   #1
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Will the UK leave the EU?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...MCNEWEML6619I2

Long way to go and it looks like MPs want a vote when the UK leaves. This guarantees a bad deal which the MPs can ignore the will of the people and do the undemocratic thing.

All because May called an election, fought a disastrous battle, allowed Corbyn to make promises he couldn't fulfil and could run the country with the SNP as partners. Which would have been a disaster.
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Representative democracy (also indirect democracy, representative republic or psephocracy) is a type of democracy founded on the principle of elected officials representing a group of people, as opposed to direct democracy.
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In the United Kingdom referenda have only been advisory, because the government says that the people elected to Parliament make the decisions. The referendum on the independence of Scotland was an exception. It was legally binding, but it was not a referendum of the UK electorate. It was restricted to present residents of Scotland.
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> undemocratic thing
But democracy was stolen by Putin
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Isn't the UK gone from the EU anyway?
Brexit and all that?
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Isn't the UK gone from the EU anyway?
Brexit and all that?
Not yet. That's what it's about the MP's are wanting to make a vote to overturn the will of the people. Typical UK.

Edit: I'm just going to add in that I voted remain. Difference is I'm one of the few that can accept what the public has said and hope it goes the way the people wanted.
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I am really not qualified to speak about Europe in general but.... I never understood why the UK was part of the EU. Although we've always considered England to be part of Europe, physically England and the UK is not part of Europe.

I think the EU in general is a good idea, but it has a few problems that still need to be worked out.
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I am really not qualified to speak about Europe in general but.... I never understood why the UK was part of the EU. Although we've always considered England to be part of Europe, physically England and the UK is not part of Europe.

I think the EU in general is a good idea, but it has a few problems that still need to be worked out.
Personally I think the free trade and movement would be better with other commonwealth countries.
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I am really not qualified to speak about Europe in general but.... I never understood why the UK was part of the EU. Although we've always considered England to be part of Europe, physically England and the UK is not part of Europe.

I think the EU in general is a good idea, but it has a few problems that still need to be worked out.
Because of the Prime Minister Tony Blair taking us into the EU without asking the people. He had repeatedly said the people would be asked. He lied.

France, Holland and Eire had referendums. They all voted no, France and Holland ignored the result and the politicians went ahead with joining. Eire was told to vote again until they got it right.

The Common Market had already created a free trade area, the EU is to make Europe one country like America. Whether the people want it or not. The politicians do.
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Personally I think the free trade and movement would be better with other commonwealth countries.
Free trade was already in place with the common market, the EU did nothing to change that. Freedom of movement is a disaster for the working class of the richer nations.
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Freedom of movement is a disaster for the working class of the richer nations.
Which is why I think it would be better with either commonwealth nations or "select" nations.
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Isn't the UK gone from the EU anyway?
Brexit and all that?
as I´d said from the start of the Brexit shenanigans, either, it takes about 2 years for the disaster to be completed & only then will Britain feel the pinch, not that the interest rates rising this week hasn´t began the hardship. However, Britain may still not leave the EU if the government over turn the decision, for the best of the country.

It´s not like the government wants to spend billions on a wall, waste money on holidays, they just want a great country, a Great Britain, this of course would be best as part of the EU
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i am in scotland right now, love it here - but the constant whining for the last decades is super annoying - make up your mind and then shut up forever
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I am really not qualified to speak about Europe in general but.... I never understood why the UK was part of the EU. Although we've always considered England to be part of Europe, physically England and the UK is not part of Europe.

I think the EU in general is a good idea, but it has a few problems that still need to be worked out.
other " islands " are also part of the EU:



But the EU should kick them out asap
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Finally! British goods will now be less competitive for export...but Paul will put a tax on imports and use his magic wand to make other countries not do the same...the UK middle class is now safe...Paul is moving his pension back to the UK as we speak!
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how does one live with so much hate every day?

why come to a porn webmaster message board and just post hate every single day?

you must truly have a super miserable life - i almost feel a little sad for you
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Not yet. That's what it's about the MP's are wanting to make a vote to overturn the will of the people. Typical UK..
Dont complain really. At least your country has enough class to: a) make EU referendum b) make Scottish referendum

Now lets take Spain, for example....
and most of other EU countries...
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RUSSIAN ! Did you fix the roads in Russia ?


Stop mumbling about issues in other countries ! no ACTIVE MEASURES on this forum !

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Dont complain really. At least your country has enough class to: a) make EU referendum b) make Scottish referendum

Now lets take Spain, for example....
and most of other EU countries...
"Other countries have it worse" isn't really much cop as an argument though is it?

"Poor Sally got raped on a night out"

"Well Suzie got raped and tortured"
Oh well we won't worry about sally then.
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how does one live with so much hate every day?

why come to a porn webmaster message board and just post hate every single day?
I have no idea, you're asking the wrong person. You should ask crockett.

By the way, please point out what is hateful in my posts? I described what the EU does. You just ignore and laugh it away. Which makes you ignorant. I didn't post anything hateful.

You should educate yourself about why the wars in the middle east started, and which role NATO and EU play, then ask yourself why the EU forces its members not to control their national borders. Not even when people are getting slaughtered left and right in European cities: Those national borders seem to be holy for the EU to keep them open no matter what, even at the expense of its own citizens. The EU is directly responsible for every terrorism victim in its member countries.

Yet you laugh at anyone who is pointing this out and is disagreeing with you, and calling them a nazi to shut them up. You should ask yourself who are really acting like the nazis here.
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"Other countries have it worse" isn't really much cop as an argument though is it?

