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Old 11-06-2017, 01:38 PM   #51
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What? Light arms are not effective in asymmetric warfare?

Maybe you cannot shoot a tank but you sure as hell can can hide waiting to ambush and shoot dead a soldier that leaves his tank to take a piss. Do revolutionaries and terrorists line up to fight an armored division? Of course not.

This is why the USA has lost every insurgent-type war since Korea.
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The us gov will have Autonomous fighting vehicles in 10 years in bulk ...a light weapon is no use against a terminator....
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In other words, because you and many others that have served have taken the oath, the constitution can never ever be updated, changed or optimized? Regardless of time, advances in civilization, society, etc.? Honest question and genuinely curious.

Of course it can. That's why there are multiple amendments to it. The problem is the politicians ignore it and write laws that defy it. If you want to amend it, then amend it and quit fucking around.

That said, amending the constitution will not stop what's happening. The Constitution is the law and as we've seen once or twice, CRIMINALS DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE LAW.

Focus on the real problem which is mental health.
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settle down... it's an amendment. It is by definition a change to the original due to circumstances rethought after. The discussion can be had about further change without yelling: traitor! In fact, any attempts at denial of such a discussion would in itself be unconstitutional.

I don't have a solution myself, and wouldn't pretend to being an outsider. But the discussion should always be there.

Show me where there has been any such discussion in Congress. Nobody there is seriously discussing amending the Constitution, they ignore and write illegal "laws" against it and THAT IS treason.
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Did you serve? I did.

And I've also forgotten more about firing all types of guns than most so-called conservatives will ever know. I even reloaded my own shotgun shells, 223 and 9mm...thousands of rounds.

I'm for common sense.

No, I didn't serve. Yet I take the Constitution seriously. Apparently you don't because "common sense" would tell anybody with a shred of "common sense" that gun laws do not prevent crime in the United States.
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Let me ask you a question. Did you serve in the military?

Rochard is one of the very few people left on this board that I actually respect. Rochard actually responds with intelligence, while most others revert to name-calling and just plain acting like cry babies. Even when the guy disagrees with you, he is still showing some level of respect by not just throwing his hands up in the air and simply saying you are just a dumb idiot.

I just don't remember him acting like that on this board ever. The fact that you would come on this board and say a military veteran is "retarded" just shows you have no respect for military veterans period. Just like Trump. You may think you do, but only in your fucked up little bubble world.

The only respect you have for is the "right" for crazy gun nuts to shoot up innocent people. Because, lets face it.... the anwser to all your problems doesn't come from the end of a gun (a belief you share with every mass murderer.)

Guns will not protect you from the government if they decide to come after you bro. If you honestly believe that, then you sir are fucking "retarded"

I believe in the Constitution. PERIOD. This isn't a "gun issue"to me, it's a Constitutional one.

I respect Veterans who respect the oath they took. If they don't respect that oath, fuck no I don't respect them.
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OK, looks like I've responded to everybody I intend to respond to. You kids have fun with your thread. I have multiple gun businesses to run.

Got a new dueling tree yesterday. Maybe I'll spend some time playing with that too.
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And trucks can be used as weapons of mass murder terrorism too. So what is the point?

Be on the ready, be aware and hope you can react to any situation that develops.

Terminators LOL; they can caught in a trench and topple ...
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Having read the posts. I think they answer the OP's question. No poll needed.
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Having read the posts. I think they answer the OP's question. No poll needed.
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Old 11-06-2017, 10:39 PM   #63
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The United States doesn't have a gun problem. We have a mental health problem and until we figure out a good way to deal with it the gun violence/mass shootings will not stop.
everywhere in the world has a mental health problem

99.9% of these shootings happen in the US
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everywhere in the world has a mental health problem

99.9% of these shootings happen in the US
Maybe the better way to say it is that the US has a dealing with mental health issues problem.

We need to come up with better ways to identify those who need help, get them help, and keep them away from guns.
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Mass Shootings.. Just The Unfortunate Price of Protecting People's Freedom To Commit Mass Shootings..

Only in the USA.

Whats painfully obvious in this and the Las Vegas shootings is all the warning signs were they before the event yet no one blinked an eye because the USA is so complacent with guns.
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I would very think that if it went to a National Referendum, most Americans would limit the amount, power, magazines sizes of weapons a private individual can own.

So best the NRA and the politicians get to make the rules.
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No, Americans aren't all retarded. Just 98-99% are. Including me.
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I believe in the Constitution. PERIOD. This isn't a "gun issue"to me, it's a Constitutional one.

I respect Veterans who respect the oath they took. If they don't respect that oath, fuck no I don't respect them.

The constitution has a "gun issue."

The bill of rights are amendments to the constitution by the way. From there, laws have been created to protect those values for everyone.

Men like Rochard have served to protect those values for "EVERYONE". Its the governments job to see that everyone gets a chance to live a life of liberty, and to pursue happiness. That includes peaceful protest.

If you want to keep your fucking muskets and hunting rifles, fine. Nobody is coming after those. EVER.

But you don't get fucking assault weapons, uzis, rocket launchers, grenades, tanks, fighter jets, bombs, etc. Who the fuck do you think you are interpreting the constitution the way you see fit? That's the job for the courts.

Again sir, you didn't answer me. Have you served?
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I have multiple gun businesses to run.
This says it all.
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The second amendment could be eroded away by another bill of rights and like president college you won't have a choice or know the actual agenda till it happens. If it never happens it is because even members of government feel civil war will break out the moment it is discussed. The theory behind the second amendment has been outdated by chemical, nuclear and mentioned autonomous modern warfare having armed civilians to protect a coastline is ineffective. The economy is based on war so there will be no peace soon which probably only enforces the feeling to own a weapon. Damned of they do and damned if they don't.
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ANY American who has served in the military and thinks ANY gun ban of ANY kind is OK hasn't taken their oath seriously. ANY American who wants to take guns away from other Americans is a traitor. PERIOD.

So yeah, some Americans, like Rochard for instance, are retarded. Why in the hell would you take an oath to serve your country then turn around and piss on the very Constitution you swore to protect?

Hang the traitors.
You want to hang people who think that allowing the insane to buy assault rifles should is a bad thing ?

Really ?

So the Vegas guy and another crazy shooting up a church full of people, that is not something you think that just maybe law makers should perhaps take a look at ?

You really want to hang people who say "perhaps we ought to look at this" ?

Does the constitution not allow people to go about their business without getting shot at ?

Retard.
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The second amendment could be eroded away by another bill of rights and like president college you won't have a choice or know the actual agenda till it happens. If it never happens it is because even members of government feel civil war will break out the moment it is discussed. The theory behind the second amendment has been outdated by chemical, nuclear and mentioned autonomous modern warfare having armed civilians to protect a coastline is ineffective. The economy is based on war so there will be no peace soon which probably only enforces the feeling to own a weapon. Damned of they do and damned if they don't.
There you have it. The sobering reality.
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I believe in the Constitution. PERIOD. This isn't a "gun issue"to me, it's a Constitutional one.

I respect Veterans who respect the oath they took. If they don't respect that oath, fuck no I don't respect them.
I think it could be easily argued, that by you owning several gun businesses, you are selling out America. That you are actually part of the problem. You are contributing to the deaths of fellow Americans through your selfish pursuit of cash. I think many people see you as a traitor. I have a strong feeling you don't give a fuck. So, why should anyone who disagrees with you give a fuck about you or the fact you call them a traitor?

You are sad example of someone, like Trump, who wouldn't hesitate to throw a veteran, dead or alive, under the bus for your own personal gain. You have already demonstrated that here.

Not to mention, your comments are probably also tied to some personal riff from several years ago I imagine.
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Of course it can. That's why there are multiple amendments to it. The problem is the politicians ignore it and write laws that defy it. If you want to amend it, then amend it and quit fucking around.

That said, amending the constitution will not stop what's happening. The Constitution is the law and as we've seen once or twice, CRIMINALS DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE LAW.

Focus on the real problem which is mental health.
If it?s a mental health issue then why does this simple not happen as much in other first world countries. All countries have people with mental issues. We just don?t allow them to buy fucking semi automatic weapons.
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It's just the hidden hand at work as usual, here's the timeline:-


Given that the first one in recent years, Sandy Hook, turned out to have actors involved (see below), and the Las Vegas one had multiple shoots according to witnesses, it appears it's all part of a Globalist 'Ban Guns' Problem > Reaction > Solution process


Hunger Games illustrates the dream Globalist end scenario i.e. they have weapons, you don't, they treat you like dirt and there's nothing you can do to fight back

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Hunger Games illustrates the dream Globalist end scenario i.e. they have weapons, you don't, they treat you like dirt and there's nothing you can do to fight back

Now what?

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Now what?

this is the end scenario IMO...

the poor will be "purged"...

whether you have weapons or not means little against autonomous fighting vehicles...a swarm of drones can take out millions easily...infra red sensors, a sniper rifle and a storage box for ammo on a drone = the end...

the technology is here TODAY....
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whether you have weapons or not means little against autonomous fighting vehicles....
too many SCI FI movies.

a deadly virus genetically modified to kill only people over 60 and black is also possible and even deadlier. or a plague. or a chemical attack. or a nuclear apocalypse.

And for drones there are various counter measures, like lasers, EMPs, lots of stuff.
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too many SCI FI movies.

a deadly virus genetically modified to kill only people over 60 and black is also possible and even deadlier. or a plague. or a chemical attack. or a nuclear apocalypse.

And for drones there are various counter measures, like lasers, EMPs, lots of stuff.
Yes, exactly. Viruses, chemicals, drones.

You can't tell gun nuts anything though, because they just can't think that far.
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too many SCI FI movies.

a deadly virus genetically modified to kill only people over 60 and black is also possible and even deadlier. or a plague. or a chemical attack. or a nuclear apocalypse.

And for drones there are various counter measures, like lasers, EMPs, lots of stuff.
The purge will come one way or the other...poor people will be a majority and democracy is a bitch in such situations...why feed the poor who's jobs you automated?
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It's just the hidden hand at work as usual, here's the timeline:-


Given that the first one in recent years, Sandy Hook, turned out to have actors involved (see below), and the Las Vegas one had multiple shoots according to witnesses, it appears it's all part of a Globalist 'Ban Guns' Problem > Reaction > Solution process


Hunger Games illustrates the dream Globalist end scenario i.e. they have weapons, you don't, they treat you like dirt and there's nothing you can do to fight back



Your grasp on reality weakens daily.

Sandy Hook did not turn out to have actors. You say it like it is an accepted fact when its just conspiracy nonsense.

Hunger Games is made up. Fiction to entertain people.

Reality and fiction are not the same thing.

Try and retain that. Perhaps write it down somewhere where you will see it regularly.

Lunatic.
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