"Poor Sally got raped on a night out"

"Well Suzie got raped and tortured"
Oh well we won't worry about sally then.
you have lots of things to complain about (ie: government surveillance, some retarded laws), but not referendum IMO. anyway, keep on the good work of improving your country that way or another
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Which is why I think it would be better with either commonwealth nations or "select" nations.
Migration should be determined by skills, wealth and whether the person will add something beneficial to the country. Decades of taking anyone has done nothing but increase the numbers of people who rely on the government in some way.
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as I´d said from the start of the Brexit shenanigans, either, it takes about 2 years for the disaster to be completed & only then will Britain feel the pinch, not that the interest rates rising this week hasn´t began the hardship. However, Britain may still not leave the EU if the government over turn the decision, for the best of the country.

It´s not like the government wants to spend billions on a wall, waste money on holidays, they just want a great country, a Great Britain, this of course would be best as part of the EU
Great Britain is wealthier in the EU. The people are poorer. There is so much proof of this I wonder why you don't know it.

How is Spain getting along with its debt?
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i am in scotland right now, love it here - but the constant whining for the last decades is super annoying - make up your mind and then shut up forever
We did, we voted out. The government should be allowed to negotiate a deal without constant niggling by those who want to remain.
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"Other countries have it worse" isn't really much cop as an argument though is it?

"Poor Sally got raped on a night out"

"Well Suzie got raped and tortured"
Oh well we won't worry about sally then.
Stop thinking in terms of countries. Start thinking in terms of people. Then you'll see what a failure the EU has been for the people.
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I have no idea, you're asking the wrong person. You should ask crockett.

By the way, please point out what is hateful in my posts? I described what the EU does. You just ignore and laugh it away. Which makes you ignorant. I didn't post anything hateful.

You should educate yourself about why the wars in the middle east started, and which role NATO and EU play, then ask yourself why the EU forces its members not to control their national borders. Not even when people are getting slaughtered left and right in European cities: Those national borders seem to be holy for the EU to keep them open no matter what, even at the expense of its own citizens. The EU is directly responsible for every terrorism victim in its member countries.

Yet you laugh at anyone who is pointing this out and is disagreeing with you, and calling them a nazi to shut them up. You should ask yourself who are really acting like the nazis here.
Stefan is German, he sees the success of the EU from a German POV.
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WTO not work. today time of sanctions
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you have lots of things to complain about (ie: government surveillance, some retarded laws), but not referendum IMO. anyway, keep on the good work of improving your country that way or another
I'm not against the referendum. I was on the side of wanting to stay when the vote came but now that the people have decided I think it should be put to bed and the government should just do what the people decided.

If I had any love or respect for the UK or worse yet Scotland I would try to work towards improving it one way or another. Unfortunately that isn't the case and the only thing I'm working for is to leave.

But I get your point.
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So who do you think gets a better deal for trading, the EU or the UK? Countries are lined up to get access to the he whole EU and the UK is someone they also want to talk to when they have time.
I think people must have a choice. EU it is not only about trading. It else about culture enrich and wars but without Britain, this plans will fail. I think EU will be divide UK after leaving like in Scotland referendums etc. It good strategic movement for UK, in tactical level be not so well but after all will be good in future
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I think people must have a choice. EU it is not only about trading. It else about culture enrich and wars but without Britain, this plans will fail. I think EU will be divide UK after leaving like in Scotland referendums etc. It good strategic movement for UK, in tactical level be not so well but after all will be good in future
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Old 11-14-2017, 09:20 AM   #42
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Fuck these retards. They are as anticommunist as I'm catholic

These frustrated retards dont even know "left" and "right" means...
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After hard work in Komsomol, I read only Russia Beyond ! RBTH !
another KGB owned newspaper ?

comrade, PLEASE !!!
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Fuck these retards. They are as anticommunist as I'm catholic

These frustrated retards dont even know "left" and "right" means...
they smart guys


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another KGB owned newspaper ?
comrade, PLEASE !!!
you like kremling trolls. they read only official Putins tv too)))
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How is Spain getting along with its debt?
I think it´s going well, although, those bloody Brits keep flying over here

Alicante´s up by 4% to just over 500k Brits last month

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meanwhile Trump only wants you to buy American...

Britain´s always traded with many countries, the difference is, it´s local trading´s going to cost a lot more for the British if they´re going solo
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Stefan is German, he sees the success of the EU from a German POV.
you live in CZ, which without the EU would look like the Ukraine or Georgia. I'd call that a success.

And despite all shortcomings, and there are plenty, the EU is still the biggest European success story since chasing out the Romans.
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"Excuse me. Of course I know that I have to go to them. I am here just to tell you officially that I disagree with that parrot."

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The EU is such a scam, I seriously hope the USA doesn't turn into the EU...yuck!
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Adam, considering its formation was only in the 50´s just 60 odd years ago, with many changes and other countries joining, it´s still new, no one can say such a union is a scam. The Eurofighter was formed & has created no problems unlike the new ship Britain has wasted money on & the new f35´s over heating problems. The EU looked after Britains countrysides, setting money every year to keep Britains countrysides in decent pathways & so much more that people do not realise
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Adam, considering its formation was only in the 50´s just 60 odd years ago, with many changes and other countries joining, it´s still new, no one can say such a union is a scam. The Eurofighter was formed & has created no problems unlike the new ship Britain has wasted money on & the new f35´s over heating problems. The EU looked after Britains countrysides, setting money every year to keep Britains countrysides in decent pathways & so much more that people do not realise
Okay, lets have fun with this.
Can you please provide Proof that the E.U. (Not the EEC) is 60 years old.
Can you please provide proof that the E.U. is NOT a scam.
Can you please provide proof that the Eurofighter has anything at all to do with the E.U.
Can you please provide proof that the E.U. paid for the countryside footpaths from money NOT given to the E.U. by Britain in the first place?
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